Signs & Wonders: Sharon Stone's Bad Karma

I doubt the 68,000 who died really have much say in the policies of their Country any more than a citizen in America has much say in the policies of their Fearless Leaders.

It is easy for someone deceive their self, especially when insulated at Cannes. Cannes is not in a world where most Americas reside, but live at vicariously from the glitter of television.

Ms. Stone is plain stupid. That's all.

What if she is right? Just like the current USA economic condition stems from the Born Again Killer War Criminal's illegal invasions of sovereign states.

Stone's comments are as nonsensical as Jerry Falwell's after 9/11 (and I happen to like her as an actress).

It's insulting and degrading to all humanity to attribute the catastrophe in China to "karma."

I'd still do her.

Let's see another flash of your "wookie" Sharon!

ALL UNDER HEAVEN IS AN ABODE, WHEN THE OX MAKES SHADOWS WITH HIS DUST IT BODES WELL.
AS THE SHE OX WADES IN THE WATER SHE SINGLES FOR A NEW CALF.
THE TURTLE LOOKS QUIETLY AS THE CRANE DIPS HIS BEAK.
WHEN THE HERD STAMPEDS THE TURTLE HAS MOVED QUICKLY

Sharon who?

What skill, exactly, has Sharon Stone cultivated in the service of humanity? How many children has she taught to read? How many hospices has she visited?

The truth is that Ms. Stone is famous for her acting, or "faking", as I describe it to my 2-year-old. It isn't fair to Ms. Stone or to the chinese to expect her to have her head on her shoulders, when she is bombarded with celebrity status for no work done at all. Stardom is a sham, a racket, and Ms. Stone is an ATM to her producers and network executives. Stupid remarks by her are to be expected and not celebrated.

amir@meetyourworld.com

ALL UNDER HEAVEN IS AN ABODE, WHEN THE OX MAKES SHADOWS WITH HIS DUST IT BODES WELL.
AS THE SHE OX WADES IN THE WATER SHE SINGLES FOR A NEW CALF.
THE TURTLE LOOKS QUIETLY AS THE CRANE DIPS HIS BEAK.
WHEN THE HERD STAMPEDS THE TURTLE HAS MOVED QUICKLY

Nobody cares what Sharon Stone, the real-life Sharon Stone, thinks or says. We don't watch her movies looking for her karma. She has better things to show.

In 1992, She opened her legs to become famous.
This month, She opened her mouth to become infamous.

The earthquake epicenter is located in a Tibetan-inhabited area. By referring karma, Sharon Stone is effectively cursing many Tibetan victims for the divine punishment. Check the Free Tibet web site for more information. The paragraph begins with: “Many people do not realize that the epicenter of the earthquake was in an area of eastern Tibet now ... China's Sichuan province”(www.studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=1528).

Sharon Stone said that the Dalai Lama was her good friend, and "When you're not nice [to him], that bad things happen to you". I think she did not suggest the Dalai Lama made the bad earthquake happened to the Tibetans. Or maybe she did, only if she really believed that his holiness has this kind of power as a living Buddha.

I'm a Chinese and I think the main factor of Sharon Stone's words is the untrue report of some western media on Tibetan problem.

I think the government is doing the right thing..
they are doing their best to protect the Tibetan,
instead of "treating them violently"!!!

she should learn about the TRUTH!!!

The Earthquake should not be associated with religion... Let us associate it with global warming and the shifting of the earth axis and let us let AL gore discuss all these things here in the US because as soon as we might think the disaster in China has been left to memory then ours will soon start, San Francisco are you ready???

Leave her alone already. She's entitled to her opinion. Why does anyone even care what she thinks. Besides, she apoligized already. Why is this an issue? So what? Lighten up.

Stone has every right to her thoughts, but she's foolish to say what she said. If a guy got killed in a car accident and you told his relatives he deserved it, you know what would happen. Stone wouldn't be liked by ordinary Chinese any more.

Tibet is what got Stone in trouble. She thought she knew lots about Tibet but she really doesn't. It appears the Chinese government treats minorities, Tibetans included, better than the majority, at least allowing minorities to have 2,3,4 or 5 kids, but only 1 for the majority.

I'm a Chinese American. I know that the Chinese will never forgive someone as cold as a "Stone".
No matter how she explains what she said, 4 seconds is enough to show her heart.

This is lame...that's not all she said. She followed up right away by saying how wrong she was for thinking that.
This is bizarre that so late after the events, you still don't have the story straight. It is so easy to pick on a stereotype, isn't it. This goes for the original poster and a number of the commenters.

Sharon Stone's basic instinct is to be a total retard.

If what Sharon Stoned said was actually true, wouldn't it have been the Chinese Communist party officials and the privileged of China that would have died instead of the impoverished and downtrodden?

Sam, I think you'll find that the Karma comment was for a print media interview. The one we see on video news is after the storm where she adds that Tibetans had contacted her and told her she should help the Chinese. This is where she said that she had learned her lesson.

It is incredibly inhumane and utterly rude for Sharon Stone to make such outrageous comment about the earthquake. It is extremely unfair to the tens of thousand of people who lost their innocent life and totally injustice to the billions of people who have worked day and night to try to save those life. Humanity will prevail.

well ,i m a chinese girl~~i was just wondering if sharon's opinion could stand for all americans or westerners think about china?

i think the tibet thing also reflects the chinese gov is not ready to deal with the western media nd its people as a rising power~~~china has been a feudal kingdom for 5000 yrs,even with the policy of opening up to the outside world,there r many aspects it need to improve.when the separatists looted the shops,apartment stores,nd killed people in Tibet, the central gov didnt allow the weatern medias to come in nd record what's happening there.While for a long time ,the westerners have always been doubtful about the CCP' gevernance,thinking it's brutal,dictatorship nd people must be suffered a lot without knowing ccp wanted to overturn the serf system even u hated also, not to mention the sex abuse nd corruption by Dalai Lama.

so when the chinese gov kept ur media in the dark,it didnt know it has lost a chance to expose the truth that how Dalai Lama brainwashed the westerners with the so-called human rights ,democracy,nd peace.it's natural that Dalai won their trust.

but if china wants less misunderstandings among the western people,it has to change its way of thinking nd doing~~just as how it behaved in the later 5,12 earthquake in Sichuan~~b open ,expose the truth to the world maybe sometimes it's hurting nd dangerous(some spies pretend to b reporters entering there), but at least there wont b guess nd even hatred toward CCP.

by the way ,a few separatists dont stand for tibetan people

yiyijia1985@yahoo.cn

Actually, Sam, you are right. I misread the story and assumed that the follow-up comment was a reaction to the furore. However, I don't think it improves the comment much. She is still saying "we" should be nice to people who aren't very nice. She still is going with the assumption that the thousands killed had done something wrong.

Come on. Everyone is pretending. What does Sharone want? She wants China to leave Tibet to look after itself. Most Chinese support occupation. They deserve bad things happening to them. Sharon is a winner in the world's number one profession which is not working for NASA but working in Hollywood to influence people in a good way. She does it.

People who are lucky enough to have beautiful faces and an attractive physique and a semblance of acting skills are often under the illusion that their good fortune endows them with wisdom.

Ms. Stone is also the idiot "star in her own mind" who said "kissing Dwight Yoakam was like eating a dirt sandwich," or some such nonsense. Did Ms. Stone think that made her sound clever, when in fact I think she sounded just like a bad-mannered, loud-mouthed person caught up in her own cleverness.

Terry Wong, Long Beach CA

If Stone can use karma on the 68,000 innocent victims of the earthquake disaster then the 68,000 souls can also use karma on her for the rest of her life. The same goes for the Tibetans who supported her. The Chinese will never forget this!

god bless america, china, tibet, iraq, iran, korea, russia, great britain, zimbabwei, mozambique, sudan, antartica, canada, ukraine, india, egypt, israel, saudi arabia, jordan, lebanon, the atlantic ocean, new orleans...

Well. Since I am a Chinese. I am not going do buy any product from Dior in the future, because that will make me uncomfortable.

Karma did not happen to the CCP as some overseas anti China groups might have hoped, in fact its been the complete opposite. The earthquake actually won the Chinese government high praise worldwide for its swift and efficient response unprecedented not just in China but the whole world and became a model for disaster relief for every countries to follow.
Sharon Stone's comments about Karma was directed exclusively at the ordinary and impoverish Han and Tibetan Chinese in Sichuan. That is a particularly sick thing to say in any civilised society.

Going by Sharon Stone's theory on Karma if an innocent women minding her own business got gang raped would she interprete that as bad Karma for the way she look and dressed?

China seems to follow single policy of betrayal with friends. In 1962 it betrayed India and I can assure u people, how fast friendship a country develop with china cannot take it for not violeting the truce. Mot setung , chine leader, said those who donot agree with us are not our friends and who are our friends are our enemies. Tell me one country which enjoys good relationship with chinain its neigbourhood.If chinese are so touchy about the statement of sharons , then Indian must bycott all the chinese product and Indian are definetaly with tibetiens. Lakhs of them are languishing in India.Can Any chinese give me the answe why tibetiens should not be given independence. Kind of injustice and lawnwss that is meted out to them under chinese rule is what tibetans deserve , if china do not derserve that earthquake, then I donot see why tibetan should deserve this rudeness. I would like to add that , chinese should themselves , revolt against this communist govermentas there is lot of injustice, the except of few pocket of development,most people are getting converted in to slaves in china. Chinese culture has been throtled under this communist rule. Peoplecannot decide for themselves. Kind of rule in china is unbearable and inhumane

i guess ur an indian

it's not wise to speak bad of ur competitor nd ur past friend

if this theory is ok -i am afraid there will be many karmic disasters on the usa for its miserable policies around the world!!!!

Sharon Stone's "conatribution" to Humanity is to help the Tobacco pushing "Merchants of Death" spread their Poison to new Teens & Young Adults, by portraying a SMOKER in movies that appeal to them. Her "BASIC INSTINCT", in other words, is to get the Big Bucks & other Perks that come with being one of Big Tobacco's "Stable" of tame "Celebrity Smokers". She PROSTITUTES herself when she does this, just like MADONNA, JAY-Z, ARNOLD SCHWARTZENEGGER, WILLIAM SHATNER, & all the other Celebrities, Politicians, Singers, Rappers, etc. who "SELL THEIR SOUL" this way.

Sharon Stone one day appeared on CNN's LARRY KING show looking all OLD & WRINKLED & UNHEALTHY, like she must have lived a hard life. Actually it was SHOCKING how bad she looked. HEAVY cigarette smoking will do that to your Face, your Skin, etc.

Then, she vanished from sight for a while, later to "Pop Up" again, MAGICALLY transformed, looking like a Dewy, Smooth-Skinned 20 or 30-something. PLASTIC SURGERY can do WONDERS these days, that's the only explanation for the startling change!

Yet, I never have heard ONE Entertainment Reporter or News Story about how Sharon Stone suddenly looked 20 years younger & had skin smoother than a 20 year old!

Yeah, she's a "Philanthropist"? Give me a frackin' BREAK!

1)Sharon Stone is entitled to give that comment.
2)Chinese people are entitled to hate her for that comment.
3)Dior is entitled to pull her ad out of China.
4)Dior is entitled to keep her ad outside China.
5)Chinese people all over the world are entitled to stop buying Dior for its continued association with her outside China.
6)Americans, Europeans, Japanese etc are entitled to whatever opinion they have about that comment of hers.
7)One thing for sure, she stands to lose over $50 million for her comment. That is karma.

Karma means "deed" or "act" and more broadly names the universal principle of cause and effect, action and reaction that governs all life. Karma is not fate, for humans act with free will creating their own destiny. According to the Vedas, if we sow goodness, we will reap goodness; if we sow evil, we will reap evil. Karma refers to the totality of our actions and their concomitant reactions in this and previous lives, all of which determines our future. The conquest of karma lies in intelligent action and dispassionate response. Through the law of karma, the effects of all deeds actively create past, present, and future experiences, thus making one responsible for one's own life, and the pain and joy it brings to him/her and others. The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala. In religions that incorporate reincarnation, karma extends through one's present life and all past and future lives as well.

Yes second ardehndu, will you plz specify your name.Yes , I stand for tibet independence whether goverment of india ' spolicy defers or not , does not matter for me.As far as truth is concerned , the treatment meted out to tibetan by chinese is no less horrible than the chinese
themselves received during second world war at the hands of japanese when that was inhuman then on what basis chinese like to claim their action to be fair , as far as relieve to earth quake victim is concerned, it is duty of the CCP and they are dong not any favour to world by helping the quake victim it is their duty .

Tony Chow

unbiased nd impressive definition

hey ,i m jia.

thank u for ur opinion

one question:as far as tibetan history is concerned,have u been experiencing it or not :treatment meted out to tibetan by chinese is no less horrible than...... honestly speaking ,i dont trust any gov or media ,it's a game played by all the countries .but i guess for my relatives ling in Tibet for more 60yrs ,they r a good proof.Obviously they like the CCP nd they r developing the tourism

anyone who has humanity should not say like that, not all Chinese people will never forgive her comments on earthquake, but the people from the whole world will damn her as well.

How shameful for her to face Chinese again! she deserve karma too.

If you can give example of one relative of yours , I have been witness to colony of tibetans right along the yamuna river in New Delhi Tjousands of tibetans are languishing in those colony awaiting the freedom of tibet, i doniot know abot the tibet inside , but as far as i can gather neither you have any good idea ,exept through a family, whether you are ethinic chines eor tibetan I donot know , but I donot see a reason as good as development of tourism in support of the perpetuation of the imperialism in tibet standing long and firm enough. No economical benefit of imperialism can anyway deny the right of freedom.And i think that time has come to decide

i am not against chines people as such, but in present moment i am with tibetans.I want chinese to decide for themselves not through these non sense communist party of china. I want china to flourish with its own culture and through some culture adopted out off some non sense western thinkers like marx or soem thing like that . I know when chinese will be under chinese ruel it
will be much better

lack of communication, there are a great number of misunderstandings between westerners and Chinese, a witch stone's horrible words are attributable to her lack of understanding China!!!! Do please make a speech after understanding it!!!

It may not be karma but the Chinese, who don't mind their thuggish government aidin
g and abbetting genocide in Darfur, refusing to put pressure on the killers who run the junta in Burma in order to have allowed international aide come into that country when it had it's own natural disaster, as well as China's overlording North Korea and therefore aiding the atrocites there, not to mention Tibet, deserve all the bad karma or bad luck they can get.

In her now-infamous on-camera comments, Ms. Stone put her personal politics above everything else, and eager to show everyone that she is a good friend of the Dalai Lama.

The more than 68000 perished souls, and even more injured, in this natural disaster are victimized again by Ms. Stone's personal politics.

Heartless like a stone !

So, religious people are just supposed to believe that God has no hand in natural disasters now, is that it? Now Jehovah's actions are limited, I suppose, to seeing to it that your kid wins the spelling bee, and, of course, curing "some" people, especially those with health insurance, who go to good hospitals. And helping poor people, as long as their are faithful working and contributing their money for this. Sort of makes you wonder what sorts of things would stop working as they do, if He in his omnipotence ceased to exist.

Hi,

I am Sharon Stone.

You know, Katrina is a bad karma for what American government did. They invaded Iraq and took out my best friend Saddam over there. You know, if you are not nice to Saddam, bad things happened to you. Haha!

Btw, I got lots of money, $50m is nothing compared with the freedom of my best friend Saddam.

Sharon Stone's comments were ignorant and poorly chosen. Her comments were similar in stupidity to Pat Robertson who blamed the hurricane that destroyed New Orleans on legalized abortion in the United States.

Dior was smart to dump Stone from their roster of models. Perhaps celebrities, both liberal and conservative alike, will take a moment to think before they say. Doubtful, but possible.

Sharon Stone's comment about Katrina.

News Reporter: Did you hear know about the typhoon in New Orleans?

Stone: Of cause I have. You know, it's very interesting about that since first, I'm not happy about the way USA treats the Iraqis because I think anyone should not be unkind to
anyone else. And so I am being very concerned about the election of the next president of the US and A, because we had not being nice to Saddam Hussein, who is a good friend of
mine. And Katrina typhoon ,and all the stuff happened, and I thought, is that Karma? When you’re not nice that the bad things happen. And then I got a letter from the Iraqi
Foundation that they want to go and be helpful. This made me cry. And they asked me if I will write a quote to that, and I said I would that it was a big lesson to me, that sometimes you have to learn to put your face down and be a dog to the person who aren't nice to you. And that is a big lesson to me.

the fact is no matter what the tibetan or the chinese gov doing.
the 68,000 who died have nothing to do with chinese gov's policy.

the fact is, no matter what the tibetan or the chinese gov doing. no matter you believe in karma or not.

the over 60,000 who died have nothing to do with chinese gov's policy.

Good for Sharon Stone. She expressed an obvious point, and just because a very large number of people in China will get on their hind legs and shout and scream about it doesn't make it any less obvious to the rest of us.

If you allow your government to kill and torture Tibetans, suppress their freedom, take their country, exile their religious leader, refuse them freedom of expression and worship, and throw people in jail for decades for doing nothing more than owning a portrait of the Dalai Lama, then

Do not expect sympathy or support from the rest of us when bad things happen to you. Whether its diving retribution or cosmic coincidence is not the point. The point is that your store of sympathy from the rest of the world has been very heavily depleted by your criminal, brutal, callous and heartless treatment of the Tibetan people.

The earthquake should be a reminder to China that no matter how strong a country thinks it is, there will always come a time when it needs friends. Acting in a way that diminishes your number of friends around the world will make that time more dangerous for you when it comes. Your call.

You can either let human rights observers and journalists to travel freely in Tibet, lift the system of police informers and spies, let the Dalai Lama and other respected Tibetan religious leaders come and go freely, and make restitution for the monasteries and treasures that you have destroyed and looted.

Or you can carry on in these unjust actions, and expect the rest of us to be quietly (well, mostly quietly) quite pleased when bad things happen to you.

To sharon stone

The world don't mind your open your legs, but when it down to your month, just keep it shut!

Well, you know, it depends on what you think of God... it amuses me how much trouble Hagee got in for saying that God let the holocaust happen. If you believe in omnipotence, then God did let the holocaust happen. The question then is if God cares...

course, if you don't use the capital g, and don't believe in god, then Sharon Stone is just another hollywood airhead.

i think everyone can have the right to express her ideas ,but u should stand on the truth,and if u didn't know the truth ,plz just keeep silent,or u will be the hated person by the ones who have thoughts of justice. Stone is really a stone!

yeah, everyone has her right to express her ideas ,but what is the rule? That is u should stand on the truth! u didn't know something about the truth ,u 'd better keep silent until ur can catch it! what is a philanthropist mean?i doubted! Stone is really a stone!

RE:from Ardhendu
1 "If you can give example of one relative of yours , I have been witness to colony of tibetans right along the yamuna river in New Delhi Tjousands of tibetans are languishing in those colony awaiting the freedom of tibet, i doniot know abot the tibet inside"

hey,i've just finished my dinner~~some indian & pakistani students were playing baseball downstairs,so it's interesting to talk about the issue here~~~

uh,i dont know much about the indian history,but i know there is a great saying that everyone has at least a skeleton in his closet.Isnt it northeastern India a place of riot that has deprived 110,000 people's lives for the separatist activities? No offense ,but if the people in Assam wanted to b independent ,why dont u let them?compared to the thousand? tibetans in New Delhi, i think it's more urgent to get this over with

so ,as for such a big country of china with a territory of 9.6 million square kms nd 55 ETHNIC MINORITIES,i think our government did great that there is only the tibetan incident nd it's under control.U know ,if our economy is low, hunger,riot is everywhere,i guess china could b divided into 56 countries,that must b satisfying some people~~

just as french people think Corsica is part of theirs,and so do americans thought about Guam it's no way to divide any region outta China.

China's sufferings from the biggest earthquake since it was founded nearly 60 years ago, have nothing to do with its policy in Tibet. The fact is that Tibet under adminstering of CPC has developed quickly and happily. I don't know whether Stone has ever visited Tibet. She knows little about the people and the culture there. I hate Dalai Lama . He is no good to China and Tibetans.

The Chinese deserve everything they get. They are brutal killers. They do not deserve our sympathy.

What Stone said is really cruel and hurt.

Why LVMH only removed her from their advertisement in China and not worldwide? My friends and I wont buy LVMH products until she is completely removed because she reminds cruelty. I think those who don't agree with her should follow, especially the Chinese.
The Chinese may not be treating the Tibetan well, has the Americans treat the Native Indians well?If the Chinese Have done what the Americans have done to their Natives,i.e destroy their belief, destroy their sacred ground and culture, get them drunk and banished them to reservation,let them fish and hunt all year long, then you become a great country . If the Chinese had done it, there would be no Tibetan problem. Sharon Stone has no Dala Lamai friend and still make her money,alot.

RE:from Ardhendu

never comment with the phrase:
although i've never been to China/Tibet,or i dont know what's happening inside Tibet ,or u will fall into my trap that we r both fed up with information.Oops ,u r propagandaed~~~

Come to China nd c it urself if u r available

Cheers

What Tibet has done in China is disgraceful. Suggesting that the deaths of countless thousands of innocent Chinese people is somehow a just punishment is absolutely sick. Whatever one thinks about Tibet, the earthquake has nothing to do with it and the victims have no connection to it either. That is why the opinions of so-called stars is not worth listening to. Some are well informed and make comments worth listening to, just like any other group. We only hear what they say, the wise ones and the fools, because they are celebrities. Better to listen to the experts. I don't care what Brad, Jen, Angelina, Madonna and Sharon Stone say abotu world events. What a joke.

Stone is a ture stone.
Those who talk about Tibet had better to have a close look to Tibet, and have an investigation about the Tibet before 1958. Tibetans were salves of Dala lama.

Haha,it was amusing watching you guys' comments...though...one obvious truth seems to have beenn ignored...the epicenter has a dense tibetan population....speaking of karma...

The whole concept is silly.

First, let's get something out of the way. Karma is a human attempt to rationalize what is unfair about life. It's an attempt by the people on the lowest rung of society to think that there is some sort of guiding hand to make sure that it all comes out even in the end. It doesn't.

So Sharon Stone claiming karma is to blame is nonsensical. It's roughly the equivalent of saying "the flying spaghetti monster got them".

It reminds me of when an infamous DJ years ago wished cancer on the head of the FCC and people were outraged. I could never figure that out. Did people really think that you could wish ill on someone and it came true? Or do people think you should never express that you really dislike someone?

