Nepal's New Living Goddess, Age 3
American Idol can't compete with Nepal's version. Tuesday, Hindu and Buddhist priests appointed three-year-old Matani Shakya to the position of living goddess. Not even Simon Cowell would be so callous.
Matani was chosen by a panel of judges in a competition that featured a number of 2- to 4-year-old girls from the same impoverished caste. The girls were judged by their horoscopes and their bodies. In this contest, the living goddess must have perfect hair, eyes, teeth and skin and no scars.
The new living goddess will be worshipped by Hindus and Buddhists as an incarnation of the powerful Hindu deity Taleju. She will live -- without her parents -- in an ancient temple in Katmandu where she will become a tourist attraction until she reaches puberty and loses her divine status. Then she will be returned to her family, along with a pension and a Nepalese folk tale that any man who marries her will die young.
Earlier this year, the Nepal Supreme Court ruled that the living goddess, or kumari, has rights. "There are no historic and religious documents that say Kumaris should be denied their child rights guaranteed in the (UN's) Convention on the Rights of the Child (the CRC)," the court said.
Unfortunately, there's nothing in the CRC's 54 articles that prohibits governments, religious leaders or parents from turning a child into an idol. However, Article 14 does say: "States Parties shall respect the right of the child to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." Do they have human rights attorneys in Nepal?
Interestingly, the United States is one of only two countries (we're in proud solidarity with Somalia on this one) not to ratify the convention. One reason, critics say, is that the CRC would interfere with Texas' right to give a child the death sentence. Strange. The UN can prevent Texas from executing a child but it can't prevent Nepal from executing a childhood.
David Waters
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Posted by: vsylvestre | October 9, 2008 10:10 AM
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Strange. The UN can prevent Texas from executing a child but it can't prevent Nepal from executing a childhood.
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Not that I would ever consent to such a thing for my own child, but I can see how having your daughter become the embodiment of a goddess could be a boon for poor families. At least they would know the child would be fed on a daily basis, which might be more than they could manage.
And I fail to see how worshipping a child is the cruelty equivalent of executing a child.
Posted by: lepidopteryx | October 9, 2008 10:17 AM
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How is this any different than the British making a tourist attraction out of anyone who is born royal?
Posted by: wolfcastle | October 9, 2008 12:38 PM
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This topic is really pointless. WaPo/Newsweek is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Can't we discuss something important, maybe take a topic from Alice in Wonderland? As the walrus said, and it might be a better topic: "...and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings." Oh, dear - should that be 'whether pigs have lipstick'?
Posted by: Arminius | October 9, 2008 6:00 PM
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""States Parties shall respect the right of the child to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." Do they have human rights attorneys in Nepal?"
Well, maybe they don't need them, since the previous 'living Goddess' *quit.*
Who's to argue, there?
Posted by: Paganplace | October 9, 2008 6:09 PM
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BAN SHORTSELLING !! (Paulson should be sacked)
The stock market is shooting downward. Naturally, everybody should be saddened. But NO, not everyone. Who are these people? Who are they who profit from this downturn. It's the SHORTSELLERS. The government should realize that shortselling DEFIES NATURAL SCIENCE. It is an ABNORMALITY. Nobody should be allowed to sell things that are not theirs.
THIS IS THE CANCER THAT IS PLAGUING the stock market. It defies science and anything that defies science is HARMFUL. We are now reaping the bad fruits which SHORTSELLING sowed.
When a house is burning, everybody should grieve. If you see somebody who's overjoyed, Im sure HE/SHE IS THE ARSONIST. Shortsellers are the only people who are overjoyed now.
For as long as the "arsonists" are at large, people's money are NOT safe. LOCK THEM (shortsellers) UP BEFORE MORE HOUSES WOULD BURN. For as long as they are around, our money will not be safe in the bank. LOCK THEM UP SOON OR THE FIRE WON'T STOP.
These bailouts cannot continue forever. These water hoses would soon dry up. Stop the fire from its source -- the SHORTSELLERS.
