Editor's Note: Today's guest blogger is On Faith panelist Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite.
From Los Angeles, California to Brooklyn, New York, reports of $5.00 per gallon for gas are becoming common. The burning question for some Americans is, does God care?
Rocky Twyman, a public relations consultant and Seventh Day Adventist, has begun a "Pray at the Pump" movement and held prayer circles at gas stations from coast to coast. This movement began when the national average for gas had yet to break the $4.00 per gallon mark, yet Mr. Twyman is reported not to be discouraged.
The recent publication from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life of their "U.S. Religious Landscape Survey" has elicited much comment on the dramatic finding that Americans are far more open "to a range of religious viewpoints" and are far less "dogmatic" about their religious beliefs than is the common perception. Less attention has been paid to another one of the findings of this study; many Americans believe God answers prayer. "A significant minority of Americans say their prayers result in definite and specific answers from God at least once a month (31%), with nearly one-in-five adults (19%) saying they receive direct answers to specific prayer requests at least once a week."
Given this statistic, the Prayer at the Pump movement seems more logical, or at least consistent. It also seems peculiarly American to some Europeans. As reported in the Washington Post, a German TV network sent a crew to film Twyman and his group praying for cheaper gas. The producer, Johannes Wiebus, commented on this prayerful approach to lowering gas prices: "You've got this issue -- high gas prices -- which is an economic issue, a political issue, but no one in their wildest dreams would make it a religious issue in Germany."
Well, it's a religious issue for some Americans, especially since the same Pew study documents that more than 90% of Americans believe in "God or a universal spirit." It's just not the same religious issue for all Americans. What media antics like those of Twyman accomplish is to "brand" all religion with the most conservative Christian label. Recall that Twyman is a public relations consultant as well as a conservative Christian.
The 90% of Americans who responded that they are religious recognize, however, that there is a wide variety of religious interpretations; that statistic can apply at the pump as well as in the pew. This is wise, as prayer at the pump is an excellent example of why a non-dogmatic approach to religion is realistic.
You can start with the problem that while some Americans are praying for lower gas prices, others, let's presume oil company executives, for example, are most likely praying for higher gas prices. For other Americans, the higher prices are seen as a God-send, since it is forcing people to make more environmentally responsible choices such as walking, biking, taking public transportation or getting rid of that SUV and buying a hybrid. And yet for others, the higher gas prices are a curse. These Americans have to choose whether to feed their families, pay the mortgage or put $100 a week more into the gas tank to get to the low-paying job that is not accessible by public transportation. $5.00 a gallon gas for them is a sin and an offense to a just God.
"We see through a glass darkly," the scriptures remind us. The vast majority of Americans recognize that and it is a sign of a healthy and vibrant religious culture in the U.S. That's the real religious brand.
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Comments (67)
Wow!
For tens of thousands of years, mankind has been collectively praying for and end to war, to famine, to disease, and to see their children grow up healthy and happy. And after literally hundreds of billions of man-hours of prayer...people still die in war, in famines, in epidemics, and mothers still cry over the graves of their children...
But, darn it, we can get god to make gas prices "only" a $1.25 more than last year, rather than $1.50...
Prayer doesn't work. Period. How many thousands of years of failure do you *need*?
August 14, 2008 12:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on August 14, 2008 00:27
I cant's believe I'm reading this. I think this country is in a sad, sad state.
July 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 28, 2008 19:08
....I'm surprised SHE hasn't told Bush to drill anywhere he wants.
July 16, 2008 11:52 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 16, 2008 11:52
These people are making the mistake of praying to the Supreme Being. I pray to a regular being and save about 20 cents per gallon.
July 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 22:31
Am I the only one who reads this and thinks "if these people put half the energy the use praying into improving the efficiency of their homes and cars the price of oil would ACTUALLY fall?"
Imagine if 31% of Americans (the prayer answered monthly consort) inflated their tires and replaced their air filters. Say that for that 20 minutes of work, this third of America increased their fuel efficiency by 2% - a reasonable assumption.
