The God of Homeland Security in Kentucky

Government has no place in the discussion about the existence, nature or will of "God". As long as religious fanatics insist on shoving it in the face of others, it's our responsibility to challenge their extremist politics. Just look to where governments have embraced religion to see what happens.

God is looking down at the Kentucky statehouse and mumbling, "Good Lord, what kind of fools did I create now? I ought to wipe them all out and start over again!"

Dang religious wackos should keep their stupid religions to themselves.

The Kentucky proposed law is incomprehensibly stupid, since there is absolutely zero plausible evidence that supernatural beings exist or ever have existed. Better to invoke the aid of the Tooth Fairy, for whom there is at least anecdotal evidence of existence. It is no wonder that Kentucky is in such low repute among those capable of thought.

So where was God during 9/11?

The legal challenge should succeed. This is textbook government establishment of religion.

Like the christian license plate in South Carolina, this was likely passed before the elections to appeal to that certain segment of society that has no idea what America is about, only God. This will be struck down and we probably won't hear about this type of thing again until the next election. Boy, talk about tying up the courts to protect the Constitution that these stupid KY lawmakers likely swore to defend but instead violated.

"Publicize the findings of the General Assembly stressing the dependence on
Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth by
including the provisions of KRS 39A.285(3) in its agency training and
educational materials. The executive director shall also be responsible for
prominently displaying a permanent plaque at the entrance to the state's
Emergency Operations Center stating the text of KRS 39A.285(3);"
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How can anyone claim (with a straight face) that this does not endorse a religious viewpoint?

I was pondering some clever quip or amusing point to make about Kentucky - involving banjo music and inbreeding - but realized any comments I could add would seem pale by comparison to the real thing.

The article stands alone as an example of absurd, comedic perfection and should not be tampered with.

Normally, I would try to come up with some kind of rational point to discuss, but this level of foolishness is beyond my meager talents...

It's all about money. More places you put the word
G-d, more seats will be filled in church and more donations given.

It could have been better if they ban EVOLUTION in school coz that is the real cause of terrorism. People are slowly behaving like REAL ANIMALS.

RE:"It could have been better if they ban EVOLUTION in school coz that is the real cause of terrorism."
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"It could have been better if they ban EVOLUTION in school coz that is the real cause of terrorism."

No further proof of total insanity do we need. Spidey, either get the F*** off here, or seek professional help. We tire of your madness.

In the Bible, the enemy of God is the BEAST or THE WILD ANIMAL. These people are wild beasts in the eyes of God. From humans, they turned themselves into BEASTS.

Scrap evolution or else God will scrap it Himself by way of Doomsday.

RE: "Scrap evolution or else God will scrap it Himself by way of Doomsday."
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Further evidence that we share 95% of our DNA with chimpanzees.

"Further evidence that we share 95% of our DNA with chimpanzees."

Tall buildings and bridges share 95% of building methods and materials. Bananas and humans share 70% of their DNA. What does it mean?

You guys are idiots thinking that bridges came from buildings or humans from bananas.

RE: "Bananas and humans share 70% of their DNA"
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That's absolutely false. Cite your source, or forever hold your piece.

source: New Scientist, 1 July 2000, pp4-5)

It's 50-65 percent depending on who you ask.

actually, he is right but the statement doesn't really give you the whole story of what it means. For that you need to go to some of the science websites to get a real explanation- it's not as outrageous as it sounds.

The really sad part of this is the majority of the lawmakers who allowed this to happen undoubtedly did so *knowing* that it violated church/state boundaries, and that eventually it will be struck down by the courts. What a waste...

The whole 'banana-human' genetic similarity certainly isn't the whole story. I quote from the Editor of New Science below:
"The 50 per cent figure for people and bananas roughly means that half of our genes have counterparts in bananas. For example, both of us have some kind of gene that codes for cell growth, though these aren't necessarily made up of the same DNA sequences.

"The figures quoted for human populations are much more specific and are about gene variants. In this study, what is meant is that 50 per cent of the genes of all the people in Europe, on average, are specific types that have come directly from Middle Eastern populations. So no, the people of Baghdad are not bananas, and neither are we."

Scientists have compared specific genetic sites for humans and chimps. Comparing genetic variants between the two (as opposed to, say, a gene that codes for growth, shared by many living but unrelated organisms, i.e. bananas & humans) and have estimated a 95% match, indicating close kinship.

So, yes, a banana has a gene that controls for development and maturation, and so does every other living thing; but that isn't the means of establishing kinship.

"but that isn't the means of establishing kinship. "

Idiots forever making their own rules for kinship. You can wait another million years and compare again the human DNA against monkeys and you'd still get 95% shared DNA. That's their design idiots and that would never change.

There was a line in the John Wayne movie "El Dorado" that seems appropriate here:

"Faith can move mountains but it doesn't beat a faster draw"

Isn't using the power of the state to re-enforce the notion of 'god' a demonstration of a lack of faith?

The plaque should be removed and the law relegated to a dead letter. For the rest, I have to say - as a secularist myself - that the atheists need to take a chill pill. This is nothing but the kind of silly-season thing that legislators introduce to ingratiate themselves with their base. Not being a Kentuckian, I don't know why it was introduced as a law (requiring expenditure for the plaque) rather than a non-binding legislative resolution. Things like this really should die in committee; they get passed along because (1) most people think they're harmless fluff, and (2) how far do you think a politician in a Bible-belt state will get if he votes against God? There's no evil Christian conspiracy here; it's just another example of People Not Thinking - not only not recognizing that there is a sizeable non-Christian population, but simply not realizing how ridiculous it makes them look in the eyes of the rest of the nation! Relax and let the comedians handle this one, folks; their barbs will do a lot more damage than a dubious lawsuit. After all, EVERYBODY's safety has been in the hands of fanatics, traitors and fools for the last 8 years and we're still here, aren't we?

In my three-score and 7 years upon this earth, I have lived in two states: Kentucky and Utah. Both of them seem to be sick with religion. Kentucky is sopping with a Bible Belt mentality as characterized by the Baptist minister alluded to in this piece. Utah is dominated by Mormons, or more properly, Latter Day Saints who believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet who restored the original doctrines and rituals of Christianity under the tutelage of God Himself and his Son Jesus Christ who appeared to him in a vision in the woods of upstate New York and directed him to a spot where lay hidden golden plates compiled by Mormon, a decendant of a Hebrew, Nephi, who migrated to this continent in 600 BC.

Mormons, Baptists and other religious sects who feel impelled to evangelize the rest of us are sometimes driven to do things like interfere with government, establish laws mandated certain beliefs on the rest of us and even interfreing with our electoral process by promoting ballot measures imposing their particular belief systems on everyone else. We all know what I am talking about here.

It was one thing when true believers were content to confine their prosyleting and haranguing us to their churches and public soapboxes. But now, they are no longer satisfied wioth simply trying to persuade us with evangelical efforts. Now, they seem intent on infiltrating our governmental systems and enfrocing their beliefs upon the rest of us rather than allowing us our free agencies.

Smiting is much more powerful than a laser guided missile. Everybody knows that. There are a few kinks to be worked out with command and control however.

it appears that Kentucky is ruled by morons ...