Posted by: spidermean2 | October 9, 2008 6:12 PM
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I mean, seriously, as hidebound as the tradition may be, ...it's not the one kid out of the whole Third World treated as a 'living Goddess' that bothers me, ...it's those in other countries who are subjected to the same 'Virginity is Pure' *shame* and *aren't* exactly treated like Goddesses with all due swank that bothers me.
There was some fuss made about the previous kumari's abdication.... though it fell in a busy news cycle. She's off to public school right now. Not the worst idea ever, if you asked me. Gods know it'd at least make good Disney.
Posted by: Paganplace | October 9, 2008 6:18 PM
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You're spamming again, Spidey, btw. . Might want to look to that.
See, once in the not-too-recent reality, when a real or metaphorical house was burning, people would *put out the fire,* not run home and type a lot of capslock spew on the Internet.
Posted by: Paganplace | October 9, 2008 6:22 PM
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Good one Arminius
Posted by: ASTORIA | October 10, 2008 12:42 AM
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What the heck is wrong with you people who doesn't even know a clue about Hindu religion? Before comparing your own religion/culture and poking on ours, you should be familiar with our virgin worshipping tradition thats more than 2600 years old. Ever seen the whole procedure on how goddess Kumari is chosen or worshipped? If you guys think it's silly, keep it to yourself. Don't post such comments that can easily offend other religion. Learn to respect people and their faith. And to the author, speaking on human rights, you should be asking the terrorists about human rights. We are simply following our tradition and we are proud of it. We DO NOT KILL people in the name of religion.
Posted by: synecdoche | October 10, 2008 1:22 AM
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SYNECDOCHE - your bullying lecture will never override our moral obligation to protest child abuse. Your selfish demand that we be silent on cruelty, lest we offend you, is itself offensive. Have you considered how you offend us by endorsing cruelty? That a practice is 2600 years old only makes it more shameful and our speaking out more imperative.
As for terrorists, none of us know any, so how can we ask them about human rights? If you want to change the subject, at least be germain. That your religion doesn't murder is irrelevant to the facts of what it does do.
Posted by: jhbyer | October 10, 2008 3:05 AM
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Doesn't anyone think this is wierd? I'm sure she's just fine. It doesn't seem any different than the careers of some child actors. Instead of facing a life of poverty, hunger, disease and lack of education, she has economic security locked in for life. In exchange, she puts on a daily show for the faithful.
Your attempt to label this custom child abuse is bizarre.
Posted by: ZZim | October 10, 2008 8:25 AM
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Freaky story. Freaky worship. I hope this goddess doesn't catch pneumonia or dysentery.
Posted by: forgetthis | October 10, 2008 9:20 AM
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Typical. Any time, anyone from a western or European culture encounters a custom or practice they don't understand, the first response is to attack it. The same ignorant mentality allowed for the genocide of thousands of "stone age" Native Americans, during the founding of this nation. All of the wonderful knowledge and beautiful culture that was wiped out by fear and ignorance can never be reclaimed.
We as westerners, don't have the right to attack everything we find in the world just because we don't like it. As long as the little girl isn't being physically or mentally harmed, what's the problem?
The Washington Post should be able to find much more important topics to discuss, than the unusual religious practices of an ancient culture.
Washington D.C. is a hotbed of scandal that's not getting its fair share of the limelight.
I almost forgot what forum this is. For a moment, I thought this was an open forum on religion. This is a "conservative" forum, which means that there is only one point of view. "Do as I say, not as I do."
My personal experiences with "conservatives" has shown me that people choosing to be called by that title, are actually "repressed". Some of the most lurid sex scandals of this and the previous century have ALL been "conservative people". Check the walls of your house, before you start castings stones.
Posted by: southernpisces | October 10, 2008 12:03 PM
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Perhaps all you third-world apologists and multi-culti types missed the money quotes in the news articles about this:
"As a final test, the living goddess must spend a night alone in a room among the heads of ritually slaughtered goats and buffaloes without showing fear."
