Obama: Confessions of a Non-Muslim

Are we all daft????Obama spent age 2 through 12 in a muslim land with muslim friends and attended a muslim school..These are the formative years of a person life..Islam is written deep in his heart...He recited the shahada in Arabic last year in the presence of a newspaperman..He likes muslim garb and wears it often..His years from age 12 to mid 20s was spent with more muslim friends.Want names, dates, places??..It is all available.He went to Pakistan with muslim school friends in 1980s and returned to share an apt with another muslim friend in n.y...He finally graduated to Jeremiah Wright's church (Jeremaih was also a former muslim) and spent more time among friends like Farrakhan....Again I ask, are we all daft????These muslims are stil in Obama's life and have even contributed to his campaign fund..Obama has said Christian ministers have hijacked the Christian faith.. He lies and distorts the words of Jesus in his effort to destroy the very cornerstone foundation of Christianity..The word to discribe Obama is taqiyya..It is the disquise muslim use to infiltrate .. Chrsitains call it a wolf in sheep's clothing.. i.e. the devil posing as a Christian.

Obama is not going to roll over and die to Rovian swift-boating like Kerrry. He responds to false attacks in kind. Wedge politics of fear, hate, religion and race won't work a third time in this century for the neocons who resort to this lacking substantive positions of their own on important national issues.

I wonder why, as an atheist Jew, and, more importantly, as an American voter, I should be reassured by Obama's continual reassertion of his beliefs, his ongoing, tedious "confessions" of faith.

All of this religious nonsense is a distraction from the issues, Obama's flip-flopping on important matters, the fact that we have two abysmally unsatisfactory candidates for the presidency. If it is Jesus that interests the electorate, the candidates should ask for time on Benny Hinn's broadcasts. In that way, we could judge the strength of their relative "confessions" and make an informed decision as to which man is best fit to be the next president of the United States.

Wow, Ruth, ...You'd almost think that not being able to tell the difference between a Sunni and Shi'a was somehow an asset in the world Bush has left us with.

Islam is not 'cooties,' that you get just from being in the same room as a Muslim. Neither is Christianity, ...I've been around Christians all my life, and I don't get labeled a closet Christian.

If Senator Obama were some kind of Muslim sleeper agent, he'd be named Barry O'Bannion.

If anyone lies and distorts the Christian faith, it is you. Read your New Testament again.

" Ruth:

"If anyone lies and distorts the Christian faith, it is you. Read your New Testament again."

Did I say anyone was lying and distorting? Funny, I thought I was talking about politics.

I'm an honest Pagan. I don't *have* a 'my New Testament,' and if you're 'True Christianity,' then I'm the more blessed for having nothing to do with it.

Frankly, if yours is the 'True Christianity,' I really don't see why I'm supposed to be all-fired scared of liberal Muslims.

Bon appetit.

I would disagree that Obama has a deep understanding of the Christian and Muslim faith. His stance on abortion, gay marriage and his statement that all roads lead to heaven is in direct opposition to "true" christians' beliefs. Knowing and really believing is vastly different. He's a true politican: not a "change" agent. Ooops, he is a change agent: he changes his mind every other day.

I would disagree that Obama has a deep understanding of the Christian and Muslim faith. His stance on abortion, gay marriage and his statement that all roads lead to heaven is in direct opposition to "true" christians' beliefs. Knowing and really believing is vastly different. He's a true politican: not a "change" agent. Ooops, he is a change agent: he changes his mind every other day.

He understands that neither Christianity nor Islam are the Presidency of the United States?

That's a good understanding, for starters.

I would disagree that Obama has a deep understanding of the Christian and Muslim faith. His stance on abortion, gay marriage and his statement that all roads lead to heaven is in direct opposition to "true" christians' beliefs. Knowing and really believing is vastly different. He's a true politican: not a "change" agent. Ooops, he is a change agent: he changes his mind every other day.

Btw, Angela, I'd think you might understand by now that hitting post once is sufficient. Or were you trying to scroll something off?

Paganplace; my apologies as I was multi-tasking..

"Obama is not going to roll over and die to Rovian swift-boating like Kerrry."

Roy, "swift-boating" is so last-election.

Obama is being "wright-wronged" by his former (God damn America) pastor and associates.

Get with it!

Why no skip Obama and McCain and have Jesus run solo as an Independent?

Obama is a muslim. He should come clean. People can see he is a fake. He refuses to wear the American flag pin and gives us all the BS about real patriotism. The fact is Islam forbids him from swearing allegiance to anything other than allah.

Janephil-

"The fact is Islam forbids him from swearing allegiance to anything other than allah."

Obama never goes without his American Flag lapel pin now. He probably has one on his underwear.
And he is saluting and pledging just about anything to anyone that will get him a few more votes.

Its the Muslim children in the picture above (scroll up) who refuse to put their hands over their hearts and pledge allegiance to the American flag.

..."Obama has failed to understand that this whole issue about him being 'a secret Muslim' is not about him, but about Muslims and the criticisms of our faith," Bhuyan wrote recently.

Mr. Bhuyan has failed to understand degree to which muslims must still repudiate the Taliban and AlQaida in the press DAILY, name and reject those fundamentalist Imams who support the Taliban and AlQaida, and throw them from the steps of the mosque.

Mr. Bhuyan has also failed to understand the degree to which republican political operatives will lie, obfuscate, commit "little white crimes", foment hate, fear monger, slander, and libel to win political office.

I would have given the Obama staffers who kept the headscarves off of TV a bonus for quick thinking... The media story, as Mr. Bhutan fails to realize, would have been all about "muslim terrorism" with Obama's face superimposed over it. The panel of experts would all make a statement like "of course Obama says he isn't a Muslim" before launching into a fundamentalist wack-job's reading of the Koran and painting every muslim with a terrorist portrait.

We can celibrate Islam on TV with a presidential candidate when we are celibrating honorable Islam's defeat of the fundamentalist terrorist Imam's hiding amongst the faithful muslims around the world.

We can't have our cake and eat it, too.

"It is the disquise muslim use to infiltrate .. Chrsitains call it a wolf in sheep's clothing.. i.e. the devil posing as a Christian."

No, this Christian calls it overt racism and fear mongering...both of which are occurring because Obama's black. These right wing fanatics just need some sort of latch issue they can keep repeating to the masses in the hopes that feeble-minded voters won't research and investigate their lies.

Isn't asking Obama about his faith in the same category as asking him about his sex life? Further, what does it mean about a person when he volunteers information about his sex life? I expect Obama to be nominated for president, but this whole thing about qualifying yourself politically based on your religious beliefs leaves me cold.