Again, Father Edward Schillebeeckx, the famous, contemporary theologian comes to our rescue:

from his book, Church: The Human Story of God,
Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

"Christians must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history."

"Nothing is determined in advance: in
nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

Therefore the historical future is not known even to God; otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

Spidermean, don't you think that if God has the ability or inclination to "scrap evolution" He would have done so by now. As for the "beast" or the "wild animal", if Hitler's bestial activity in WWII, if the present madness we see across the planet, including our infatuation with nuclear weaponry that could obliterate us all, isn't sufficient to prompt him to wipe us out, I don't know what is.

I see two possiblities: (1) There is no God or, (2) God exists but cares so little for his Creation that He is willing to tolerate all of this suffering.

One other point you might ponder spidermean--and others who have this fever of religious zeal. It has not been the beasts and wild animals that have wrought destruction on this planet. It is man. The beasts and wild animals have much more to fear from man than man does of them.

What else ca you expect from the most backwoods, hillbilly, ignorant folk in the union? I had family who worked at the U of K Univ. hospital. If you're into incest, go visit the Kentucky hillsides or hang out at the hospital for a day or two. You'll see stuff you never thought possible.

So this inbred, ignorant, hillbilly state doesn't think the USA can defeat terrorism without divine intervention - so they made it law that this be recognized?

Kentucky embarasses all Americans. And they don't need god's help to do that. Just the weak minded.

RE: "Idiots forever making their own rules for kinship. You can wait another million years and compare again the human DNA against monkeys and you'd still get 95% shared DNA. That's their design idiots and that would never change."
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The science of genetics makes the rules, people are left to interpret them. The only possible conclusion to such similar DNA sequences between humans and chimps is kinship.

I can't help that you don't like the conclusion, but that is where it leads. And, as such, in addition to the fossil record, it makes a practically open and shut case for evolution from a common primate ancestor.

Notice that I refrain from juvenile name-calling in my posts. Kindly do the same. I think all would appreciate it.

Um, Spidey, that would be devolution, not evolution. Pretty much by definition.

Hewitt1: I am a Kentuckian and have been slightly involved in building the Tower of Babble that this law has inspired. I ask the same question as to where god was on 911.
I was told that 911 was caused by god because the US was turning away from “him.”
Now we are dependent upon “him” to lead us against terrorist attacks. Only those with paranoia and ignorance can use such logic. Worshipping a schizophrenic, angry, vengeful and selfish god as that of the Judeo-Christian fashion can cause paranoia. In reality it is not incest that causes those Kentuckians to worship such a god, as has been very ungraciously suggested on the forum, but a history of having no respect for education. Most Kentucky schools would have no male students in the upper classes if it were not for football and basketball. Those are the things that the rest of our citizens worship.

Unfortunately, the thinking manifest in Rep Tiner's piece of legislation is not confined to the ignorants of Kentucky. If it was, the GOP would not have been so effective all these years. Their slogan should be: When you think GOP, think G-O-D. Or the so-called Christian churches may want to consider a motto: God is Right(wing). Tiner may be nominally a Democrat, but he is what one calls 'blue dog'. And they wonder why the rest of the world either laughs at us, or hates us. The Crusades, like the Civil War, aren't over for these people.

Oh no! The "G-word"! Heavens help the Republic!

The obvious weirdness of this inclusion in Kentucky law notwithstanding, I suppose my question would be: where's the accountability here? If Kentuckians are relying on God to protect them from terrorism et al, then what sort of proceeding would follow a successful attack, and would God be called to give testimony?

We've had enough "nobody saw it coming and nobody's to blame and please don't look behind the curtain or you're a communist" garbage, and we don't need laws that plainly lead to that sort of unreasonable crud [particularly if it erodes the image of a state that could use some real help already].

"God was added to the law by state Rep. Tom Riner, a Democrat and Southern Baptist minister. "This is recognition that government alone cannot guarantee the perfect safety of the people of Kentucky," Riner told the Lexington Herald-Leader last week. "Government itself, apart from God, cannot close the security gap. The job is too big for government."
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This is so dumb it's unbelievable.

@ enaughton27: Has anyone objected to the word, or is this a discussion of our understanding of what makes good, effective law in the United States?

I believe reductionist commentary ruins debate.

What a bunch of utter morons. Since when does "God" care about the safety of millions of people? People die every day with "God" "watching". Why would "God" give a damn about Kentucky, of all places? "God" hasn't stopped mountaintop mining...

The stupidity... the stupidity...

Isn't this the best illustration yet of why religion has no place in government. I wonder who will scream the loudest for help in the state of Kentucky should disaster ever hit there. Actually, they have no reason to complain or ask for help- after all, they abide by the statement that there are no guarantees. Let them ask G-d for food, medicine and shelter. Maybe it will drop like manna from the heavens and then they can say, "heck of job,Lord."

BADDABING1, while I agree that this does belong in the 'silly season' category, the unfortunate truth is that sometimes these things do not get relegated to the dust bin. The motto of the nation got changed to "In God We Trust" in a 19th century 'silly season,' did not get challenged, and now we have millions of people taking that as evidence that we live in a 'Christian nation', founded on Christian principles. Then, in another 'silly season' those same people passed another unconstitutional law mandating that everyone figuratively prostrate themselves before the Christian 'God' when they pledge allegiance to their country.

Never mind that Jesus was not elected democratically, nor did his disciples cast votes on their activities, and the ten commandments contain patently un-constitutional rules, and that the only mention of religion in the US Constitution is that the government should stay out of it.

And then they get upset when they hear that our form of government has more in common with Pagan Athens' democracy and Pagan Scandinavia's 'Althing' than anything in the Bible. Oh, calling the US a Pagan nation goes over *really* well ... never mind that it's accurate.

Non-Christians of all stripes have good reason to react strongly against every effort to Christianize the government. We seem to be losing ground every decade, in spite of some victories like the removal of prayer from schools. And now we have 'faith-based' initiatives to pay for with our taxes ... what's next?

Religiosity aside, frankly if there's an attack or some issue that requires the Kentucky Office of Homeland Security, and I see a plaque that says "safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God." I'm running away from there as fast as I can!
"There's a fire! Do something!" "OK, let me pray that the Almighty puts that fire out before someone get's hurt... but if someone does get hurt, rest assured it's God's will..."

Four centuries since the Pilgrims poisoned the continent with their wacko Calvinism and not an inch of progress.

If you want religion in your government, move to Iran.

"Isn't using the power of the state to re-enforce the notion of 'god' a demonstration of a lack of faith?"

Yes, exactly. Further evidence that the efforts of Christians to shove their god down everyone else's throats are motivated by their insecurities.

The belt buckle inscribed with Gott mit uns sure helped out Hitler's armies in WWII.

America should fear this type of activity and not wory about Islam. Christianity from within America will destroy America before any external force can destroy America. We are our own worst enemy!

And those that think GOD is looking down or otherwise at this situation. Prove It!

Patrick

Mr Waters, it appears that this is _not_ a very controversial topic. There is not a single argument on the pro side?

Please pick more interesting subject matter in the future.

Thanks.

Egad! You mean to say that if AMG were not around...we'd all be dead! Well, I'm supposing that it didn't work just right here in GODLESS NY on 9-11 despite having a Commander in Chief who does!!! Whatever does that mean to us???