Americans use 320,500,000 gallons per day. (http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html). With an average fuel economy of 24.6 mpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles) that's 7,884,300,000 miles traveled per day. A 2% increase in fuel economy within 1/3 of the population would produce 52,562,000 additional miles traveled on the same gas or reduce gas usage by 2,122,517 gallons per day.
But I'm sure praying helps just as much...
July 15, 2008 11:17 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 11:17
Chip,
"God hasn't stopped war or famine, hasn't cured cancer, can't even design a male that doesn't lose his hair past a certain age, but he's going to intervene to lower gas prices?"
---> To do what you suggest would eliminate free will, wouldn't it? But here's the rub: When God's "cosmos" aligns itself with ours, evil and death will be defeated. Truly something we cannot expect from the myth of Enlightenment.
Athena,
"My advice is stop praying and trade your SUV or V-8 pickup in for a hybrid, and start reading up on peak oil. In the near future, we'll reminisce about how great it was to have $4 a gallon gas"
---> Again, because someone is praying for cheaper gas does not exclude them from doing precisely what you recommend. Do you have firsthand knowledge that the group members are all driving Denali's?
July 15, 2008 10:51 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 10:51
Tim,
Jesus instructed his followers to pray and to be specific when they did so. He did not teach them to pray for only those things they thought God might provide or were worthy of prayer.
Personally, prayer serves two purposes. It allows each of us to be included with God in the plans He has for us and it also frees us from carrying the burdens which we cannot control.
While I am not personally praying for lower gas prices, I'm not sure what the harm is in someone else doing so.
July 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 10:39
I have not met or heard of anyone who thinks $5 per gallon is "a sin and an offense to a just God". Perhaps I just don't understand the way you worded it. How is it a sin? Who is doing the sinning?
July 15, 2008 10:27 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 10:27
Christian wrote: "God did design man -- glad to hear you don't buy that evolution junk science"
Is evolutionary science the only junk science, or are there other areas of science that you consider junk?
Christian wrote: "-- but when He designed Adam, everything was good."
How do you know this? If it was so good, how did a serpent get into the garden. If it was so good, why was there a tree of knowlege to tempt Eve. Actually, why was there a thing called the tree of knowlege? I mean, why would God put something like that there in the garden? He certaily didn't need it, He's omnipotent. It wasn't made for man considering God's anger that man ate from it. So what was its purpose?
Christian wrote: "It was when Adam disobeyed God and brought sin into the world that everything was no longer good, including baldness, cancer, wars, famines, etc."
How do you know this? How can you possibly have famines and war with just two people? How do you know Adam was not bald? How do you know Eve was not created with a cancer in her?
Just curious since NOTHING you said makes any sense or is supported by any evidence.
July 15, 2008 9:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 09:18
While you're on your knees at the pump praying for lower gas prices, get out your tire gauge and check the air in your tires. Under-inflated tires make the engine work harder, burning more gas per mile.
Change your oil and filters according to your car manufacturer's recommended schedule. Clogged, dirty filters and viscous oil make the engine work harder and less efficiently.
Drive 55 on the highway - higher speeds burn more gas per mile. Don't rush up to the red light - slamming on the brakes wastes gas and makes your brakes wear out faster. Inefficient brakes also affect gas mileage. If you see a stale green light, or a yellow light, take your foot off the gas and let inertia start slowing the car as you approach the light. Don't punch the gas to try to make it, then have to put your foot through the floorboard to stop when it goes red just before you reach it.
Higher octane gas burns hotter and faster. Unless you have a sports car with a high performance engine, premium may actually be harming your engine. Fill up with regular.
Right now, trading my car for a hybrid isn't in the budget. But by properly maintaining my 13-year-old Grand Am, I average 26 mpg in town,(even driving home in rush hour traffic every day), 30 on the highway.
Plan that trip to pray at the pump at the same time as other errands you may have in that same area of town. If possible, park in one place and walk from one errand to another.
Better yet, walk, roller skate, ride your bike, or take mass transit to the pump to pray.