"Having passed all the tests, the child will stay in almost complete isolation at the temple, and will be allowed to return to her family only at the onset of menstruation when a new goddess will be named to replace her."
OK, you seperate a 3-yo from her family, make her spend the night in a chamber of horrors and keep her in almost complete isolation for the next decade. And it's us westerners who are ignorant or insensitive? Riiiiiiiight.
As long as any religion gets a pass on child abuse, then you have to give everyone who claims religious necessity, tradition or whatever a pass on anything.
Posted by: kayak23225 | October 10, 2008 12:25 PM
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"The UN can prevent Texas from executing a child but it can't prevent Nepal from executing a childhood."
Actually, per the information in your own posting here, this is false. The UN CANNOT prevent Texas from executing a child.
Regardless, of course what Nepal is doing is 100% wrong. It's just a shame that religion gets so much deference in the world that we can actually pretend to debate whether or not this is child abuse.
Posted by: fitzroysq | October 10, 2008 12:32 PM
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The comments make me laugh even more. You guys are trying to sterilize each and every religion out there in the world just to suit your everyday life. It becomes a sheer subject for you guys whenever you see something queer, isn't it? You guys should be watching down your own sleeves first. Texas polygamy scandal and what not. And yes, being a goddess comes with responsibility, and rules as defined by our tradition. Our Kumari has no problem with it neither any of the former Kumaris. I wonder what's with the western world. There's a saying in Nepal that goes like this.. "one cannot see a big buffalo in his own body and is clearly seeing a lice in someone else's scalp." It doesn't get any better than this.
Posted by: synecdoche | October 10, 2008 1:05 PM
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Hey, Synecdoche:
It's about the 3-yo girl, the religious terror, brainwashing and psychological scarring. Of course the current and former victims of your cruelty have "no problem with it." They're brainwashed and suffering from Stockholm Syndrome whereby the victims identify with and internalize the belief systems of their abusers.
What's "with" us westerners is that we've been through the Enlightenment, and begun the long, arduous process of excising the cancers of ignorance and superstition from our society.
We've also come up with this idea of individual rights, which includes the right to say that the practices of others are wrong, even if those practices try to hide behind religious or cultural tradition. There is no right to not be offended, or to be exempt from criticism. Whiner.
The people of Nepal may someday go through their own Enlightenment. Hoping it's sooner, rather than later. Not for your sake, but for the sake of the poor girl, and those who will follow her.
Posted by: kayak23225 | October 10, 2008 2:04 PM
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... and here I thought PaganPlace was the living goddess. I'm so disillusioned!!!
I agree with Arminius, there are more important topics out there.
Posted by: Notsogreatscot | October 10, 2008 2:22 PM
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kayak23225 writes "It's about the 3-yo girl, the religious terror, brainwashing and psychological scarring."
Yeah, yeah, and Jews ritually mutilate the genitals of their male babies. What's weirder?
Posted by: vsylvestre | October 10, 2008 2:47 PM
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VSYLVESTRE wrote: Yeah, yeah, and Jews ritually mutilate the genitals of their male babies. What's weirder?
Jews and Muslims BOTH ritually mutilate the genitals of their male children.
I don't think it's useful to ask which practice is "weirder." What is useful is to decide which form of religious child abuse causes the most harm based on the cruelty of the act of abuse multiplied by the number of victims, and target the groups which cause the most harm overall.
However it costs nothing to speak out against the Nepalese religious child abuse.
Posted by: kayak23225 | October 10, 2008 3:00 PM
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That's actually a pretty cool thing, I like the folk tale about her husband dying young.
Posted by: ozpunk | October 10, 2008 3:29 PM
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Ban shortselling just even for 3 to 5 days (around the world) and let's see how the market behaves. LET'S GIVE SANITY A BREAK. I can't wait to see the market shoot straight up.