I can't believe this idiot is a Dem.

BTW...'Got mit uns' was on German belt buckles in WWI...not Hitler's war. Didn't do so well there either.

Re: BEVJIMS1 "Like the christian license plate in South Carolina..."

Please don't equate a law requiring a plaque at a state office expressing belief in God to having the state allow affinity groups (religious or other) to request a vanity plate type for their affinity group. The first is a clear establishment clause violation. The second simply allows people to express their opinion on their license plate (custom theme and/or custom text), which in my view is a matter of free speech. As long as the state doesn't discriminate against one or the other group (e.g., allow Christian plates but disallow Muslim or atheist plates) then there should be no issue and no complaint from any group. It's absurd to suggest that allowing someone to chose a religious-theme plate implies state endorsement or sponsorship of that religion.

I'm an atheist and want the state out of the business of religion--100%. But I'm also 100% in favor of free speech.

The state-agency plaque, required by law, espousing reliance on God, is establishment. The law should be overturned and the plaque removed.

A custom license plate with a theme chosen by an affinity group and text chosen by a particular driver is free speech. If you don't like what they're expressing, get a plate theme and text expressing your (differing) opinion. The great marketplace of ideas will sort it all out.

I believe it gets worse... It appears that the Kentucky head of the department of homeland security has as his first duty to make people aware that Kentucky cannot be protected without God. The first duty on his job description...

Thanks, ScottChallenger and Enemyofthestate, for perpetuating the false generalization and stereotype that Kentuckians are the only citizens in the country who engage in crimes against nature to the tune of banjo music. Apparently, these kinds of activities happen only in Kentucky. Good job on furthering the intelligent discussion.

RE: "Thanks, ScottChallenger and Enemyofthestate, for perpetuating the false generalization and stereotype that Kentuckians are the only citizens in the country who engage in crimes against nature to the tune of banjo music. Apparently, these kinds of activities happen only in Kentucky. Good job on furthering the intelligent discussion."
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You are right, that was insensitive and did perpetuate a stereotype. Please accept my apology.

If security is in the hands of god then whats the point doing anything practical as its gods will.

Get rid of the police, army, homeland security etc, they are not needed, its in gods hands! Stop thinking, worrying, going to the doctor or taking any responsibility of your own, god will protect us!

Go the seppo Taliban! the middle ages are within your grasp!

??? The opposite is true: The safety and security of the Commonwealth cannot be achieved by relying on God.

Sounds like a loophole for govt incompetence, but apparently that's crediting Kentucky legislators with too much common sense.

Robert Frost quoted Emerson as saying:

"The God who made New Hampshire taunted the mighty land with little men."

It seems that Kentucky has now pulled ahead of New Hampshire in that regard.

I cannot speak for the entire state of New York, nor even for the city of New York, where I live, but I shall do so nonetheless.

I propose that New York City security be guided and protected by the Tooth Fairy, as according to my nephew, "he" is hard to spot since most people are asleep when he comes. The TF knows how to do surveillance. (Trust me. I have experience in these things.)

Well if the Israeli god can do real estate, I don't see why the Kentucky god can't do homeland security. Around here (Western Pennsylvania) we could use a god who can plow snow.

And then you've got the christian god who can do foreclosures and derivatives. What do we need him for again?

Whoops! Left out a few things. Said christian god can also bomb Afghanistan leaving limbs hands feet all over the cities and rural areas, destroy Iraq to get its oil, plunder everybody else with "outsourcing." Mebbe Foreclosure Phil Gramm or born again Poulson, billionaire secretary of the treasury who made his fortune on the recent mortgage disaster or born again murderer moron George Bush could put in a word for us with the christian god unless said god is soaking in stolen oil at the moment.

IMHO, we're better off with the Tooth Fairy, as Kevin, my nephew will swear to.

Well then, the Kentuckians don't need any guns for protection anymore, god will take care of it! Turn 'em in boys and girls; you shouldn't be playing around with adult tools anyway.

Say anything you want but Kentucky would remain one of the safest place on earth and America, especially comes Doomsday.

Enjoy the stupidity as long as it last. But based on my interpretation of the Bible, it won't last very long. Putin's Russia, Chavez, China, Iran and a lot more are just waiting for the right time to banner their "godless homeland security" for the world.

Enemyofthestate, one "scientific" study says that "Dogs may be man's best friend but rats are closer relatives, according to a new study that compares stretches of DNA for 13 different animals -- including human beings. "

Can't you see what stupidity you guys are into? Something is teribly wrong with the way you guys establish kinship. A common screw used to build a house and a car DOES NOT make them "kins".

SCRAP THE ORIGIN OF TERRORISM WHICH IS EVOLUTION. Terrorism is a result of STUPIDITY and EVOLUTION makes people stupid. VERY STUPID.

I'd take my two furry little feline beasts for company over SpiderMEAN any day!

As for Kentucky... what can I say that hasn't already been said? Spidey, why don't you move there, since you seem to like theocracies?

Green, who is one of the researchers of that Genome Project stated, "We have the sequence of the human genome and HOW we need to FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS,"

If these people don't know how DNA works, how then do they know that monkeys and humans are relatives? Can a person categorically state that a mutation is possible despite the fact that he is TOTALLY ignorant of how DNA mutations work?

Stupidity is what makes monkeys and evolutionists related to each other.

Spidermean:
So far on the in on faith blog you have said some pretty out there s#%t such as you know the future, you know when the next war will be, scientists are stupid cause they can't find a cure to aids but u as an engineer with no scientific training seemed to suggest u could (and could u hury up on that one, there are millions of christians with aids that are waiting for your help) but you havent answered several questions.

1) when will the world end, give us a date, be specific, u said u know it, when?

2) What is the next war and when? Again a date please.
(Please note that a war is still a war even if America is not involved. U last suggested Iran but maybe somewhere in Africa might be a better guess).

3) What is your evidence that the story of Genesis is true and that the world is only several thousand years old?
What say you to carbon dating etc as proof that the earth is millions/billions of years old?

Even if genesis is proven to be incorrect that doesnt prove that god doesnt exist right? So why argue with basic proven facts?

Athena wrote "I'd take my two furry little feline beasts for company over SpiderMEAN any day!"

The time will come when your two furry little feline beasts can't accompany you to the next life. Animals are mortal while humans don't die. They just shed off the body and then live like gods. Either they forever become as frying gods or living side by side with the Owner or Head of that other life, which you guys despise.

What a terrible future you guys have and I feel sorry for you. Your only chance of escaping His wrath is to avoid death, which is impossible.

spidey- I can see the sun. I can feel its effects. I don't know how it works (yet) but work it does. Really- you should take that suggestion and move to Kentucky- it sounds like a place right up your alley. I'd love to hear your explanation as to why evolution is the origin of terrorism.

Tooth fairy is good but what about the frog prince? He can catch flies with his tongue. Easter bunny? He's got eggs. Maybe I'll just stick with my cats, like Athena. Where else can you find a deity (remember the Ancient Egyptians) who can lick its own butt with one leg stuck up behind its ear? It's a talent.