July 15, 2008 8:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 08:57
Chip, you wrote, "God hasn't stopped war or famine, hasn't cured cancer, can't even design a male that doesn't lose his hair past a certain age, but he's going to intervene to lower gas prices? Riiiiiiiiight."
God did design man -- glad to hear you don't buy that evolution junk science -- but when He designed Adam, everything was good. It was when Adam disobeyed God and brought sin into the world that everything was no longer good, including baldness, cancer, wars, famines, etc.
However, there is a cure -- believe on the name Jesus Christ, accept his death on the cross as payment for your sins and you will have eternal life. That's what God really cares about -- not gas prices.
July 15, 2008 8:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 08:05
All this praying for things like oil prices to go down is like going up to the top of a 100 story building and praying that if you jump off God will void the laws of gravity and save you supernaturally. Of course, God could do this but he won't and any fool knows better.
Similarly, God is not going to supernaturally void the laws of supply and demand. You might as well get hooked on cocaine and then keep taking that drug while praying for God to lower the price of cocaine because more people are getting hooked each day in China and it is driving the price of cocaine through the roof.
And BTW, many Muslims in the Middle East believe that the reason they have all that oil is because Allah exist and that Allah has blessed them. All that oil proves to them that Islam is superior and therefore they use a lot of the oil money to spread Islam around the world. Most of the Mosques and Islamic work in the West is being financed with oil money.
So while some Christian here in the good old USA prays for the price to go down they are thanking Allah for their record profits. Christians here in America praying for oil prices to go down are a lot like the ancients who prayed for their God to defeat their enemies' God.
There is an invisible force at work here but praying to this force won't change a thing. It is the invisible hand of the market. Supply, with China's demand skyrocketing, outstrips demand and prices will go up.
God is not going to step in and void the laws of supply and demand any more than he would void the law of gravity. Pray for something that God will involve himself with, like your salvation or like the Lord's prayer. The reason we have the Lord's prayer is because the Apostles asked Jesus how to pray. They knew they needed help and so do we.
July 15, 2008 7:19 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 07:19
Ever more public superstition - back to what Seneca said:
"The common folk find religion true,
The wise find it false,
The rulers find it useful."
July 15, 2008 7:07 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 07:07
Earth is a word for "body", and they have two openings in north and south. come on, think St Nicholas Orthodox!
July 15, 2008 6:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:37
to have a healthy vision, to give a shoulder to peace infrastructure, i offer "Teachings of Masters of Far East", by Baird Spalding
July 15, 2008 6:34 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:34
there was a cartoon about Obama and His Wife. are they in communication with Vatican?
Dalai Lama of Tibet, The president of Agartha, has praised islam in these three days. when shall this England Germany USA RUssia Vatican dispute come to an end?
Evolution is within the Members of Unity, we evolve within the environment each time we come to Earth in body, we had begun with a standart vehicle. the shell of the Earth the lands is the body, and Agartha may be referred as a guidance like Shell and Aphrodite!
if we made an accident, it does not mean that we shall not drive again! it has been psychologically medicated, talking after the recent daily law case in Turkey. i know the case between Israel and Vatican.
July 15, 2008 6:31 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:31
in Afghanistan, USA soldiers have been lately attacked, and economy of USA is about to collapse and it seems the economy shall be intentfully dropped by interferences, not much different than World Trade Towers. it seems as if someone or a council is pushing hard on the economy of USA.
the men in the economy seem to be israelian. maybe they shall be purposefully dropped.
July 15, 2008 6:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:20
i think there is a spell or prayer on me, i had to wake up at 1:30 AM, and stayed awake for a long time, i ate fruits and went back to bed. there was an energy or gathering that kept me awake.
this is the conclusion of the text.
some authorities "oil company executives" are keeping the religion not publicly comprehended, is this a complaint to Pentagon or Shell Didim St John teachings?
is petroleum related with DArwin? or is it why religious matters are expensive because of Darwin and Evolution unstudied? while gasoline is oil of dinosours.