Folks, these are superstitions. When you buy into them, you lose the moral right to criticize primitive tribes because they think the sun is carried by turtles across the sky. Or when people reject condoms for AIDS prevention for "religous" reasons. It's all part of the same belief system.

Let's think a bit folks.

Shou energy value, the law of nature!

Ms. Stone's comments are more than a little reminiscent about what certain "evangelits" said about 9/11 and abortion and homosexuals and hurricane Katrina and New Orleans and homosexuals. No matter who draws these vile conclusions, they are loathsome.

I did not gree and felt angry with your bad Karma when you're saying a natural disaster that is reaching a death toll of more than 68,000 was deserved. Sharon Stone should apologize no matter how she had whatever reasons.

Typical Hollywood lib.

Stone is very cruel.

don't hurt chinese feeling when disaster happened to chinese.everyone will have their trouble,if like you say ,it is a bad karma!U S A have disaster too,other country also have it .so i must said to you'shut up'

I think it is not unfair to all the chinese people . The diaster is not called by anyone ,no one can conplaint it ,but what we can do is giving our support to the injuried and the rescuer,also we only donate ,maybe that is the only that we can do to vitims of natural diaster ,like the famous actress Ziyi Zhang ,raising money to the disaster area .I was deeply moved by her action.To be a celibrity ,they should call on the public the donate their abibity the area .

Tricia Key, you and people like you are a constant reminder of what is wrong with this country. When I traveled to Europe (right after we invaded Iraq) my family became very concerned about how I would be treated in light of our military action. However, I was completely taken aback to see that Parisians did not hold ME responsible for MY government's policies. We should learn to do the same...if you have not noticed (from the very hard to watch coverage)...there were young children who perished...maybe you deserve everything you get for celebrating their deaths...WAKE UP AMERICANS...WE SHOULD BE BETTER THAN THIS!

Kate, Ill co-sign on your comment.

A reader wrote "most Chinese support occupation"; please note the word occupation, which is another word for "land grab". Now if occupation is "in" for Tibet today, after that is done, there are more things on the world map to "occupy". Tibet is a beautiful country, so you want that. After that, how about Mongolia, or Turkey (by way of Afghanistan)? By this time, you realize occupying is fun (like shopping), you get things (but without paying for it).

The next time you go shopping, just look at your credit card bill, that you will pay; and then think of China and Tibet. At that moment, you will be able to think wisely.

Plate tectonics knows no political boundaries.

One has to be blind not to see the effects of Karma.

Look at France & United Kingdom : They ruled all their colonies ruthlessly- now it has the cancer of islamic fundamentalism growing at an alarming rate. This cancer was directly imported at their will from their colonies!
Now they cannot do anything about it.. they are prisoners of their own grand themes..and it is like a ticking time bomb. Unfotunately, people like van gogh will pay with their blood for the bad karma of their countrymen.
Once Obama wins the election, US will also become soft on terrorism.. again Karma at work. I cannot fathom why the democrats do not see the horror of islamic crazies.
Do we wanna become like Belgium where the state is toothless to arrest a self-proclaimed al-qaeda leader running a website extorting ppl to do Jihad.. the irony is that she gets 1100$ in unemployment benefits! That's Karma..

I am not joking.. read it in respected NYTimes ..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/world/europe/28terror.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=malika&st=nyt&oref=slogin

I could easily say the exact same thing about how the karma gets to the Virginia Tech massacre victims, when you are doing bad things to people of color, that the bad things happen to you.

I think your review about chinese government to Tibetans and Dalai Lama is nonsenseful and meaningful because you did not know what happen in Tibet past and present.do you go to Tibet and know Tibetans life before 1950? do you know Dalai Lama do before his bursting up in Tibet ?

Hi,sympathy or support in disaster is human instinct,but to expect.give it or not is your freedom.please shut down your mouths when people who have sympathy save life in disaster.natural disaster such as earthquake ,hurricane might happen the rest of world ,not just China.may you remember 9.11 disaster in U.S.A brought up most people includeing chinese.If some say It is karmar,do you feel ? I think when your help to others you would rather feel happy than say what give lessons to them in trouble.

Go Sharon, don't back down!!

i am a chinese! and i know the sharon stone's speech serveral days ago! i am so angry about that ! more than 60000 people deserve to dead? it is a "krama"?,i don't think so ! AND,your krama is coming. you know what,all of chinese now are refuse all your stuff! !!! and reject your "sorry"or so-called"apologize",it is no use !it is hirt chinese so deeply! there is no one will forgive you,ever this time!!!!!how much do you know about Tibetans? do you know what the Tibetans done ? or you just want to raise your reputation though this event! contempt you

Tony Chow:
Thank you for a very astute comment. Her losing the money would be a beautiful example of Karma-in-action, and I hope Dior exercies those rights to pull ads.

Twill:
Thank you for actually discussing what Karma is, and not just lambasting people, or governments.

Alex:
Thank you for dehumanizing an entire group of people. I look forward to seeing your family 'get up on their hind legs' next time some personal tragedy befalls them.

Tricia Key: You also 'deserve everything you get'. Hope the mortgage crisis is treating you well, and your retirement plan and health insurance are up to date.

Ombudsman: There is a fine, fine line between superstition and religion. Religion: A system of governance based on rituals and prayer that you believe will affect the outcome of unfortunate. Superstition: See religion.

From what I have learned and understand about Karma, it isn't a function of the devine, at all. Maybe analagous to an operating system for the Universe at large. To say the 68,000 beautiful lives lost is a result of the country's actions is obviously ignorant. The Chinese have thousands of 'civil unrest incidents' a year, clearly the 'common people' are not in control of the State. I have never been to China, or Tibet. The Dali Lama's messages of peace, etc are appealing to Westerners because of the romanticizing of "Eastern Philosophies". Most of us -myself included- are pretty ignorant about the "True" history of Tibet, and China's actions regarding it and it's people. Why? China controls most of what is officialy said about it, and America's 'Official' history lessons about China are based on that. Yes, they were the 'Evil Red Chinese' during the Cold War, but you don't hear much about that these days - especially when our children's classrooms are power-pointed by, clothed in, calculator'ed and cell phoned Chinese manufactured goods. Kudos to China for setting the bar high in disaster response! Not perfect to be sure, but when is it? It's called a 'disaster' for a reason.

Yeah some of us do know quite a lot about Tibet. We know that these lies about slave owners are just Commie propaganda that people who grew up on the mainland swallow and regurgitate. We know that the Tibetans revere the Dalai Lama, and the Karmapa, and the Panchen Lama, who is still somewhere in an undisclosed location under Chinese arrest. We know that the Tibetans don't want to speak Chinese, they want to live in their own country, Tibet, free from Chinese domination. These are all facts. Brainless communist sympathisers can just go back to China and not pollute this free country. And yeah, Sharon Stone, you have nothing to be ashamed of. It's the Chinese who should be ashamed. Their prejudice stinks. They need a lesson in shutting up.

To the people who think they know a lot about tibet - please don't comment with your ignorance, go to Tibet and see for your self. A lot of Tibetans are very happy with current developments, and more than a million Tibetans are scattered across china. The quake zone contained the largest community of Tibetans outside of tibet, many of whom were killed in the quake, a fact that a certain Stone overlooked. Western media certainly isn't fair in all their reporting. Go to Tibet and see for yourself. Or keep or mouth shut about somewhere you've never been to, with people that you've never met. If you listen to the Muslim extremists, 9/11 was Karma too. And America is the most evil nation on earth. Don't listen to no brainers like stone.

Philippa Carrick, chief executive of the Tibet Society in London, said Stone’s comments were ridiculous. It's on telegraph.co.uk

if u were tibetan then u wudn't be so happy about chinese, its like one big prison camp there with chinese guards. my heart goes out to people in tibet who sufrd for so many years. sure its bad the chinese suffrd in the earthquake and its good they r getting help. keep speakin out, whethr its sharon stone or nybody else. tibet will live free. tibet will live free. one world, one dream, FREE TIBET. sharon it dusnt matter if you dont understand karma. only religious teachers understand karma. ur heart is in the right place and evryone rspect u fr that. tashi delek. free tibet.

Sharon Stone is not required to practice the languages games of diplomacy in which direct assertions are rarely made. Public figure or not, no matter what she said, to recant because her statemnents upset the Chinese is to cede control of her speech to the latter and to magnify the historical import of this event beyond reasonability.

Thompson, well I'm so sorry you had such difficult experiences in Europe. How terrible. You must feel so sorry for yourself. Now look at it from the perspective of the Tibetan nun who got shot in the back by Chinese guards while trying to escape to India so she could practise her religion freely. How do you feel now?

China Dior has cancelled Mrs Stone's Ad, i think it is the just Karma to Stone's cool-blooded words.

Bwaa haah! Some stupid Chinese person posted here 'why don't you go to Tibet and see for yourself'.
Well I'll tell you why you damn stupid person!
Because the Chinese government won't let us! They won't allow tourists in to let anyone see what crimes they are committing. How many people are being kidnapped, arrested, tortured, summarily executed.

Yeah so before you tell people to go see for themselves what's happening in Tibet, remember that it's your own Chinese government that is preventing us from doing exactly that. So don't post such dam stupid rubbish here again, ok? We aren't stupid. we aren't going to believe this kind of cock and bull chinese lies.

Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing is it not. Enjoy it while you can. It will probably go away too before Dictator Bush steps down in November.

JJ
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1. Sharon Stone is not a maker of public policy or shaper of public opinion. (If your view of China is molded by the input of Sharon Stone--you are an idiot).

2. Let s/he who has not ever said anything stupid cast the first stone.

3. Recently in Mae Sot, Thailand, an exiled Burmese labor leader was assissinated by Burmese military infiltrators. Why am I not reading more outrage about this REAL crime than about Sharon Stone's ill considered statement?

Stone, like most of the Hollywood elite, is an idiot. Most of them barely escaped high school. Anyone who takes any of their comments on world events as being relevant, is probably as intelligence deprived as they are.
Get a life!

Although I disagree with her blaming this on karma (which really doesn't exist)
I'm sure that when she said this, she wasn't implying that 68,000 people should have died the way they did.
It was simply a superficial argument -- she was reaching for the closest attack she could use against China because of the China/Tibet situation, (which I also think she probably should have done more research on).

It's not a simple one country abusing the other kind of thing.

But I agree with Maupin, most of these comments from celebrities are taken much more seriously than they should be. If you're an intelligent being, form your own opinion based on knowledge, and stop being enraged by Philistines.

Some background information about Dalai lama and Tibet.

Dalai Lama said: I like it!
In the early 1950s, DL was a member of China’s central committee and leader of Tibet. He said: Great leader Chairman Mao, we love you! (He wrote poems for Chairman Mao).

Dalai Lama said: I don’t like it!
In 1956, the central government wanted to start the land reform that had been implemented through out China. Due to the respect of the minority region, the reform was delayed. This reform would have distributed the land owned by DL and his monks to the slaves. So he resisted.

Dalai Lama said: I am out of here!
A violent uprising was squashed. And he fled to India with arrangement by some countries.

Dalai Lama said: let’s fight for independence!
With support from some countries, he organized the guerrilla warfare. The tactics were nothing more than murdering local officials and intimidating the population. It lasted until 1972 when the west stopped support.

Dalai Lama said: I want autonomy!
No more support, the rhetoric changed to autonomy. A step-by-step plan, autonomy to independence seemed smart at that time. But he never stopped stirring troubles inside China.

Dalai Lama said: I want independence.
In 1989, when anti-China was even more popular than now, and when China had the Tiananmen incident, he won the Nobel Prize when some people wanted to snub China. And he seized the opportunity by saying that China should be divided into 7 or 8 pieces (he will have the bigger piece as he wants 25% of China’s territory). But soon he was back to his autonomy talk as political climate changed.

Dalai Lama said: let’s seize the opportunity!
In 2001, China won the honor to host the Olympics. DL again saw an opening and formed his grand plan to gain ground during this sporting event. Thus came the ugly riots with arson, burning and killing. And some misinformed people started to follow him on the torch relay to put on a freak show.

Dalai Lama again said: "I want autonomy". "I don't want to attend the Olympics". "I want to attend the Olympics". "The protesters have their right and I am powerless". "The protesters should stop".
"Karma". "not karma".

Dalai Lama, get yourself together before speaking. Otherwise, you will be the same as your best pal, Sharon Stone, or your other pal, richard geer who pissed off the Indian people by bending over their famed actress.

What a frigging nut case she is.

God doesn't listen to you nut cases he has his own agenda and nothing anyone can say or do will change it.

So stop trying to make things up my God doesn't need man to do anything for him let alone fight or kill he is much better than that.

Ms. Hoffman, " I offer Stone, in all her glory, as a warning lesson to all of us who take in the world's news as an abstraction and think we can know the logic of divine justice. We can't."

Of course, but please put your column to infinitely better use by helping to shine a light on the immoral policies of China's Totalitarian government. Their missdeeds should be legendary by now, if you and many others in the press would do your jobs in a truly moral fashion.

To devote a column to what an otherwise decent person says in a mindless moment that most people experience from time to time, is a waste. Thirty one of China's leading journalists and writers are presently in prison for attempting to excercise the power of the press; something that you've chosen to squander here.

Anyone that believes the earthquake is karma is plain stupid. Karma works on an individual level. I am strongly against the chinese treatment of tibetans, however, the people who should feel the wrath of karma are the individuals of the chinese government and military who are ordering these atrocious acts. The casualties of the earthquake many of whom are children are completely innocent, IT IS NOT KARMA - it is a tragedy. Sharon stone made a stupid comment - as a simple analogy what she said is equivalent to concluding that the guilty chinese individuals commiting murder on tibetans should be balanced out by innocent chinese losing their lives as a result of karma - but what have the innocent victims done? Again, IT IS NOT KARMA!

Let's stop arguing about this and unite to pray for the victims and their families.

R.I.P. to all the victims of the earthquake

Why does anyone care what Sharon Stone thinks anyway? Her "expertise" is in acting.

The whole concept of this thread would be laughable if it were not about such a pair of tragedies. The Chinese are not letting the Tibetans enjoy self-rule and are probably trying to steal their lives and livlihoods because that is what predatory nations do. Just as the nations of Europe stole the lives and livlihoods of the Native Americans. The Chinese died in the massive earthquake because they built bad buildings in an earthquake area.Some Chinese are cheats as witness some of the bad stuff we have imported from them. Our leaders are cheats because they neglect the important things while lining the pockets of their buddies in the oil business. The world is full of bad people who unfortunately seem to take over governments. There is no God or Karma.

To drop a big, fashionable political name Dali lama ‘as good friend of mine’ seemed to be her main concern, she does not care how Chinese people think but how ‘interesting’ the earth quake had happened… this stupid small group in Hollywood thought that to be associated with Tibet issue will keep them on the spot light forever. Well, Chinese people should against all of their products, not just against Sharon Stone

So John Hagee said that New Orleans deserved (read: got karma for) its lifestyle. Now Sharon Stone (about the same IQ) says China got an earthquake for its behavior...it seems that liberals and conservatives alike go in for the same simplistic view of the cosmos...

To: "Anonymous"
"Thirty one of China's leading journalists and writers are presently in prison for attempting to excercise the power of the press"

As a Chinese living abroad, I am not aware of the "leading writers". Most of those jailed are freelance writers. Most Chinese see these people as nuts. In Flushing, NY, the Falun Gong folks and some of the really "famous" anti-China writers such as Wei Jingsheng, Ma Jian, etc., sort of celebrated the earthquake and disrupted the fund raising daily during and after the national mourning. They were confronted by the Chinese people in the community.

I understand you are concerned about human rights. But this term starts with human. People need to survive first. Many people are starving to death all over the world. We should help them survive first. China is close to get everybody fed.

If the person is inhuman, then nobody will listen to their preach of rights, as shown in Sharon Stone's case.

If all the bad things that have happened to China is not Karma then what is it? Just a lot of bad luck? Chinese are filling the world with hateful words and actions like in their many blogs like "chopping people up into pieces and boiling them in oil'. They are not working with nature, but as Mao instructed them to do, they are trying to conquer it. The forces of the universe are now working against them. They make me sick and ashamed.

Ms Stone may NOT have formed an understanding of divine mechanism of universe as suggested by Claire Hoffman but I would say to China that if the shoe fits, wear it. Afterall China’s claim on Tibet because China ruled over Tibet by force in middle ages does not entitle China to rule it today anymore than British rule over US in sixteenth century entitles UK to rule over US today or British rule over India in 17th, 18th and 19th century entitles UK to rule over India in this age of freedom.

While lip service by Western leaders to Tibetan cause for autonomy will NOT get Tibet any such autonomy, Tibetan identity and culture are destined to dust bin of history unless Tibetans rise up against Chinese dictatorship. And nonviolence is not going to achieve independence for Tibet against a Communist dictatorship when the whole world is so beholden to this economic powerhouse. Tibetans will have to achieve their independence by blood if they want to survive as a distinct culture.

China Earthquake - Factsheet
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1)Scale: 7.8
2)Disaster Zone Area: 100,000km sq.
3)Dead: 70,000
4)Missing: 22,000
5)Homeless: 5 million
6)1.2 million houses destroyed
7)3,500 schools collapsed while in session. In one worst hit school, the entire 1,200 elementary students and teachers perished.
8)In one worst hit village, the entire generation of 300 children was wiped out, leaving all adult survivors childless.

Sharon Stone's Take
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"...Chinese...Tibetans...is that karma?....."

Sharon Stone is Dalai Lama's masterpiece

China Earthquake - Factsheet
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1)Scale: 7.8
2)Disaster Zone Area: 100,000km sq.
3)Dead: 70,000
4)Missing: 22,000
5)Homeless: 5 million
6)1.2 million houses destroyed
7)3,500 schools collapsed while in session. In one worst hit school, the entire 1,200 elementary students and teachers perished.
8)In one worst hit village, the entire generation of 300 children was wiped out, leaving all adult survivors childless.

Sharon Stone's Take
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"...Chinese...Tibetans...is that karma?....."

Chinese Student:

If all the bad things that have happened to China is not Karma then what is it? Just a lot of bad luck? Chinese are filling the world with hateful words and actions like in their many blogs like "chopping people up into pieces and boiling them in oil'. They are not working with nature, but as Mao instructed them to do, they are trying to conquer it. The forces of the universe are now working against them. They make me sick and ashamed.

Many people's view about China and Chinese people is formed by a small group of people they encounter, Or they just pick the group to validate their opinion, as you may have shown here. But China has 1.3 billion people. This is too simplistic. Imagine if people view the US the same as the religious bigots, or gangsters, or the KKKs, or....., etc. then it would not be a view that represents the US.

China is not fighting with nature. And the forces of the Universe are not working against China. There is tectonic movement between the Indian subcontinent and Tibetan plateau. The earthquake happens every few decades. So don't blame Chairman Mao or the people.

Why are you writing about her? Sure she's a fool. But you're a bigger one for giving her words importance. This is again the media making celebrities out to be more important than they are.

If it was a public official, an important clergyman, or someone generally respected who called the earthquake Karma, then it would be worth mentioning.

But some bimbo has-been actress says something stupid and you want to write about that? Why don't you just get a job at Page 6?

It is incredibly inhumane and utterly rude for Sharon Stone to make such outrageous comment about the earthquake. It is extremely unfair to the tens of thousand of people who lost their innocent life and totally injustice to the billions of Chinese people who have worked day and night to try to save those life. There is really no excuse for Sharon Stone's cold heart toward vast majority of decent Chinese people. Humanity and justice will prevail.

If every country reached out to a country in need during all the world disasters, which seem to be ever increasing, then we would all be closer to world peace as respect and dignity would grow through the acts of service rendered between all countries.

But, even if this is not possible (because some countries are more selfish and less giving then others) no one should place judgements nor pretend we understand how God judges. We are not to judge, but offer unalienable rights to all mankind. If someone truly understood the nature of God they would want all of humankind to be happy and taken care of, regardless of race and behavior. They would reach out even if it was not reciprocated.

Sharon Stone is wrong:
1. Chinese gvt is treating tibatens well. we have fifty six ethnics. I am a Manchuri.
2. earthquake is just a natural disaster.
3. she is not humanitarian.
4. Dalai lama was once the vice chairman of chinese NPC. but Dalai is swag and sway. fomenting and cheating.
5. welcom to China, to tibat, see it with ur own eyes.

While Sharon Stone's Karma argument sounds hurtful, one cannot dismiss the facts that made her think so. And there in lays the unknown.

The only truth we know is that:
1. The Chinese government is ruthless and unfair to Tibet.
2. A number of people have died, tragically in this earth quake.
3. This is a moment for us to reflect on mankind and do some good. Good to the families that have lost people in the quake. Good to the Tibetan people, and let them enjoy their lives too.

"who's identity and career is her own,"

WHOSE identify and career...

(Plus, "is her own" is a silly and redundant phrase.)

"who's identity and career is her own,"

WHOSE identify and career ARE hers.

(Silly sentence even grammatically correct.)

I wonder what the Dalai Lama is Really thinking when she wears that gawdy, glitzy jewelry and proclaims she is a Budhist....it is so obvious she needs to learn fundamental teachings of budhism and more about human compassion....She just seems a bit phoney and perhaps needs to start reflecting inward for deeper meaning...best wishes to her.

The epicenter of the earthquake is a minority area. The population is 40% Han Chinese, 40% Qiang minority Chinese and 20% Tibetan Chinese.

I wonder what the Dalai Lama is Really thinking when she wears that gawdy, glitzy jewelry and proclaims she is a Budhist....it is so obvious she needs to learn fundamental teachings of budhism and more about human compassion....She just seems a bit phoney and perhaps needs to start reflecting inward for deeper meaning...best wishes to her.

I am a college student in NangJing, China. I accidently found this article when I searched Google English web site from the computer in my home in NangJing, China. To my surprise, I found some comments here are really rude to the vast majority of decent Chinese people. Your guys don't know Chinese culture at all. Chinese culture is very compassionate, non-aggressive and very resilient. Clearly, there has been too much China bashing for too long in western media, which is really not fair to the global 1.4 billion Chinese people. I just came back from site of earthquake in SiChuan, China. I am very proud to see all the Chinese from every sector have worked day and night to try to save people's life. We have tradition to help other people. In last thirty years, we also reach out to the western people as well. We celebrate Christmas as well as Chinese New Year. Millions of students in China speak good English. It is terribly wrong for some people in the west still bash and demonize Chinese people, which simply lost the argument of fundamental fairness.

I am ashamed of Sharon's comment. It is really no different than Pat Robertson claiming a hurricane in Orlando is G-d's retribution on gays and lesbians. (PS to the author: Bad grammar alert in your first paragraph. It should be "...whose identity and career are her own." Was your editor on vacation this week?)