Actually spidey I think the furry feline beasts have a better shot at heaven than you do. Sorry- we'll get you a litter box.

chops2 wrote "1) when will the world end, give us a date, be specific, u said u know it, when?"

I can't give a date but it won't end within a thousand years.

"2) What is the next war and when? Again a date please."

There will be a series of wars and America will always be a part of it. I think the first one would be with Iran.

"3) What is your evidence that the story of Genesis is true and that the world is only several thousand years old? "

The story of Genesis is a mixture of methaphors, personifications and literal statements. You have to figure out how to balance them to understant it. It didn't mention about the age of the universe but the SEQUENCE of how it was made.

Sparrow wrote "I can see the sun. I can feel its effects. I don't know how it works (yet) but work it does."

I know how it works. It functions quite similar with your fireplace at home. The only difference is that it's too big. God computed just the right distance so you guys won't burn.

Also, as I've said, animals don't live forever unlike humans. It's a very long shot that cats can make it to heaven. Evolution has muddled your brain and that what makes evolution DANGEROUS. It makes a person stupid and therefore dangerous. You don't leave stupid pupil with a match, would you?

Er, spidey- the sun is not an oversize yule log. It hardly works "similarly to your fireplace at home." That much I do know. I bet you think the moon is made of green cheese too.

actually spidey, evolution doesn't make a person stupid. It's not evolving that makes them stupid- you know, like you. You're probably about 2 million years behind most of us but don't despair. Your little friends, the parameciums and amoebas will help you.

Again, "Nothing is determined in advance: in
nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

Therefore the historical future is not known even to God; otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

E.S. '92

The Sun is a giant nuclear fusion reactor - see here:
http://www.howstuffworks.com/sun.htm

It goes on for several pages.

What you know about evolution, Spidey, is just about as much as you know about how the Sun works. Like your fireplace, indeed!

Heck, this is easy. If God is responsible for protecting Kentucky, why are we sending them a single penny of Federal taxpayer dollars for homeland security? Test their faith; cut them off from the Federal trough. Why should athiests pay taxes to be sent to Kentucky, when Kentucky thinks God is on the job?

spidermean2 wrote :
"I know how it (the sun) works. It functions quite similar with your fireplace at home. The only difference is that it's too big. God computed just the right distance so you guys won't burn."

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously here (or anywhere). A burning log operates on the principles of combustion. The sun operates on the principles of nuclear fusion. But I'm sure these two are equivalent in your book. Perhaps you might want to crack a science book once in awhile. After all, you are an engineer, right?

The KY law provides a sad reminder that the yahoos are always with us. To think that this level of pure Dark Ages mentality is alive and well in the United States in the 21st Century. Kentuckians, remember, are the same people who voted in November to return to the U.S. Senate one of the worst of the George Bush/Dick Cheney clones, Mitch McConnell. McConnell (R-KY), as Senate Republican leader, is one of the principal GOP architects of the economic and financial disaster we now face. Out-of-control spending and earmarks, the abandonment of any semblance of Republican claims to be the party of fiscal responsibility and small government, the rape of the environment to increase the profits of the same corporate crooks who brought you economic catastrophe, chip-on-the-shoulder posturing as a substitute for foreign policy, the destruction of America's international prestige, the trampling underfoot of the Bill of Rights--Mitch McConnell (R-KY) proudly marched in George Bush's army as it accomplished all the above. And Senator McConnell (R-KY) proclaims that he intends to continue to support Bush's platform, the American peoples' repudiation of Bush notwithstanding. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), you recall, is one of Sarah Palin's swooning fans.

While most Americans and the world were rejoicing at the election of the first African-American president, the yahoos like those that support Rev. Riner and Senator McConnell (R-KY) were out buying guns by the carload lots at the prospect of a black man becoming president of the United States. Those Kentucky yahoos are also led by the likes of the U.S. Republican Representative who proclaimed that Obama is already on his way to establishing a Nazi-like police state in America.

The Republican Congressional caucus will be George Bush and Dick Cheney's revenge on the American people. Congressional Republicans at best represent one wing of whatever is left of the dead Republican Party. Nothing good ever comes from the rump of a dead carcass.

spidermean2 :
Green, who is one of the researchers of that Genome Project stated, "We have the sequence of the human genome and HOW we need to FIGURE OUT HOW IT WORKS,"

If these people don't know how DNA works, how then do they know that monkeys and humans are relatives? Can a person categorically state that a mutation is possible despite the fact that he is TOTALLY ignorant of how DNA mutations work?
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Another example of a quote taken out of context. Here is the more complete quote:

"We have the sequence of the human genome and how we need to figure out how it works," Green said. What we need now, he said, is a "parts list" -- an inventory of the useful parts of the genetic code.

The problem is that most of the three-billion-letter code carried by human DNA -- the human genome -- appears to be made of "junk," filler that doesn't perform any important function, he said. Only 1.5 percent of the whole genome is made up of actual genes -- stretches of DNA holding a recipe for making some kind of biological substance.
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They know "how DNA works" as far as it's basic mechanisms are concerned. They were referring to the high percentage of junk DNA when stating they need to know "how it works".

And this is actually a good question for you. Why would a designer give us such a high percentage of junk DNA? Seems like a waste to me? Why would anyone "intelligent" do this?

Spidermean: Your god causes most of humanity - even kind, decent people, if they don't happen to believe your particular religious dogmas - to fry forever in horrible tortures, and allows a few, people like you who fawn on him and praise him, to live in permanent bliss, not caring about your sisters and brothers being horribly tortured below. Do you realize what that says about the morality of both you and your god?

Oh, but why should you have any compassion or respect for anyone who doesn't hold to your religious dogma? It isn't as if the rest of us are human or anything. (And that separation of the world of people into "people who think/act/look just as I do" and "non-people" is precisely what is behind genocides, Inquisitions, and horrible acts of terrorism and murder. Imitations of your god, no doubt, who doesn't mind leaving most of his children writhing in horrible pain forever and ever without rest or respits because they believed the "wrong" things, but immoral and horrid nonetheless.)

davidmckittrick wrote: "Please don't equate a law requiring a plaque at a state office expressing belief in God to having the state allow affinity groups (religious or other) to request a vanity plate type for their affinity group. The first is a clear establishment clause violation. The second simply allows people to express their opinion on their license plate (custom theme and/or custom text), which in my view is a matter of free speech."

That would be true if an affinity group had requested the "I believe" SC plates that have a cross on them. But that is not how the plates came to be. Plates in SC can be requested by affinity groups or by legislation. The "I believe" plates came about through legislation, a law, and that is what makes it unconstitutional. No church group or other affinity group requested the plates through the normal request process. They came about through legislation and their design, including the cross, was done by the state. That is clearly respecting the establishment of religion, which is unconstitutional. I agree that affinity license plates of all sorts are free speech and if that were the origin of the plate I would completely agree with your point, but when you see how these plates were legislated, created by law, the constitutionality of the legislation creating the plates is questionable.

But my point was that in both of these cases the likely reasons for the laws was to garner votes among the brainless faithful. I think that in both cases those who proposed and voted for these unconstitutional laws knew they were unconstitutional and that the courts would strike them down, after the election. But at that point the laws would have done their job of getting the brainless vote and putting those who voted against the clearly unconstitutional laws in a bad light before the election. In other words, this has nothing to do with God or belief and everything to do with getting elected.