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BAN SHORTSELLING !! (It's time Paulson be replaced coz he comes from an institution that's part of the problem)
The stock market is shooting downward. Naturally, everybody should be saddened. But NO, not everyone. Who are these people? Who are they who profit from this downturn. It's the SHORTSELLERS. The government should realize that shortselling DEFIES NATURAL SCIENCE. It is an ABNORMALITY. Nobody should be allowed to sell things that are not theirs.
THIS IS THE CANCER THAT IS PLAGUING the stock market. It defies science and anything that defies science is HARMFUL. We are now reaping the bad fruits which SHORTSELLING sowed.
When a house is burning, everybody should grieve. If you see somebody who's overjoyed, Im sure HE/SHE IS THE ARSONIST. Shortsellers are the only people who are overjoyed now.
For as long as the "arsonists" are at large, people's money are NOT safe. LOCK THEM (shortsellers) UP BEFORE MORE HOUSES WOULD BURN. For as long as they are around, our money will not be safe in the bank. LOCK THEM UP SOON OR THE FIRE WON'T STOP.
These bailouts cannot continue forever. These water hoses would soon dry up. Stop the fire from its source -- the SHORTSELLERS.
Posted by: spidermean2 | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM
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BANKRUPTING THE GOVERNMENT
There is no faster way to bankrupt the government than to buy stocks WITHOUT OWNERSHIP. We have a top guy in the financial market who is an IDIOT. Does he really understand what he is doing? Shortsellers can swallow those billions in seconds. It's tantamount to money transfer from government to shortsellers for free.
SACK HANK PAULSON!!! THIS GUY IS TERRIBLE!!
At least the Brits were buying stock and OWN THE COMPANY. This person is an IDIOT!!
Posted by: spidermean2 | October 10, 2008 6:50 PM
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kayak23225 wrote "What's "with" us westerners is that we've been through the Enlightenment, and begun the long, arduous process of excising the cancers of ignorance and superstition from our society."
You talk of enlightenment with respect to Western Philosophy on the basis of Reason. Age of Reasonism or Rationalism, whatever you may say might have got you enlightened. We, Hindus, have been enlightened by Hindu Philosophy since thousands of years.
You should be respecting the faith of other people, not poking your nosey nose in someone else's business. Arguing over Hindu religion would get you nowhere. Scratching your head on the current financial crisis might get you somewhere. One could endlessly go attacking on other religion. Futile labour, nothing more.
cheers.. :)
Posted by: synecdoche | October 10, 2008 10:36 PM
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BAN SHORTSELLING of ALL STOCKS (No exemptions) (Give it a shot even for a month or less and see how sanity will return to the market)
I'll make this very simple. The only way you can sell a brand new car for 100 dollars or less is to let shortsellers sell it. They don't own the car so they have no worry if it is priced at 1 dollar. The same logic is happening in the stock market.
HANK PAULSON, ARE YOU LISTENING?
Posted by: spidermean2 | October 11, 2008 12:05 AM
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I think it is not fair to take away the childhood of a little girl. Most likely this little girl will never have the opportunity to take drugs or smoke, or like Palin's daughter, become pregnant at 17 with the child of a man/boy to whom she is married. Poor thing!
While I would not allow my own daughter to be idolized in this way, I do find Western arrogance to be simply staggering. In spite of great wealth, military power, and "abortion rights", the West enjoys relatively low levels of personal happiness. So why preach to others?
Worshipping goddesses is a Hindu custom, and there is nothing like it in Judaism or Protestant Christianity. Catholic women are not allowed to become priests. So why not celebrate the fact that women can be worshipped in Hinduism, while criticizing, but in a limited way, the biazarre forms that this worship can take.
Posted by: rohitcuny | October 11, 2008 7:07 AM
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I don't know that the West which Crucified Jesus, threatened Galileo with torture, and burned Joan of Arc at the stake really has the right to preach free speech to Hindus who allowed a radical like the Buddha to live to the ripe age of 80 without seeking to harm him. Hindu kings became his disciples even though what he preached often radically differed from Hindu doctrine.