Just ask any Chinese on the street about the things that are happening this year. He will promptly tell you that China is going through a bad luck or something like that... But, that Chinese layman may most likely be an atheist, so he may not have heard of Karma.

For someone who is aware of Karma and knows all the things that China are doing around the world that are harming all human species and environment would naturally apply the law of Karma to explain recent unfortunate events. What China should be careful is that this Karmic phenomenon may just be the beginning and who knows what more is in store to unleash.

China can kill people; go around the world making troubles in Burma, Darfur, etc.; destroy human rights and cultures of other nations; but no matter how much wealth and power China accumulated that will not be a match the force and wrath of nature.

So, the lesson to take home for Chinese, especially to those nationalists and vocal Chinese students, is be kind, rational, and think of everyone as a small family of this fragile earth.

Forget about karma. Many Chinese children died unnecessarily because many buildings were built improperly and poorly and never complied with local building codes. Hence, a little shaking and they crumbled. The reason, corrupt local party officials. This has long been a problem in China. The Chinese Communist Party, less then 5% of the population, runs the country. Local party officials are very susceptible to being paid off by developers and builders who have deep pockets. Of course, we have seen the same thing in America. But, at least here the democratic process and freedom of the press helps keeps the problem of the corrupt bureaucrat in check. This is one of China's biggest challenges, how to deal with corruption in the absence of democratic processes. And no, the solution is not for the Government to just execute a few high ranking local party officials in the earthquake regions. The solution is a gradual, but well defined, transition to a democratic government for all of China.

Ms. Stone said this last week at Cannes:
“I’m not happy about the way the Chinese are treating the Tibetans because I don’t think anyone should be unkind to anyone else. And then the earthquake and all this stuff happened, and then I thought, is that karma? When you’re not nice that the bad things happen to you?”

For all those who would flay Sharon Stone alive: read what she said. She is pondering aloud. Her public pondering may be muddled, probably incorrect, and surely insensitive given the scale of human suffering in China.

But if, say, Zhang Ziyi or Gong Li engaged in a similar act of mild public pondering about karma following Hurricane Katrina, would there be a similar uproar in the US? At most, people would probably just dismiss the comments as idiotic.

But in the echo chamber of the mainland "international victim complex", Stone's remarks assume an importance out of all proportion to their original context. Mainland friends, try to keep things in perspective. These are the rather tepid musings of a somewhat well-known US actress. Nothing more.

Sharon Stone should be stoned for such comments. She should be put into shame.

Why did she get so much attention for her stupid comments? This is due to our pop culture. The Americans paid too much money to her to get such attention.

When Sharon Stone travled in China last year, Chinese people treated her very warmly with huge respect. That is why she really break our heart this time. She didn't show any sympathy at all for those innocent people who lost their life.

To say democracy is the way to avoid natural disaster of this magnitude is equally idiotic, if not more so. Sure there maybe corruption or the buildings are not properly built, but the experts from around the world, including one from California, who assessed the situation admitted that even the building in the US can't stand this quake.

The quake center is remote and poor even by Chinese standard. The county education budget when the school was built in 1985 was 10000 RMB a year. Should they wait until they have the millions to build a school that withstands 8.0 earthquake or to provide a school for the kids to study at that time?

These people who are linking democracy and human rights at this juncture are purely idiotic and no better than Sharon Stone.

It is really ridiculous to see that some people here are so mean and so nasty toward China and Chinese people.

We really must look at this from a different angle. Americans should be honored that what we say is so important to the rest of the world. If it were a Chinese entertainer saying something like this, nobody would care. Sharon Stone's remark is stupid and insensitive, but as an American, I think we should not get defensive.

It's hilarious (sad?) that someone would condemn Sharon Stone for her ill-thought remarks and combine that condemnation with a statement that Ms. Stone should be stoned to death. This really is the world we're stuck with, isn't it?

I'm a Chinese and I think the main factor of Sharon Stone's words is the untrue report of some western media on Tibetan problem.

I think the government is doing the right thing..
they are doing their best to protect the Tibetan,
instead of "treating them violently"!!!

she should learn about the TRUTH!!!

She will have to pay for her foolish words！We donot think she just know to open her legs wide,she know many things，like Karma.What`s her Karma?Her Karma is being spat at and reviled by Chinese people.

To tell you the truth,do you know what`s her name translate in Chinese words? The same sound of her name in Chinese is “real tease”or "full of frivolity" (傻浪Sharon)and "cuckoldry"(私通Stone）

The Western press has been flaying China ever since Spielsberg began his Dafur stunt early this year. Unfortunately it takes a major disaster like the Sichuan earthquake to shut them up and see that China is no different than the US during New Orleans and Katrina.

As for Sharon?

Her life is not worth an onion.

It's well known and admitted by Party officials that steel reinforcement rods were never used in many of the schools built in the earthquake regions, despite building plans submitted by builders prior to building, showing such reinforcements were to be used. Like the tainted drugs or lead painted toys recently exported by China, need I say more when it comes to how corruption operates? Would buildings have crumbled in such a quake despite reinforcements and proper construction, of course. But, not to the same extent and at least some children would not have died. The Party must face up, it has lost legitimacy in the eyes of the Chinese people. Local officials get much more money from the construction of factories then schools, and businessmen have a lot more money then school children. So, who do you think is going to win out? We just found out with the earthquake, did we not?

The people who show the most pleasure of this tragedy are falun gong and some anti-China activists. After being confronted by ordinary Chinese people in Flushing, New York for the last few days, these folks organized a rally yesterday in Flushing with a few hundred falun gong people and some knuckle heads including Wei Jingsheng. They used marching bands and other forms to celebrate the suffering of the Chinese people (Han, Qiang and Tibetan). Wei Jingsheng even gave a speech to the falun gong members. These people are truly amazing as they showed their heartless nature with no shame.

She will have to pay for her foolish words！We donot think she just know to open her legs wide,she know many things，like Karma.What`s her Karma?Her Karma is being spat at and reviled by Chinese people.

To tell you the truth,do you know what`s her name translate in Chinese words? The same sound of her name in Chinese is “real tease”or "full of frivolity" (傻浪)and

This is no big deal, really. Yes, it was karma that caused that earthquake. But karma is the cause for everything in our lives, good or bad. Sharon Stone has a limited view of karma. Besides, the Chinese who died did nothing to the Tibetans; it is the government and the PLA who did those bad things to the Tibetans. Of course, the government people, Mr. Who? and Mr. When?, and the PLA will all get bad karma for how they treated the Tibetans, but it is not this earthquake, so Ms. Stone is wrong in this regard.

Anyway, the Chinese need to learn how to accept criticism if they want to be part of the world. They say they are "hurt" by these things. They need to learn how to have dialogue without lashing back so hard at people who don't think like they do. They are not the only people in the world and they must learn to listen and learn from others.

For me, the point is: Sharon Stone speaks for herself. Period. She is not accountable to the US public, or to anyone. Her remarks are insensitive, and she apologized.

The more interesting issue is how her remarks are perceived and inflated within China. So I think "the Sharon Stone Incident" sheds light on the fun house mirrors style perception of the outside world that exists in China, wherein the remarks of a mediocre actress assume gargantuan proportions.

A critical discussion of the above does not mean one is "nasty" towards China and Chinese people. Voicing one's views can coincide with feelings of great sympathy for the suffering that the earthquake has caused in China.

Charlie1111,

From the Toronto Star, May 3, 2008 (and I can quote from countless other sources, all from nations that actually have freedom of the press)

"..The words take on new meaning as the Beijing Olympics approach and China's clampdown on the media deepens. Though China is less closed than North Korea or Burma, foreigners as well as local journalists are targeted. The Foreign Correspondents Club of China said at least 10 non-Chinese reporters have had anonymous death threats.

"China is the world's leading jailer of journalists," says the CPJ. Some 29 writers and editors have been imprisoned..."

First of all my heart goes out to all of Chinese who lost their families and friends. In a blink of time, things changes so fast that you would think that where that came from. The fact of the matter is everything on this earth is impermanent and everything is illusion. Everyone who is born on this earth has to die; every building you built will crumble; even this earth will destroy itself ultimately. Everything you see is an illusion. For example, you think you are Mr. Chen but where is Mr. Chen? Can you pinpoint where he is? No, the finger you are pointing is his nose. Try another one. No that is his hair, not Mr. Chen. So, there is no Mr. Chen. It is an illusion that we created in our own mind. Since everything is an illusion, what is the point in clinging so hard to it? So, you are clinging for nothing.

1. That any Chinese government official is willing to treat so strenuously the poorly thought out aside of a America actress is a strong sign of their (his?) inferiority complex. Chinese government officials often treat criticism of their actions and decisions this way.
2. The mass collapse of so many school structures in the earthquake area points to poor engineering foresight on those who authorized the construction of these buildings. It will be interesting to see how the politial ramifications of those decisions play out.
3. The one child policy will lead to an increase of emotional suffering of the now grieving childless couples.

Moral authority does not come from mean and nasty attitude and does not come from yelling and screaming. If people in the United States truly believe racial equality, then why not your guys respect Chinese culture? If we don't have culture equality, how could we have racial equality? If your guys truly believe culture equality, then why not just simply accept the well known scientific fact: culture diversity will definitely lead to the diversity of democratic system. Chinese culture is very different from American culture. We shouldn't copy American democracy. We have uninterrupted 5000 years civilization. We want democracy, but we want to keep our culture tradition as well. We have made tremendous progress economically as well as politically in last thirty years. Millions of people have been lifted from poverty. The fact that I could log onto this web site just by one click from the computer in my home in China already shows that we have a great deal of individual liberty. Different cultures have different way of thinking. I didn't understand American culture until I master English language. We just simply have to respect each other.

why do we care what Sharon Stone thinks? Why do we have to read about celebrity gossip in an otherwise respectable paper?

Hmm, so we hate and want to destroy [with stones, words, or financial ruin] a woman with no particular importance or expertise except an apparently superficial and childish understanding of the issues. There were many ad hominem attacks which use a single scene from a movie to invalidate her opinion. Just who cares what Ms. Stone thinks about anything? She does not represent the US Government, the American people or any other important constituency - unless you count actors as one. This is a typical media tempest in a teapot, and most of the comments posted display an ignorance at least as great as hers.

About Sharon: Obviously a silly and insensitive comment / musing. I don't think it's particularly representative of her though.

About karma: God would have to be particularly ill-informed and evil to cause an earthquake in that remote and impoverished region to punish the Chinese government for its treatment of the Tibetans. Actually, any God who would do this to these poor people would have to be rather insensitive (more so than Sharon I would argue).

About Tibet: Even if the Chinese treat Tibetans well (first-hand reports of the treatment of Tibetan monks in the NYTimes does suggest this is not always the case), fact is that China invaded and annexed the country. Nobody likes their country to be invaded (ask the Iraqis).

About the Chinese Internet community: Is this how it is going to be from now on? Every time some article is related to some criticism of China, hordes of Chinese bloggers post poorly written and sometimes dangerously infantile comments ("she should be stoned"?) in blind defense of their government's actions? Very sad. This country still has a long way to go.

why do we care what Sharon Stone thinks? Why do we have to read about celebrity gossip in an otherwise respectable paper?

Why Chinese are so sensitive people? Where is your sensitivity when it comes to other people? Do you know because of China's actions how many people are currently suffering around the globe? You feel pain when someone pinches you, but you don't feel anything when you are pinching others. What a sham!

Take any current trouble around the world, show me where Chinese hands are not behind it. There are more people died alone in Darfur than this earth quake. That is only one of the many Chinese involvement in troubles around the globe. Where is Chinese sensitivity here??????

Burma' junta would have collapsed if China is not supporting and resurrecting behind it. More people are dying in Burma in recent cyclone than China's earth quake. Where is your outrage, Chinese student?

Many people on this forum offered advice to Chinese people such as, they should learn, they should accept certain "karma", they should listen, they should accept criticism, etc. Thank you very much.

China has more than 5000 years of history and one of the last uninterrupted civilizations. China has similar area as the USA today. So you can be sure there have been numerous disasters, be it natural or man made. But the Chinese people have never succumbed to adversaries, not now, not in the future. They have learned from these mishaps and improved their way of life. It is no different this time.

I think they know when the criticism is fair.Fair criticism helps us to improve.

But when Mia Farrow accused China of various nonsense, we thought she might be in a mid-life crisis. When Spielberg quit the Olympics, we thought he was a hypocrite. When falun gong or Wei Jingsheng speak, we throw up.

I've got a problem with the word 'deserve'. I tend to be fatalistic: what happens, happens. I mean, good things happen to rotten people everyday. Ex: George Bush gets elected president. Does he 'deserve' that? Also, George Bush gets elected president--TWICE! Now, do I 'deserve' that? Does America 'deserve' that?
People usually see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear, and believe what they want to believe--regardless of the empirical evidence to the contrary.
The earth would have moved in China regardless of whether the Chinese lived on it or not. The storm called 'Katrina' would've drowned the Gulf coast whether New Orleans existed or not.
Now, I think it is true that we can blame ourselves for building societies on fault lines and river deltas below sea level. If we know the dangers and build anyway, that's just called 'stupid', not karma.
And does ANYONE 'deserve' another Sharon Stone movie?

Sharon Stone is an actress. What do you expect? A font of wisdom and compassion? Brains?

The only entity that is really taking this seriously is Dior as it can affect sales. That is what this is all about. Period.

The Chinese government (not the people, but the government) is evil. Their treatment of Tibetans is reflected in their presence in Tibet with Han Chinese police, politicians, military and merchants. It is a long, slow, patient genocide of the Tibetan people.

The rest of the world feels compassion and is donating earthquake relief to the Chinese people. Not to the Chinese government.

She's just a brainless movie actress. Her comments were stupid and offensive. She's an IDIOT!

charlie1111:

If China has uninterrupted 5,000 years of history, China surely hasn't learnt from it.

China may have discovered paper, etc. but all the real technologies that propelled human to 21st century happened in U.S. which ironically has the shortest history of most of the countries. So, Charlie, stick this in your freaking small childish brain that the quality matter more than quantity.

Sharon Stone made a big miscalculation. While the press will report favorably if you make disparaging comments about the U.S. or President Bush, you cannot make disparaging comments about communist totalitarian governments that purport to be for the people. After all these years in Hollywood, she should understand the process. Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, et al. become media heroes and nominated for the Nobel Prize for their “courage” to speak the “truth.” Barrack Obama and Pastor Wright are hailed as great spokesmen for pointing out the truth that America’s “chickens are coming home to roost.” Normal-thinking people understand that plate tectonics and Tibet political policies are not related. But a steady diet listening to the fuzzy thinking of Al Gore certainly explains the reasons for idiotic statements. Sharon, or her handlers, should know by now which idiotic statements are acceptable to the press.

Anonymous:

charlie1111:

If China has uninterrupted 5,000 years of history, China surely hasn't learnt from it.

China may have discovered paper, etc. but all the real technologies that propelled human to 21st century happened in U.S. which ironically has the shortest history of most of the countries. So, Charlie, stick this in your freaking small childish brain that the quality matter more than quantity.
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No wonder most of the wisdom are from ancient times. You rely too much on your technology and don't have your own thinking any more. The tech can only be as good as the people who use it. Is you opinion from your high tech machine? It would be a shame if it is you who put out these words.

Charlie1111 says: "China has more than 5000 years of history and one of the last uninterrupted civilizations....But the Chinese people have never succumbed to adversaries, not now, not in the future."

Charlie1111, why do you accord Sharon Stone such a level of importance that you feel the need to invoke 5000 years of history and elevate her to the level of an earth-shaking "adversary"?

A bit of overkill, don't you think?

I found it highly hypocritical of some Westerners to ignore the facts. If the Chinese did something that the Westerners used to do, it's called "abusive", or "no human right", or "support abusive regimes". So, Westerners say anything is about "freedom of speech", supporting dictatorships is about "free markets or national interests", allowing the sufferinigs of the Palestine people is "support democracy of the Isarel".

The facts: Sudan exports more to Japan than to China. India and other Wetsern are doing oil and gas businesses with Burma. But the scapgoat is still China. Why? Oh, because their name is still carying the word "Communist".

Bill-
It's not a double standard, this is a completely different thing. She is saying that the disaster which has killed 60,000 people was deserved- that the victims of the earthquake deserved to die due to the actions of their government.

The people you mention have never said that, for example, Hurricane Katrina was "payback" for the government's actions. That is just asinine.

after world war two,USA invaded other country just because these country had plent of oil and you need oil.
the American kill women and child.all of you have responsible for this .

Sharon:

High School: Keg Partys, Bong Hits, White Lines
Post-High School: Model, Couch Jockey
Post-Model: Hollywood Casting Couch Jockey

Now: Still making a living from her attractive fanny and making cute comments about death and destruction that Jerry Falwell would be proud of.

Not much has changed since High School.

I already see culture difference here even in choosing English word to express opinion. Chinese culture is much less confrontational. We are not aggressive at all. As for Sharon Stone, she is really not the root of the dispute. The real issue is that there are simply too much China bashing in American media for too long. We just got a little bit sick.

The darfur accusation is pure nonsense. as the other poster pointed out. It doesn't take much to find out that the whole issue is irrelevant to China. Sure China does some business in Sudan, so does other countries. And you may find some countries in the west actually supply the rebels. Even if you blame all the civil war deaths in Sudan on China, it is still far less than the unnecessary deaths in Iraq. These people are naked but laughing at others who wears shorter pants.

It is sad to look at Americans' views on China--the people who have never been to China, have never studied the language--; they are just so uniformed: an evil Chinese government, China participating in Sudan's genocide, the oppressed Tibet, American jobs taken away...
Do Americans--except the enlighten few--ever question that what they watch or hear from their media, controlled by big cooperations, is a form of propaganda and that they have been brainwashed all these time?
How come a nice people of 1.4 billion is under an evil government and loves the government? How come that China's one fourth of ownership of a Sudanese oil company--the other major owners are India, Singapore--equals China's participating in the civil war/tribal war within Sudan? How come that few Tibetan monks, outside of Tibet for 40 years or inside Tibet who do not work provided by the Central government of their food and clothing are the people of Tibet? I challenge all of you to show me even one Tibetan woman who is in this so-called free Tibet movement!! Because there wasn't. 96% of Tibetan people are living their lives just like you and me. As for the ever-changing Tibetan culture, it is the western culture to blame. In Lhasa, western influence is everywhere.
I pity those who are wearing the inexpensive clothes made in China to satisfy their desire of wasteful consumption and are hating China for producing inexpensively. And I despise those who shout Free Tibet and do not have an idea where Tibet is and what Dalai Lama means! If one does not try to learn, one's voice is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!" and that voice is the one of an idiot--quoting William Faulkner.

This kind of statement is ugly when it is made by the likes of Falwell and Robertson (Katrina was a punishment by God) and it is ugly when it is made by Sharon Stone.

One poster asked, why is the Chinese government so sensitive to the musings of a movie actress in the twilight of her career? Chinese and Americans cannot understand each other because we have two completely different world views. The career of Sharon Stone illustrates some of these differences. In American, we really don’t know the reason Sharon Stone became a famous actress. It was luck, timing and probably sleeping with a lot of influential movie executives. As explained, by F. Scott Fitzgerald in his book the “Last Tycoon,” about executive decision-making in the movie business: Many times there is no difference, but you have to make a choice. Many times you just choose on something trivial. So why not choose the actress whom you sleep with? No difference between actress A and actress B. But you only can choose one to star in a movie. As the years past, Sharon becomes famous. She says anything she wants, and in American, nobody really cares. For an actress, it’s really about getting your name in the paper, and staying famous. In China, actresses work for or at the pleasure of the government. If they speak, they speak for the government. Thus, a Chinese actress who speaks is voicing government policy. Seeing an American actress speak, Chinese officials think it is the same in America. An actress who speaks is voicing government policy. Thus the strong rebuttal from China; the Chinese officials think they are arguing with the American government. They just cannot imagine that Sharon Stone is just some whacked-out actress, who is allowed to voice whatever dull thoughts that might form in her head.

Sharon Stone is an imbecile... A highly paid and not too talented (at least not on the screen) imbecile.

The Chinese gov't is a totalitarian regime that represses its population. That is a fact and I find it difficult to believe any Chinese national who says they love having no freedom to make stupid, inane comments such as Stone made.

I have a great respect for China, the people, the culture, the history. But don't tell me I should kiss your buttocks for cheap clothes made in your country.

The Chinese government never said that Sharon S represented the US gov. Rather, it said that SS is an ACTRESS who should promote the understanding between the peoples rather than pretending to be a politician. As Confucius says: know thy name (position) and behave accordingly!

Show me one Chinese actor or actress criticizing the US government! One can always criticize one's own government--Chinese people do that everyday! But to open a big mouth babbling on the policies of another country which you are totally ignorant or misinformed by your own media, that is cross the line. Sharon S has the right to open her mouth, even though I prefer her opening her legs, the Chinese have the right to condemn her.

Mike,

"why do we care what Sharon Stone thinks? Why do we have to read about celebrity gossip in an otherwise respectable paper?"

Well said. And, I think that this statement by this particular actress, although inane sounding, was probably not representative. We've all occassionally said things we haven't thought through thoroughly, but at least Ms. Stone has enough heart and moral decency to support Tibetans.

To turn this into a front page article/column??? In this wonderful paper???

I think the fact that this particular columninst saw fit to make this her present article says much more about shallownes, Claire Hoffman, and the "religous" types of today, than about Sharon Stone.

If Claire Hoffman had any true morals and sense, she'd be writing about the myriad evils of Totalitarian China, and advocating an economic boycott of all Chinese made products.

Each time we purchase Chinese made products we are giving our implicit approval to a Totalitarian regime that is oppressing its own people by denying the freedoms we seem to take for granted in the West, terribly polluting our environment which is accelerating global warming, and whose unfair trade has greatly diminished the middle class'standard of living all through the Western world!

This whacko smokescreen of an article rightfully belongs in the tabloids, not the Washington Post.

It seems that some people in the US feel that they own the term "freedom." "We have "freedom" and the Chinese do not have it." "We go to Iraq and other parts of the world, because we have the "freedom" and they do not have it." Those sound really mentally challenged. How could a thinking adult use simple dichotomy "good" and "evil" to describe a very complicated world?

What do you mean by freedom? Can you give an accurate definition what you really mean by using that word? Name one thing in your life that is free please!? You can write on this site freely but so can the Chinese. You can badmouth your government; the Chinese criticize their government too only with civilized respect.

As for so-called cheap Chinese products, I challenge you to burn them all, especially clothing. Isn't it wonderful that this land would become a giant nude beach? Love it!