America is such a backward country. It sometimes seems that it slumbers in the 17th century. This religious fixation is so depressing and disgusting for a country in the modern world. America is also a fascist country, literally: it worships the symbols of the state, such as the flag. To an outsider, this seems both childish and deeply dangerous.

As for Mr. Obama, he clearly must have known and been friends with Muslims in Indonesia. How awful, to actually be friends with someone from another faith. So many Fundamentalist Christians seem never to read the New Testament, only the Old. In my opinion, such "Christians" are not real Christians at all.

I guess my suggestion that we have a Jesus run as the sole candidate (Independent) isn't gathering much support.

Here's an alternative. Scrap the Republican and Democratic parties--this should engender few objections. Have each religion, denomination organize its own party, run its own candidate and change the government to a parliamentary system.

Special accommodations could be made for extra-terrestrials, who, at present, dominate the media anyway.

" janephil:

"Obama is a muslim. He should come clean. People can see he is a fake. He refuses to wear the American flag pin and gives us all the BS about real patriotism."

Or, he could have been refusing to dress himself up in the blind false patriotism that's brought this country to near-ruin?

And not, point made and/or Swiftboated, he's putting the flag pin on so people who claim he did it because of being a 'secret Muslim' can be shown for *liars?(

" The fact is Islam forbids him from swearing allegiance to anything other than allah."

If that's so, how do figure he expects to be sworn into *office?* Or have you never watched an inauguration?

And, Jerry:

"Obama is being "wright-wronged" by his former (God damn America) pastor and associates."

Interesting. I didn't hear so much outcry when the Religious Right decided to treat *actual* Muslim terrorists as a 'judgment from God' for America not being unjust enough.

And, well, Sok, Angela, ... just, sometimes the boards are slow. It doesn't mean hitting 'submit' repeatedly helps.

Farnaz

RE: Parliamentary system w/religious parties and extra-terrestrial media

What about the atheists?

Mat:

Re: New government organization and electoral process

Of course, the atheists and agnostics would have political parties as well. My own strong recommendation would be that they unite under a single banner so as not to be overwhelmed in Parliament.

It occurs to me that this would be a good time to dispense with the Electoral College.

Funny how Christian conservatives talk about 'majority rules' and silencing Greens one year, and disbanding the Electoral College, it's only fair' when they can't game *that* system by one percent and call it a 'mandate.'

Ruth, you yourself are daft. Talk about conspiracy theorist. Honestly, this country was NOT founded on Christianity, and I'm sick of people like you thinking it was.

And, if he did - God forbid! - have friends or family who were muslim, so what? Let me tell you, Ms. Christian, I grew up in a muslim family, and the funny thing is you wouldn't know it because I don't "look" the part (what the heck is "Muslim garb"?). You might even guess I was a "good Christian," the way I treat people!

My mother attempted to make friends with all our "Christian" neighbors, who were stiff at best. She is a good-hearted individual, someone who would do anything to help anyone.

And, she did! We lived on a steep incline and every now and then there was a handicapped individual who would push his wheelchair up the street. When my mother saw him, she would get her shoes on and help him up the rest of the way.

What did our good Christian neighbors do? You guessed it: nothing. They taught me that Americans are often selfish, hypocritical, cold people who may preach "love thy neighbor" but when it comes time to do it they stay, literally, away.

So you know what? If I wanted a pastor I'd go to church. These politicians need to get their heads out of the bible and into the language of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, and then we can talk.

I think you're right, there, Anonymous. If you have white skin, they assume that anything nice you do is because of Christianity, and call you an 'angel,' but if you show any overt signs of non-Christianity, they figure everything you do is based on some wild scenario of conspiracies and sinister motives.

And, really, I ask you.

If there was a Devil, you figure he'd operate hoping by some slight chance people wouldn't be bigoted and paranoid enough about an Obama, or would he be 'just folks' who are actually rich, warmongering fatcats in cowboy suits starting wars, screwing the poor, calling it 'Godly' to funnel the public wealth and future to the greediest among us, passing off the blame on minorities to 'righteously-hate,' calling it 'Love,' and demanding people ignore little matters like the world we live in going to crap in the process?

If you gotta have devils, that is.

Since when is being a Moslem and being an American mutually exclusive? Last I heard, there was still freedom of religion in this country. Unless the Supreme Court has come out with a new ruling or something.

Or, is everyone implying that only Christians can be good Americans?

I mean, *stop me if I'm getting the Christian mythology wrong here,* or something. But isn't the *Devil* actually the guy supposed to be spreading fear and hate and war and chaos, maybe by telling some rich guy, "Sure, God says 'invade Iraq and show em you're as good as your Dah, it'll be a cakewalk... What's a few lies gonna hurt?"

Not the guy saying, "Hey, if we pull together in spite of our differences, and work hard to care for each other, we can actually make things better?"

I mean... that's what I thought Christians had to say about their Devil.

Obama is a Harvard graduate and first in his class at Harvard law school. Does anyone really believe that he believes that Jesus is the path to ETERNAL life, or that he has dedicated himself to carrying out his works? Certainly when he was listening to the Reverend Wright he must have been confused about what the Rev' Wright thought Jesus' work was. I actually like Obama and think he would make a good President, but this is just plain out pandering. I mean they all do it, and he wants to win. So may as well put Jesus on the team!

Hi, Paganplace,

You said, "Hey, if we pull together in spite of our differences, and work hard to care for each other, we can actually make things better?"

And that is as good a summary of true Christianity as I have ever heard. Love your neighbor - ain't always easy! But we gotta try.

Arminius

Obama is smarter than the vast majority of voters.

He's infinitely smarter and knows more about the Bible than most self styled "Christian" millenialists, who can't tell the King James Bible from The Yellow Pages.

And he's Black.

This triggers every form of inferiority for the crowd with single wide trailers and double wide behinds, and they holler Muslim! because it's more acceptable than n******.

Mat:

RE: Reorganization of government, etc.

Absolutely, the atheists/agnostics must form a party and we must get rid of that dinosaur Electoral College.

However, I am rethinking my earlier proposal. No matter what the atheists/agnostics will be overwhelmed and we'd have dueling religionists, creating a mess for faith-based funding.

Therefore, I recommend that as a condition of candidacy, one must not have been affiliated with a church, synagogue, or mosque for at least five years prior to an election. Further, I think this should be a requirement for all governmental offices and a hiring criterion for government appointments.

Farnaz:

Agreed about atheist/agnostic government. Also the word "Jesus," hereafter referred to as the J word may not be included in any reporting on or discussion of an election.