And Spidermean, the root of terrorism is evolution? Then why are the terrorists 99% religious fanatics, acting on behalf of what they believe God wants? I have yet to see an evolutionary biologist engage in an act of terrorism because "Darwin will grant me healthy descendants if I kill the infidel!"

Jesus, this gets old. Whose "Almighty God" is Kentucky talking about? Is it the punitive, incompassionate God of Spidermean's bad Book of Revelations LSD trip?

Maybe Huckabee's right. We need a Constitutional Amendment to define exactly what the political neochristian God is so we all know the type of police-state theocracy we will soon be living under.

coloradodog:

Maybe Huckabee's right. We need a Constitutional Amendment to define exactly what the political neochristian God is so we all know the type of police-state theocracy we will soon be living under.

Awww. You know who He is...The one who says believe in me and no matter what you've done, you're saved.
Dont' believe in me and no matter what good you've done you're damned.

Yunno, the christians' god. The one that says my way or the highway, and has said it all over the world to every nonchristian. Didn't yuh notice?

This is getting tiresome. Why does all this drivel seem to emminate from these six or seven southern states? I'm sick of the South and am glad Obama was able to win without them. I am also glad neither the next President or Vice President if from the South. If the South continues to marginalize itselve from the rest of this great country I can see we shall once again be sending in federal troops to quell their insanity.

Again for those who do believe in God/Allah/Zeus/Singularity/Trinity/Mother Nature/Father Nature or whomever:

"Nothing is determined in advance: in
nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

Therefore the historical future is not known even to God (or whomever); otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God (or whomever) holds the strings. For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

E.S. '93

ebleas wrote " And you wonder why no one takes you seriously here (or anywhere). A burning log operates on the principles of combustion. The sun operates on the principles of nuclear fusion."

You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible. What I mean is that both acts on the principle of HEAT TRANSFER. The fireplace is a burning little place while the sun is a very BIG ball of fire. If you can miniaturize the sun and fit it into a fireplace, it will serve the same function.

Catken1 said:

****I have yet to see an evolutionary biologist engage in an act of terrorism because "Darwin will grant me healthy descendants if I kill the infidel!"****

This is hysterical, and I'm posting it on the wall of my office, right next to the "evolutionists flock to Darwin-shaped water stain" article from the Onion.

Spidermean2 said:
****SCRAP THE ORIGIN OF TERRORISM WHICH IS EVOLUTION. Terrorism is a result of STUPIDITY and EVOLUTION makes people stupid. VERY STUPID.****

So in fact, you seem to believe that evolution actually works - after all, if evolution, and not god, is what makes people stupid, then you're an evolutionist after all. And, as a result of your moronic syllogism, a terrorist. And let's not forget stupid. So very, very stupid.

ebleas wrote "Why would a designer give us such a high percentage of junk DNA? "

Who says that it is junk? How can a person say that a thing is junk when he doesn't know how it works? Evolutionists are truly an idiot bunch.

RE:"You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible."
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Whether it's between the lines or not, the bible is nonsense; whether its the King James version or a Tagalog translation.

spidermean2 wrote: "You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible."

Why would God hide His words from us? Why would God make it difficult for us to understand what he wants? Why would God write a book only an engineer could understand? Why would God require people like you to interpret the bible for the rest of us? Does God have trouble speaking? Does he have a problem explaining Himself? Is He so incapable of getting His word to us that he needs help from engineers?

Spidermean2 said:
****You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible. What I mean is that both acts on the principle of HEAT TRANSFER.****

So, not a fundamentalist after all then, Spidey? What would your religious brethren say about you making up rules based on "your interpretation?" Isn't the most basic argument of religious wingnuts like yourself that the bible is literally true? So where do you get off making interpretations and passing them off as Gods law? I think your shriveled little soul may be in more danger than that of anybody else here. After all, we aren't passing ourselves off as the adjudicators of god's will. Your lack of humility before god is stunning.

****The fireplace is a burning little place while the sun is a very BIG ball of fire. If you can miniaturize the sun and fit it into a fireplace, it will serve the same function.****

Spidermean, this may actually be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Which is really remarkable, if you consider some of the other things you've said.

I'm glad I don't live in KY.

Catken1 wrote "not caring about your sisters and brothers being horribly tortured below. Do you realize what that says about the morality of both you and your god? "

The fact that a God would allow himself to be crucified on the cross just to save humanity means something. It means he loves the world. But the world is just too stupid to understand the message and continue in their sins.

spidermean2 wrote:
****The fact that a God would allow himself to be crucified on the cross just to save humanity means something. It means he loves the world. But the world is just too stupid to understand the message and continue in their sins.****

So by sins, you mean things like arrogance, pride, hatred, and bigotry? He may love the world, but I doubt he has much love for you and your ilk, spidermean.

Catken1 wrote "I have yet to see an evolutionary biologist engage in an act of terrorism because "Darwin will grant me healthy descendants if I kill the infidel!" "

Don't speak too soon. Evolutionists are smooth operators. Nuclear-armed Russia, China, and *?&^%% are all evolutionists and they're not done with their job yet. These people think they are the "FITTEST" or believe they should be the fittest to survive.

Since God could not save people from pestilence ,hunger ,floods and tsunami, earthquake ,hurricane and other natural disaster what make you think he can save us from terrorists?

I'm speechless.

G-d as security stragetist for the state of Kentucky?

This is absurd.

The exploitation of G-d by the state of Kentucky in this manner cheapens all of our beliefs.

Truly absurd . . .

bevjims1 wrote " Why would God hide His words from us?"

Actually, he does not. If you ask ernestly, He will show it to you. Otherwise, it becomes like searching for a needle in a haystack.

It is also necessary that it should be written in a way that it could be understood from different perspective of time.

That's the genius of that book.

Memo from the Island of Misfit Toys: Go Kentucky! We just picked you up in our fantasy league.

We seek the weakest mind, the stupidest act, the blindly devoted, the loud-mouthed ignorant, and of course the best of all Spiderman impersonaters.

Welcome all.

So spidermean, you do recognize that your buddy Jesus spent most of his time talking about tolerance, love of others, and understanding, right? Where, exactly, in your interpretation of the bible does this fit? You don't seem particularly interested in any of these. Or do you only read Revelations, and consider the rest of the bible a preamble to that hallucinogenic nightmare foisted on the world by John of Patmos?

gaijinsamurai wrote "Jesus spent most of his time talking about tolerance, love of others, and understanding, right? Where, exactly, in your interpretation of the bible does this fit?"

Read and understand this :

"Look at how KIND and how SEVERE God can be. He is severe to those who fell (SIN), but kind to you if you continue to hold on to his kindness. Otherwise, you, too, will be cut off." (Romans 11:22)

Don't forget to choose the kindness of God and not His severity.

Teaching others what is the right path is a ACT of love, isn't it?

c ya later guys.

spidermean2 wrote: "bevjims1 wrote " Why would God hide His words from us?"
"Actually, he does not. If you ask ernestly, He will show it to you. Otherwise, it becomes like searching for a needle in a haystack. It is also necessary that it should be written in a way that it could be understood from different perspective of time. That's the genius of that book."