"... You can start with the problem that while some Americans are praying for lower gas prices, others, let’s presume oil company executives, for example, are most likely praying for higher gas prices. For other Americans, the higher prices are seen as a God-send, since it is forcing people to make more environmentally responsible choices such as walking, biking, taking public transportation or getting rid of that SUV and buying a hybrid. And yet for others, the higher gas prices are a curse. These Americans have to choose whether to feed their families, pay the mortgage or put $100 a week more into the gas tank to get to the low-paying job that is not accessible by public transportation. $5.00 a gallon gas for them is a sin and an offense to a just God. “We see through a glass darkly,” the scriptures remind us. The vast majority of Americans recognize that and it is a sign of a healthy and vibrant religious culture in the U.S. That’s the real religious brand. ..."
July 15, 2008 6:12 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:12
what i have read in this article is -- every one should pray, priestless, without media, prayer at the pump, in the heart, "call Thomas wherever you kneed" : )
July 15, 2008 6:03 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 06:03
i am not connected, as far as i see this morning, but i liked the words of Patrick Tice, i have better take the bus.
July 15, 2008 5:39 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 05:39
many Americans believe God answers prayer. “A significant minority of Americans say their prayers result in definite and specific answers from God at least once a month (31%), with nearly one-in-five adults (19%) saying they receive direct answers to specific prayer requests at least once a week.”
Given this statistic, the Prayer at the Pump movement seems more logical, or at least consistent.
July 15, 2008 5:30 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 05:30
St Nicholas, from Antalya to Bursa who had gifted "requested and golden coins" through the "chimney into the hearth", had saved two pilgrims in France who had been "pickled in barrels".
lovely, now "gasoline in gallons" are priests. if "shell" is "body", then "Aphrodite in the Shell" is the "holy breath of spirit, with hair and teachings moving, woman".
i am in Yalova, i have missed the sea, and Mom so much. "kim seslendi avukat ya da vekil var mi diye sorunca Gemlik'e git diye? sasirdim dogrusu hukuk fakultesini gorunce. Kocabiyikli Kocalar mi seslendi acaba"
July 15, 2008 5:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 05:25
The price of gasoline is too high but the price of responsibility is not.
Senator Obama's poignant plea to father's across the nation to take responsibiiity for raising their children is welcomed by me. Even though this message was not preached during the time that I was raising my own child, I know that there are children and mothers out there who need both support and appreciation from absent fathers. This missing element in America, where single mothers are left alone to be head of the household, should be rectified. There should be mandatory incarcerations for fathers who chose not to visit and call their children. There should be more severe penalties for failure to pay child support.
Paying child support is not enough. Yes, there are those who will retort, "I paid my child support." My response is, when was the last time you spent a weekend? Were you ever there for a recital, an important school project? Did you ever attend a PTA meeting? Were you there for the birthdays and holidays? Were you there for the graduations?
July 15, 2008 4:47 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 04:47
Read "The Long Emergency". The world is out of oil. Gas prices will never be this cheap again. History will look back on the last 100 years of the combustible engine like the strike of a match that quickly went out.
July 15, 2008 3:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 03:06
Professor Thistlethwaite, your humour inspired, i just scanned. frankness is subject to quantity of wisdom and quality of ability. i have better increase the resolution.
July 15, 2008 2:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 02:42
i dont know if Members of Unity care the priests and ministers, as far as i see they dont much. especially in this Pray at the Pump movement, i care prayers of children and women. i am franciscan.
July 15, 2008 2:33 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 02:33
i shall not talk about ministers and priests, today is 15th of July. His Holiness is in Australia. the month of CERN Experiment.
July 15, 2008 2:25 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 02:25
how much would you gift for a woman lone? would a prayer touch her soul? in stead of cars, driver, could you get three more for vacant seats as in Cuba Chevrolets?