Farnaz and Anon:

RE: Reorganization of government and exclusion of the "J word"

I think this a highly evolved plan, which should be put before the Congress as soon as possible. In the meantime, Congress can appoint Obama as interim president beginning in January, while suitable atheist/agnostic candidates are located and the media retools to eliminate the J word. Other office holders as well as government appointees with
church, mosque, or synagogue affiliations will be permitted to serve out their terms or contracts.

" Saul, a humble tent maker:

"Obama is a Harvard graduate and first in his class at Harvard law school. Does anyone really believe that he believes that Jesus is the path to ETERNAL life, or that he has dedicated himself to carrying out his works?"

Bush got his way bought into Yale, and went in and out without being able to speak a proper English sentence, and was a member of Skull and Bones...

Do you want an 'Eternity' of Bush, or maybe four or eight years of competent government?

What your major damage is about 'Eternity' when you just had your President and crew who claimed 'God Speaks To Me And Says Iraq Will Be A Cakewalk,' and 'The Bible Is my Favorite Book,' and he couldn't get through *eight years* without screwing it all up so badly we'll be picking up the pieces the rest of this incarnation, I just dunno.

This ain't about eternity, even if you love the contents of your own head enough you want to live with them for billions of years on end and on until 'eternity.'

Pardon us mortals.

What makes people think Obama is a Muslim is that he has a Muslim name: Barack Hussein. It is an Arabic name but not used much by non-Muslim Arabs, i.e., Christian Arabs. No amount of denial will change this.

erry write:

Roy, "swift-boating" is so last-election.

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Oh, really? You don't think spreading lies that Obama is Muslim, gay or god only knows what else is not "swift-boating" Same mentality - same expected result - same Rovians.

In the Islamic world Obama would be a Muslim - in Egypt he would land himself in prison, would likely be tortured and have his travel documents removed if he went round and said he was a Christian - it would be illegal for him to go to church - and by publicly pronouncing his Christian beliefs and faith - he would have been likely killed.

That's the Islamic world (which we are supposed to understand more) - but in the free world - Barack Obama is free to say - I have been going to church for twenty years - I have married as a Christian - I have raised my children Christian - and I am free to believe and to practise the religion of my choosing.

Either we are going to use the rules of the Islamic world - where even if your father converted to Islamic for one month and changed back - and you lived your whole life as a Christian - in the Islamic world - under the Islamic law you would still be Muslim. Or we are going to have the freedom of religion.

I am totally with Obama on this one. I fear though that the Muslims will try to use Obama to make political gains. As the writer pointed out - it is not so much about Muslims practising their religion peacefully - it is about Muslim trying to bring the country under Islamic law - because they feel it's their religious duty and that this code of living is right for everyone.

It is a fact that Muslim countries under Islamic law are not free - and there - rights for women and religious minorities are often overlooked or suppressed. I think - with all due respect to Islam as a personal religion - we would be wholeheartedly against any move to Islamize the country or any western nation for that matter.

In the Islamic world Obama would be a Muslim - in Egypt he would land himself in prison, would likely be tortured and have his travel documents removed if he went round and said he was a Christian - it would be illegal for him to go to church - and by publicly pronouncing his Christian beliefs and faith - he would have been likely killed.

That's the Islamic world (which we are supposed to understand more) - but in the free world - Barack Obama is free to say - I have been going to church for twenty years - I have married as a Christian - I have raised my children Christian - and I am free to believe and to practise the religion of my choosing.

Either we are going to use the rules of the Islamic world - where even if your father converted to Islamic for one month and changed back - and you lived your whole life as a Christian - in the Islamic world - under the Islamic law you would still be Muslim. Or we are going to have the freedom of religion.

I am totally with Obama on this one. I fear though that the Muslims will try to use Obama to make political gains. As the writer pointed out - it is not so much about Muslims practising their religion peacefully - it is about Muslim trying to bring the country under Islamic law - because they feel it's their religious duty and that this code of living is right for everyone.

It is a fact that Muslim countries under Islamic law are not free - and there - rights for women and religious minorities are often overlooked or suppressed. I think - with all due respect to Islam as a personal religion - we would be wholeheartedly against any move to Islamize the country or any western nation for that matter.

Farnaz would not tolerate the removal of the "J" word as in Jew but only as in Jesus. Strange logic. Christians and Jews get along well enough in the US, but Farnaz seems not to notice.

There will be Islamic Empire but not in USA,
See:
http://www.newislamicempire.com/

Janephil,

Your comment: The fact is Islam forbids him from swearing allegiance to anything other than Allah.

That's true, but it's also true that for the Christian or Jew, God also comes first. You must choose between God or the world, you can't straddle the divide between them, as most American Christians do. That's made pretty clear through both the Old and New Testaments. If many of the so-called Christians in this country actually lived like Christ called them to, we wouldn't have this frightening thing called civil religion, where people of faith substitute nationalism and patriotism for a real commitment to God, who calls us to do many things that are in direct conflict with the weak cultural faith so often practiced.

By the way, If Obama was a real Manchurian candidate, like many hysterical conspiracy theorists seem to believe, don't you think his "handlers" would have picked a far less obvious person, one with a spotless background and no ties to Islam? A conspiracy of that nature takes years to plan and unfold. Don't you think our security agencies have done their job vetting his background? I'd bet they've spent many millions of dollars searching into it and have yet to turn up anything that would indicate he's an Islamic "plant."

Athena asks:
"Or, is everyone implying that only Christians can be good Americans?"
No! No! No! That is not what is meant. Anybody could be a good American except the true believing Muslims. A Muslims could be born in China, Russia or America, but would never be Chinese, Russian or American. A truly believing Muslim owes his or her allegiance only to the Umma. This is the community ruled according to the Islamic Sharia and headed by a Khalifa who is Allah’s representative on earth. This is why many Muslims are openly calling for the revocation of the US constitution in favor of the nonesense they call Sunna and why the the vast majority of mosques in this country never display the American flag anywhere on its premises. Got it?

Saul says:

"Obama is a Harvard graduate,...
Does anyone really believe that he believes that Jesus is the path to ETERNAL life,"
I along with many Harvard and better than Harvard graduates do. The more we learn the more we believe.

If "true believing Muslims" can't give allegiance to a country, then how come one of the mosques over on New Hampshire Avenue has a huge American flag hanging off of the side? You people sound like the Know-Nothings back in the 1800s who said that Catholics can't be Americans because they owe their allegiance to the Pope rather than to America.

Besides, the Constitution states that there shall be no religious tests for public office. Get over it.