Then, once again, please explain Mark 13:30 as it relates to what God meant by "Truly I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done" when telling the apostles about the apocalypse and the coming of the kingdom of God. You have said you read that as being today's generation, 2000 years after "this generation" died.

From what I can plainly read you are taking God's word and changing it. I forget what ring in hell is reserved for people that change God's words, but its one of the smaller ones.

Gaijinsamurai,

"So spidermean, you do recognize that your buddy Jesus spent most of his time talking about tolerance, love of others, and understanding, right? Where, exactly, in your interpretation of the bible does this fit? You don't seem particularly interested in any of these. Or do you only read Revelations, and consider the rest of the bible a preamble to that hallucinogenic nightmare foisted on the world by John of Patmos?"

Nice description of our resident sick comedian, Spidey. I, and others, have asked the same questions of him many times - no answer. He never answers a question directly, usually responding with an attack and an attempted change of subject. Further, he claims to be an engineer, but won't say what kind or what he does with it - in other words, he is lying.

Read the Gospels in the New Testament and you will see that Jesus in different ways pointed out that faith in God never provides anyone with safety. When the disciples asked who sinned after a wall fell and killed some people Jesus said in effect bad and good things happen to everyone. And Jesus said there would always be wars and rumors of wars. Look at all the unfortunate folks who have lost their homes because they listened to some prosperity preacher and went out to purchase what they couldn't afford. If God operated that way we would all be Jewish now.

Spiderman, please don't go! Don't leave the discussion. When I am having a bad day at work I go to the On Faith section and look for your postings. Reading your absolutely insane posts really cheers me up. Not because I believe in them, but because it amuses me when you attempt to have an intelligent discussion with someone else. They make valid points that are supported by facts while you make outrageous claims and then give bible quotes, which is no different than me quoting lines from Dr. Seuss. I too believe that the alphabet goes on beyond zebra.
Please keep up your hilarious sermons. Your lunacy brightens my day out of sheer pity because I thank your vengeful god that he did not make everyone as ignorant and hateful as you.

David Waters writes, "American Atheists Inc. and 10 brave Kentucky residents have decided to object."

---> Brave? Try greedy. You don't get the honor of being called "brave" when you sue for damages over ANXIETY. Give me a break.

While I think that what Kentucky is doing is ridiculous, I completely agree with you, Globalone. If these ten brave people's taxes are going towards God's protection then I have a problem with it. But if they are suing because of anxiety, then they are definitely greedy and should be ashamed of wasting more taxpayer money. Pathetic.

Arminius wrote:
****Further, he claims to be an engineer, but won't say what kind or what he does with it - in other words, he is lying.****

He could be a sanitation engineer - that would explain his outlook on religion and the world. A lifetime spent sifting through other people's garbage could definitely explain the kind of angry, hateful rhetoric he loves so much.

Honestly, though, I can believe he might be an engineer - personally, I'm an engineer and a scientist (a degree in each area) and I ran across plenty of aggressive bible-thumping rednecks in my engineering graduate program.

Spidermean wrote:
****The fireplace is a burning little place while the sun is a very BIG ball of fire. If you can miniaturize the sun and fit it into a fireplace, it will serve the same function.****

gaijinsamurai replied:
Spidermean, this may actually be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Which is really remarkable, if you consider some of the other things you've said.
*************

My only guess is the WAP pays this guy / gal(Spidermean) to provide us some comic relief. There is just no other plausible explanation.

I have a mental picture of Spiderman and he looks almost exactly like Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. And there is nothing in his little shack that he lives in except hundreds of copies of the King James Bible. No furniture, just bibles everywhere and highlighters so he can take notes for when he goes to the local library to use the computer and antagonize the kind people at WaPo.com

"You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible. What I mean is that both acts on the principle of HEAT TRANSFER. The fireplace is a burning little place while the sun is a very BIG ball of fire. If you can miniaturize the sun and fit it into a fireplace, it will serve the same function"........mmmpfh......mmmpfh......uck....hick....hick....MWAAAAHHHH ha ha ha ha ha ha....gasp....gasp.....ha ha ha ha ha ha.....omigod!!!!! I just coffee sprayed a perfectly good computer screen and keyboard.

And he's worried about evolutionists? I don't think he even realizes they are scientists, not politicians (oooohhhh- they're taking over the world..)

By the way, globalone and axglod- their tax money is being used to support this nonsense and at least they have the guts to put their money where their mouths are and fight for the constitution.I think that makes them great Americans.

axglod- you forgot about the bags of cheetos and cans of soda that litter his floor.

spidermean2 wrote:

You guys are incapable of reading between the lines that is why you can't understand the Bible. What I mean is that both acts on the principle of HEAT TRANSFER. The fireplace is a burning little place while the sun is a very BIG ball of fire. If you can miniaturize the sun and fit it into a fireplace, it will serve the same function.
*****

Your analogy fails on many levels. Although they are both examples of heat transfer, the mechanism of transfer is radically different. Burning logs will transfer heat based mainly on conduction and convection, whereas the sun will transfer mainly on radiation. Your idea and logic fragment even further with the idea of miniaturizing the sun. The sun requires a certain mass to produce the tremendous pressure to produce the heat that can sustain the nuclear fusion reaction. So making it small will cause it to burn out real fast.

I am not saying that the "10 brave Kentucky residents" are bad people because of their actions. It all depends on their motivations. If I was living in Kentucky and even one cent of my taxes were going towards this joke, there would be 11 brave Kentucky residents objecting.

But in fact their taxes support the atate governement so indeed your taxes would be paying for the plaque and the idiot law and the resulting lousy emergency services. (I mean if G-d is your first responder, why send anyone else)? He basically told them they can expect nothing in case of disaster unless they beleive in G-d. You have to wonder where the insanity stops.

The other question is what kind of lawsuit is this? I'm assuming their lawyer has told them the monetary damages is really a political ploy for attention. I hardly think they assume- or anyone else does- that they will really get money out of it.

I have no inside information but I believe that the addition of monetary damages is not an act of greed but a calculated act designed to add weight to the suit. The only real success we have had in destroying white-supremacy groups has been hitting them in their pocket books. All most daily, there is some suit against some public institution for posting the Ten Commandments, etc. Much public money is wasted in these suits. If there were more drastic consequences for these actions, there would be less of them and money saved in the long run. I personally think that the suit should be expanded into a case-action suit and the names of everyone of us across the nation who are constantly harassed by such actions be added to the roster of complainants. I am a Kentuckian and I am suffering as I read comments in a number of national papers which call Kentuckians “ignorant as the result of incest” and other such vial things. I would like to see a multi-million dollar settlement which could be then be used to establish a private agency to file suits demanding monetary damages when these things happen.

Jesus! Glad i don't live in Kentucky! Hey, these are the same idiots that keep reelecting Mich M. so that he can keep stonewalling the Senate and then the righties all claim that the Democrats haven't accomplished anything. Anyway, I think that Kentucky religious idiots didn't go far enough! I think that that state should disband all police units (police, Sheriffs, and state troopers, as well as their national guard and put all their faith into their God's almighty powerful ability to provide them security from criminals as well as terrorists! and then lets see how almighty powerful their God is in protecting them! The deserve the what then ever happens! Heck, lets go even further! How about they change Kentucky law to disband Doctors and hospitals and let leave their health to the hands of their Almighty God also! Then all of us outside of Kentucky can truly learn how powerful their Almighty God is! Should be most interesting! But I doubt you'd get any new residents accepting for the fanatical religious Righties, Mormons and such! And Just maybe a few Islamic Jihadists might also feel right at home there building their home mad bombs!