If you look at Hindu scriptures you will find enormous amounts of doubting and challenging which you will find also in Plato's dialogues, but which you will NOT find in the history of Chrisianity.
Free speech is hardly a Western notion - it has been practiced in India for thousands of years. What IS peculiarly Western is the right to use free speech to insult others, including Hindus and Muslims.
Try to learn some respect for other cultures.
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"What's "with" us westerners is that we've been through the Enlightenment, and begun the long, arduous process of excising the cancers of ignorance and superstition from our society.
We've also come up with this idea of individual rights, which includes the right to say that the practices of others are wrong, even if those practices try to hide behind religious or cultural tradition. There is no right to not be offended, or to be exempt from criticism. Whiner."
Posted by: rohitcuny | October 11, 2008 7:22 AM
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it just goes to show that there is no religion that does not have it's share of seriously whacky behavior.
How is this any more freakish than submerging babies under water?
Posted by: timscanlon | October 11, 2008 8:11 AM
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I agree that that children should not be subjected to abuse even if it means enforcing religious roles on children and I am a Hindu. But let us not forget the pervasive abuse that Christianity (and Islam)heaps on children.
Christians lie to their children that Jesus is God or Son of God or whatever, that salvation is thru him, that he died for their sins and that Christianity is the only means of salvation.
No wonder Christians have killed more people in the name of Christianity. The massacre of Jews in Germany was a massacre committed by Christian people.
The reach and capacity of Christians to abuse children is far greater than the this one child in Nepal who is being abused.
Posted by: jailkkhosla | October 11, 2008 1:29 PM
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You are making up much of the article .... filling in the blanks with unfounded falsehoods.... jousting with your own mental windmill.
A prince born in England has pretty much the same circumstances as the Goddess/Child and then the circumstances get more constricting if/when the prince becomes King.
If white-bread could speak it would write an article like this one written by David Waters.
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Posted by: John_Chas_Webb | October 11, 2008 2:27 PM
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jailkkhosla, you need to go back and take a few more European history lessons before you start spouting out ridiculous misconceptions like that.
Most of the Nazi party leaders were not true Christians and tended to follow more Pagan and Mystic traditions. Plus, the party as a whole during the final solution took a decidedly anti-Christan stance toward the world.
Of course, I'm sure you have plenty of reasons why bible burning and sacking churches during WWII are signs of a pro-Christian stance, no?
Posted by: Kiyoryu | October 12, 2008 4:49 AM
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David Waters
People have a right to worship as they will. Nepal’s version, twisted as it is, symbolizes the genuine truth to them.
What is a morally appropriate thing in Katmandu changes into an obvious trespass upon children in the U.S.
Juxtaposing the Nepalese way to what some Americans do with children is sobering.
For instance the Trillion Dollar Bailout … This surreal monetary debt we have placed on our children is cruelty upon innocence, its purpose is to protect, not children, but a Capitalist system stuck on the high center of greed and decadence.
Another recent example is the indoctrination of children to a Political Candidate.
Reference Children singing praises to Sen. Obama.
In Christian America I maintain that most minds settle on a candidate in Sunday school, that is where endorsements are made and ideological ground can be taken.
It happens and I have no problem with that, but when people fan a Candidates views as the better path to a deeper Spirituality ……. They are not only dead wrong, but dead spiritually as well.
Posted by: 4thwatch | October 12, 2008 9:04 AM
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What if a religious university took a 15 year old boy who told his lay minister he was gay and strapped wires to his hands and an arousal sensor around his penis, showed him homosexual pornography and then applied high voltage electroshock to his hands to "cure" him?
Would anyone be just as outraged?
Would his "Church" ever even admit that they did it? Not in Utah they wouldn't.