Actually he is not Muslim. No Muslim recognizes him as Muslim, I don't recognize him as Muslim, just a politician who wants to separate himself from us so that the Jews and Evangelicals won't vote against him. Let me expalin before you deem me anti-Semitic or anti-Christian:

The Jewish base has been loyally Democrat (Pat Buchanan in 2000 doesn't count) and this is a base that Hilary Clinton won, and Obama might lose because AIPAC and other Zionists thinks he'll support things like human rights for Palestinians and won't be so cozy and protective of Israel ,and who are perceived to have extensive political power. By invoking Jesus and Faith Based Initiatives, he is trying to reach out to those evangelicals who don't like McCain. He has a chance to steal the base that put Bush in office. I don't blame him politically for wanting to separate himself from us. However, it doesn't feel good to be a target of xenophobia, especially towards American Muslims like me, who are as American as apple pie and baseball (and love this country about as much as apple pie, yum!) but are shunned by xenophobes because of our religious beliefs.

And about Muslims not being loyal to any nation, I respond by saying the age of nationalism is over and no one should hold such fervent, zealous allegiance to an invented entity, no matter for what reason. This is the age of globalization and being nationalistic doesn't make sense in any context.
If my country is acting in a manner that is un-Islamic (i.e. enforcing segregation against blacks) it is my duty to point out and fight the injustice.
We are a religion of one nation but a religion with adherents of many nations, from the US to Indonesia, on all seven continents. Our religion transcends nationalism and and divisions. This is the Islam I believe in. This is the religion I converted to.

*We are a religion of one nation but a religion with adherents of many nations*

Meant to say: We are a religion NOT of one nation but a religion with adherents of many nations

Again, If the Swiftboaters say Obama is a secret Muslim, and that Islam can't swear allegiance to anything, how do they expect Obama to get sworn into office, in this nefarious scheme they've dreamed up?

Mr. Waters: When it comes to his faith, Barack Obama -- probably the most biblically literate major party presidential candidate since William Jennings Bryan, certainly since Jimmy Carter -- continues to find himself between a rock and a Kaaba.

I agree that Obama is probably "most comfortable" using biblical language, and is literate in the Bible. Yet your assertion, "since William Jennings Bryan" is also arguably not true:

Jimmy Carter teaches SS and Bible virtually every week, did while he was in the White House.

Bill Clinton, while an "obvious sinner" not only "carried" his Bible to Church, but could converse quite well about Theology, especially Reinhold Niebuhr.

We should not forget Woodrow Wilson, son of a Presbyterian minister, and nemesis of William Jennings Bryan, certifiably based (too much so?) his Foreign Policy on his religious beliefs.

Wilson did give some good advice for us today:

"It does not become America that within her borders, where every man is free to follow the dictates of his conscience, men should raise the cry of church against church. To do that is to strike at the very spirit and heart of America." -- speech, 4 November 1915

So, bloggers, follow the dictates of your conscience, but lift up the freedom of all Americans, Christian, Muslim, atheist, and, as Lyndon Johnson was fond of quoting Isaiah, "come let us reason together."

Anyone reading the web page of Obama's Chicago Trinity United Church of Christ would be hard pressed to find much mention of Jesus. His church of 20 years is black separatist and anti 'whitey' and anti middle class values. They quickly took it down after Obama's media made run looked to be successful and then Obama threw Rev Wright and Grandma under the bus and walla here we are. He ran radical left and now is scampering to the center and is on so many sides of issues he has them surrounded. Without a leftist compliant media he would be seen as pathetically under qualified and out of the race.

Oh No did I mention race -- doom on me !

Sister Muslimah, salaam aliakum.

But the USA is an anti-Muslim nation. The only Islamic practices we are allowed is prayer five times a day, to build mosques, skip lunch during Ramdan, eat halal meat and those women wishing to wear burkha or hijab can do so.

Here are some of the anti-Muslim laws and practices that the US law allows:

1) We are not allowed to have four wives. Islam allows four wives at a time. In Islam we can divorce a wife by merely saying "talaaq" three times or sending three "talaaqs" over the cell phone or Internet.

2) Women are equal in the USA to men while the Holy Quran clearly states in Ayat 4:34 that women are inferior to men and husbands have the right to beat their wives for disobedience. If I beat my wife and she went to the police I would be put in jail.

3) The testimony of women is equal to that of men whereas Islam clearly states in the Holy Quran that the testimony of women is worth half that of the man.

4) Slavery is banned but Islam allows slavery. Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon His Soul) had slaves including two slave concubines Rayhana and Maria. Maria bore him his only male child. The Holy Prophet did not marry Rayhana or Maria because they did not become Muslims. He was a very tolerant man.

5) According to Islamic law the legal age for a man to have sex with a female is right after she has her first period. Hadrat Aisha was only 6 when the Prophet married her and 9 when he had sexual intercourse with her. In the USA that would be a serious crime.

Our only recourse is to leave the USA and live in an Islamic country like Saudi Arabia or Yemen where Sharia is law.

I would like to read your response.

Muslimah says:
“If my country is acting in a manner that is un-Islamic (i.e. enforcing segregation against blacks) it is my duty to point out and fight the injustice.”

Does thart mean that segregation of Blacks is un-Islamic?
Let us take the example of Sudan in Africa. The Northern half of that country is a hybrid race of Arabs and Blacks , whose religion is Islam. The Southern half are Negroid races who belong to many tribes and are not Muslims; some are Christian but most are animists. The people of the North refer to the Southerners as Abeed (Slaves) and the people of the South refer to the Northerners as Jallaba (Slave traders). There is a historical reason for that nomenclature. Segregation was the least of the Southern people's problems. People in the South of Sudan are to this day rounded up and sold as slaves in the slave markets of Jedda, the cradle of Islam and Omdurman in Sudan. A few months ago an American missionary bought a whole tribe of slaves from a Northerner slaver to set them free only to learn a few weeks later that most were recaptured by the Muslims who identify themselves as Arabs and who tried to resell them.
The most notorious slave trader that the world had ever known was Mohammad Ali, the founder of the Egyptian dynasty that ended in 1952 with the abdication of King Farouk. Ali invaded Sudan early in the 19th Century mainly to enrich his regime from the slave trade. All those fancy castles built by the Kings of that dynasty that compete even today with the finest in the world were built with slave money.