You cannot blame PRC citizens for their lack of understanding of democracy, freedom, and the liberties that we have in the US. It is a concept they simply do not understand. It would be like asking a Pilgrim his opinion about the merits of flying on a Boeing 747 versus a Boeing 777 for crossing the Atlantic from England to the New World. One interesting point from my travels in China. A Chinese citizen has an internal passport. They cannot travel from one part of China to another part of China without government permission. A Chinese citizen is not allowed to move from one city to another.

Anonymous is the example of what I have said in my previous posting. S/he has been brainwashed so much
that s/he is parodying the media:

"Each time we purchase Chinese made products we are giving our implicit approval to a Totalitarian regime that is oppressing its own people by denying the freedoms we seem to take for granted in the West, terribly polluting our environment which is accelerating global warming, and whose unfair trade has greatly diminished the middle class'standard of living all through the Western world!"

1. define totalitarian and tell me what is the difference between that and imperialism.
2. What kind of freedom you are in the west have? Invading other countries?
3. US is the largest polluter in the world. And pollution per capita, China is #11 with all your great western countries in front of it. China has 1.4 billion people which is 5 times more than the people in the US--in case you do not know this.
4. Like only the western world deserves the middle class standard of living! Too bad, Chinese and Indians and Brazilians are catching up, and they will have more money than you because they work harder. Don't be a crying baby. Start working hard!

I accidently get into this web site from the computer in my home in China. I found some people here are just too mean and too nasty to Chinese people. I don't understand where that hatrate comes from. We don't hate American at all. We just simply against some westerners prejudice.

Does Ms. Stone think her aneurysm or her husband being nibbled by a lion to be karma? Or does karma only apply to the misfortunes of others?

The comments by Stone are the most repulsive and disgusting since somewhat similar comments by certain right wing ministers about the 9/11 tragedies. Were there to be an equally destructive earthquake in Los Angeles, I do not think she would say this is bad karma for the Bush administration being unkind to the Iraqis by invading and occupying their country, with tens of thousands of Iraqis dying as a result.

Too many Americans, as evident by some comments on this and other blogs, are very ignorant about Chinese, as well as United States history. China has been a unified nation, freed from foreign imperialism and invasion in the modern era only since 1949. Yet some people think the Chinese government should enact radical political changes to make their country more democratic than the United States, which was not intended by the founding fathers to be a democracy and is not a true democracy. As but one example, if this was really a democracy, Al Gore would have been elected president nearly eight years ago. The United States will likely never be completely democratic in its government structure because of the original Constitution.

Probably more Americans, proportionally have been essentially indoctrinated to believe Bush-Cheney propaganda about the war in Iraq and to reject basic science, including evolution, as well as climate change. There is widespread cynicism among the Chinese people toward the government and strong resentment against pervasive corruption.
Change comes very slowly in this country, but some Americans think even more major changes should happen more quickly in China.

There already have been radical social, economic and cultural changes in China in only about thirty years. Contrary to what somebody said, people in China can freely travel within their own country, without needing government permission. Ignorance breeds prejudice and xenophobia, which are becoming more widespread in this country.

For those who see postings from Chinese citizens. Do not believe it. You cannot post on these sites from China, because China blocks access to western news websites. I know because when I visit China, I can access western sites on the first day of my visit, but thereafter I cannot. This is true for me and all my colleagues who visit China. It’s not hard to get around these blocks, but it is interesting that Chinese government puts so much effort into blocking English Language cites such as CNN.com, USA.com, etc.

This is just really unbelievable. How little does American public truly understand our society here in China? We travel freely inside of China! We don't need permission from our government! I don't need any permission from our government to discuss with your guys right now! China has been open up dramatically in last 20 years. The real debate between us and some people in USA is not about Sharon Stone and is not about Dalai Lama either. It is really about whether we have right to chose our own form of democratic system. There is nothing wrong for American people to emphasize freedom and individual liberty. Likewise, there is nothing wrong for Chinese people to emphasize collective mentalities. Different cultures and different languages just simply have different way of thinking.

How ridiculous of her to say that this is punishment for Chinese government actions in Tibet. Who would believe such a thing? Clearly a punishment for their actions in Darfur instead....

China deserves all the bad Karma it generates.

Chuck Fina.

Oy... I'm ashamed to say that Sharon Stone is from Western PA originally. She doesn't speak for Tibetan Buddhism, and she should just STFU.

I feel the same way about the China earthquakes that I do about the cyclone in Myanmar - it's tempting to say that it was karma. However, if it really WERE karma, the people that were in charge of the country would be the ones suffering, not the poor people that are stuck living in tents. It would be the contractors that built a school with cut-rate materials that would be trapped in the collapse, not students.

The tragedy in both circumstances is being exacerbated by the responses from their respective governments.

Bill, you are absolutely wrong. I am posting right now from NangJing city in China. I am surfing many English web sites including CNN, BBC, NY times, LA times, time, timeONline etc. Right now, it is 2:55am in NangJing and I really want to sleep. It is really fascinating experience to discuss with your guys, and also it is very good opportunity for me to practice English. I have to say that we know USA much more than your guys know about China. I truly believe that Chinese people and American people will be a good friend simply because Chinese culture and American culture are complimentary to each other.

feng2ming,

You are full of spinning, specious, nonsense that seems so typical of those who attempt to defend this Totalitarian Chinese regime. It is a testament to the forbearance of Western values that you can post such rubbish here.

It is you who need to get to work. Stop your lying and distortions, and start working to create what we had achieved for our middle class in the West.

Why is it legal for Westerners to purchase products made in China, when they could never be made in the West under those labor and environmental conditions? What China for the most part, followed be India, etc. are doing, is best described as "a race to the bottom".

The West, to a significant degree, has enacted many effective environmental regulations that have had tangible positive effects on our water and air quality. (Definitely, I'm not saying more can't be done). But, by shifting manufacturing largely to China, these positive laws are being effectively circumvented on a global perspective, leading to the increase in the pace of global warming.

Start working hard to level the playing field in human rights, rule of law, trade, and our shared environment, so that we can all prosper! To do this you will need a free press, and eventually a democracy, not a Totalitarian dictatorship as you presently exist under. Don't continue to endlessly engage in this ridiculous Soviet style propoganda!

Globalization and free market. If that is what makes you hate China so much, then nobody can help you. This process will lead to a level playing field for the global wealth, namely, the poor countries will improve and the rich countries will have to refrain from their life style (with the exception of the super rich). The surging of oil price will make heating our giant homes more expensive. And everything else will be pricer from now on. America consumes more than 25% of the energy on earth. They have to pay for it and compete with other countries who need it. So stop blaming China and conserve.

Tom: yes no countries like to be invaded, but please be reminded that the country that DID invade Tibet was Britain in 1904-1911. Tibet was part of China until then.
Of course the Chinese government is not perfect, but I think there is so much misunderstanding on what is really happening in China. And to Bill, no, there is no such thing as needing permission to travel from one city to another, that happens in North Korea.
People in Hollywood people think it's fashionable to be a buddhist and have connections with the Dalai Lama. But please really do your homework on what are the true meanings of karma, the philosophy of buddhism before claiming yourself as one. And for sure, saying the victims deserved their fate because of karma is utterly insensitive.

It is highly hypocritical when Sharon Stone on the one hand criticize the Chinese government and yet will reap the benefits of being in a Dior campaign that she knows it targets the Chinese. So you can make money off the Chinese people, curse them at the same time and elevate your own holiness.

And this is supposed to be a woman with a high IQ. Stone is a disgrace to any real men and women who have been doing charitable work around the world. Her saying that she is friends with the Dala Lama is the same as someone who is a racist and says racist comments, but it is okay because they have minority friends.

This is what we have, a fifty-year old big mouth hypocrite. Stick with your B-movies and just shut up.

I got tired and I really want to sleep. It is 3.25am here right now! but I really want to say a few more words. I salute those Americans here who show the generosity toward Chinese people and respect Chinese culture. I feel that kind of Americans are the majority in USA. I admit I am proud to be Chinese, just like vast majority of college students here in China, but also I have great respect to American people. When I took English class in high school, I was striked by Martin Luther King's comment, "I have a dream". I also have my own dream. That is not only we see the racial equality in USA, but also we will see the culture equality around globe.

Hello China and Chinese: Get over it...it is only one person's opinion. Grow up and act like adults, will you? Your feelings are not so important to others, if you don't like these things that is too bad. Everyone can say whatever they want.

I would like to ask Sharon Stone if she thinks the holocaust was a karmic event, or perhaps the evil work of a mad man?

CHARLIE1111,

"Globalization and free market. If that is what makes you hate China so much, then nobody can help you..."

Absolute rubbish. What exists presently is a "free" market, only in the sense that China's Totalitarian government has a free hand with which to exploit its people, our shared environment, manipulate its currency for further trade advantage, subsidize industries, etc., etc., all in order to maintain its hold on power.

I do agree that the West, particularly the U.S. consumes entirely too much. I personally, never engaged in this lifestyle, but alas, so many do.

Speaking of human rights and democracy, I do admire the current state of US democracy, at least one part of it. That is the population policy, or lack there of. Not so long ago, white Americans is over 80% of the population. Now it is 66%. The two main minorities will soon be the combined majority. Many people have more than 4 kids. Besides sustaining their own family lines, they contribute the extra two kids to the general population. When I was in college living in DC, the residents in the apartment building are mostly single parents with a lot of kids. One girl in her 20s has 4 kids and on government welfare and yet she smokes weed at 10$ a piece.

Some people have taken the issue into their own hands. One lady is having her 18th kid. And there is a polygamist who has 5 wives (at least two are mother-daughter that married to the same man) and more than 30 kids (on government welfare).

I wish China would have a similar policy so that everybody could have as many kids as they please. But we have 1.3 billion people already. And the one-Child policy only applies to the majority Han Chinese. This makes this tragedy even more heartbroken for many. It is a helpless situation.

Truth is strong medicine. Dosage is critical for all of us, and often only a small portion will be beneficial.

If one senses this is a universe governed by natural laws (including physical, mental, moral and spiritual), then it is reasonable to conclude that there are no accidents from a cosmic perspective, and what appears from the ordinary perspective to be a "random" or "accidental" event is in fact happening for a reason (though we may not know the reason ourselves, of course).

Karma is an ancient teaching of "how you behave, so you receive" or "as you sow, so you reap".

Perhaps it is administered over many lifetimes. Perhaps individual karma unites into a kind of group karma, and what might be called national karma does influence both good times and bad: good weather, periods of collective peace & prosperity as well as hard times for a nation, times of famine, economic collapse, war and even natural disasters such as earthquakes and tsunamis, etc.

If this is a metaphysical truth, it doesn't mean we don't have compassion for those injured or dead; and we should all contribute as we can to provide aid and alleviate the suffering of those afflicted.

But maybe in some fashion the law of karma is also involved in such events, and it is a truth not easily digested. It implies an element of individual and collective responsibility, rather than unfortunate and totally random "bad luck" behind any event.

Maybe it is time for more of us to contemplate whether this is a universe governed at all times in all circumstances by some form of cosmic law, or it really is a universe where random chance is ultimately the governing reality.

Anonymous:

You mentioned currency manipulation. But my dollars worth almost 20% less when I sent them back to China than threes ago. So what is the problem? Why the dollar is depreciating against all major currencies? When I was in Germany in 2000, one dollar was 1.3 euros. And I just came back from Spain and a dollar can get only 0.59 euros. Do you hate your government for this?

Anyone here knows that the epicenter area, Wenchuan, has more Tibetan Chinese than Han Chinese? I know that Sharon Stone is too smart to be bothered with facts, but I thought that some of you would like to know more before starting to talk.

As I understand it, karma is fate. Destiny. It is NOT the Judeo-Christian "doing this means 'this' will happen." Not the consequences of an action, but an unalterable fate.

Imposing one's belief, opinion or ideals upon others who may not want them is the main problem. If you believe karma, then good for you. I guess you need to behave nice to suit yourself. But don't impose this to others who have no such belief. If you have religious belief of some kind, good for you. You may be a good person because of your belief. But don't impose your belief onto others, or curse those who don't believe yours, or use your belief to justify your aggression against others.

I understand some people have strong belief in their way of life. But when you impose your ideals onto others, first you need to understand what they want. If you know little about their lives and still forcefully impose your ideals, then it is not for the sake of those who need help. It is just pleasuring yourself.

Congratulations to Dalai Lama for having a good friend as Sharon Stone. How about hire her as your spokewoman.

It's necessary to see the difference between Chinese Culture and the Chinese Government. The Chinese Government employs thousands of people whose only job is to monitor internet traffic. Sites banned typically include American and European news sites and anything seen as possibly critical to the Chinese Communist Party or its rulers and leaders. Criticism of them (Communist Party or its leaders) or the government can result in imprisonment for 10 years or more and being sent to a "re-education facility." Probably, if the authorities thought you were just "being cute," and didn't know what you were saying, you might get away with just being "re-educated.: But, if they think you are a real radical or "troublemaker" then it's off to prison for a long time. Also, you can move around fairly freely in China, however, if you are a farmer from the countryside and don't have much money, then moving around won't do you much good. If you have connnections, to the Party or to Party Officials, you can often get better housing, medical care and other subsidies. Mostly, the problem in China, I believe is corruption and that the rule of law is not yet defined in China. The rules being made, however, by Party officials, and too often this results in corruption. Party and Army officials often own factories and businesses, in partnership with Western Businessmen, hence you can see how corrupt (since the officials make the rules and collect any taxes) things are.

It saddens me to see North Americans, including born-again leaders, clever movie stars, would become good friends of Dalai Lama, an idol worshipper. One does not need to read a lot of the biblical scripture to figure out how much God likes this.

What karma? It is just the end time, predicted by Jesus 2000 years ago, is coming:
Matthew 24: 7 "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places."

Luke 21: 11 "There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven."

Let us love each other and look out for each other in these difficult times! God will remember us when we ourselves face any of these disasters.

Sharon Stone said nothing offensive or slanderous. In fact, all the slander is coming from the angry Chinese mob toward Sharon Stone. She should not have to feel forced to appologize for her comments because Chineses have gotten away with murder (of Tibetans) for many years now and it was pay back time. It was long over due and I hope that if Chinese don't learn from this experience, they deserve bigger punishment. Even other Asians consider Chinese to be at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to being dirty, filthy , bad manners, and human rights violation. They don't care about life. All they care about is making money. However you look at it, far more Chinese died than Tibetans, so karma got China. China, you need to be kind to Tibet if you want sympathy from us.

sharon stone is an idiot! Her musings on the disaster in China is typical of the celebrity elite which has assumes an importance an influence far beyond that it deserves.

Next, we should expect Madonna to chime in with her views

Rice Pudding:

I can see where you come from. The problem is that, there is a little idiot "Sharon Stone" (or may be Dalai lama) in the back of every heartless mind. You are not alone. And Hitler must be laughing from his grave.

Some Chinese wad wrote:

"I challenge all of you to show me even one Tibetan woman who is in this so-called free Tibet movement!! Because there wasn't. 96% of Tibetan people are living their lives just like you and me. As for the ever-changing Tibetan culture, it is the western culture to blame. In Lhasa, western influence is everywhere."

What world are you living in, idiot. There are thousands of Tibetan women in what you call the "free Tibet movement". I've met plenty of them. If you ask people inside Tibet when they are safely away from Chinese spies and informers, they all say the same thing. They want the Chinese to leave. They want the Dalai Lama to return. They want Tibet to be free again.

Honestly, it's depressing how many so called Chinese college students have so much time to trawl the net spewing lies and rubbish about the west's so-called bias against China, and no time to find out about the truth of their own government's horrible crimes against the Tibetan people, which are continuing to this day.

FREE TIBET.

TO HELL WITH THE CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY

AND MAY ALL THE DELUDED IDIOTS WHO SUPPORT IT

(CHINESE OR OTHERWISE)

ROT IN HELL

Lucky China!

If I never see or hear this trashy actress, I wouldn't be missing anything and it would be a better world.

By the way, did Stone got an idea from Rev. Wright's comment on the 9-11?
Why is everyone talking like a Buddhist all of sudden?

Alex:

There is a Chinese saying: "Do not blame the man who knows nothing" (不知者不怪). You posting is nonsense anyway. I hope others will not respond to your post. But I have to addmit, your post is NO.1 so far. You make Hitler happier than Rice Pudding did.

Just when I am ready to sleep in China right now, I find "Jun Shan" again. Jun shan, you are too negative toward China. Let me tell you what kind of Chinese government officials I met a few days ago when I was at the site of Sichuan earthquake. I was at MingYiang Hospital to help those survivors when Chinese premier Wen Jiabao came to the the hospital. He talked to every single patient. He has worked at the rescuing site non-stop for 48 hours. He cried very badly when he comforted those people who lost their love ones. He is not alone in the central government.

I have to stop here and really got sleep. We could debate tommorrow. Bye, everybody. God bless China. God bless USA.

Alex, it's people like you and the Chinese government and majority of Chinese who support it who are making Hitler laugh right now. He is tickled pink at the thought of all the Tibetans being tortured and killed by your people.

To those people who still think there is a karmic truth of her statement:

1. The epicenter is on the border of the Aba Tibetan Autonomous Region which consists of 80% Tebetans. The death toll in Aba alone is a shocking 20,124! and counting. See the tally below:
http://english.sina.com/china/1/2008/0530/164567.html

2. Had Ms. Stone known this fact, she probably would not have thought of the karmatic connection. But again for people like herself who is capable of even entertaining such a thought, God help! If there were some truth to the karmic theology, it would only apply to her kind of people.

3. It is even more astonishing that her Tibetan 'friends' did not point out that fact to her when asking her 'help'. But again, no surprise here. Their goal is the return of Dalai Lama's theocracy in Tibet and the regain of their ex-serfs. Their means is to spin the media, to manipulate fools like her. Ha, many tofu-brained celebrities fall for it!

4. With a hugely disproportionate casualty to Tibetans, what did Dalai Lama do? The samo samo charming diplomcy --- tour European capitals to advocate the real return of theocray and slavery to Tibet in the name of reglious freedom and human liberty. Meanwhile, his Hollywood friends -- Sharon Stone in particular -- are doing their best by only debating if they should help. No surprise here! To Dalai Lama and his exile slave owners, their Tibetan subjects have always been just another serf --- whose worth is as much as or less than the dirt that they used to own. Dalai Lama's brand of compassion? Give me a break!!

5. Giving her the benefit of doubt, Ms. Stone might not have had her infamous karma moment if she knew the quake victum fact. Can we say the same if Dalai Lama's Hollywood friends, the Western mainstream media -- she included -- have learned some Tibetan history? What are they advocating? To me, nothing short of theocracy and slavery -- inter-racial (Tibetan-to-Tibetan) slavery to be precise. Shame on them all.

6. There are many atrocities committed by the Communist Party to all people of China. Getting rid of Dalai Lama's Tibetan slavery is not one of them. Shocking but true. The Chinese government's war against the Tibetan separatists in 1950 was in fact the Communist's ideal to abolish Dalai Lama's serfic (slavery) system in Tibet. Of course, the slave owners revolted, and were driven out. It is those people and their descendents make up the Tibetan independence movement totay. If you realy concern about liberty and human right of Tibetans, join the fight for all Chinese people. The train of Tibetan exile's cause goes nowhere!

7. Dalai Lama appears hollier to many people only because he now lives on other people's land -- no land to own and no serf to own. Sharon Stone's karma moment exposed only the tip of an iceberg that is the igorant mass wooed and used by the Tibetan extremists whose real goal has always been the return of theocracy and slavery to Tibet.

8. To those celebrities like Sharon Stone and Richard Gere who count Dalai Lama as their friends, they should suspect the Highness did not teach them the real, the important part of the Tibetan history. Next tiem when they champion the 'Tibetan Cause' again, let us all remind them that America under the leadership of Lincoln has once fought and won an abolition civil war, and China had won its version of the abolition battle. For true ideal of liberty and freedom for all, say no return of slavery to any people. Not to the people of their best friend.

PS: It is astonishing how incompetent the Chinese propaganda machine has been. The argument is on their side but somehow they have managed nonetheless to have lost the public opinion battle in the West.

Oops, sorry to Alex. I meant to say Charlie1111.

charlie1111,

".. So what is the problem? Why the dollar is depreciating against all major currencies?.."

Americans purchasing so very many "cheap", "free trade" foreign goods; the great majority from China. As you know, I've gone into more detail about how the Chinese government encouraged the situation, by creating and maintaining a "low cost" manufacturing environment.

The U.S. has gone from being the biggest creditor nation in the world to the largest debtor nation, in a shockingly short period of time.. But ultimately these "cheap" products come at a very stiff cost, as we are now finding out.

"..Do you hate your government for this?" While hate may be much too strong a word, I believe trade policy over several years, has been naive at the very least.. and, most probably in bed with the interests who stood to profit from this.

911 is also " Karmic retribution" ?, Hurricane Katrina is also " Heaven Damnation"? everyday Tornado killing is also " heaven damnation"? wildfire disaster every year also " heaven damnation"??
waw !!!! that are too much " Karmic retribution" to the US, yes????? What our USA did against the GOD??????

A little tidbit of info regarding Ms. Stone's connection to MENSA. This can be found under "Sharon Stone Wikipedia - MENSA controversy". After reading this, i have my doubts as to how smart, honest and sincere she claims to be....

Shame on you, Sharon Stone, just like your name, your head is a piece of ignorant and stubborn "stone"
you should learn more knowledge before your open your mouth.

Anonymous:
While China is benefiting from the trade in the name of surplus, China is paying a steep price as well. The 1.6 trillion dollars of surplus is now worth 20% less. Most of the products from China are under US and other foreign brands. It is the multinational companies who benefited the most from this process. China sacrifices her natural resources, the environment and cheap labor, among other things to satisfy the forever squeezing foreign customers. In the process, the people who are buying these products are complaining the job loss and other unrelated matters and blame them on China. They will vent their anger whenever chance they get. The Olympic torch relay and Tibet riots offered good opportunities for them to vent. DD100 pointed out the inability of Chinese media to win the public favor in terms of Tibet. But some people are not able to judge with a fair mind when it comes to China.

As to the debt, in China, we save a high percentage of our income though we don't make much. In the US, people spend more than they earn. I live in an area where I can see people wearing shorts in a snow day to take out the trash. My colleagues set his home temperature at well over 80 degree F in winter and my work place will be below 70 F in summer (I have to wear a jacket). Everybody knows it is not sustainable but who wants to treat him/herself badly?