Posted by: coloradodog | October 12, 2008 9:38 AM
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This is regarding the comment on Nazi religious practices/beliefs -
While it's true there were high-up members of that government who played with pagan belief systems, SS members were *required* to be Christians. Nazis didn't care whether Protestant or Catholic, just as long as it was one of the two. They certainly did not sanction atheism, and did promote Catholic & Protestant church attendance among their followers, and apparently, a lot of churches & clergy members had no problem with this at the time. See:http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/paul_23_4.html for more info about Christianity & Nazism.
Posted by: trish6 | October 12, 2008 5:22 PM
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My goodness, where to start.
First of all, in the subcontinent Prayers to Prepubertal girls is fairly common. Also asking brides to bless households, or in later life, addressing the lady of the House as goddess is quite common.
However, in most cases, it usually stops there.
I recall to my great hilarity, a bunch of us young girls were invited by a couple who had only sons to be the Devis (goddesses) for their puja. They were very sweet, and had little gifts and packages of sweets ready for us, and we giggled uproariously when the elderly lady made her elderly husband bow to us. We politely greeted him thereafter and never abused our temporary status.
We were just a bunch of kids who played volleyball in the backyard and we were thrilled to be invited.
This happened a couple or three years in a row and another younger couple, also with sons, once or twice invited us to be the Devis. The sons loathed us, I am happy to report and we found them hilarious.
My own Mom never invited us to be Devis or anythang. She thought we were plenty of trouble with getting breakfasts, tea times, lunch boxes fixed and she was doing plenty of Seva (service) for her Devis already.
There is a dark side of course and thas why I am glad the Human Rights people took up the cause of the lil serial Devis.
First of all, as you say, they take the child away from parents.
Second of all, all manner of nuts and psychos get obsessed with the lil tyke, giving her all kinds of projected powers and thangs, and attributing all kinds of dark and ominous portents to her least little gesture or activity.
Then, there are the nuts who get obsessed with her private parts and private bathing rituals and can start making hysterical noises around her.
Nepal and India are also known for trafficking in female children, many of them prepubertal.
So overall, although there are fairly benign cultural backgrounds to treating young girls as Goddesses, or brides as Goddesses or the Wife of the Household as Goddess, this stylized process of ferociously focussing on her premenstrual phase and obsessing about her is fraught with highly abusive and dysfunctional realities.
Campaigns to bring normalcy and happiness to young girls and protecting their rights to privacy, schooling, play with peers and an independent romantic future are highly laudable and appropriate.
Posted by: MinnieB9 | October 13, 2008 1:15 AM
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UNDER THE CHRISTIANITY JESUS IS ALSO A GOD, WHETHER HE REMAINS A CHILD OR ADULT.
Posted by: shafiuddin | October 13, 2008 4:59 AM
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IN HINDUISM, Hindus prayes to Monkey, Rat, Snake, elephant like man, women, PENNIS, LUST, as their gods then why not CHILD GOD. I am serious, it is not a joke, if you want to know more about Hinduism please discuss with your Hindu freind.
Posted by: shafiuddin | October 13, 2008 5:26 AM
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UNDER Christianity, Women becomes Saint, then why not child god.
Posted by: shafiuddin | October 13, 2008 5:29 AM
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It is a lie and rumor to say that any man who marries Kumari will die young. The Kumari studies in her residence with private tutors. So when she reaches her puberty age and have to leave her divine status she can join the school and continue her study as a normal student. At the study time nobody are allowed to worship her, they have to wait. There are at present 12 living former state Kumaris. Majority of them are married and have children and loving husband. They are successful in raising and maintaining family harmony. Some former Kumaris are computer engineers and teachers too.
Former Kumaris did not complain about their Kumari periods but they are proud of being a Goddess before. So why should the people who did not understand the cultural and religious matter of Nepalese bother and poking in other’s belief and trusts. Before saying or writing something it will be better for the writer to do research, in good faith, about cultural, social and religion of that place Mr. David Waters for your information, State Kumari of Kathmandu does not stay in ancient temple, she lives in Kumarihouse, as US Presidents lives in Whitehouse. She visits her temple, Taleju, in Dashain festival only. She is not alone in her residence, She lives with caretaker’s family. She does play with toys and caretaker’s children. Her parent can visit and talk with her. There is no bar to her parent. In short it is just like a boarding school. Here Goddess Kumari has an extracurriculam of giving audiences to her well wishers and worshippers. As for the tourists, we do not know in what motives they come but having a glimpse of Kumari we saw their face glowing up. It must be due to divine blessing.