Ahmed,

Dude, your response is ridiculous. Are you trying to defend these absolutely descriptions of the horrible inhumane treatment of the female gender? I hope it was just sarcastic, or you just proved a lot of non-muslims right. I mean, what you described is no way to treat any human being. It sounds like the opposite of enlightenment to me. If all of this is true, I gotta ask...why would anybody with any conscience at all, treat woman like this? Are you scared of them or something? I just don't get it. Why would any thinking human being obey these rules

The NYT correctly pointed out that Obama was assigned to Rev Wright's church so he can work in the black community. That was the reason he was hired. It is hard to say he chose Christian church by his free will. I am surprise he came out of that church and became a fervent Christian, but politicians lie, do they?

Allah spoke through the Holy Quran and acted through the Holy Prophet. That is the truth.

Re: Ahmed
I do not believe anybody living now and in this country and who speaks English, like Ahmed, would truly believe what he claimed to believe in . I think he simply wanted to shock us and it looks like he succeeded.

I have nothing but pity for you Hamed as you have forgotten the word and instead follow the mes sager as about all humans have done.They very quickly forget what was taught.
They and us all think that we have the only word of God.
I say never let someone do your thinking for you.
Go back as far as you can and read or have someone read for you what the real words said.
If the christian would look right front of them is the lord's prayer when we pray about forgiving trespass and and say that we want things as they are in Heaven,we never stop to think what we just asked for.We as a people can have that but to think it is going to be a cloud and trumpets that will never happen!!As we make no effort to do what it would take to make that happen.
I am going to do a very simple quoting of the faiths Buddhism--Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful.
Judaism--What is hateful to you do not to your fellow man.That is the entire law;all the rest is commentary.
Christianity--Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Islam--No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself.
Baha'i Faith--Blessed he who preferredh his brother before himself.

I wonder that Obama has said nothing about the three million Middle Eastern Jews in exile, of which I am one. My family lived in Iran since the middle ages.
Like so many others, we fled in the middle of the night. Now, there are very few of us, maybe a handful left there, and fewer in other Muslim lands.

When will we be allowed to return to our homes? And, in the meanwhile, what is Obama planning to do about the Bahai in Iran, who number more than 1,000,000 and whose plight is considered dire by the UN?

MPAC getting in the way? Arab oil money?

Obama's Muslim Connections

While not denying the basic facts about his Muslim connections, Obama and his defenders parse words, Clintonesque style, in a blatant attempt to discredit anyone who raises the issue. It's important to scrutinize Obama's Muslim background to determine if his Islamic past influences his decisions and actions toward America, including his decision to select an anti-American pastor as his spiritual advisor.

Obama readily exhibits his disdain for our country by refusing to wear an American flag lapel pin, and the video showing him making this anti-American declaration can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related. Obama was also photographed with his back turned to our flag and his hands clasped defiantly in front of him during the saying of the pledge of allegiance, and that video can be seen at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtsJufVs5Y&feature=related. Now that his relationship with Rev. Wright has been exposed, Obama is trying to deceive the public by giving speeches with American flags being used as props in the background.

To more fully understand the extent of Obama's Muslim experiences and how this connection influences his attitude about America, we need to examine some basic, undisputed facts.

Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, and his full name is Barack Hussein Obama. He is named after his father who was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Alego, Kenya. Obama's father was raised as a Muslim and married a white American woman, Anna Dunham of Wichita, Kansas while both were students at the University of Hawaii. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old, and when he was six years old, his mother married an Indonesian oil company executive named Lolo Soetoro, who was also a Muslim and who introduced Obama to Islam.

The family moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, where they lived for five years from1968 through 1973. Obama first attended a Catholic school for three years. In that school's documents, Obama is listed under the name Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen, and his religion is listed as Islam. Later, Obama attended a Muslim school where he received Islamic religious training before he was sent back to America to live with his maternal grandmother while his mother and his half-sister, Maya, stayed in Indonesia.

Obama's half brothers and sisters in Nairobi, Kenya are Muslims. His step-grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, is a lifelong Muslim who said: "I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith." In an April 30, 2007 New York Times interview, Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng who now lives in Hawaii, said: "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim."

Obama, while describing his 1992 wedding, admitted that he was proud of his brother, Roy, who chose Islam over Christianity. "The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam, and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol."

If Obama were not a Muslim from the time his religion was recorded in Indonesia as Islam until he "converted" to Christianity, then what was he for 27 years? We, as citizens, have a right to know this information about the man who wants to be our next president.

OMG. Give us a freaking baby wipe media break. Paleeeeze. This guy is an ego maniac. Everything to everybody. But especially the black like me "gimmie" vote.

This guy thinks the Presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth is a rock show. Somebody tell him and his baby wipe media that the concert is NOT SOLD OUT !

Jesus would agree - this man is NOT the second or even the TWELFTH coming. He is a done nothing dolittle you heard nothing about until the boys club wanted a puppet.

FOOLS ALL.

But not the Small Town Bitter White Folk

The Democratic STBWF have been seeing through crap like this since the beginning of time iteself.

Obama is CHANGE you can barely keep track of.

Much less BELIEVE in.

Get a grip. This is a David Axelrod Production.

And the commercial Americans are buying it - wholseale.

But not the STBWF. Weze brighter. Like Whoopie and Maya.

50% - count em.

Stay at home Democrats in November.

We have MUCH higher standards than this guy.

"BELIEVE" THAT !!

CaliforniaMarty-

Have you ever heard of Amendment
Six of the US Constitution:

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but NO RELIGIOUS TEST shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." (emphasis mine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_VI_of_the_United_States_Constitution

Your post is implying that an American Muslim is automatically a traitor to his country. Its bigotry was exceeded only by its stupidity. I'm surprised you didn't accuse Obama of being the Anti-Christ.

Feh.

When, incidentally, are we going to get an explanation of why the majority of Obama's advisors are former Carter appointees, most notably Zbignew Brezinski, the eighty-year-old dinasour of the Iran hostage crisis, of Ayatollah Homeini?

This would be the same Brezinski of the Camp David "Peace Accords," responsible for the horror in the Middle East now, from which it is doubtful we will recover. This is the Brezinski who gave us Mubarak, that wretch, who pockets five billion dollars of our tax money while Egyptians literally starve in an international food shortage.

This would be the Brezinski that recently went to Syria, but, oh, excuse me, Obama didn't know.

I could not care less what religion Barack Obama adheres to. Personally, I would be happiest if he were an atheist. What I do care about is first, his Carterite staff of advisors, and second his flip-flopping. One Carter presidency was more than enough, way more. Explanationa sre due.