KYCOL2- someone could talk to the ACLU- this is right up their alley. They are hated for their stands on civil rights and constitutionality, - very often they seem clueless- but they are not.And they have the resources to take something like this on. Sorry there are the insults to KY- it's a beautiful state and the fact that you have a moron of a state rep shouldn't be interpreted as the entire state being in agreement.

Jesus! Glad i don't live in Kentucky! Hey, these are the same idiots that keep reelecting Mich M. so that he can keep stonewalling the Senate and then the righties all claim that the Democrats haven't accomplished anything. Anyway, I think that Kentucky religious idiots didn't go far enough! I think that state should disband all police units (police, Sheriffs, and state troopers, as well as their national guard and put all their faith into their God's almighty powerful ability to provide them security from criminals as well as terrorists! and then lets see how almighty powerful their God is in protecting them! Then they will deserve whatever happens! Heck, lets go even further! How about they change Kentucky law to disband Doctors and hospitals and also leave their health in the hands of their Almighty God! Then all of us outside of Kentucky can truly learn how powerful their Almighty God is! Should be most interesting! But I doubt you'd get any new residents accepting for the fanatical religious Righties, Mormons and such! And Just maybe a few Islamic Jihadists might also feel right at home there building their home-made bombs!

So if terrorists succeed, it's because god wanted it.

Al Qaeda would feel right at home in Kentucky.

Praise the Lord and Allah u Akhbar!

hey, God is the answer to making everyone safer right??? Do I have this one right??? Then why leave any doubt who is really in charge and quit being weak and undecided by saying "government alone cannot guarantee the perfect safety of the people of Kentucky". Your God alone has the power to guarantee the security of all Of Kentucky. Therefore, I suggest (even demand) that the people of Kentucky should rely wholly on your Almighty God and disband the whole state government of Kentucky, including all law enforcement agencies, and let your Almighty God rule. His angels can cover for law inforcement throughout the state! Should be the safest and most secure state in the Union!

"the dependence on Almighty God as being vital to the security of the Commonwealth."

One could interpret this to imply that an atheist or agnostic would not be qualified to serve in any public protector / enforcer role, such as a policeman, FBI / CIA agent, etc, in the state of Kentucky. Scary.

yankeechess wrote: "Therefore, I suggest (even demand) that the people of Kentucky should rely wholly on your Almighty God and disband the whole state government of Kentucky, including all law enforcement agencies, and let your Almighty God rule."

Careful what you wish for. There are some people in KY that think along the same lines as those in North Waziristan, that government is bad and should be disbanded and let God protect everyone, as long as they can keep their guns according to the sacred 2nd amendment of course. Makes one wonder how people who believe God protects them feel the need to carry a gun. One really must wonder how deep their faith is, or consider how thin the air where they live is.

bevjims1, ooooppps, you right, but, hey i was serious. would love to have Kentucky declare itself a religious state! And your also right on the gun issue. Why do they need guns! I know why, because they are not the true believers. Their religious beliefs are just a guise for hypocrisy. They say they are pro-life but in fact they are pro-death--they love the death penalty and sending off our young to die in useless wars. They don't like abortion because they need every body they can get to pay into the religious till, and to fight their illegal wars all over the world. They don't want babies to die in the womb, they want then to die on the battlefield! Hypocrites they are!

spidermean2 wrote:
"God computed just the right distance so you guys won't burn."

Yes indeed. And God also made sure fish are always surrounded by water so they don't dry up and die.

BobfromLI wrote:
"BTW...'Got mit uns' was on German belt buckles in WWI...not Hitler's war. Didn't do so well there either."

Um, no, it was used in WWII.

Presto668,

Actually the 'Gott Mit Uns' buckle was used in both wars.

spidermean2 wrote:
"God computed just the right distance so you guys won't burn."

presto668 responded: "Yes indeed. And God also made sure fish are always surrounded by water so they don't dry up and die."

And kangaroos hopped off the ark and hopped to Australia, and kiwis, a flightless bird, somehow got to New Zealand. Maybe their DNAs changed so they could breathe underwater as they walked there. I've heard stranger reasonings from spidey, like the earth shrinking in diameter thereby causing the flood. When you have a God, anything can be explained. Just what would be required for maintaining a belief against all evidence.

"Gott mit uns (meaning God With Us) was a phrase most known as the motto of the royal house of Prussia, and formed part of the military emblem of Prussia and later Germany.

The phrase was also used as battle cry in the Thirty Years' War and was one of the three official mottoes by Gustavus Adolphus. Note the reference to Nobiscum Deus (Latin, "God with us"), used by Romans and East-Romans as a battle cry.

During World War II, Wehrmacht soldiers wore this slogan on their belt buckles, as opposed to members of the Waffen SS, who wore the motto Meine Ehre heißt Treue ("My honor is loyalty")."

Wikipedia

$25 latest bid for one on ebay.com

bevjims1 wrote:

"When you have a God, anything can be explained. Just what would be required for maintaining a belief against all evidence."
*****

Yes indeed. And in addition, when you have a God there is no way to disprove any alternative theory either. Whatever alternative theory you can come up with, you can always just say "that's the way God planned it", and there will never be anyway to prove or disprove that statement. Spidermean's logic demonstrates this point well.

"The other question is what kind of lawsuit is this? I'm assuming their lawyer has told them the monetary damages is really a political ploy for attention. I hardly think they assume- or anyone else does- that they will really get money out of it."

It may be in large measure about what Bushco did to our right to petition for a redress of grievances in the guise of 'tort reform:' there's limitations to one's ability to sue over civil rights issues without claiming monetary harm.

Even in the face of an insanity like this. Maybe Bush considering his God's protection sufficient for homeland security was why he didn't bother to read the briefing on Al-Qaeda before 9/11. Until, of course, someone's gay or non-Christian or feminist, then of course that whole defense system fails...

"He could be a sanitation engineer - that would explain his outlook on religion and the world. A lifetime spent sifting through other people's garbage could definitely explain the kind of angry, hateful rhetoric he loves so much."

Now, now. I've got to speak up for the kind sanitation engineers out there - especially the ones who take time to wave and smile at my hero-worshipping little toddler son every time they come by. (In his universe, people who drive big trash trucks are superheroes.)

Spidermean's just a man who's been taught all his life that God is an arbitrary, sadistic bully - that if you cross him, you get tortured forever and ever, but if you fawn on him, flatter him, and believe everything you're told to believe, you can be one of his pet henchmen and get to watch from a happy place as all your sisters and brothers (except the favored few) are burned horribly, forever and ever and ever. The fact that he continues to love and worship this nasty bully tells you a good deal about his morality and integrity, but hey. Every bully has henchmen, even imaginary bullies.

Awesome, I am moving to Kentucky!!!!!!!