July 15, 2008 2:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 02:18
Lots of good, common sense ideas here on gas prices, even from Spidey. To whit:
a. speculators are driving up the price
b. refining capacity has been cut in an effort to limit the supply of gasoline, thereby raising the price.
c. pumping more oil now doesn't help as it can't be refined
d. $8-a-gallon gas in Europe where many people walk to work can't be compared to $5-a-gallon gas in the USA where the economy has been structured to force people to drive from their residential areas to industrial parks and offices located miles from their homes and mass transit has been effectively marginalized. My round trip is 52 miles a day. Even in my VW Beetle, I'm spending about $10 per day in gas just to get to and from work. When school starts and the taxi service for the kids kicks in, that adds another 10 miles to the day - and our public school system just eliminated school buses as an option (Ah-nold's budget cuts).
Funny how so many people on this board get it about oil and gas while our politicians act clueless. Might they have an agenda...like payback to the oil biggies for the campaign donations?
July 15, 2008 1:47 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 01:47
Seriously, people waste great gobbets of gas thinking going faster then getting annoyed cause they hit a red light is getting them somewhere faster. Everywhere I go, not that I don't much delight in driving, they'll make a great point of stomping that accellerator to pass, and I meet em at every single red light, over and over again.
It's a waste. It's not about *prayer* .....it's about what we do. At least, Athena, you should know we don't pray for something and then do the opposite.
It's not actually even so much about he machine you own. It's also how you drive. Don't accelerate more than you have to, and you beat specs.
July 15, 2008 12:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 00:09
God hasn't stopped war or famine, hasn't cured cancer, can't even design a male that doesn't lose his hair past a certain age, but he's going to intervene to lower gas prices? Riiiiiiiiight.
July 15, 2008 12:05 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 00:05
"My advice is stop praying and trade your SUV or V-8 pickup in for a hybrid, and start reading up on peak oil. In the near future, we'll reminisce about how great it was to have $4 a gallon gas."
Also, just to add my two cents, stop racing to the next *# red light, folks. They're timed. Still. Really. All the time.
You could save a lot of gas by figuring there was some organization involved, and not goosing it only to have to slow down for some unfathomable reason when you reach an intersection.
Really.
July 15, 2008 12:00 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 15, 2008 00:00
Eh, Athena. Just cause the capitalists are 'speculating' doesn't change what's going on.
In America it's been policy to *mandate* gutting the rail systenms to make us all very dependent on the oil industry, ....they whine that they have no control but make record profits while the 'Invisible hand of the sacred market' screws us all, so helplessly.
'Speculators' are irrelevant, they're just the only ones making out on this crisis.
July 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 23:54
OMG. I can't believe that I'm going to say this - I have to agree with Spidey about the oil speculation market driving the higher prices. Although you can add in the weak dollar on the world market to the problem. And drilling more oil isn't going to help the problem. We need more refining capacity. Oil companies have closed refineries so that they can make more money.
I also can't believe that these idiots are praying because of $4 a gallon gas. My friend over in England is paying the equivalent of $8 a gallon. So are people in other parts of Europe.
My advice is stop praying and trade your SUV or V-8 pickup in for a hybrid, and start reading up on peak oil. In the near future, we'll reminisce about how great it was to have $4 a gallon gas.
July 14, 2008 11:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 23:15
So when gas hits $5.00, will the prayerful folk FINALLY realize/admit that prayer does NOT work and FINALLY come to the conclusion that there IS NO cosmic sky monkey... or at least that the one they believe in apparently doesn't like them enough to control the price of gas?
Gotta wonder about these folk.
July 14, 2008 10:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 22:30
Hey, Fate, all these righteous people might get thier wish, after all... I could be running out of the quarter0dose of meds that's been keeping me alive very soon, and thus the 'wicked' will be punished, and they can go right ahead praying to slabs of Ten Commandments and begging gas pumps to lower their prices without no one to get uppity about it...
Onward Christian Soldiers......
July 14, 2008 10:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 22:14
spiderman2 wrote: "Godlessness is a form of insanity. What I mean by godlessness includes false religions too. This oil mess is really cause by the REIGN OF INSANITY AND GREED OVER REASON."
And which religion is not false? Yours by chance? What a coincidence.