Oh, good grief! Where have these people been? Interview with and pictures of the school that Barak Obama attended in Indonesia have been all over the news for at least a month now. Pictures of boys AND GIRLS in neat, plaid, western-style uniforms. The reporters have interviewed the administrator of the school who says it hasn't changed much since Obama attended. There have even been photos of Obama as a child in a group picture with the others in his class. There are both boys and girls and they are wearing western -style clothing. Incidentally, the school administrator emphasized that this is and was a public school, and as such, does not teach religion. What does it take to debunk the idiocy?

I am quite confused by some of these comments. Christians (especially Evangelicals, as the name suggests) spend a lot of their time, talents and treasure spreading the good news about Jesus to those who are not Christians. The point of this effort -- I thought -- was to get people who had been raised in other faith traditions, or who had otherwise not accepted Jesus into their lives, to turn to Christ and thus become Christians. Yet some of these posts seem to take the position that if you were raised in a different religious environment, that somehow disqualifies you from becoming a "real" Christian later. This point of view would seem to make all of the missionary work that goes on around the world rather futile. And it seems quite inconsistent with the Christian experience over almost 2000 years - at least as far back as the Apostle Paul. Often, as with Paul, those who consciously choose Christianity as adults are stronger in their faith than those who simply never question the religion they were "brought up" to believe.

If one thinks that Obama's faith is important to determining whether he would make a good President, the issue should not be the details of his childhood, but rather the sincerity and completeness of his embrace of Christianity as an adult. Looking at the circumstances of his joining his church, the beliefs of that church, and his relationship with Reverend Wright may be relevant to that inquiry. But the details of his family and childhood are not, any more than we could say that Paul was a suspect Christian because he came late to the party.

Only God can know for sure whether any person's professed faith is genuine. I can say that Obama seems significantly more conversant with theological matters than he would need to be if he had just joined a church for political purposes. (That's true even if you think his interpretations are wrong.) I can also say that I have seen no evidence to suggest that McCain is a more committed Christian than Obama. And I think that having had exposure to other faiths and traditions is probably a useful thing for a President. Being able to understand where others are coming from seems like a good thing, whether those others are friends or enemies.

Has Obama read the Biblical statement which goes something like this?: What is the point in winnng the whole world while losing your own soul?

Has Obama read the Biblical statement which goes something like this?: What is the point in winnng the whole world while losing your own soul?

Farnaz:

I wonder that Obama has said nothing about the three million Middle Eastern Jews in exile, of which I am one. My family lived in Iran since the middle ages. Like so many others, we fled in the middle of the night. Now, there are very few of us, maybe a handful left there, and fewer in other Muslim lands.

When will we be allowed to return to our homes? And, in the meanwhile, what is Obama planning to do about the Bahai in Iran, who number more than 1,000,000 and whose plight is considered dire by the UN?

MPAC getting in the way? Arab oil money?

July 8, 2008 10:31 PM

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Absolutely the most important priority now for Senator Obama. After all the world has only a little over six billion people with their concerns.

Farnaz, apply to the Israeli government as a Jew and seek to live in Israel. It is a better option than Iran. You can always move back to Iran when the people of Iran succeed in changing the situation in their own country.

Once again, "poor Obama"!

C'mon.

There is no doubt Obama has Moslem roots.
Whether or not he was a Moslem who converted to Christianity or he is a child of a Moslem, he has Moslem roots.

The concern people have is that at a time when we are struggling against Moslem extremists, someone with Moslem roots would be/could be a sympathizer.

That's pretty simple. And that's the issue that Obama should be addressing forthrightly.

Instead, he goes through lots of circumlocutions to identify as Christian, with lots of caveats about which church, which pastor, etc.

Lots of us in this country are not Christian, and his carrying on about his holier-than-thou Christianity is particularly not endearing - and pretty absurd

OK, so now Obama is verging on the evangelical in his behavior and zealousness.

I mean, how unprincipled and ambitious can you get! Or maybe this guy has a serious identity crisis. Maybe he is being reborn as a (fill in the blank). Dear God, help this guy!

Whatever...not my president!

While I do not believe he is a Muslim, I do know he attended a day school in Indonesia run by the Muslims. Therefore, he does have some "roots" in Islam that he can't deny. He should address the false accusations that he is Muslim straight up, lest something come back and bite him later on that would be more detrimental than the beliefs of many that he actually is a Muslim. No matter what, he will lose the vote of the segment of our population that is entrenched in the belief that he is Muslim, that is a given. However, there is still a chance he might be able to sway another segment of the population who hears the rumors, don't know what to believe, and are waiting for him to address this issue. I believe the majority of people, whether they are going to vote for him or not, recognize that he is not Muslim.

"socrates3333:
While I do not believe he is a Muslim, I do know he attended a day school in Indonesia run by the Muslims. Therefore, he does have some "roots" in Islam that he can't deny."

You're actually wrong about that. While it is true that Indonesia is a majorily Muslim society, Barack Obama was actually enrolled in a Catholic school while there. I can't remember where I read that but I'll find my source and repost exactly what it says.

This article and its resulting posts are a result of a bunch of ignorant rednecks watching and believing too much Fox News.

Referring back to Farnaz, Obama's religion is what will win him his campaign. No offense but an atheist would not care about his religion but, those who know the truth about Jesus would know that his faith is the only thing that can get us out of some of the mess we are in now. We will never get away for the prophesy so even though you do not believe you may want to "saddle up" and get readya because there is a time where all shall bow.

To those who keep mentining that Obama went to a muslim school is bringing up irrelevant information. Christians live in an ungodly world but they are still a peculiar being.

Barak Obama is not a Christian or a Muslim. He's plain and simple a Moron.

All you witless simple-minded boneheads who are worried about his religion should be realizing that his faith is inconsequential in comparison to his lack of truthfulness and total lack of brainpower to actually run the country.

Even Bin Laden would be a more experienced executive than the one term Senator from Illinois.

fr Ruth:

>...Are we all daft????Obama spent age 2 through 12 in a muslim land with muslim friends and attended a muslim school..These are the formative years of a person life..Islam is written deep in his heart...He recited the shahada in Arabic last year in the presence of a newspaperman..He likes muslim garb and wears it often..

I've often thought that Muslim garb on men looks quite comfortable.

Oh, and Senator Obama is NOT Muslim. He is a Christian, belonging to the United Church of Christ.

fr Ruth:

>...Are we all daft????Obama spent age 2 through 12 in a muslim land with muslim friends and attended a muslim school..These are the formative years of a person life..Islam is written deep in his heart...He recited the shahada in Arabic last year in the presence of a newspaperman..He likes muslim garb and wears it often..

I've often thought that Muslim garb on men looks quite comfortable.

Oh, and Senator Obama is NOT Muslim. He is a Christian, belonging to the United Church of Christ.