Posted by: yeti60 | October 13, 2008 7:07 AM
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It is a lie and rumor to say that any man who marries Kumari will die young. The Kumari studies in her residence with private tutors. So when she reaches her puberty age and have to leave her divine status she can join the school and continue her study as a normal student. At the study time nobody are allowed to worship her, they have to wait. There are at present 12 living former state Kumaris. Majority of them are married and have children and loving husband. They are successful in raising and maintaining family harmony. Some former Kumaris are computer engineers and teachers too.
Former Kumaris did not complain about their Kumari periods but they are proud of being a Goddess before. So why should the people who did not understand the cultural and religious matter of Nepalese bother and poking in other’s belief and trusts. Before saying or writing something it will be better for the writer to do research, in good faith, about cultural, social and religion of that place Mr. David Waters for your information, State Kumari of Kathmandu does not stay in ancient temple, she lives in Kumarihouse, as US Presidents lives in Whitehouse. She visits her temple, Taleju, in Dashain festival only. She is not alone in her residence, She lives with caretaker’s family. She does play with toys and caretaker’s children. Her parent can visit and talk with her. There is no bar to her parent. In short it is just like a boarding school. Here Goddess Kumari has an extracurriculam of giving audiences to her well wishers and worshippers. As for the tourists, we do not know in what motives they come but having a glimpse of Kumari we saw their face glowing up. It must be due to divine blessing.
Posted by: yeti60 | October 13, 2008 7:09 AM
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YET160, thank you for giving us important information on the living conditions of the Kumari that suggest a better potential for happiness now and later as an adult than anticipated by the article by Mr. Waters. Your point about our needing to learn before judging is well made and taken.
Posted by: jhbyer | October 13, 2008 8:19 AM
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This is ref. to MinnieB9's posting.
She's comparing the role playing of gods/goddesses during the festival with Goddess Kumari which is completely wrong.
She writes..."Then, there are the nuts who get obsessed with her private parts and private bathing rituals and can start making hysterical noises around her."
Hello!! What are you relating to? Do you even have a faintest idea on Kumari worshipping in Nepal?
Then she writes..."Nepal and India are also known for trafficking in female children, many of them prepubertal."
Which country is not? Is America not? or the European countries? How about phedophiles in the United States? and Priests abusing the children inside the church? I'd love to hear any such news about Nepal -- abusing Goddess Kumari.
Moron!
Posted by: synecdoche | October 13, 2008 8:22 AM
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Question
In India’s Orissa state Christians are continuously persecuted (beaten, churches and homes burned to the ground, ordered to convert to Hinduism, leave the village, or die) Many have been murdered.
There are over ten thousand Christians hiding in nearby forests or seeking refuge in state compounds. This oppression has gone on for some time.
Why are these Indian Hindus permitted to war against Christians?
Is this the Hindu way?
Posted by: 4thwatch | October 13, 2008 11:42 AM
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Response to 4thwatch's question.
I wouldn't know about India. Here in Nepal, the so called Missionaries are pouring money to convert Hindu into Christians. Is this how the Christians are increasing their numbers -- by buying people's faith in the least developed nation? Perhaps, that's the same reason why the christians are being persecuted in the state of Orrisa. I just hope they don't start doing the same here. But, convertism has got to stop. Anywhere in the world.
Posted by: synecdoche | October 13, 2008 11:58 AM
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Hello Synecdoche
People often raise charges of forced or bought conversion.
Missionaries are accused of this when they bring food and provisions to the poorest families, those who are of the lower castes and forgotten by their own society.
Evidently Hindu benevolence does not extend to the poorest in their midst. If not Missionaries who then will help these ostracized people?