As a former Far Right Wing Nut Republican Religious fanatic, I must say that the State of Kentucky has gone farther and further than I would have ever imagined.
Surely the Democratic Party of Kentucky, would have known that the sponsor of this piece of legislation had the innate idiotic capacity to introduce this garbage into a homeland security bill. Did the state party not know that State Rep. Tom Riner (D) was a complete fascist when it came to his "religious ideology?" And if not where were the people who were supposed to know?
As for the idea that an ideologue like Tom Riner, could slip this kind of legislation into a homeland security bill, has to be an affront to every thinking person in the state of Kentucky.
Logically one cannot prove the existence of G-d, therefore if something happens that is unforeseen and not foretold, it must have been G-d's will.
How unfortunate that the people of Kentucky, live with such people as this in their state. Much like the Taliban of Afghanistan, the tribes of Pakistan, the Wahibbi's of Saudi Arabia, the Far Right Wing Nuts of Kentucky have now shown their true colours. We are fortunate that they live in Kentucky, not anywhere else in the US.
Much to the chagrin of Kentuckians, who are not of
the persuasion of this man, they now have an unknowable and unproven means of protection that if not working means that they are in "sin" and are under the judgment of their interpretation of G-d.
Views expressed by the foregoing Rev. Tom Riner are his own and not mine. He is certainly the ideologue of the Christian Wing Nuts and has as his basis a book, that has undergone countless revisions, was politically formed in the 3rd Century, and underwent a rebellious reformation, that started with King Henry VIII because he could not divorce Catherine of Aragone, his legal wife, for Anne Bolyen, his mistress.
Oh what a tangled web we weave when we at first do deceive.
In the grand scheme of things, we must acknowledge the rights of these people to believe the way that they want, but conversely, the Far Right Wing Nuts of the Republican Party, must acknowledge that all do not believe the way they do and cannot be forced either through conversion or legislation to believe the way they do.

Kentucky has gone off the deep end! So it seems! Being from here and a resident for 40 yrs. and all my life! It has always been a Democratic State and hasn't gone Republican for almost 100 years? It's like this! When you have 4 out of 6 Senators who are GOP and both Senators, then they win by Federal Delegation with The Electoral Vote and then just flip the numbers on the popular vote! It shouldn't last for long, depending upon how well Obama does! Democrats should gain some seats here come 2010. If not, then next time! The extreme right use the tactic of fear and superstition of creationism and no dinosaurs, to hold their ground and their jobs? Though, KY has traditionally, been a moderate state, not prone to far left OR far right politics or views! It's the work of Mitch McConnell and the very powerful webs he has spun that is going to eventually blow up their faces! We even have a Democratic Governor who talks their talk almost, and that gets scary at times! Though, he's just trying to get his greedy hands on some money! The Democrats have to go conservative, but progressive and it's not happening! Clean coal or dirty coal and nuclear, being on top of The Madrid Fault Line for earthquakes, is not a smart idea! KY cannot continue however, to replace corruption for corruption! One doesn't make the other right! My father was former Country Judege Pat Tanner of Daviess County KY, who got alot of things done, but fought alot of power, that still wants to keep KY in the dark ages and forward that! Getting out of The Old Testament and into The New isn't such a bad idea! Ever heard of Jesus? Though it's the political strong-holds here in KY, stupid! At least, for the time being!

journeyers58 wrote "Logically one cannot prove the existence of G-d, "

This is what Im talking about. Evolution leaves people WITHOUT ANY LOGIC. The reason why engineers cannot duplicate humans or animals but can only come up with very poor copies of them is because there is ONE logic that can't be grasp. Logically the owner of that super intelligence is God. Only idiots like you can't grasp that.

Go figure out how your teeth formed that way. It could easily put the molars in front of your mouth if the designer is as idiotic as you are. Also, if you're the designer, you might place your brain between your teeth.

CORRECTION: 4 out of 6 Congressman and 2 Senators GOP.

This is a very good law. It will force the idiots out of the state and therefore make it a very safe place. No idiots, therefore, no trouble. Let them migrate to Massachusetts, Connecticut or California or to Godless Russia, China or any other Godless nation which in the future will make war with the U.S.

America would be safer that way if the dumb ;eave this country and for their absence, no dumb decisions will be made.

If there are slogans which say "NO FEAR", Kentucky should make a new slogan : This is a very safe place : NO DUMB around.

This is an utterly stupid and pointless law, and is very indicative of the serious brain rot that occurs in right wing 'Christians'. Fortunately, it doesn't really do anything, just make a very silly statement. So it could be worse - laws trying to shove creationism and ID on the schools are much, much worse.

Messing with The Middle East and Russia is not a very smart idea ding dong! Especially in their own back yard! What is constitutional about that? Tell me! The super elites playing sink my battleship at the expense of the people, with their elaborate plan to wipe out 80% of us/the world! How is that being a good steward? No! Evil doesn't deserve it! They say that they don't, and GOD isn't going to continue to bless these evil bastards!

Only intelligent people can detect the presence of an intelligent system. The people who abhor these intelligent presence like we see in nature are simply DUMB AND IDIOTS.

Doomsday is a result of too many idiots hanging around in this world. The logic capacity of these people can be likened to MAD DOGS.

BEWARE OF THESE DOGS. What makes them even dangerous is they can also read that sign. They remove the sign and people are left clueless of the danger.

Turning the world into their own neo-cons or neo-liberal cons, is not of GOD! Or Jesus! When you no longer have separation of church and state, as the founders set up, you have a Romanized Theocracy Empire, that dictates what you can and can't say in a church! This is what happened in Nazi Germany, which The New World Order and certain individuals here in America set up. They put these dictators in power! Create the problem and then provide the solution. War! Death is their bread and butter $$$$$ So in order for a church to receive 501C3 Status, and be tax exempt, they have to abide by those rules or they lose their tax exempt status. Their our preachers all over the country put in place by The New World Order, who are currently preaching that if the government declares martial law, congregation members are to hand over their weapons in exchange for food and shelter. It's nuts! The sheep get lead to the slaughter and thus the sheep must now become wolves of Satan with a cross on it to be a Christian these days! Insane!

Getting rid of AL-QUEDA AKA AL-CIA'da, would be a start! Nazi infiltrated since 1947 and it's inception!

I notice Spidey is back with his particular brand of illogic and insults. I think he's struggling the English as a second language, so the best insults he can come up with are 'dumb' and 'stupid' variety. There must some better insults in Tagalog.

i don't have the answer to this insignificant when compared to problems dealing with peoples actual health, wealth, or stelth in the cases of christians who actually want to make a difference in the real world and waste thier time with such idiocy. i suspect the fools have already done thier deeds thats how you get the insane idea of human beings ording god around to watch over them if they just order him to do just that in thier petty little words with thier hands on thier hips and they mistakenly think it it is the reast of human kind that is the idiot... but really...how bright would it be to pick a god your could actually boss around i suspect hese people would rather be god than have the real gods will done on earth but please corect me in term quantitatively and qualitatively how i am wron . please check 4 truth i'm just the dydslexic artist son of a southwesestern virginia blueridege mountountain hillbilly and FAKE-IT STATE UNIVERSITY FSU in tallahassee fl says i'm naught 2 brite but i think quite corectly they are liars and have no ethics in thier administration