The "oil mess" is a bubble, pure and simple, driven by speculation caused by China's rising demand and the US/Israeli/Iranian tensions. There is enough oil in the market to meet demand. The question is future oil and whether there will be enough on the market. But as long as Cheney threatens Iran with Bush's blessing, the prices will stay high and American oil companies will continue to enjoy record profits at the expense of not just the American economy, but the world's.
Now, are Cheney and Bush christians? Is the CEO of Exxnon a christian? BTW, Exxon's CEO makes $50,000 ..... per day! Maybe he could help out by praying at a gas station.
July 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 22:08
Oh. And, pardon if it's too *elitist* to fill your monster-truck's gas tank, but, before you go knuckling under again....
Told you so.
Ready to get to work?
July 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 22:08
Yeah.
Keep praying for lower gas prices.
Maybe the holy oil men you insisted upon electing who protected you from the demonic spectre of public transportation will take pity on you true-believers, and give you some of all the money you so piously gave them.
Keep praying.
July 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 22:04
All this time I thought believers were merely insane. Now I realize they are infantile as well.
And thanks spidey, for always fulfilling my lowest expectations. I sometimes wonder if you are an anti-religious troll, you are such a fine example of why religionists and believers should be seen as mental incomptents.
July 14, 2008 9:58 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 21:58
praying for gas ... you just can't make this stuff up!
excuse me, I'm going to have to change my shorts
haawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
July 14, 2008 9:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 21:52
Brambleton wrote: "I can't speak for Rocky Twyman and his prayer group, but prayer is not mutually exclusive of action. I pray all the time, but that isn't preventing me from budgeting my expenses or taking the necessary action to bolster my economic condition."
Oh I understand that. I was referring to this group wasting time praying at a gas station. Reminds me of Pat Robertson praying to turn a hurricane instead of asking for donations for hurricane relief. Actually, I could see real christians donating gas money to the poor, say working single mothers, but I would not expect to see much of that but it would be more impressive than christians praying at a gas station and would get their prayers answered without the need to beg from God..
July 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 21:43
spiderman2 wrote: "The price of oil is NOT dictated by supply and demand. They are dictated by people who own OIL STOCK CERTIFICATES. These people will be forced to dump their oil stock certificates at a lower price to avoid a mass sell-out (where stock prices shoots down ) in case a legislated price ceiling is made."
Well that was happening last week, then the Israelis threatened to attack Iran, Bush said he was concerned about the nuclear program, and Iran fired a missile test. The price shot back up. If you see prices falling again ask yourself who will do something to raise tensions again and thus maintain a high price. It will certainly come from the oil producing nations, which includes the USA, unless you thought last weeks events were just a coincidence.
July 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 21:30
Godlessness is a form of insanity. What I mean by godlessness includes false religions too. This oil mess is really cause by the REIGN OF INSANITY AND GREED OVER REASON.
The stock market, commodity futures market (oil), or currency trading can be used as a form of gambling too. The mess we have now is the reign of greed over compassion and reason. People continue to hold on to their oil stock certificates despite knowing the downside of it.
Even these bank failures are caused by greed. What the banks were doing to their borrowers just boomerang to them.
The same could happen in the oil market. This oil market would crash soon.
July 14, 2008 6:14 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 18:14
Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the lord my car to keep
If gas should rise before I wake
I pray not miss the bus to take
Excelsior!
July 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 18:02
The price of oil is NOT dictated by supply and demand. They are dictated by people who own OIL STOCK CERTIFICATES. These people will be forced to dump their oil stock certificates at a lower price to avoid a mass sell-out (where stock prices shoots down ) in case a legislated price ceiling is made.
The price ceiling is not necessarily 140 dollars per barrel. It will be set at the time the legislation will be approve. If oil is selling at 150 dollars/barrel for that day, then that would be the ceiling price. NO OIL STOCK CERTIFICATE CAN THEN BE SOLD HIGHER THAN THAT AMOUNT THE NEXT DAY.