Stone's coments were horrible and completely abhorrible. Does she honestly believe that the several thousands of people killed were all involved or responsible for the maltreatment of the Tibetans? Although the latter case needs more international attention and action, insinuating that the people of a nation were rightly "punished" through "karma" for the actions of a government is absurd and disgusting.

to Alex,
you are a hybrid, otherwise, why you hate communist party so much?

to Alex,
you are a hybrid, otherwise, otherwise,why you hate communist party so much?

Has anyone asked Tom Cruise for his opinion on this matter? Perhaps we can make the situation even stranger than it already is.

"Giving her the benefit of doubt, Ms. Stone might not have had her infamous karma moment if she knew the quake victum fact. Can we say the same if Dalai Lama's Hollywood friends, the Western mainstream media -- she included -- have learned some Tibetan history? What are they advocating? To me, nothing short of theocracy and slavery -- inter-racial (Tibetan-to-Tibetan) slavery to be precise. Shame on them all."

This is not true. Pre-invasion Tibet was not a perfect place, but it was peaceful and humane, certainly by comparison with its neighbours China and India. Read accounts by western travellers (Amaury de Riencourt, Heinrich Harrer, John Claude White) and Tibetans (Lobsang Gyatso, Mary Taring, Tubten Khetsum) for the truth. The Chinese Maoists had a vested interest in portraying Tibet as hell on earth to justify their invasion, so they made up this slave-serf-oppression story. People like the Chinese futzheads on this board apparently think any sane person will believe them when they spew this rubbish out here. News for you: it's not working, it hasn't worked for decades, and it's never going to work. If you're going to try to sell lies, at least try to come up with a better one.

In the interest of accuracy: China hasn't been "totalitarian" for a long time. The government does not mobilize the population for political projects on a continuous basis. People are pretty much left alone -- provided they don't challenge state power.

As Jun Shan accurately notes, if one poses a serious challenge to the state, then all bets are off. So China is "authoritarian", with all the attendant advantages (e.g., an ability to repress societal demands in favor of rapid economic growth) and disadvantages (you can get royally rochambeaued if you seriously challenge the state). So the Chinese state is not going to win any beauty contests anytime soon.

Somewhat more disturbing is the hypersensitivity of the general population to any perceived criticism. Off-the-cuff remarks from forgettable media figures, whether Sharon Stone or Jack Cafferty, send mainlanders into a paroxysm of outrage.

Note to Gisele and others. Chinese cannot freely travel and live where ever they wish in China. By saying so, you are simply showing your complete ignorance of the situation.

Chinese Student From NangJing, China, if you are truely from Nanjing, and you are able to read and post to Western News Sites, then you must be one of the trusted and privileged members of the communist party.

Since we are off topic for large part of the discussion, I digress and show some remanents of Dalai Lama's rule. (from Phyliburbs Blog)

Tibet: a toilet nightmare
There are violent protests against the Chinese in the Tibetan city of Lhasa, an attempt by separatist Tibetans to compromise the Olympics. I witnessed similar tension 23 years ago when I visited the “Roof of the World.” Back then Lhasa had but a single western-style hotel. It was booked, so I stayed at a Tibetan rooming house for $3 a night. My pillow was stuffed with peanut shells and the mattress was rope. There must have been at least 500 flies to a room, attracted by the smell of human excrement piling up in the so-called “bathroom” down the hall. There was no plumbing or anything resembling a toilet. You simply squatted, made your deposit and left. Eventually, someone hauls it away. Out on the street was mud and unwashed people, a number of who spent their day prostrating themselves to the Tibetan gods. Up, down, stretch out on the ground … up, down, stretch out on the ground … it was the equivalent of a 9-5 job. To the eye of an American, this city was dirt poor, although I don’t think anyone there knew it. But up on the hill, in the Potala Palace built by the monks and now run by China as a tourist attraction, is room after room after room after room after room after room after room after room – of gold. To the eye of an American, this looked like great wealth. Wasted wealth. The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity. The Tibetans think the Chinese are tying to destroy their culture and consider them occupiers. Hence the tension and protests. But the Tibetans, then and now, happily sell trinkets to the tourists the Chinese bring in. It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast.

does STONE know May 12 China earthquake happened in the Tibetan residents area?

So if the earthquake was China's bad karma, what does that say about hurricane Katrina, and all the raging wild files, numerous tornadoes and crazy severe weather that has damaged and riped apart the US since 2000?

Having worked in China for over ten years, I have to say that English-speaking Chinese are very sensitive about their culture and by extension their government. The concept of face is very important. From my experience, Chinese people whose families are well-connected to government tend to be less sensitive. This is probably because they have had access to the outside world. Furthermore being connected to the government power structure, they generally feel they have nothing to prove to the "round eyes."

Liberal hollywood elitists say stupid things all the time, but for some reason their political views are taken seriously-by the MSM only!
Obama'08....NOT!!

Bill:

Chinese do have the right to travel and live wherever they wish, with the exception of Hong Kong and Macao. Those two places require special permit. Every where else is fair game. There are about over 200 million migrant workers in China. Many people in my village are now living in the cities.

But the benefit offered to city residents and the migrant workers are different and discriminatory due to legacy policy from the 1950s. The government is working to gradually abolish this policy.

The Chinese can access to western news sites. This is at least confirmed by my friends in China. If you look at the posts from many major news sites, you will see more people confirming this. I don't think the government bother to hire people to change a few people's mind in the west by posting here. That is just dumb. Most posters from China are either students or overseas Chinese (we have about 60 million living outside mainland).

charlie1111, you must be the running dog of you village government to write such stuff.

Bill:

I treat you as a person. I was wrong. Why are you barking so viciously?

You've gotta admit, that woman looks damned fine for a 50-something. Wow.

Well, S. Stone has obviously given this subject alot of serious thought - but I wish she could have kept her thoughts about it to herself.

Bill is a good example why China will not hire people trying to change the mind of a few toads living in a well. It is just impossible. But Bill thinks so. He is taking himself too seriously. Good for him. Enjoy life in your dwelling.

What a Stupid Woman-- non-human!!!!!!!! Wondering if her children/ parents were dead in a disaster, would she able to see the events in a same way ??!!

Actually, the way of Chinese ppl trat Tibet----- mainli its the govt 's decision!!!!!!!!, but most ppl dead in the earthquake are poor ppl...

:( whihle poor chinses ppl and cute young children are dying-
some rich, "kind", "Clever" "fun" American Are Happy to see this "karma"........

Plus, If you dont like Chinese govt, that fine... BUt do Chinese ppl deserve a karma??????
Could i could if you dont like U.S. Govt, do All AMERICAN DESERVE A karma
????????

NOT FAIR AH???

who cares what sharon stone thinks. we have money, weapons, and most population in the world. we will take over america and europe and the rest of the world and kill whoever gets in our way!

This is my last comment of today because I really have to sleep (it is 6.30am in China!). Bill, I really feel sad when you say "Chinese Student From NangJing, China, if you are truly from Nanjing, and you are able to read and post to Western News Sites, then you must be one of the trusted and privileged members of the communist party". I swear to God: I am definitely in Nangjing, China; I am definitely not the member of the communist party. Bill, you could just simply call USA embassy in Beijing or in Shanghai and ask them to go to any internet bar on the street in those cities to see how many English web sites they can log onto. It is very easy to test. In addition, you could ask this washingtonpost web site to check my IP address for my computer which I am using right now. They definitely can find my computer's IP address and see whether the IP address comes from China or not. I have nothing to hide.

The fact that you even don't believe Chinese people in China can freely log onto thousands of English web sites shows how little American public understands the current Chinese society. I am not angry. I just feel sad. Many years of China bashing in the western media have completely distorted true image of China. That is why I strongly believe majority of American people will be the friend of Chinese people once they know the complete picture of China.

I wonder how many posters here are Westerners posing as Chinese, and vice versa, to say outrageous things as a way to make the other side look unreasonable.

After reading some of the comments posted here - Sharon Stone is starting to sound like a genius.

Falwell & Robertson claimed that 9/11 was God's punishment for the repeal of sodomy laws, and neither of them gave a magnificent performance in a Martin Scorsese film. Nor does Stone make any claims at being the spiritual leader of millions. What say her detractors unclench their butt cheeks and take a break?

historically beautiful women have ALWAYS felt >entitled of course they got away with it because if you disagreed with them no sex which is all they can trade on.
i think its great that the whole world can see for them selves what a stupid ignorant uncouth IMBECILE sharon stone actually is.
hooray for the internet
btw tibet was a diesease infested sewer before the chinese showed up and actually built a hospital. the only thing the dalai lama has is OOMMMM OOOMMM OOOMMM THE SOUND OF CONFUSION duh.

After reading some of the comments posted here - Sharon Stone is starting to sound like a genius.

Stone is an example victim of USA distored Chinese news.

historically beautiful women have ALWAYS felt >entitled of course they got away with it because if you disagreed with them no sex which is all they can trade on.
i think its great that the whole world can see for them selves what a stupid ignorant uncouth IMBECILE sharon stone actually is.
hooray for the internet
btw tibet was a diesease infested sewer before the chinese showed up and actually built a hospital. the only thing the dalai lama has is OOMMMM OOOMMM OOOMMM THE SOUND OF CONFUSION duh.

After reading some of the comments posted here - Sharon Stone is starting to sound like a genius.

Chinese student from Nanjing. You are remarkably even-tempered and reasonable. Let me make one remark, though: "Bill" is a poster on this blog, but who knows where is actually from. Moreover, do you think any one poster here can stand as a representative of an entire society? That's generalizing a bit too far.

Unfortunately, I doubt that what you perceive as "China bashing" is going to go away anytime soon. There seems to be a fundamental difference over some basic political values between the US and China. Thus the friction.

After reading some of the comments posted here - Sharon Stone is starting to sound like a genius.

I don't care what she says. I mean, who ever takes seriously what these people say. For her age, she looks stunning in these photos.

......
although i m not really satisfied with our govt neither.
but i really dont like some FXX American to laugh at our govt.......esp, when so many little children and poor ppl dead.

But I also have to say, its a free world, you could say anything you want........ In that case, could we say 9/11 is a "karma" ??? ---- oh yeah- i forgot-- that 9/11 is not a 'natural' Disaster. ..........

we have to look at that way- If you dont like the Govt, then you dont like this country or ppl there, Right???????

I agree with Tom Cruise. I may not agree with your Scientology belief, But I do like your movies.

I agree with your point very much. The discussion is for a better understanding. A generalized view about a great country like the US or China should not be simply formed from a few posters here, be it Chinese or American, especially the negative view. I believe most human being are kind and warm hearted. So I believe a generalized negative view is always wrong.

I notice some people pretend to be Chinese or American posting vicious messages. Their purpose may be to promote hatred among the peoples. Please don't fall into their trap.

"ike many readers of Under God, Stone obviously has formed an understanding of the divine mechanics of the universe. Like many these days, she's using karma as a term to justify an understanding that everything happens for a reason." Bwahahahaha! >

I think you need to be a little more explicit with regard to "understanding of the universe". You guys over the pond are hilarious with these proud displays of poor thinking; strutting around with bronze age / new age "explanations" for your self centered universe. lol. You crazy cats, your not that important!

CHARLIE1111,

"While China is benefiting from the trade..."

Your posting is dissembling nonsense. The Totalitarian Chinese government "partners" with the Western corporations. The government owns many business outright. The Chinese government enables all of the myriad negative things that I mentioned.

The Western corporations are profit driven and amoral, and their respective governments are moral cowards to allow the end products to be sold in their nations. Fruit of the poisonous tree.

Anonymous,
Is China really "totalitarian"? Come on, you discredit your argument out of the starting box with such exaggeration...

Sharon Stone's comment is RIGHT.

May 12 was Budda's birthday, and the edge of tibet (called xizang in china) got his anry signal. If that is not karma, what is it?

Anonymous:
For one thing, all the corporations were owned by the government before the reform. But now, more than half belong to private sector, join venture or foreign owned. The major government owned corporations are not the ones who export the most. It is the joint ventures and foreign owned corporations who are exporting the most to the west.

Don't simply blame the government for your spending less on the same product. Think about your own greed trying to save a few bucks when you go shopping. It is the economy.

Do she not know that the quake kill many Tibetans too? Over 40% Tibetan live in the place. I"m sorry but she need to sTFU.

Human beings and rest of the living beings were procreated by the process of Punchikaran from Punch Mahabhuts by the creator or God or Brahm.These Punch Mhahbhuts are Akash, Vayu,Agni,Apya and Prithvi.Prithvi means earth itself which all continents belongs to.Concept of Karma followed this in relation to what deeds Human beings perform in general during their life time.This proves and establishes that China being part of Prithvi is not subjected to theory of Karma.Earthquake has no relation with theory of Karma.

I am not in the custom of seeking deeper insights from the glitterati, particularly during Cannes or any other cinema gathering. As for karmas role in the (latest) Chinese earthquake disaster who is to say. As humans I believe that we have little or no control over the forces of nature (apart perhaps our stoking of the fires of global warming.) We do, however have some control over our behaviour. With respect to China's role in Tibet: the curse of a long and storied history is that one can select any point upon the timeline for a precident in order to rationalize an unforgivable policy. Would Bejing like to once again be subordinated to the Khan and ruled from central Mongolia? I think not. We must care for and respect each other in the here and now. Genocide never has and never will wear well. China has a lot in its plate right now in assisting the survivors of the quake and avoiding compromised building standards in the future such that buildings full of only-child pupils need not be crushed to death in future temblors. Unfortunately the tried and true method of the Communist Party to follow tragedy with summary executions of the "guilty" parties implicated in any inquiry will do little to improve the lot of the Chinese people if no real improvements in construction techniques and oversight are to follow. As for Tibet, China's hope for peaceful and harmonious relations within its own current and perhaps arguable borders as well as with the rest of the world will remain in jeopardy so long as aspirations of self-determination and self-expression of its citizens, the Han as well as the ethnic minorities of the region are thwarted by a monolithic state. Fix what can be fixed, and hope for the best from that which we cannot control, but understand that if more is fixed, less hope will be required.

HOLD ON COWBOY,

"Is China really "totalitarian"? Come on, you discredit your argument out of the starting box with such exaggeration..."

Really. I suppose it depends on whether or not you are one of China's lackeys. Semantics, at best.

totalitarian

adjective
Autocratic, one-party, dictatorial, ...

sorry, anonymous, it's not just semantics. There is a huge difference between totalitarian and authoritarian governments (akas, dictatorships, autocracies, etc.) Your misuse of the terms suggests you are ignorant about the nature of the current political system in China.

"Chinese American:
Sharon Stone's comment is RIGHT.
May 12 was Budda's birthday, and the edge of tibet (called xizang in china) got his anry signal. If that is not karma, what is it?"

Do you mean that 68000plus pple have to die for the "karma" of another group of pple, i.e. the Government? Interesting. It's like saying I have to bear the karma of what my neighbour did.

And if this earthquake is karma, does this mean 9-11, the hurricane, etc are all "well deserved" karma?

A point to ponder, eh?

CHARLIE1111,

Even if we accept your statistics as 100% accurate, the Totalitarian (oops, would "Oppressive", or "Authoritarian" be more to the Cowboy's liking?) Chinese Communist government calls the shots. I stand by what I said about the morally bankrupt Western governments that collude in the whole stinking process, too.

"Don't simply blame the government for your spending less on the same product. Think about your own greed trying to save a few bucks when you go shopping. It is the economy."

There you go yet again, with your dissembling, specious arguments. If we don't blame the governments that are in charge of trade policy by fostering this sorry state of affairs (both China's and the West's), who do we blame? Fortunately, in the West, we have democratically elected governments which can be changed. Totalitarian China does not have that wonderful right.

And I, and a growing number of others do not base our buying decisions solely on price. It is not good for our economy in the long run, to do so. In the face of government inaction (so far), we have chosen to act.

COWPOKE,

".. There is a huge difference between totalitarian and authoritarian governments (akas, dictatorships, autocracies, etc.).." Your misuse of the terms suggests you are ignorant about the nature of the current political system in China.

Yeah, that's a real biggie..

Your defense of "the current political system" indicates much worse.

Anonymous,
My problem with your terminology is that it suggests that you don't really seem to care what the current situation is in China. You have an image in your mind (bad China, bad!) and that's all you need. Enjoy that. You aren't doing your cause any favors with your ham-fisted tirades.

All humanity today must deal with Karma produced by humanity's past actions, even as we continue to generate more Karma with our current thinking and behavior.

Until a critical mass of humanity can begin to slow this vicious Karmic cycle by becoming more compassionate, wise, enlightened....

....our common history of war, torture, slavery, and oppression is doomed to keep on repeating.

Actually, it is a punishment for bad seismic engineering and failure to enforce the building codes.

Earthquakes don't kill people.

Collapsing buildings kill people.

Hi C'POKE,

"..You aren't doing your cause any favors with your ham-fisted tirades."

No tirades here. Try addressing the issues instead of extraneous semantical minutia, if that.

Nonetheless, as I thought I made clear in a very recent post, I gave you one dictionary definition for 'totalitarian'.

Here is another; "totalitarian: of or relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subserviance to the state."

I think if you ask the many political prisoners of China's, if China fit that description and they were actually able to give honest, informed opinions, they would readily agree.

" My problem with your terminology is that it suggests that you don't really seem to care what the current situation is in China."

But I do. I feel "we are all in this together", and I would absolutely love for Chinese people to enjoy freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and much more, as we do. Unfortunately, because of China's Authoritarian Dictatorship (does that term suit you better??), they do not have these things, and should they press for them in anything close to a meaningful way, they will be "re-educated" at the least, or jailed. Ask the citizens of Tibet.

"You have an image in your mind (bad China, bad!) .."

Gosh, what would give me these sorts of thoughts?

"..Enjoy that."

Just because I had some fun with your name. Well, golly, no need to have a hissy fit:)!

Stone is SOB

I dont really believe those bad intentions they suposse to be in her words... she's a very good woman

Stone is a SOB

Well,one thing I don't understand is that more than 1.3 billion people live in China,and they live well and they trust their government,and they are happy to be a chinese,but why you gus always say that China is bad ,so bad,and very bad....I don't know why.does thoes 1.3 billion people have no feeling of what is good or bad?Of course NOT!So ,we will have our better live in China,and you will have your own live in your country,so we don't need to bother you to wrong about us.thanks.

Anonymous,

I'm not sure which dictionary you are using, but you need a better version:

Totalitarianism = a regime that constantly mobilizes its citizens to accomplish political goals (e.g., Hitler's Germany, China during Cultural Revolution).
It's a particular brand of political system, somewhat rare, and pretty noxious.

In contrast, an authoritarian government merely keeps the smack down. It doesn't mobilize, and doesn't care much what the average citizen does as long as he/she doesn't challenge the state in a serious fashion. Lots of these systems in the world today; they are not lovely, but are a whole different animal from totalitarian systems. China today qualifies as authoritarian, by any reasonable standard.

Clearly, authoritarian systems are deeply flawed and lead to flagrant abuse of citizens' rights. But what is almost as bad are dumbasses who are unable to make cogent arguments without distortion or exaggeration. As an American, I have a vested interest in this: I don't appreciate my countrymen being seen as morons.

In light of the rapid response from the central government to the earthquake tragedy, many media reports acknowledged the effectiveness of the Chinese government. The premier was in the quake area a few hours after the quake and stayed there for five days. The president also went there for three days to replace the premier. The military put in more than 50000 soldiers in two days and more than 130000 after 4 days. The condition is very dangerous as aftershocks and landslides happen all the time. There are many more volunteers. And there have been no riots and the victims are joining the rescue effort. The donation so far reached 6.0 billion dollars.

But in the mean time, many reporters here mentioned that, since the Chinese government are not elected, they have to respond quickly and care for the people in order to remain legitimate. In the US, it is a democracy and the president has a mandate.

Very nice argument (try to squeeze some negative with anything from China). No wonder most Chinese support their government. While in the US, the most votes a president can get is just over half. So he only needs to respond (or not) to those who elected him/her. That may be the reason that the president didn't have to win praise for his Katrina effort. I do envy the right to elect the president. But so what? do they care about you and me? Maybe to get my vote. After elected, he is legitimate and doesn't need to do anything for you. To wait for another election to have your day maybe just a dream. You may need to work it out yourself. That is what most Chinese people are doing.

I'd hit it too.

WORD

"I'm not sure which dictionary you are using, but you need a better version..."

I was using the one on my one year old computer. If you're not satisfied with that, here is the one in Webster's:

totalitarian 1 a: of or relating to centralized control by an autocratic leader or hierarchy: Authoritarian, Dicatorial

"..But what is almost as bad are dumbasses who are unable to make cogent arguments without distortion or exaggeration. As an American, I have a vested interest in this: I don't appreciate my countrymen being seen as morons."

If you were as much an American patriot as you seem to think you are, you would address the issues and not spin endlessly about semantics; if you persist; by keeping to this tack, you seem the moron.

Buddhism is about Universal Love, Benevolence, Sincerity and most of all: Aloof to Worldly & Mundane Values.
Ms. Stone exhibits NONE of the above virtues.
The blame should not rest totally on her. She is just another heartless and ignorant follower of you know who.
Moreover, her brain is not in her head, but between her legs.

Sharon only knows karma sutra.

Thanks, anonymous, I take that as a compliment. And I am addressing the issue: distorted use of language. Your dictionary is inaccurate on the term.

2 comments on the comments:

- Spelling is a lossed art.

- Think much, Speak little, Write less.

This earthquake has leveled homes for more than 5 million people, homes for another 10 million will be demolished, impacted 45 million people, about 70000 killed and about 20000 missing. The quake was felt as far as Vietnam, Shanghai, Beijing and Hong Kong. The earthquake brought the Chinese people together to overcome this disaster. Most countries in the world have sent help in various ways. The Chinese people have nothing but appreciation for these countries and their people. Thank you very much!

The Chinese people understand that, not everybody sympathizes with the victims of this natural disaster and will not expect as such. But a surprise for at least of us living abroad, is that the happiest people from this disaster are the Falun Gong folks and some "human rights" activists. Good to see them show their true color.

For Sharon Stone, she surprises some Chinese people only because she has a lot of ads in China for Dior and others. She makes money in China and yet don't show any refrain from whatever she got from her noble king, Dalai Lama. Naturally, the ads will not work in China anymore and her movies will be baned. If not for those ads in China, the outrage would be much more muted, as some poster pointed out with a comparison of what if a Chinese actress said something about Katrina. So enough about her.

Anyway, it's been a great discussion. Thanks and good night.