"You're actually wrong about that. While it is true that Indonesia is a majorily Muslim society, Barack Obama was actually enrolled in a Catholic school while there. I can't remember where I read that but I'll find my source and repost exactly what it says."

Monica
Socrates is correct. While in Indonesia Obama attended both a Catholic and a state (Muslim) school. And I read it in his book "Dreams From My Father" written by Barack Obama.

You may have read a Time or Newsweek cover story that mentions the Catholic school but neglected to mention the muslim school.

However, I don't believe that a brief exposure to Islam as a child gives Obama muslim "roots" anymore than it gives him Catholic "roots."

"You're actually wrong about that. While it is true that Indonesia is a majorily Muslim society, Barack Obama was actually enrolled in a Catholic school while there. I can't remember where I read that but I'll find my source and repost exactly what it says."

Monica
Socrates is correct. While in Indonesia Obama attended both a Catholic and a state (Muslim) school. And I read it in his book "Dreams From My Father" written by Barack Obama.

You may have read a Time or Newsweek cover story that mentions the Catholic school but neglected to mention the muslim school.

However, I don't believe that a brief exposure to Islam as a child gives Obama muslim "roots" anymore than it gives him Catholic "roots."

Barak Obama is no disciple of mine! Vote for McCain.

"You're actually wrong about that. While it is true that Indonesia is a majorily Muslim society, Barack Obama was actually enrolled in a Catholic school while there. I can't remember where I read that but I'll find my source and repost exactly what it says."

Monica
Socrates is correct. While in Indonesia Obama attended both a Catholic and a state (Muslim) school. And I read it in his book "Dreams From My Father" written by Barack Obama.

You may have read a Time or Newsweek cover story that mentions the Catholic school but neglected to mention the muslim school.

However, I don't believe that a brief exposure to Islam as a child gives Obama muslim "roots" anymore than it gives him Catholic "roots."

"You're actually wrong about that. While it is true that Indonesia is a majorily Muslim society, Barack Obama was actually enrolled in a Catholic school while there. I can't remember where I read that but I'll find my source and repost exactly what it says."

Monica
Socrates is correct. While in Indonesia Obama attended both a Catholic and a state (Muslim) school. And I read it in his book "Dreams From My Father" written by Barack Obama.

You may have read a Time or Newsweek cover story that mentions the Catholic school but neglected to mention the muslim school.

However, I don't believe that a brief exposure to Islam as a child gives Obama muslim "roots" anymore than it gives him Catholic "roots."

Anon:

You wrote to Farnaz: "Farnaz, apply to the Israeli government as a Jew and seek to live in Israel. It is a better option than Iran. You can always move back to Iran when the people of Iran succeed in changing the situation in their own country."

July 9, 2008 3:48 AM

This is a senseless comment no matter how you look at it. Check your gas bill lately? Do you think the War and Iran's oil cutback have something to do with it?

I don't see why you say Farnaz should move to Israel or anywhere else he doesn't want to go. We're all in this together. I suggest YOU MOVE to Iran. That would be a good place for someone as narrow-minded, bigoted, and undemocratic as you to live. We have too many jerks here already.

Anon:

You wrote to Farnaz: "Farnaz, apply to the Israeli government as a Jew and seek to live in Israel. It is a better option than Iran. You can always move back to Iran when the people of Iran succeed in changing the situation in their own country."

July 9, 2008 3:48 AM

This is a senseless comment no matter how you look at it. Check your gas bill lately? Do you think the War and Iran's oil cutback have something to do with it?

I don't see why you say Farnaz should move to Israel or anywhere else he doesn't want to go. We're all in this together. I suggest YOU MOVE to Iran. That would be a good place for someone as narrow-minded, bigoted, and undemocratic as you to live. We have too many jerks here already.

Dale and Anon:

Farnaz is female and has told a history of her family barely escaping Iran's anti-Semitism. She has lived in America for many years- but hates America and has accused her fellow NYers of anti-Semitism too- (including her own rape in NYC with the rapist calling her "Jew Btch" and her daughter having her front teeth knocked out for being Jewish). Maybe Dale is right.

George Franklin - and I suppose you base these observations regarding Obama on your own towering intellect?

Look before you leap George - you kind of let the cat out of the bag with this inane post of yours.

Gandhi said that he would be a christian if it weren't for Christians. (paraphrase) I love Jesus and I am praying that He will correct His children. The mean, hate-filled, filth coming from people who claim to love the Lord makes my heart ache.

Father in heaven please remind us to show YOUR love in every situation, including our politics. If Barack Obama says that he is a Christian, then he is. We as Christians should follow the scripture and judge him. If he's wrong, simply say that he's wrong with the love and purity of the Holy Spirit. To question is "heart" and commitment to Christ is wrong and I pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit upon you.

auto-

George is right-

We can't afford four years of inexperienced flip-flopping. Remember the Jimmy (I've lusted in my heart) Carter years?

Ivy-

Do you agree with Barack Obama's position on ABORTION and GAY MARRIAGE? As a Christian I cannot vote for him.

Say what you will about Obama. McSame is a disaster waiting to happen....8 more years of Bush and beyond. The prospects are too gruesome to contemplate.

McCain is not only the oldest candidate ever, but is the least competent candidate fielded by the GOP in many years, and that's not saying much.....folks complain about Carter, but the fact is, the USA has been in a slow decline since Nixon came to office. And with each successive republican president, matters have gotten worse.

Bush has come close to breaking the bank and turning the Constitution on it's head. McCain could be expected to finish the job by carrying a never-ending Iraq war to Iran, and by loading the Supreme Court with more ultra-conservative judges. Big Business will be handed the reins of government gift-wrapped, compliments of McCain.

Hopefully democrats will dominate decisively after the next election - it's our only possible salvation.

Government free of religious influence should be a major long-term goal in the years ahead.

Dale, Anonymous, and Just a Minute:

I don't know who Farnaz is, but if what Just a Minute says is true it only goes to show that Dale gave Anonymous good advice. In other words, I agree with Just a Minute. I think it's a sad indictment of America that a woman had to leave her native country, come here, and then had to deal with horrific violence against herself and her daughter. What does that say about us as Americans? Maybe, we need to figure out what to do about anti-Semitism here.

Love your rapist or leave America, Anonymous? Yup, Dale's right. Anonymous should go to Iran. I think that's probably the best place to be for any American who thinks like Anonymous does.