These are the needs Mother Teresa ministered to, so it is with Christian Missionaries.
To simply respond “convertism” When a Christian or anyone extends a helping hand to another human in need is the very mindset that permits such murderous persecutions.
Posted by: 4thwatch | October 13, 2008 3:33 PM
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Kiyoryu writes "jailkkhosla, you need to go back and take a few more European history lessons before you start spouting out ridiculous misconceptions like that. Most of the Nazi party leaders were not true Christians and tended to follow more Pagan and Mystic traditions. Plus, the party as a whole during the final solution took a decidedly anti-Christan stance toward the world."
To quote yourself 'you need to go back and take a few more European history lessons'
The Nazi leadership including Hitler were certainly Christians. Calling the "Final Solution" un-Christian is non-sensical. For centuries Christians have persecuting Jews (not to mention Muslims). Christianity has a lot to learn from Islam on how to treat other religions.
Have fun catching up on your European history!
Posted by: vsylvestre | October 13, 2008 5:47 PM
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Does this child of an impoverished caste get certain benefits from this service?
For example, does she receive a basic education (which might not be available to her family)?
I note she gets a pension; does her family receive compensation for loaning their daughter for this privileged life?
Will she be well fed and receive good medical attention, while serving?
One of my favorite movies is "Kundun".
In that movie, a small child is taken from his parents to live a privileged life.
Answers to all of my questions would flavor my reaction to this selection.
Posted by: Judy-in-TX | October 13, 2008 6:09 PM
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Also, in yesterday's New York Times, an article titled: "Hindu threat to Christians: convert or flee" by Somini Sengupta, details violence against a 2-percent Christian minority, apparently tied to ethnic tribal problems, in which more than 30 people have been killed, 3,000 homes and 130 churches destroyed.
Anyone in that area who openly practices any Christian faith, among which are Roman Catholic, Baptist and Pentecostal, is suddenly confronted by a mob of neighbors and ordered to turn over anything, such as Bibles, pictures of Christ or the saints, etc., which are burned in the public square.
They are then ordered to worship the Hindu gods.
If they refuse to recant their religion, they are told to leave or they will be killed.
I’m very surprised, as this is the first I’ve heard about current religious persecution in India, except for the period when Gandhi was alive and there was violent trouble between Hindus and Muslims.
I have always believed India to be a peaceful, basically modern country, trying to bring their backwater areas into the twenty-first century.
If we want to talk about something, that's a subject we ought to discuss: how do other countries have an impact on this internal sectarian and ethnic cleansing?
Posted by: Judy-in-TX | October 13, 2008 6:40 PM
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Shahifuddin: How about Muhammad? Did not he marry and violate a 6 year old? How about all this intolerance and terror by Muslims?
Posted by: Ronaldho | October 13, 2008 8:01 PM
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Posted by: yeti60 | October 17, 2008 12:26 AM
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A tutor Ms. Sanu Maharjan from Openhouse Secondary English School had started tutoring Living Goddess Kumari, Matina Shakya from today at Kumarihouse. Ms. Matina Shakya was studying in Nursery class in that school prior to her selection as Kumari. The study time was from 12.00PM to 4.00PM Nepal time. No visitors, worshippers and believers are allowed to audience in that period.
Ex-Kumari Ms. Priti Shakya had joined Whitefield School, Kathmandu in Grade 5. When she was a reigning Kumari she was having private coaching from the teachers of that school and appearing in exams as a private student.
Posted by: yeti60 | October 19, 2008 12:55 PM
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Given that some religions insist on the sexual mutilation of children, I'm not sure why making a girl into a goddess is such a big deal. Isn't the writer really claiming that the girl in question really isn't a goddess? Pretty much the same thing as saying Mary didn't ascend into heaven, or Jesus was just a man, etc. I guess it's easier to disbelieve a religion you didn't grow up with because it's obviously a bit silly, while ignoring the silliness in one's own religion.