C-Boy,

"Thanks, anonymous, I take that as a compliment. And I am addressing the issue: distorted use of language. Your dictionary is inaccurate on the term."

Merriam-Webster is innacurate? And, we're supposed to take your word on that??

Are you a semantical b.s. one-trick wonder, simply unable to address the substantive issues that I've raised? Are you really an American? I think rather, your masters are not going to be happy..

I want to say we don't believe that's a God in the world at all in China. God is just the Almighty for yours.
By the way, please explain the fire in Hollywood! Should we understand that it's also a karma?

The one who stated him/herself as chinese, posted on June 1, 2008 6:35 PM, saying Chinese is going to kill every one in its way:
Bad try! We never speak in that way. Chinese do never believe that we have money and weapon, especially when we talk to Americans. You need to try harder next time you pretend to be a Chinese.
And... Was there anyone said that we cannot log on Western Website? Interesting...Were you suggesting that some Americans were helping us to post these?
And oh, Sharon Stone...Well, she had her freedom to say whatever she wanted to say. And we're just practicing our freedom to make her pay for her stupidity.
BTW, don't worry about the censorship of the movie in China for us. We may be more free that you believe and able to see whatever we want to see, if we really want, one way or another. And I can assure you that some Chinese will still watch Stone's movie...you know, people have physical need to be satisfied by porns ...ehh, I should not say that.
And the last two statements:
First, I love US and may begin my study as a graduate students in your beautiful country.
And second, I support our government. Actually, we appreciate the high rate of economical development. We'll need democracy, when we can afford it economically.
Umm, is it difficult to love both China and US? I do not think so. For I'm loving the both:-)
Good day Americans!

Bill,
I read your words in xiamen fujian province China,so do you want to say something about your words:Chinese Student From NangJing, China, if you are truely from Nanjing, and you are able to read and post to Western News Sites, then you must be one of the trusted and privileged members of the communist party.

The one who stated him/herself as chinese, posted on June 1, 2008 6:35 PM, saying Chinese is going to kill every one in its way:
Bad try! We never speak in that way. Chinese do never believe that we have money and weapon, especially when we talk to Americans. You need to try harder next time you pretend to be a Chinese.
And... Was there anyone said that we cannot log on Western Website? Interesting...Were you suggesting that some Americans were helping us to post these?
And oh, Sharon Stone...Well, she had her freedom to say whatever she wanted to say. And we're just practicing our freedom to make her pay for her stupidity.
BTW, don't worry about the censorship of the movie in China for us. We may be more free that you believe and able to see whatever we want to see, if we really want, one way or another. And I can assure you that some Chinese will still watch Stone's movie...you know, people have physical need to be satisfied by porns ...ehh, I should not say that.
And the last two statements:
First, I love US and may begin my study as a graduate students in your beautiful country.
And second, I support our government. Actually, we appreciate the high rate of economical development. We'll need democracy, when we can afford it economically.
Umm, is it difficult to love both China and US? I do not think so. For I'm loving the both:-)
Good day Americans!

Can I ?

I don't think she wants to say that in front of the cameras.
It just comes out from her heart.
another SICK Brainwashed idiot.

"I have a great respect for China, the people, the culture, the history. But don't tell me I should kiss your buttocks for cheap clothes made in your country."

Don't lie you have respect for other when you only know is to blame others.

Here is the karma on US:
You pay for what you get: if you want cheap clothes, you get bad quality. Don't blame labors in China. It is US consumer and coporate who are demanding cheap cloth.
Karma is happening more in US than the rest of world: American consumers wanted cheap milk, chicken, and lots of them. And they come with hormone and antibiotics, etc. When I first find out farm raised salmon has color added, I could not help but felt ridiculous. Then I realized it is karma between US fishing industry and US consumers! Look around, blame China or other will not help, karma is here at home.

Anonymous,
I didn't think the issues you raised were worth addressing. I just wanted to point out your repeated use of a loaded term that was inaccurate and misleading. Continue your bullying.

KLW

Serf --- People who work on a piece of land and is OWNED by the owner of the land by legally binding deed. A serf's descendents are serfs by birth.

That was precisely what some of those westerners described about the pre-abolition time of Tibet. It is a word uniquely applied to Tibet! No one made up that word, not me, not you if you are not an ex-serf owner, but Dalai Lama's theocracy in Tibet did.

Sharon Stone is as ignorant about the quake as you and others about the shameful Tibetan-on-Tibetan slavery past. Advocating a theocratic and serfic Tibet is like advocating the return of the slavery of black people in America and the abolition of the separation of church from state in the constitution of America.

Dalai Lama is as compasionate about the Tibetan quake victims as George W. Bush about Katrina victims but the comparison is greatly unkind to the latter.

Yes, truth stings.

For lack of a better word, people like you are slavery advocates! Shame on you all!!!

Tom

Define the word country, and show me how many other countries had recognized the pre-abolition Tibet as a country.

US to Irak is invation. China to pre-abolition Tibet is abolition of slavery --- what American did by its Civil War.

If one cannot distinguish between the government policy and natural disaster, one will be called ignorant. There is no connection between earthquake and Tibet issues, period!! Tibet is the Chinese internal affairs; it is nobody’s business including Sharon Stone.
Ps. I am a Japanese citizen, and have visited Tibet twice in past 7 years. I did my homework before I speak up.

If one cannot distinguish between the government policy and natural disaster, one will be called ignorant. There is no connection between earthquake and Tibet issues, period!! Tibet is the Chinese internal affairs; it is nobody’s business including Sharon Stone.
Ps. I am a Japanese citizen, and have visited Tibet twice in past 7 years. I did my homework before I speak up.

If one cannot distinguish between the government policy and natural disaster, one will be called ignorant. There is no connection between earthquake and Tibet issues, period!! Tibet is the Chinese internal affairs; it is nobody’s business including Sharon Stone.
Ps. I am a Japanese citizen, and have visited Tibet twice in past 7 years. I did my homework before I spoke up.

If one cannot distinguish between the government policy and natural disaster, one will be called ignorant. There is no connection between earthquake and Tibet issues, period!! Tibet is the Chinese internal affairs; it is nobody’s business including Sharon Stone.
Ps. I am a Japanese citizen, and have visited Tibet twice in past 7 years. I did my homework before I spoke up.

That cold-blooded b*tch, thousands of people died, including many many children . Children died and she said that was karma?

I sincerely thank Miss Stone for expressing her concerns about the injustice that occurs in China. Perhaps the earthquake is really a retribution from the God to punish Chinese people for their cruelty and insensibility toward Tibet's people.

Chinese government and its supporters, due to their own selfishness, brutally oppressed the freedom of speech and the human right in Tibet. If they don't get what they deserve, it is unfair.

Don't expect people to have mercy on you when you don't have mercy on the others.

Btw, when you blame the western media, think about lies that your government tells you first. Even though western media are not always true, they are usually true and reliable. But Chinese media are always untrue about the behavior of their own government since they are state-controlled.

6/4 is coming. Let's remind ourselves how crimes against humanity inevitably occur in China.

"A serf's descendents are serfs by birth. That was precisely what some of those westerners described about the pre-abolition time of Tibet. It is a word uniquely applied to Tibet!"

The Tibetan word "mi-ser" is translated as "serf" by some scholars, however they all acknowledge that this does not mean that Tibetan society had "serfdom" in the same sense as medieval Europe. There was social mobility in Tibet, for example the Commander-in-Chief of the Tibetan Army after the Chinese troops had been kicked out in 1912, Tsarong, was a simple peasant (or "serf") who had been given responsibility because of his ability. Nobody who knows and loves Tibet is going to be fooled by the lies of the Chinese who obviously hate Tibet, its culture and its history.

"Sharon Stone is as ignorant about the quake as you and others about the shameful Tibetan-on-Tibetan slavery past."

Tibetans have nothing to be ashamed of. Their society had feudal aspects, but then so did all the neighbouring societies. Chinese feudalism was much more harsh, brutal and chaotic. As for Chinese communism, cultural revolution, totalitarianism, warmongering, and destruction of the environment, Tibet never had these crimes. It was a comparatively peaceful and humane society. You Chinese are the ones who should be ashamed.

"Advocating a theocratic and serfic Tibet is like advocating the return of the slavery of black people in America and the abolition of the separation of church from state in the constitution of America."

Nobody advocates theocracy and serfdom. The Kashag advocates democracy. These are just pathetic Chinese lies. No wonder so many people in the world hate the Chinese and they are reduced to coming here and trying to defend themselves everywhere with stupid lies. Truth is not on their side!!! The Chinese are liars and murderers. They are destroying Tibet's culture, freedom, environment and language. Tibet will be free.

May the Chinese free themselves from their evil totalitarian government and learn to start distinguishing truth from falsehood. Thanks to Sharon Stone for being one of the many people who remind us of the Chinese crimes in Tibet. She could have chosen her words better, but who among us has always chosen their words perfectly? She is brave and humane and all intelligent people should respect her for that.

Tashi Delek

to Zhang and others of your ilk
I never hear you express any other emotion but hate for other people and their respective cultures here. You have zero credibility. Where were you to plead for humanity of others or encourage Chinese to send aid to Myramar or any other site of disaster other than China? But you are right there to condemn others for not displaying your brand of sympathy (as if that is the only propoer response) or sending aid to help China. You are despicable and loathsome in your ethnocentrism. Creep

1. Let's not equivocate "Chinese government" with "Chinese people." They are not one and the same.
2. Tibetans were affected by the earthquake as well.
3. Karma functions on an individual level.

Anonymous:

There are too many attrocities to list committed by the Chinese government on all peole of China, but that does not give us the liberty to conflate histories, especially the China-Tibet history with 6/4 for which no one I know does not share your view. Pre-abolition Tibet is and was what it is. There is no way one can white wash it in the name of grand ideals.

America Civil War is about 150 years old, China's abolition of Tibetan slavery is only 50+ at which equivalent time there must have been the same if not more advocating the return of black slavery in the South.

We must take the stand on issue not on Communism vs. Capitalism ideology, or China vs America ideology. Enemy's enemy can be an embarrassing friend, who may bring down your ideals like the Wenchuan earthquake to tens of thousands of Tibetan homes.

Anonymous:

There are too many attrocities to list that have been committed by the Chinese government on all peole of China, but that does not give us the liberty to conflate histories, especially the China-Tibet history with 6/4 for which no one I know does not share your view. Pre-abolition Tibet is and was what it is. There is no way one can white wash it in the name of grand ideals nor by the sins of the government.

America Civil War is about 150 years old, China's abolition of Tibetan slavery is only 50+ at whose equivalent time there must have been the same if not more confederates advocating the return of black slavery in the South.

We must take the stand on issue not on Communism vs. Capitalism ideology, or China vs America ideology. Enemy's enemy can be an embarrassing friend, who may bring down your ideals like the Wenchuan earthquake to tens of thousands of Tibetan homes.

KLW/Tashi Delek

50 years post American Civil War, there must have been a lot of cries -- like yours now -- from confederates that the North had committed crimes on the South by killing tens of thousands of their people without mentioning their slavery past.

History runs in a loop!

This is last post I care to address to you who takes pride in Sharon Stone's karmatic, karmic, karmous moment.

You-know-who:
When we talk about lies of western media, we talk it after we came back from Tibet.
How are about you when you talk about China?

I am Chinese ,and a univesity student.I love china and USA.We,china,open our doors to western countries and welcome all kinds of people to see real situation.however,some have never been to china and take something as granted.This behavior is disgusting. to our angery,Stone words insult all chinese and attack china.at this time ,she loses her love and mercy just like a mad dog. While lots of people in china are her fans,including me.We hope china and usa are friends ,not enemy.

To: the one posted a comment on June 2, 2008 1:44 AM,
Hello, "Mr Stone".
Like many Americans, you don't know a real China. Have you been China, Have you been Xizang(Tibet)?Did you know before Xizang was liberated the presants in Xizang eat Dalai lama's sh*t.
About China you only know Xizang, 6/4, of course and Taiwan and blablabla. And I really have mercy on you !
Now I see your big comment by non-state-controlled media, and only the truth I got is that some Americans hate us just because of their ignorance.

But like our premier Wen said, after impolitely interrupted by an American Woman , "I believe most of American are friendly to Chinese people."

And welcome to Beijing in August!

Just one time I would like to read a post by a chinese here that acknowledges something other than hate feelings and this sense of entitlement that trumps everything and everybody elsewhere. In psychology and child development, much is written about 5 year olds and their self-absorption to the exclusion of every other relevant issue other than their own desires. Chinese seem to fit this definition. There is no introspection, no self-analysis, and no interest in truthful dialogue. They love to compartmentalize history of other nations but not understand it. Just I WANT I WANT I DEMAND MY WAY just like a 5 year old to the complete exclusion of any other point of view. No wonder some say that china is only just developing country. That mantra is true…as in child development of arrested growth.

In this blog they drone on and on about how peaceful they are. But they sell arms and guns to nations and arm corrupt governments for oil. Is there anything more hypocritical than a pacifist who sell guns? They will cite Iraq but 79% of Americans openly condemn it and will take action to change the American course of history in the fall, by electing a new president. But chinese will just follow in lockstep without condemning what the entire United Nation condemns about Danfur.

Can you imagine this country as a world leader? Where would they lead us? To what purpose? To what agenda? Leaders need to care about others as equally as their own.

Sharon Stone
YOu are a mad female dog,please shut off.Can we say the 9.11 is karma of usa?

To blame present suffering of individuals and humanity on karma is inhuman. In India, compassionate service to help the poor and the marginalised suffering millions, was and even now considered by brahmanical minority as interferring with the law of karma.

Lets work for justice, peace and reconciliation undergirded by love for God and people.

The cruel suffering of Mahatama Gandhi and million others, to liberate India from the slavery of British rule was not because of their karma.

Jesus died on the cross for the karma, sins of others not because of his own.

Lets reach out in love to the sufferning humanity and work for a just society.

Issue are resolved by dialogue and not by guns or condemining others.

God bless you Sharon

Dear All,

There is no absolute right or wrong in the world. I am a Chinese in Hong Kong working in a US company. Fairly speaking, there are really many mis-communciation and mis-understanding between China and US people. Nothing in the world is prefect and I believe most of the human-beings in China and US are kind but they have different culture indeed.

For our US counterparty, please don't just use your preception to judge everything in China, you really want to come and learn, you will explore how nice and the kindness of Chinese in the world. Of course, again, this country is still developing with its long long history; we have our way to improve, but still, the government is government, the people are the Chinese people; if you do not agree with the Chinese government but you should not hate most of the kind people in China. "Tibet" and "Han" are all Chinese people, don't you know both "Tibet" and "Han" are suffering in this earthquake? The government is recusing all in regardless of the ethnic.

As a Chinese, I love my country and will do all the best to protect my country; btw, I will also disagree about some of the policies of our government, but it doesn't mean we have to follow all the western style to change our country. We really know our country is improving in different aspects, esp in the human rights.

Please respect all the human beings, we shouldn't treat the disacters be a so political things.

Jia Wei you are the only dog here and you probably eat dog too.

"Who wants Chinese citizenship?:
Jia Wei you are the only dog here and you probably eat dog too"

Why not just show your true name? You are so mean and pathetic. you are the only dog here and you probably eat dog too! What a trash!

Reply to the comment on June 2, 2008 2:50 AM:

(1) What you mean is that I have no right to condemn the Chinese government simply because I know little about China. First, how do you know I know little about China? you don't even know me. Second, I don't need to go to Tibet or China in order to understand the obvious wrong-doings in China. You cannot say judges' decisions in the courthouse are biased simply because they haven't been to the crime scenes.

(2) I am not an ignorant; you and the supporters of the Chinese government are! Don't you know how bad your government is? If there is no corruption in the Chinese government, I think at least 10,000 people will not die in this earthquake due to the poor construction of the building. You should "thank" your government for this.

(3) "Xizang was liberated the presants in Xizang eat Dalai lama's sh*t." Compare this with how Mr. Bush liberates Iraq after 9/11 for oil. If Chinese have no other intention, Chinese should have left Xizang after liberating her.

(4) "I believe most of American are friendly to Chinese people." From the recent events, I believe most Chinese people know little about fairness and justice, and are lack behind in terms of the moral standard in today's world.

Why would you illegitimize this normally good column with a stupid comment from Stone? You have cheapened this column.

A Hollywood star has expressed a comment in a way that is normally done by misguided, fanatic religious leaders.

And so much ado about a film star's comment!!!

"Anonymous", It is really bizarre for you to use anonymous name. I have seen many comments here posted by you. If you really have courage, why don't you just come out to say who you really are. You must be a member of Tibetan-in-exile, right? That is why you are so anti-Chinese. You take every opportunity here to try to create conflict between Chinese people and American people. Let me tell you something, I am Asian American. Most of Americans are not anti-Chinese at all. You don't represent American! It is shame that you have to play game here for your selfish gain. You lost the feudalism slave-owned society in Tibet and you still dream to go back to that kind of society. The only thing you can do right now is to inspire American to hate Chinese. Americans are not stupid and very diverse. You are loser. Why not just be a good loser!

I request my Chinese friends to stop using this name "Xizang" for Tibet which is insulting and demeaning. "Xizang" is just a Chinese mispronunciation of the Tibetan word U-Tsang which only refers to central Tibet. Either say Tibet or say Boe, which is the Tibetan word for Tibet.

Respectfully, from a Tibetan who is proud of his country and is NOT Chinese.

Dear Gyeltsen:

I am glad you finally come out to admit you are Tibetan from "Anonymous". Don't try to hide and pretend to be weak. That is not American way. One more thing, I just don't understand why your guys keep campaigning for Tibetan independence. Is that true Tibet has been part of China for many many years? Not one single country in the whole world recognizes Tibet as a country. Why not just simply accept that and get over with. American has lots of minority, too. Native American (Indians) never seek independence and never ask European American to go back to Europe. You must know the history of Native American. Tibetan independence just simply has no future.

Dear Gyeltsen:

I am glad you finally come out to admit you are Tibetan out of "Anonymous". Don't try to hide and pretend to be weak. That is not American way. One more thing, I just don't understand why your guys keep campaigning for Tibetan independence. Is that true Tibet has been part of China for many many years? Not one single country in the whole world recognizes Tibet as a country. Why not just simply accept that and get over with. American has lots of minority, too. Native American (Indians) never seek independence and never ask European American to go back to Europe. You must know the history of Native American. Tibetan independence just simply has no future.

That woman think it's karma? Have her heard that's a Tibetan area? Many Tibetan people dead in the earthquke, she regards herself the friend of Dalai, but apparently Dalai's friends are not Tibetan people's friends,it's really a joke for some so-called Tibetan rights fighter~ And I think a normal person can get a lesson from this~ The person with a pair of wings are not be sure the angel,maybe she/he is monster!!

Reply to John Lee on June 2, 2008 4:55 AM

What the difference between "John Lee" and "Anonymous"? I don't know you too, John Lee.

The fact is that some Chinese people like to physically attack people whose opinions are different from them. For example, some were recently attacked or threatened by Chinese patriots at Duke University, in Hong Kong, and in Korea recently. That's why we should never reveal our true identities if our opinion is different, even though your opinions are right.

Miss Stone is simply a victim. When Chinese people don't like someone's personal opinions, they will try all sort of dirty methods to attack him/her. Chinese people simply don't like Miss Stone to stand on the side of Tibet and therefore pick one or two inappropriate words that slip through her mouth to verbally attack her. This uncivilized behavior is kind of odds to the west and certainly unacceptable in modern world. Now you should know why this event became a headline in western newspapers.

The terrible thing is that these are not isolated incidences done by some individuals. Look back in the modern history we learn that China has a cultural revolution, in which Chinese people systematically criticize and kill people who they didn't like (because of their status in the society) but did no wrong. The horrible thing is that it occurs in a large scale: at that time a large number of Chinese people deem that this was the right thing to do. From the cultural revolution and recent events, we can have a gleam of the moral standard of Chinese people in the last couple of decades.

When the CNN reporter called Chinese "bunch of goons", I think what is in his mind is this kind of uncivilized behavior.

I know you feel bad about my comment, but face it. These are bloody facts.

Tashi Delek. I only post under my own name, not anonymous. Many Chinese often request us to forget our nationality and become Chinese. I think they should ask themselves: when they were occupied by Japan, would they have decided to forget their nationality and become Japanese? We love our country, our religion and our people. We have nothing against the Chinese but they are occupying our country and killing our people, suppressing our religion. Poland was occupied by Russia for one hundred and fifty years before it got its independence again. We have faith in our Tibetan heritage and our nationhood. China has been sent back out of Tibet before and will be sent back again. Boe Gyalo. Gyeltsen.

A bad woman without conscience

Reply to Vance:

No. The ones without conscience are Chinese people. Miss Stone, not Chinese people, is the one who cares about the fate of Tibet people.

No one cares what she thinks

Bill: I think it's totally bizarre you call me ignorant. Let me introduce myself, I'm from Shenzhen. I live there until I was 12, and I went to live in UK for education, during when I go back to China 3 times a year. So if you want me call me brainwashed, I guess the only things that Brainwashed me are the British education system and their media (BUT do not get me wrong, I love the UK. People there are receptive of other cultures). You are right on certain things, some western sites are blocked in mainland china, and I am only allowed to access this site because I'm staying with my friend who lives in Hong Kong. But about the needing-permission-to-travel-and-live-in-other-cities-- After my graduation, I spent my time traveling around China. I went to OTHER CITIES like Shanghai, Beijing, Shenyang, Changchun, Harbin. My parents went to Tibet two years ago and guess what, we didnt get any "permission" from anyone (But I guess according to you, we're all damned now and people will come to get us!!!) Well GOD BLESS ME AND MY FAMILY
When I come to Hong Kong, I need a visa. But Places like Hong KOng and Macau are not just cities, they are special administrative regions. The reason we need visas is because HK/Macau are known to be much wealthier, they have different legal systems, their taxes do not go towards Beijing and they have better healthcare and education systems. If anyone from mainland can travel to these regions and live there, it would be a catastrophe for these regions --- they simply cannot hold this new wave of people coming to look for opportunities.
Beijing is not perfect, I would love to see one day when media from all over the world can set foot in mainland, people can speak freely about their thoughts without fear. But saying people cannot travel freely within Mainland is simply a huge exaggeration.