The ceiling price for the next other day will then be the selling price for that day. Example : Monday ceiling price=150 dollars/barrel. During the day, it shoots down to 147. Tuesday ceiling price=147. The same day, it shoots down to 140. Wednesday ceiling price=140. Theoretically, the ceiling price goes down depending on the market behavior. It will only go down but never up.
The objective is to squeeze out all the speculators who are just buying oil stocks for gain.
The moment the U.S Congress starts debating about it and be really serious about it, the price of oil would shoot down. The rest of the world would follow suit. Let the speculators know that Congress is not bluffing or else it would just be business as usual.
NOT BUYING GASOLINE WON'T DO YOU ANY GOOD. As I've said, supply and demand is NOT the culprit here.
July 14, 2008 5:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 17:52
The only thing we can be sure of in this idiotic prayer vigil is:
a. if the price of gas happens to fall a bit, the religious will immediately give god credit, or,
b. if the price of gas continues to rise, then the "gas prayer" story will simply be ignored by the faithful and forgotten by the media, OR,
c. when Obama finally puts a sane energy policy in place and the politicians and the scientists do the hard work of finding reasonable and do-able alternatives, the hapless religionists will re-emerge and play their "god moves in mysterious ways...sometimes, it takes awhile for prayers to be answered" card.
July 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 17:27
Brambleton:
"--> Are you not counting Plymouth Rock through the colonial period in your assessment?"
The Pilrims and Puritans were actually not the real founders of America: in fact they were kicked out of England for being *too* theocratic, and with an irony only possble for a Wiccan whose ancestors were in and out of Salem before the tourist thing happened as a result of some capitaist's idea the biggest port in America couldn't comare to Old York...
Well. Your point?
" Guess you're not a big fan of Abe Lincoln, eh? And when Ben Franklin stopped Congress during one of its many fights over the Declaration to recite a prayer asking for God's guidance, I'm assuming you think that he too is a weak and spineless jellyfish?"
Knowing Ben Franklin, who never passed up either the Goddess or common sense in action, I'm guessing the dude who made a life of publishing invective against dogmatism, didn't have too much dogma in mind, except in pointing out hypocrisy.
July 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 17:13
Fate,
I think I understand where you're coming from a bit better.
I can't speak for Rocky Twyman and his prayer group, but prayer is not mutually exclusive of action. I pray all the time, but that isn't preventing me from budgeting my expenses or taking the necessary action to bolster my economic condition.
I think you'd find that most people who pray aren't sitting in their house waiting for a bolt of lightning to solve the world's problems. They continue to do what they need to do in order to survive times like these.
July 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 17:13
Scoodledeedo, let's all pray to Saint Gassius Espumpius.
July 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 17:09
Yes Brambleton, its Clinton's fault too. Feel better now?
As for Abe, Ben and others, their prayers were offered as a crutch as it seems the gas station prayer groups do to help themselves through these tough times.
But my God, there are so many solutions available to an individual. They can make more money by getting a higher paying job or, as I did, get a small second job. They can trade in the SUV for a small hybrid. They can car pool. They can get a programmable thermostat, which is saving me about $50/month this summer offsetting the higher prices I'm paying for gas.
But prayer? That's just tossing a message in a bottle hoping God finds it and thinks you are special enough to answer.
As someone else noted, it was the fervent religious christian zealots who brought Bush to power and now they are the ones praying for help from his policies. The irony would be laughable if it were not so damaging. It might be nice if those praying to God for relief would also hang signs around their necks apologizing for voting for Bush in 2004, when his policies were well known. That might make me feel better.
July 14, 2008 4:54 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 16:54
I have said this many times, but this time it's not hyperbole: This is, bar none, the single stupidest thing I have EVER heard.
What could the excuse possibly be for publishing this astounding idiocy? Just the WORDS "pray at the pump" make me want to laugh and cry, simultaneously, for the plight of humanity.
Have NONE of you any sense of mission? I am one of the few who understand the difference between journalistic reporting and opinion, BUT EVEN SO….? Doesn’t this shame a single one of the people who had to say “yes” to publishing this? Who is you audience – Is it largely the institutionalized?