Dale, Anonymous, and Just a Minute:

I don't know who Farnaz is, but if what Just a Minute says is true it only goes to show that Dale gave Anonymous good advice. In other words, I agree with Just a Minute. I think it's a sad indictment of America that a woman had to leave her native country, come here, and then had to deal with horrific violence against herself and her daughter. What does that say about us as Americans? Maybe, we need to figure out what to do about anti-Semitism here.

Love your rapist or leave America, Anonymous? Yup, Dale's right. Anonymous should go to Iran. I think that's probably the best place to be for any American who thinks like Anonymous does.

"Hopefully democrats will dominate decisively after the next election"

auto puh-leeze-

The Congressional Approval Rating reaches a new record low-- 9%

from LA Times:

"Good thing America's dissatisfied voters took control of Congress away from that other crowd two years ago. Because since the new party took over, congressional approval ratings have plummeted to tie a historical low.

Say what?

Weren't the outs supposed to fix things on Capitol Hill once they became the ins? And controlled all the investigations? And the agenda? And the committees?

A new poll shows that the percentage of voters who say Congress is doing an excellent or good job has fallen to single digits for the first time in the tracking history of Rasmussen Reports.

Nine percent say that.

Which is down from 11% in May.

Only 3% of independents say Congress is doing a good or excellent job, half the previous month's rating.

A majority of Americans (52%) say House and Senate members are doing a poor job, which ties the record high for that dubious rating.

A whopping 72% believe members of Congress are more interested in furthering their own careers than doing public good. And only 14 of every 100 Americans think senators or representatives are genuinely interested in helping real people.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of their public service."

First of all, Obama supporting gay marriage is a lie, and Christians aren't supposed to lie. See: Ten Commandments.

Secondly, our society's utter disregard for the health and welfare of children is every bit as much a sin as abortion. As is killing innocent children in Iraq.

Jesus didn't say anything about gays, but he talked a lot about greed. Our health care system is proudly based on greed, and basing life-and-death care on someone's income is to spit in the eye of Jesus.

As a born-again Christian, there is no way in Hell I would vote Republican. I don't see how anyone who reads Scripture can do otherwise.

Joe, your statement about Jesus and I guess His apostles never spoke about homosexuality: New Testament:
Luke 9:26; If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

Romans 24-32; 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.Cornithians 6:9; Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.

Corinthians 7:19; 19Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God's commands is what counts.

Joe said-

"First of all, Obama supporting gay marriage is a lie, and Christians aren't supposed to lie. See: Ten Commandments."

I don't agree with slippery position Obama has taken on gay marriage. So you can stop waving the 10 commandments in my face and sit down and give them a reread yourself.

To clarify Obama's position on Gay Marriage:

OBAMA OPPOSES GAY MARRIAGE BAN

Barack Obama is opposing a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in California, taking a liberal stand on an issue in the midst of a move to the center on others in recent weeks.

In a letter sent to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club of San Francisco this week, the Illinois senator said "I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states."

Conservatives in the state are pushing a constitutional amendment following a California Supreme Court decision that overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage. Presumptive GOP nominee John McCain backs the proposed amendment.

Obama aides emphasized he has opposed similar state bans in the past. They said the Illinois senator does not support gay marriage, but believes that federal and state constitutional amendments banning gay marriage can also threaten rights that couples have under civil unions and domestic partnerships, which Obama supports.

Obama quietly announced his stance in a statement in a letter to the Toklas club, a California gay rights group. His position comes as a shift for Democrats, as 2004 presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry backed amendments to ban gay marriage in some of the states in which he campaigned.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/07/02/obama_opposes_gay_marriage_ban.html

Ummmm.... Paul ain't Jesus.

Personally, I think elevating Paul, who never even met Jesus, to an equal level with the Son of God, is a very strange thing indeed.

Paul thought slavery was OK, instructed women to be subservient, and that it was better to be single than married.

Paul was a sinner, no less than you or I or that gay person in the corner.

Joe- you do not understand the Christians you are living among in America. This may leave you confused and upset in November.

Mel,

I know lots of Christians, from both ends of the spectrum, who will be voting for Obama this November.

For many, it's a simple case of asking "Do we really want 4 more years of what we have now?"

Christian or not, that's what it boils down to.

Joe- Then why is Obama doing so much pandering among Christians at the cost of offending his base?

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrzRNJWPgYEArLcxWtJSmGR-3nFgD91M2DAO0

Janet:

Dale, Anonymous, and Just a Minute:

I don't know who Farnaz is, but if what Just a Minute says is true it only goes to show that Dale gave Anonymous good advice. In other words, I agree with Just a Minute. I think it's a sad indictment of America that a woman had to leave her native country, come here, and then had to deal with horrific violence against herself and her daughter. What does that say about us as Americans? Maybe, we need to figure out what to do about anti-Semitism here.

Love your rapist or leave America, Anonymous? Yup, Dale's right. Anonymous should go to Iranst. I think that's probably the best place to be for any American who thinks like Anonymous does.

July 9, 2008 1:26 PM

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It is a good idea to follow Farnaz's comments on all threads - Susan Jacoby's and Claire Hoffman's on George Carlin - before jumping into conclusion about my post. Regime change by the US in Iran so that Farnaz can go back to live there is what I gathered from her post. We have seen how well regime change in Iraq has worked. More of the same kind of "success?" My suggestion was merely that Farnaz should choose *rather* to live in Israel than Iran at this stage; she should wait for people of Iran to change their country so that she can feel safe to return to Iran, her home country. She mentioned wanting to return to Iran and was looking to Senator Obama to address the issue NOW. Israel does care for ALL Jews around the world. So it is not an insult to suggest Farnaz contact the Israeli government to move there. As a Jew who longs for Iran, isn't Isreal a good compromise?

If only someone could explain Farnaz's strong Pakistani Muslim sympathies, I'd be much obliged.

She has lived in the US for eighteen years. She wrote she fled Iran and has lived in Pakistan and India. The largest number of Persian Jews are found in Israel.

Farnaz mentioned that she lived under institutionalized discrimination as a Jew in Iran. Under the rule of Shah Jews seemed to have prospered. After the fall of Shah they suffered, so they fled. How did Farnaz the Jew end up in Pakistan a Muslim country before she came to the US?

Read her posts and be confused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

Do you really think Obama is Christian literate? He states his sin were redeemed. Wrong. Sin is forgiven, people are redeemed. That's pretty basic. I bet even Duwba knows that. Maybe Obama has some level of literacy, its the Wash. Post that's illiterate. If you don't know Christ redeemed you as a Christian, it is doubtful you are a Christian. Only Gods knows for sure, but I am pretty doubtful Obama is Christo centric.

No Obama - no socialism