"Anonymous", your hatred toward Chinese is just unbelievable. The way you bash Chinese people just reminds me of 1950's McCarthysim in the United States. I don't know who you are and where you are , and I don't want to know and I don't care. It is very disturbing to see you to harbor so much hatred toward Chinese people. I clearly see the pattern here that you use every single opportunity to remind people how Chinese people are very bad. Most of Americans and most of Europeans are not anti-Chinese at all. I have to say that you will be very disappointed at the end. Playing the fear just simply doesn't work in American politics. Most of Asian Americans are not anti-Chinese. Most of Jewish Americans are not anti-Chinese. Most of Hispanic Americans are not anti-Chinese. Most of African Americans are not anti-Chinese. Most of European Americans are not anti-Chinese either. You have so much knowledge about China, about Tibet, and about every single detail on the Olympic touch relay two month ago. It is not that hard to figure out who you are and what is your political agenda. Your extreme view toward Chinese people doesn't surprise all of us.

Anonymous:
I think you know sharon stone more than China,so you can say everything about stone,but you have no right to say anything about China.you try to hurt us,but we ignore what you are talking about.

To John Wang:

The funny thing is I don't have a political agenda. But if you think I have, please tell me what you think it is.

Yes, what Chinese people did recently is really bad. What disguise behind their patriotism is injustice, intolerance, and even violence.

You said that my hatred toward Chinese is just unbelievable. But more precisely, what you should say is that my hatred toward Chinese's tendency of picking up one or two words of who they don't like and verbally attack them to dead unbelievable.

Howdy COWBOY,

You told me, "I didn't think the issues you raised were worth addressing. I just wanted to point out your repeated use of a loaded term that was inaccurate and misleading. Continue your bullying."

Wow..and I thought we might become best buds..C'mon now, C-guy, don't be like that.. you're hurt'n ma feelins.. Really, I'll even call your buds, "Authoritarians", or maybe just, "Sometime Oppressors", or even, "Bad Guys, NOT!"; whatever you say. I want it to be downright correcto-mundo Communist Chinese righteous; things that ya'll especially r fond of:)!

Now, will you address the real issues? You can put forth the standard official dissembling, "Authoritarian" (see, I really am being good) Chinese spin, like all the rest. But at least try. I know you can do it, kiddo! For the Party! Just remember, white is black, wrong is wright, and YOU can't go wrong.

Remember, they're just soft, gullible Westerners, after all. You tell 'em, there IS a free press in China. You tell 'em. And, Chinese people really DO have broad based educations from which to draw informed opinions, a great history of always owning Tibet, and such! Ya'all ur square dealers, too, when it comes to trade! You go for it, Poke. You're every bit as good as the others.

P.S. Why'd ya chop short that wonderful name, bud?

Wow, "Anonymous" , you are finally coming out and show the true face of you. I never see any American as rude and nasty as you are. You are not American. You are the member of Tibetan-in-exile! It is a shame you don't have courage to admit it. It is a shame that the only thing you can do right now is to inspire Americans to hate Chinese people. You are very pathetic. Americans are much smarter than you. Even Sharon Stone is smarter than you. She doesn't want to be used by your guys any more. She doesn't want to be against globe Chinese at all. Oh, poor member of Tibetan-in-exile!

Karma does not mean anything to athiest communists. The Chinese state media has successfully made sharon stone's comments as a tool to gear up the usual Chinese nationalistic feelings rather than questioning the cause of the collapse of these government school buildings for the poor.
They are now boycotting products or services that have anything to do with her. But hey, only the elites use it and they do not care about those who had died in the earth quake.

What's the fuss? Is a famous person saying something incredibly stupid in a public place really news? And if it is, why isn't it also news when not-famous people say incredibly stupid things in public spaces, such as on a blog?

I don't see why Sharon Stone's incoherent rambling is worth such coverage to begin with. It has no effect on anything that matters, other than providing grist for purposeless mills. We've become a self-absorbed society so obsessed with contemplating our navels that we ignore the real problems of the world. We seem to feel that we can't have any dead air in our lives, and fill up our brains with useless stuff. Garbage in, garbage out.

A perfect example is the torrid and bizarre press coverage of Anna Nicole Smith's death. During the same week, a rash of suicide bombings in Iraq killed over two hundred civilians, and no one blinked. A sad, drugged-out C-lister dies a tawdry death, and we get 24/7 coverage for literally weeks.

Wake up, folks. Our priorities are way out of line.

I think most people in America have a sense of justice. They understand that when China prevents Tibetans from owning a picture of the Dalai Lama, and imprisons or tortures them for doing so, that is evil.

They understand that when every month several thousand Tibetans flee their country to go to India (which is a poor country where they will not have an easy life) something must be very wrong in Tibet.

They understand that when the Chinese keep out tourists and human rights observers, they must have something to hide.

They understand that when Chinese border guards shoot fleeing Tibetan nuns in the back at the border (as filmed by European tourists recently) then China is an evil country, ruled without any sense of humanity.

That people in China who support these activities need to reflect within themselves, and look around, and ask themselves why these terrible things are allowed to happen.

This was Sharon Stone´s reaction, and it is a normal and human one. Those Chinese who are spewing vituperative insults at her should not be taken seriously.

While I think Sharon's remark was detestable, the mob mentality from chinese netizens isn's better either, she apologized, so we move on, forget about it, it's just that. Have some tolerance, grow some thick skin, and enjoy your new place in the international community.

on a side note, sharon is nothing compared to hillary and obama in the china bashing department.

shi is a idiot.

First comment: Sharon Stone looks half her age partly due to good genes, and partly due to excellent plastic surgery.

Second comment: Please fix this grammar error:
"who's identity and career is her own"
should be
"whose identity and career is her own"

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. there is no such thing as karma. tectonic plate movement is goverened by physics not politics.

Why do we care what actors and actresses think? They are completely out of touch. Are there any geologists blaming this event on karma?

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. there is no such thing as karma. tectonic plate movement is goverened by physics not politics.

Why do we care what actors and actresses think? They are completely out of touch. Are there any geologists blaming this tragedy on karma?

Why did she say Chinese is treating Tibetan people badly? do you guys know they had slavery system under Dalai Lama's rule? Tibet was part of CHina for many thousand years.

一句话,对这种人没话说!

I happen to agree with Sharon Stone. F'ing Chinese commies!

I want to ask, why wasn't my post granted approval? I have posted something that reflects my experience in China as an American citizen. Is it because I said the Dalai Lama do not support Tibetan Independence?

Ms stone,the famous actress, who can speak such words? I can[t believe that my ears and eyes,anyhow the journalists make some sentences from her words,but she speak some familiar words at all.so please think twice before speak,especially for the people who are famous.

Claire!
Washington is what 2 to 4 hours from California? If something like what happen in China (earthquake) happened here in the USA and tens of thousand of people died, I don't think that Washington Post readers would comment "nobody is responsible."
Why are new building required to meet earthquake codes and old buildings are or have been retrofitted? Are you suggesting that deaths because for faulty construction or that buildings can't be constructed to resist falling apart in an earthquake?
We Californians are told all the time that a big on is coming in 30 or so years. Think about this when you write about responsibility of earthquake damage.
The only mistakle Sharon made she blamed the desaster on the wrong policital activity

Claire!
Washington is what 2 to 4 hours from California? If something like what happen in China (earthquake) happened here in the USA and tens of thousand of people died, I don't think that Washington Post readers would comment "nobody is responsible."
Why are new building required to meet earthquake codes and old buildings are or have been retrofitted? Are you suggesting that deaths because for faulty construction or that buildings can't be constructed to resist falling apart in an earthquake?
We Californians are told all the time that a big on is coming in 30 or so years. Think about this when you write about responsibility of earthquake damage.
The only mistakle Sharon made she blamed the desaster on the wrong policital activity

Washington is what 2 to 4 hours from California? If something like what happen in China (earthquake) happened here in the USA and tens of thousand of people died, I don't think that Washington Post readers would comment "nobody is responsible."
Why are new building required to meet earthquake codes and old buildings are or have been retrofitted? Are you suggesting that deaths because for faulty construction or that buildings can't be constructed to resist falling apart in an earthquake?
We Californians are told all the time that a big on is coming in 30 or so years. Think about this when you write about responsibility of earthquake damage.
The only mistakle Sharon made she blamed the desaster on the wrong policital activity

If you think, as I do, that there is little to be said for the law of karma, then the claim that it has operated in a particular case won't seem very credible--just as, if you don't believe in universal divine determinism, as I don't, John Hagee's notion that God used Hitler will seem wildly implausible. But once you've accepted the idea of karmic retribution, it's unclear to me why it isn't perfectly possible that karma functions as Stone supposes. It's very sensible to question the highly doubtful notion of a cosmic tit-for-tat; but once you've swallowed that particular camel, it appears as if one has accepted the possibility that karma will just the sorts of effects Stone imagines.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Wonder what she thinks about 911. Bad karma?

"Alex", it is really shame for you to say that "thousand Tibetans flee their country to go to India " and "Chinese border guards shoot fleeing Tibetan nuns in the back at the border", etc. You act like not one single Chinese understands English so that you could say anything you want. Yes, American do have sense of justice. In this earthquake, American people clearly see how Chinese people in China have worked day and night to try to save people's life. American people have their own judgement whether Chinese people are just bunch of bad guys as you claimed.

You are still dreaming the feudalism slave-owned society in Tibet during old days. That is why you just shamelessly use a bunch of lies to inspire anti-Chinese sentiment. American people are smarter than you!

Anyway, let me reinstate my ideas since my last post was somehow banned.

I am an American who has lived in China, Taiwan, and Tibet. I sympathize greatly with those who are affected by this tragedy. I was very impressed by the quick response by the government.

Sharon Stone's comments made no sense because of the following two facts:
1. The disaster region is a multi-ethnic region within Sichuan. It contains a great number of Tibetans, who were deeply affected by the earthquakes as well.

2. The Dalai Lama, her dear friend, has openly stated that he does not wish for a "Tibet independent from China", but rather a true autonomous region. He supports the Beijing Olympics and condemns those who wish to tarnish the Olympic spirit. So I don't think His Holiness is too fond of her right now.

China has a great amount of problems that needs to be addressed, but this is a tragedy and never should have been labeled as "karma". I hope she didn't think 9/11 as our "karma".

Just another example of how belief in the devine can lead to justifying death and violence. Her belief system, whatever it is, seems to provide for devine justice, kharma, or whatever you want to call it. Once you believe in devine justice, based on your own definition of justice of course, you can justify death, suffering, and other tragedies as something good, something Godly, something to be glad happened.

I would hope everyone of any religious faith will sit up and take note that religion can lead you to delusional thinking, that the deaths of school children can be defined not only as good, but as Godly. Once you have God on your side fighting for your definition of justice, your morality can become anything that leads to your justice being fulfilled. The ends justify the means. No believer would critize God for killing school children. On the contrary, they would applaude just as evangelicals want Israelis to create a greater Israel to fulfill the prophesy that leads to the end of the world (a good thing in their deluded minds). And believers wonder why atheists criticize religions.

This is just one small example of religion deluding one person into being happy school children were killed en masse. Religion is sick and makes you sick. No examples of the good religion does will change that fact. You don't need religion to do good, as the godless Chinese are proving to the world in their reaction to this tragedy, but you do need spiritual belief to delude yourself that the deaths of thousands of children is kharma.

Sharon Stone is a well meaning woman who like many Americans are seeking to understand the spiritual nature of the universe. Like most New Age psuedo eastern concepts embraced by those hoping to free themselves from the chains of life and death on their own terms, Ms. Stone's insultingly simplistic China revelation is based on a shallow and egocentric understanding of Buddhism which undermines the vast mercy of the Buddha by subjugating it to the narrow views of one's own personality.

Karma is too too vast for an ordinary mortal to to visualize. To do so, one would have to have the ability to see the past, present and future of every atom of the universe. Simply stated, we cannot understand our own karma and so we should not persume to understand the karma of anyone else, let alone an entire nation of people.

it's not fair to treat her like that for the woman said somthing wrong.

i am sorry for what she said. i don't truly believe she meant it in such a generalized and or harmful way and i am sure she wished she would of worded it differently. i think the celebrities are always going to be targets for their comments and their political views and for that, they probably should be cautious as to whom they talk to or interview with. these reporters love to be stroked and if they catch someone in a moment speaking their minds and expressing their emotional perspectives, then that reporter is going to run to the bank with that and enjoy the limelight of getting that so in the end...it is about the reporter and what you cannot say in front of them.

Sharon Stone has a perspective and that seems to be that evil befalls evil. The Chinese government believes and would have their people believe that the Dalai Lama is a Thug and thief and refer to him and tibetans as a "clique". So why is the Chinese governement so enamoured on what Sharon Stone believes? I think I'll stick with Sharon Stone and her right to her beliefs. Who knows - it could be bad Karma.

Reply to the message at June 2, 2008 9:01 AM

Alex, I agree with you.

When Chinese people reacted radically about the western media, they forgot that it is Chinese government who hid the crimes against human right in the first place.

This tactic is so evil because when the outside world try to guess what is going on (usually based on the poor history of Chinese's human right), the Chinese government will immediately said they are biased and wrong. But what is really wrong is that the Chinese government never tells us the truth!

Chinese people pretend to be blind on this issue, because they care about their own faces in the Olympic games and their economic stability, much more than how bad the oppression is and the fate of Tibetans. They unanimously attack the western media for their bias (e.g., the words by the CNN reporters), and bring out their so-called "patriotism" which is just another name of their selfishness.

How stupid Chinese people are in thinking that that they can change the opinions of the world by showing their own amoral wishful thinking! They insist they are right, but this insistence will only damage the image of Chinese people further, by showing how low the moral standard of the Chinese people are.

Notice that it is the Chinese government who casts the anger of Chinese people on the CNN reporters in the first place, and ask their people to blame CNN. How foolish the leaders in the Chinese government are in thinking that the same tactic used in their Cultural Revolution can have any effect on other countries. But the stupid Chinese people were being used anyway, such that no one inside China dares to say that the government is wrong again (there were numerous news about some Chinese people were attacked because they supported Tibet). This, of course,is at the cost of damaging the image of China in the world.

Ironically, the one who ultimately suffer from the lack of human right in China are the Chinese people themselves, not people in the West. The Chinese government can oppress other voices in the future too. So ultimately the selfish Chinese people get what they deserve---in Miss Stone's words: it is a "karmic retribution" on Chinese people for their own selfishness.

I'm shocked to hear her comment. It shows how shallow, egotistic and hateful she truly is. Natural and man-made disasters and tragedies happen around the world. Instead of feeling sympathetic for the people who lost their lives, she was judgmental about the Chinese people and the Chinese government. Did the children die because of their Karma as Ms. Stone implied? Tibetan situation is complicated and cannot be judged as black and white. Being a celebrity doesn't make them morally superior and self-righteous. Compassion doesn't come with social status. If she truly cares for the Tibetan people, maybe she can help them to overcome the Tibantan poverty. A compassionate person doesn't have to put on a show of moral superiority for the world to see. We need to see actions.

If Ms. Stone has not apologized to the Chinese people, she certainly should.

AC23 wrote: "I hope she didn't think 9/11 as our "karma"."

Well, others have. And others have called Katrina devine retribution for the sinful state of New Orleans (too bad those good christians in Mississippi were too close to it). Funny that no one is calling Greenburg, KS kharma. Maybe that's because it sits in the middle of the bible belt, where God would never destroy a town like he destroyed Sodom/Gamorrah. Kharma is always myopic and delusional.

Just more examples of delusional thinking caused by spiritual belief. What I find just as striking is the belief among many of faith that they cannot be good people without their belief in God. It can be hard when you are brought up to believe in God that goodness does not come from the belief in God, or fear of God, but that goodness is a natural part of being human. To take an example from the bible, the "good samaritan" was not a follower of Jesus, nor defined to be of any particular religion. Yet this simple man stopped to help a suffering person while religious people passed the suffering man by.

Once I dropped my beliefs, I found it hard to say, when a person I disliked got in a car accident for example, "That's what he gets". What that phrase really means is "That's what he gets from God for being bad". Not believing in anything devine, including devine retribution, allows an atheist to consider everyone equally human, that human life is equally valued, that people you do not like should not suffer any more than people you like. There is no God to pick the good from the bad, and worse, to support you picking the good from the bad and using His powers to meet Your ends. There is no delusion and no reason to wish death upon anyone, or hope for it.

To understand the Indian's Karma, you have to understand a similar Chinese concept "Mandate from Heaven", which means that you may get a key to govern but you have to take care of the people under your rules. Failing to do so and you will loose your key: There is always an universal force of justice.
Ms Stone's remarks was just a misstep in today's multimedia world but deep down, for China to react forcefully, it only means one thing: You feel guilty.

To compare 9.11 with the earthquake in China is even a fair one.

Any one who agrees with Sharon Stone should ask his/her own conscience if Katrina is bad Karma for the US

Anonymous,

"..This tactic is so evil because when the outside world try to guess what is going on (usually based on the poor history of Chinese's human right), the Chinese government will immediately said they are biased and wrong. But what is really wrong is that the Chinese government never tells us the truth!.."

Very well said. That is my experience, as well.

typo:

To compare 9.11 with the earthquake in China is NOT even a fair one.

Since we are off topic for large part of the discussion, I digress and show some remanents of Dalai Lama's rule. (from Phyliburbs Blog)

Tibet: a toilet nightmare
There are violent protests against the Chinese in the Tibetan city of Lhasa, an attempt by separatist Tibetans to compromise the Olympics. I witnessed similar tension 23 years ago when I visited the “Roof of the World.” Back then Lhasa had but a single western-style hotel. It was booked, so I stayed at a Tibetan rooming house for $3 a night. My pillow was stuffed with peanut shells and the mattress was rope. There must have been at least 500 flies to a room, attracted by the smell of human excrement piling up in the so-called “bathroom” down the hall. There was no plumbing or anything resembling a toilet. You simply squatted, made your deposit and left. Eventually, someone hauls it away. Out on the street was mud and unwashed people, a number of who spent their day prostrating themselves to the Tibetan gods. Up, down, stretch out on the ground … up, down, stretch out on the ground … it was the equivalent of a 9-5 job. To the eye of an American, this city was dirt poor, although I don’t think anyone there knew it. But up on the hill, in the Potala Palace built by the monks and now run by China as a tourist attraction, is room after room after room after room after room after room after room after room – of gold. To the eye of an American, this looked like great wealth. Wasted wealth. The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity. The Tibetans think the Chinese are tying to destroy their culture and consider them occupiers. Hence the tension and protests. But the Tibetans, then and now, happily sell trinkets to the tourists the Chinese bring in. It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast.

Did Stone wear her underware, when she spoke?

As we are discussing, thousands Chinese PLA soldiors are still working hard by hands, and trying to save poeple's lives including Tibetan! I did not see Chinese did anything wrong!

"You are still dreaming the feudalism slave-owned society in Tibet during old days. That is why you just shamelessly use a bunch of lies to inspire anti-Chinese sentiment. American people are smarter than you!"
I agree.

"by John Wang:

Wow, 'Anonymous' , you are finally coming out and show the true face of you. I never see any American as rude and nasty as you are. You are not American. You are the member of Tibetan-in-exile! It is a shame you don't have courage to admit it. It is a shame that the only thing you can do right now is to inspire Americans to hate Chinese people. You are very pathetic. Americans are much smarter than you. Even Sharon Stone is smarter than you. She doesn't want to be used by your guys any more. She doesn't want to be against globe Chinese at all. Oh, poor member of Tibetan-in-exile! "

John, I am sick of those members of Tibetan-in-exile, too, who do nothing but stir up the hatred among different group of people.

I sincerely thank Miss Stone for expressing her concerns about the injustice that occurs in China. Perhaps the earthquake is really a retribution from the God to punish Chinese people for their cruelty and insensibility toward Tibet's people.

Chinese government and her supporters, due to their own selfishness, brutally oppressed the freedom of speech and the human right in Tibet. If they don't get what they deserve, it is unfair.

Don't expect people to have mercy on you when you don't have mercy on the others.

Someone said "Tibet was liberated the presants in Xizang eat Dalai lama's sh*t." Compare this with how Mr. Bush liberates Iraq after 9/11 for oil. If Chinese have no other intention, Chinese should have left Tibet after liberating her.

Don't say that you Chinese people are helping Tibetan. It is insulting. Moreover, your helps have never been enough. Now get the hell out of there.

HI guys,

Shron Stone is basically a high kind of ace hole, who make a huge profit on those sex related work, as a female animal in show zoo. The way she makes money is injustice, considering billions of poors. She only can represent some low end of people. She think she is gorgeous but she is only a low idiot. The value of the world should be corrected to promote the real people who are the pioneers and powers to advance human being's existence in the world.

Anonymous, "... It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast."

Given that you're almost certainly enjoying U.S. freedoms (phillyburbs.com ref.), you're certainly free to express your views, including conditions in Tibet, even including toilet facilities, as you so choose. Tibetans don't have these basic rights of expression, because of Chinese Totalitarian imposed domination and tactics, which include "re-education", and imprisonment.

It doesn't matter if you see conditions in Tibet as a hell on earth; this is a judgement call on your part. The fact is, China has imposed its might and will on these people and they don't want it.

Also, I've talked with many climbers, trekkers, and other outdoor types over the years, and they have had nothing buy kind things to say about Tibetans, and very little regard for the Chinese government and its oppressive policies/tactics.

Poor Sharon Stone, She just has been used by those Tibetans-in-exile. I wonder why not those
Tibetans-in-exile go back to that small town in India. That is where they belong to. Really. They are trouble-maker.

What if one day San Francisco were to be wiped out in an earthquake? Wouldn't every American with a sound mind be mad if, barely 2 weeks later, a non-American personality were to attribute it to Americans' bad karma while being interviewed by Fox News in Cannes?

Greenberg, I agree with you. We have spent so much taxpayer's money in the US to feed those Tibetans-in exile, which is really ridiculous.

Greenberg,

"Poor Sharon Stone, She just has been used by those Tibetans-in-exile. I wonder why not those
Tibetans-in-exile go back to that small town in India. That is where they belong to. Really. They are trouble-maker."

Really. You don't say.. those awful Tibetans-in- exile, no less! The nerve of them.

"Greenberg", Slick, bud, you really need to come up with some better dissembling lines or you'll never make the spy corps. Your diction, too.. And, it's all too reminescent of 'Soviet era'.. Your masters will not be pleased; better get with it bud, or it will be 'Re-Ed 102' for you!

Reply to Tony Chow:

The point is that Miss Stone said something wrong solely because she care about the Tibetan. But she chose wrong words and a wrong time to say this.

Miss Stone is simply a victim. When Chinese people don't like someone's personal opinions, they will try all sort of dirty methods to attack him/her. Chinese people simply don't like Miss Stone to stand on the side of Tibet and therefore pick one or two inappropriate words that slip through her mouth to verbally attack her. This uncivilized behavior is kind of odds to the west and certainly unacceptable in modern world. Now you should know why this event became a headline in western newspapers.