July 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 16:45
LBE,
You're joking, right?
July 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 16:17
Fate,
"Americans have been known throughout their history to not collapse into slobbery prayer at every little, or major, thing that happens in their lives. They are known for facing adversity and working hard to alleviate it. Prayer was always done at the church or home"
---> Are you not counting Plymouth Rock through the colonial period in your assessment? Guess you're not a big fan of Abe Lincoln, eh? And when Ben Franklin stopped Congress during one of its many fights over the Declaration to recite a prayer asking for God's guidance, I'm assuming you think that he too is a weak and spineless jellyfish?
"Brazil is using its locally developed ethanol after 30 years of development. They got it done. Why didn't we? Because Reagan said there was no problem while Brazil saw the problem and developed a self sufficient ethanol program."
---> Good argument. It's all the fault of Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. Clinton didn't ignore it either, I guess. Maybe Bill was spending so much time fighting terrorism and being faithful to his wife and child. LOL!
July 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 16:13
No.
God does NOT careabout the price of gas.
God DOES care about the criminal and morally corrupt individuals in government and industry who for their own personal gain have for decades promoted irrational, anti-progress, anti-renewable energy and anti-alternative automobile technology policies.
God DOES care that criminals are in the whitehouse.
BLAME THEM AND VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE.
GOD is already planning their eternal homes in HELL.
July 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 16:11
"We see through a glass darkly,” the scriptures remind us."
Then forbid scrying and employ spin doctors, of course.
July 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 15:30
"Rocky Twyman, a public relations consultant and Seventh Day Adventist, has begun a “Pray at the Pump” movement and held prayer circles at gas stations from coast to coast. This movement began when the national average for gas had yet to break the $4.00 per gallon mark, yet Mr. Twyman is reported not to be discouraged."
What a caricature.
Insist upon voting for the man who's never in his life done anything *but* screw up everything *except* making money for oil-men, then pray for cheaper gas.
Keep praying, even if you have to take the bus to get there. *headsmack* No bus system to speak of, there? Sorry, It was a wild and Satanic idea of my anti-Christian heart.
July 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 15:26
pray for anything is good but if you want to reduce the price of oil then congress should remove the commodity of hedge funding. commodies futuers or futures contracts are agreements to buy or sell a commodity- such as buschels of corn or barrels of oil-at a specifc date in the future at a specific price. most everyone reads the newspaper & knows this but the richer get richer & the poor get poorer. Pension funds is responsible for the oil commodies market. too bad that the social security don't get this money as the gov't borrowed money & I doubt that they will repay the money.hedge funds mutual funds & university endowments fundsare buying billions of dollars worth of futures contracts .WAKE UP CONGRESS & CORRECT THE PROBLEM so price of gasoline returens to $1.90 per gal PLUS GET RID OF THE WAR & BRING ALL AMERICANS HOME
July 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 15:09
pray for anything is good but if you want to reduce the price of oil then congress should remove the commodity of hedge funding. commodies futuers or futures contracts are agreements to buy or sell a commodity- such as buschels of corn or barrels of oil-at a specifc date in the future at a specific price. most everyone reads the newspaper & knows this but the richer get richer & the poor get poorer. Pension funds is responsible for the oil commodies market. too bad that the social security don't get this money as the gov't borrowed money & I doubt that they will repay the money.hedge funds mutual funds & university endowments fundsare buying billions of dollars worth of futures contracts .WAKE UP CONGRESS & CORRECT THE PROBLEM so price of gasoline returens to $1.90 per gal PLUS GET RID OF THE WAR & BRING ALL AMERICANS HOME
July 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 15:08
Perhaps they should be praying for understanding and discernment rather than treating God like some giant candy dispenser. This is just as foolish as the Prayer of Jabez.
July 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 14:48
Great idea! I'm going to sacrifice a virgin on top of my ziggurat tonight as an offering to iqwui-jiqwui, ruler of the refined petroleum gods. That should get him to listen.
July 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 14, 2008 14:46