"Alex", it is really shame for you to say that "thousand Tibetans flee their country to go to India " and "Chinese border guards shoot fleeing Tibetan nuns in the back at the border", etc. You act like not one single Chinese understands English so that you could say anything you want. Yes, American do have sense of justice. In this earthquake, American people clearly see how Chinese people in China have worked day and night to try to save Tibetan's life. American people have their own judgement whether Chinese people are just bunch of bad guys as you claimed.

Tibetans are not flee from China.

The fact is that Dalai Lama is looking moving back to Chinese Tibet since he is getting older and want to live here for the rest of his life.

You just shamelessly use a bunch of lies to inspire anti-Chinese sentiment. American people are smarter than you!

"Anonymous", why are you so upset about Greenberg's comment? You are the member of Tibetans-in-exile, right? I think they have a good point. Why do we have to spend so much taxpayer's money on your guys?

"The point is that Miss Stone said something wrong solely because she care about the Tibetan. But she chose wrong words and a wrong time to say this.

Miss Stone is simply a victim. When Chinese people don't like someone's personal opinions, they will try all sort of dirty methods to attack him/her. Chinese people simply don't like Miss Stone to stand on the side of Tibet and therefore pick one or two inappropriate words that slip through her mouth to verbally attack her. This uncivilized behavior is kind of odds to the west and certainly unacceptable in modern world. Now you should know why this event became a headline in western newspapers"

My reply
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You mean when San Francisco were to be wiped out in an earthquake and a non-American movie star attributed it to your bad karma, you are not entitled to be mad and angry at her, as doing so would be uncivilized? IF that happens, I bet you wouldn't be smiling or find it humurous anymore.

Obviously, some people use freedom as a No.1 weapon to survive, as they do not have any practical skill for living. They are pathetic.
However, once freedom becomes the excuse for speading nonsense and lying, you know other people's freedom has been violated. that is what happened in history, things always ended in wars. So be wise to use freedom.

If you are so boring you can keep funding those freedom thugs until one day karma comes.

Just curious why these amricans has so much hatred on Chinese

Who give you americans this "moral high ground" to criticize others? An empire invades all over the world for oil, hundreds of Iraqis die evey day because from the deep South to the Northeast, american people need gasoline to commute to work everyday! The largest warmonger whose president Jimmy Carter won 2003 "Nobel peace prize" for being "the only post-war american president who did not send troops overseas". as the biggest capitalist group who exploits other nations worldwide, raids their resources in name of american national interests, extracts toils of international working class to pay for the black hole named "sub prime" created by you americans who can not afford mortgage but want to live in big house! the evilest imperialist manipulating in almost every region on the earth. A moronic country brainwashed by various "Church", A country who enforces democracy to every corner of the world and "elected" G.W.Bush, the warmonger, TWICE, in the name of DEMOCRACY! you are nothing but bunch of hypocrites and fools!

You are actually practicing Darwinism to other nations. Eat the weak, ally the strong, later turn the strong to weak, and eat it. However, pathetically you seem don't know what yourselves are doing here on this planet; even forbid teaching Darwinism in your pitiful american schools!

Who authorize you to do all the above? Who do you think you are, you dare to talk to Chinese people on Karma, learn something, find out what karma will come upon yourselves in near future, bad bad america!

Chinese bureaucratics only dictates domestically and oppresses Chinese people in China. Compare with the global exploitation and bully of you amricans, the descents of colonists and imperialists, they are saints.

Ms Sharon Stone is not victim of Chinese people. She is victim of those radical Tibetan-In-Exile. Those radical Tibetans in USA just simply use Ms Sharon Stone.

Tibetan-In-Exile, just go home!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just curious why these amricans has so much hatred on Chinese

Who give you americans this "moral high ground" to criticize others? An empire invades all over the world for oil, hundreds of Iraqis die evey day because from the deep South to the Northeast, american people need gasoline to commute to work everyday! The largest warmonger whose president Jimmy Carter won 2003 "Nobel peace prize" for being "the only post-war american president who did not send troops overseas". as the biggest capitalist group who exploits other nations worldwide, raids their resources in name of american national interests, extracts toils of international working class to pay for the black hole named "sub prime" created by you americans who can not afford mortgage but want to live in big house! the evilest imperialist manipulating in almost every region on the earth. A country who enforces democracy to every corner of the world and "elected" G.W.Bush, the warmonger, TWICE, in the name of DEMOCRACY! you are nothing but bunch of hypocrites and fools!

You are actually practicing Darwinism to other nations. Eat the weak, ally the strong, later turn the strong to weak, and eat it. However, pathetically you seem don't know what yourselves are doing here on this planet; even forbid teaching Darwinism in your pitiful american schools!

Who authorize you to do all the above? Who do you think you are, you dare to talk to Chinese people on Karma, learn something, find out what karma will come upon yourselves in near future, bad bad america!

Chinese bureaucratics only dictates domestically and oppresses Chinese people in China. Compare with the global exploitation and bully of you amricans, the descents of colonists and imperialists, they are saints.

Reply:

"You mean when San Francisco were to be wiped out in an earthquake and a non-American movie star attributed it to your bad karma, you are not entitled to be mad and angry at her, as doing so would be uncivilized? IF that happens, I bet you wouldn't be smiling or find it humurous anymore."

I really think that perhaps this earthquake is a retribution from the God to punish Chinese people for their cruelty and insensibility toward Tibet's people. But I would not be smile to find out this kind of "bad karma" argument humurous as you suggested. But I will believe in it, and I will not get mad or angry at her because the wrong-doings before the earthquake is true.

Yes, Tibetans are "flee from China". This video from 2006 shows Chinese border guards shooting at fleeing Tibetans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veQIdaR0J70

The Telegraph, London, reported at the time: "Nun killed as guards gun down refugees from Tibet, By Thomas Bell in Kathmandu, Last Updated: 1:53AM BST 12/10/2006. At the end of their terrible journey, a group of Tibetan refugees yesterday told how a nun was shot dead and 14 children taken away at gunpoint by Chinese border guards during a 20-day march to escape across the Himalaya. Seventy-five men, women and children started out, often walking at night to avoid security patrols but only 41 made it to the Nepalese capital Kathmandu, leaving the young nun dead in the snow and another man lying wounded. The remainder, including the children, were marched away at gunpoint. The shooting was witnessed by scores of westerners camped nearby. A 24-year-old woman described her escape as the survivors laboured up the snowbound 18,753ft Nangpa Pass linking Nepal to Tibet. She said: "We were walking in line. Before the shooting we knew the soldiers were after us so we started to walk quickly. They warned us to stop, then started shooting. We were running. The bullets were landing near us. The nun who died was 100 yards ahead of me. I saw her fall. I was lucky. A bullet tore my trousers, but it missed me."

Yeah, so that's reality. If you want lies, listen to the Chinese people who are posting here. I don't know why they are so heartless and cruel. Must be the effect of growing up in such a cruel totalitarian country.

Damn the Chinese.

I think China and the United States could be a good partner. Maybe it is time to re-exam whether it is worth to spend lots of money to support those Tibetans in the west.

KLW is another idiot.

I don't think It(he/she) has ever witnessed any evnets. What it(he/she) relys on is just a virtual world, another PS2 style guy, other smart media arses, who making profit on this, can drive it (he/she) like puppies. The situation now is KLW always belives in minority's cults other than the most people's knowledge and the truth.

KLW is just another Sharon Stone or a blonde boy.

To Jones:

You are not a righteous person since all in your mind is about money and self-benefit. There is nothing that you think you ought to do solely because it is the right thing to do. You only care about yourself. I hope that some day you will be in great troubles and no one would like to help you.

One friendly suggestion:

Fix your own government first.
You stop being hypocritical, then whatever you said about democracy and freedom become credible. Otherwise, no one trusts you.

Just one of many:

La. furniture salesman guilty of spying for China

By MATTHEW BARAKAT – May 13, 2008

McLEAN, Va. (AP) — A New Orleans furniture salesman pleaded guilty Tuesday to spying for the Chinese government and providing Beijing with secret information on military relations between the U.S. and Taiwan.

Tai Shen Kuo, a naturalized U.S. citizen with prominent family connections in Taiwan, provided gambling money and promises of a job to a Defense Department analyst who gave him classified information in 2007. Taiwanese military officials have said the disclosures caused some damage but did not compromise key technology.

Kuo, 58, faces up to life in prison when he is sentenced Aug. 8. Lawyers for the Taiwan native said after the hearing they believe he faces a prison term of about 12 1/2 to 15 1/2 years under federal sentencing guidelines.

Kuo pleaded guilty to a single count of espionage in U.S. District Court in Alexandria. In court papers, Kuo admitted that he received $50,000 from the Chinese government for his efforts.

Kuo provided the defense analyst, Gregg W. Bergersen, several thousand dollars in gambling money on trips the pair took to Las Vegas, as well as promises of employment at a company Kuo hoped to establish. Bergersen, of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty to his role in March and faces up to 10 years in prison.

The information Kuo obtained from Bergersen included updates on Taiwan's new Po Sheng or "Broad Victory" air defense system, which is a key part of Taiwan's defenses against a possible attack by China. He also received projections of U.S. weapons sales to Taiwan over the next five years.

Kuo is the son-in-law of Xue Yue, a Chinese nationalist general who was a close associate of Chiang Kai-shek. Bergersen thought Kuo was aligned with Taiwan's defense ministry and was unaware of Kuo's contacts with the People's Republic of China.

A third person charged in the case, Chinese national Yu Xin Kang, who allegedly acted as a go-between for Kuo and Chinese agents, is in jail awaiting trial.

Kuo's guilty plea "is the latest demonstration of the serious threat posed by international espionage networks," said Patrick Rowan, acting assistant attorney general for national security.

In 2006, former Pentagon intelligence analyst Ronald N. Montaperto was sentenced in Alexandria to three months in jail for unlawful retention of classified documents after admitting he had contacts with two Chinese intelligence officers from as early as 1983 and as recently as 2001.

In February, former Boeing Co. engineer Dongfan "Greg" Chung was arrested in Los Angeles and charged with stealing military and aerospace trade secrets regarding the space shuttle and other programs on China's behalf. He has pleaded not guilty.

And in March, Reston-based technology company WaveLab Inc. pleaded guilty in federal court in Alexandria to illegally selling technology with potential military applications to China.
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As an American, I truly think this Tibet staff is getting out of hand right now. We really should stop this staff. It is not in the center of our national interest. It will come back to haunt us.

Man, the Chinese jokers are really out of hand now. Here's one pretending to be an American and telling us to 'drop Tibet staff' because 'it is not in the centre of our national interest'.

Suggestion for you Chinese freelance spies.

1. Spend more time in English class.
2. Stick your staff where the sun don't shine.

The more I learn about China, the less I like it. The Chinese-Americans I know are good people but the Chinese on here are scary as hell. They don't seem to have any space in their minds for any viewpoint except their own "CHINA RULES WE ARE GREAT YEAH EVERYONE ELSE IS FILTHY SWINE".

I think there should be a Chinese version of Borat. It would be hilarious.

I can't believe this Tibetan guy comes out to attack Jones. Jones just made statement that "I think China and the United States could be a good partner. Maybe it is time to re-exam whether it is worth to spend lots of money to support those Tibetans in the west", which makes sense to me.

"Bobster",

'"Anonymous", why are you so upset about Greenberg's comment? You are the member of Tibetans-in-exile, right? I think they have a good point. Why do we have to spend so much taxpayer's money on your guys?"

Not sure why you'd zero in on the supposition of me being a Tibetan. Not upset either-rather, heartily amused. Not sorry to disappoint either, as I'm a fourth gen. American. We're on to you, too.

You'd better brush up on that diction, too, if you really want to go somewhere!

Reply to XYZ:

Fortunately, there are righteous people in this world. But Jones and you are not among them.

Man, the Chinese jokers are really out of hand now. Here's one pretending to be an American and telling us to 'plunge Tibet staff' because 'it is in the centre of our national interest'.

Suggestion for you English freelance spies.

1. Spend more time other than English class.
2. Stuff your stick where the moon don't eclipse.

The more I spy on China, the less I can do about it. The Americans ever in China I know are people who know good but the Americans on here are scary as hell. They don't seem to have any space in their minds for any viewpoint except their own "USA USA USA USA NO ONE CAN TEACH ME".

I think there should be a USA version of Bin Laden. It would be over hilarious.

Jones, I have similar feeling that it is not worth to spend lots of money to support those Tibetans in the west.

Harold, I also have the same feeling that we should not be nice to the Tibetan-in-exile staff. We American should teach them lesson and be nice to Chinese peoples instead. How nice felling that to be. Then all joy with soup of three treasures, dog chicken rat snake! Oh now. Four treasures. Me velly solly, me love you long time, please be nice to me chinese persons we good we not like you think oh no.

Ok, guy, you would find +1.3 bln spy work for China.

When Chinese people reacted radically about the western media, they forgot that it is Chinese government who hid the crimes against human right in the first place.

This tactic is so evil because when the outside world try to guess what is going on (usually based on the poor history of Chinese's human right), the Chinese government will immediately said they are biased and wrong. But what is really wrong is that the Chinese government never tells us the truth!

Chinese people pretend to be blind on this issue, because they care about their own faces in the Olympic games and their economic stability, much more than how bad the oppression is and the fate of Tibetans. They unanimously attack the western media for their bias (e.g., the words by the CNN reporters), and bring out their so-called "patriotism" which is just another name of their selfishness.

How stupid Chinese people are in thinking that that they can change the opinions of the world by showing their own amoral wishful thinking! They insist they are right, but this insistence will only damage the image of Chinese people further, by showing how low the moral standard of the Chinese people are.

Notice that it is the Chinese government who casts the anger of Chinese people on the CNN reporters in the first place, and ask their people to blame CNN. How foolish the leaders in the Chinese government are in thinking that the same tactic used in their Cultural Revolution can have any effect on other countries. But the stupid Chinese people were being used anyway, such that no one inside China dares to say that the government is wrong again (there were numerous news about some Chinese people were attacked because they supported Tibet). This, of course,is at the cost of damaging the image of China in the world.

Ironically, the one who ultimately suffer from the lack of human right in China are the Chinese people themselves, not people in the West. The Chinese government can oppress other voices in the future too. So ultimately the selfish Chinese people get what they deserve---in Miss Stone's words: it is a "karmic retribution" on Chinese people for their own selfishness.

I am ashamed of Sharon's comment. It is really no different than Pat Robertson claiming a hurricane in Orlando is G-d's retribution on gays and lesbians. (PS to the author: Bad grammar alert in your first paragraph. It should be "...whose identity and career are her own." Was your editor on vacation this week?)

Wonder what she thinks about 911. Bad karma?

Yeah, let me clue you in to the difference between what Pat Robertson said about gays and what Sharon Stone said about Chinese repression in Tibet.

- there is nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian.
- there is something wrong with killing people and throwing them into re-education camps for following their own religion.

Got the difference between Pat Robertson and Sharon Stone yet, brainiac?

As an American, I truly think this Tibet staff is getting out of hand right now. We really should stop this staff. It is not in the center of our national interest. It will come back to haunt us.

I wonder what the Dalai Lama is Really thinking when she wears that gawdy, glitzy jewelry and proclaims she is a Budhist....it is so obvious she needs to learn fundamental teachings of budhism and more about human compassion....She just seems a bit phoney and perhaps needs to start reflecting inward for deeper meaning...best wishes to her.

As an Armenian, I really think we should stop this Tibetan staff. It is very big and swollen and red and could come back to hit us very hard.

Stone's comments are as nonsensical as Jerry Falwell's after 9/11 (and I happen to like her as an actress).

It's insulting and degrading to all humanity to attribute the catastrophe in China to "karma."

Obviously, some people use freedom as a No.1 weapon to survive, as they do not have any practical skill for living. They are pathetic.
However, once freedom becomes the excuse for speading nonsense and lying, you know other people's freedom has been violated. that is what happened in history, things always ended in wars. So be wise to use freedom.

If you are so boring you can keep funding those freedom thugs until one day karma comes.

"Yeah, let me clue you in to the difference between what Pat Robertson said about gays and what Sharon Stone said about Chinese repression in Tibet.

- there is nothing wrong with being gay or lesbian.
- there is something wrong with killing people and throwing them into re-education camps for following their own religion.

Got the difference between Pat Robertson and Sharon Stone yet, brainiac?"

I'd like to nominate this as 'The Best Post Of The Day'!!!!

Thanks, that was awesome!!

Since we are off topic for large part of the discussion, I digress and show some remanents of Dalai Lama's rule. (from Phyliburbs Blog)

Tibet: a toilet nightmare
There are violent protests against the Chinese in the Tibetan city of Lhasa, an attempt by separatist Tibetans to compromise the Olympics. I witnessed similar tension 23 years ago when I visited the “Roof of the World.” Back then Lhasa had but a single western-style hotel. It was booked, so I stayed at a Tibetan rooming house for $3 a night. My pillow was stuffed with peanut shells and the mattress was rope. There must have been at least 500 flies to a room, attracted by the smell of human excrement piling up in the so-called “bathroom” down the hall. There was no plumbing or anything resembling a toilet. You simply squatted, made your deposit and left. Eventually, someone hauls it away. Out on the street was mud and unwashed people, a number of who spent their day prostrating themselves to the Tibetan gods. Up, down, stretch out on the ground … up, down, stretch out on the ground … it was the equivalent of a 9-5 job. To the eye of an American, this city was dirt poor, although I don’t think anyone there knew it. But up on the hill, in the Potala Palace built by the monks and now run by China as a tourist attraction, is room after room after room after room after room after room after room after room – of gold. To the eye of an American, this looked like great wealth. Wasted wealth. The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity. The Tibetans think the Chinese are tying to destroy their culture and consider them occupiers. Hence the tension and protests. But the Tibetans, then and now, happily sell trinkets to the tourists the Chinese bring in. It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast.

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Stone's comments are as nonsensical as Jerry Falwell's after 9/11 (and I happen to like her as an actress).

It's insulting and degrading to all humanity to attribute the catastrophe in China to "karma."
"

But her purpose of insulting the Chinese government is because the Chinese government and her supporters, due to their own selfishness, brutally oppressed the freedom of speech and the human right in Tibet. Stone's comments make a lot of senses. It is that Chinese people don't like her to stand on Tibet's side and therefore they pick one or two inappropriate words that slip through her mouth to verbally attack her.

To drop a big, fashionable political name Dali lama ‘as good friend of mine’ seemed to be her main concern, she does not care how Chinese people think but how ‘interesting’ the earth quake had happened… this stupid small group in Hollywood thought that to be associated with Tibet issue will keep them on the spot light forever. Well, Chinese people should against all of their products, not just against Sharon Stone

Poor Sharon Stone, She just has been used by those Tibetans-in-exile. I wonder why not those
Tibetans-in-exile go back to that small town in India. That is where they belong to. Really. They are trouble-maker.

Dear Mom, where are you?
Why are you flying away from me?
I am worrying about you
I miss you and want your hug everyday
I can’t eat because the food is not from you
How can I live without you?

Mom is in heaven, dear baby
I miss you very much everyday
Don’t worry about me
I have many friends here
Go ahead and live happy
Mommy will be happy if you do

Dear dad, Where are you?
Why are you flying away from me?
I am worrying about you
I miss you and want to play ping pong with you
I am sad and lost
How can I live without you?

Dad is in heaven, dear baby
Mom and I miss you very much
Don’t be despair, my baby
The road ahead will be brighter
You are our only pride, baby
Be strong and live happy

Don’t leave me too far, dear Mom and Dad
Watch me to start a new life
A life without my dear Mom and Dad by my side
But you will be in my heart forever
Watch me start eating, playing and studying
I will be your pride as always

"To drop a big, fashionable political name Dali lama ‘as good friend of mine’ seemed to be her main concern, she does not care how Chinese people think but how ‘interesting’ the earth quake had happened… this stupid small group in Hollywood thought that to be associated with Tibet issue will keep them on the spot light forever. Well, Chinese people should against all of their products, not just against Sharon Stone"

An example of how some Chinese people revenge people whose opinions are different from them. Chinese people cannot tolerate people who have different opinions.

"
"To drop a big, fashionable political name Dali lama ‘as good friend of mine’ seemed to be her main concern, she does not care how Chinese people think but how ‘interesting’ the earth quake had happened… this stupid small group in Hollywood thought that to be associated with Tibet issue will keep them on the spot light forever. Well, Chinese people should against all of their products, not just against Sharon Stone"

An example of how some Chinese people revenge people whose opinions are different from them. Chinese people cannot tolerate people who have different opinions. "

An example of how some Anonymous rats people revenge Chinese people whose opinions are different from them. Anonymous rats cannot believe that Chinese people have different opinions.

Reply to Catch-RATS:

Sorry. I can't get your point. Do you mean that my opinion does not allow people to have different opinion? Of course not. Although I will *argue* with you my opinion are better, I will not attack you, beat you up, or financially punish you in order to *force* you to drop your opinion and accept mine. But in China it is not the case. If you said, "I think Tibet should get independent." You will probably beat up by Chinese patriots some day.

There is one more evil thing that Chinese people would do. There is something called "revenge after autumn". It is a policy that the Chinese government would not punish the dissidents immediately the events is still sensitive and hot and can easily get media attention. Instead when time passed and people forget about the event, the Chinese government will then punish you slowly at that time. As an example, most of the people who supported the students in 1989 event get this kind of punishment several years after 1989. People lost their jobs, and got a bad record in their career, etc. This is one of the many evil things Chinese government would do to oppress the opposite voices.

I can easily give you more examples.

Any why would any thinking person care what Sharon Stone says?

What did she say that was so wrong? She wondered if the earthquake was karma paying back the Chinese for what they did to Tibetans. She didn't say it was. Who knows, maybe it was. And maybe it wasn't. Nobody can really say more than that.

Some of you are reaching quick conclusions about China, Tibet, one way or the other. It might not be a bad idea to actually do some research, for example, on topics such as the history of Tibet, what the Dalai Lama is actually asking, the position of the Chinese government, and so forth (This, of course, requires reading some good books instead of mere web surfing) Trying to understand why such conflict actually took place. It is not enough to use human rights to explain away all the different views, the reality is much more complicated than that.

To the Chinese reading this blog: I am American, and I have visited your great country. I have studied your history--more than 4000 years of it, and I admire your people. Sharon Stone needs to learn. She is simply ignorant. She and all the people who like to talk about Communist China need to try visiting China. They would find an extremely nice country with a great heart--very civilized, your world, and under no circumstances do I support disunity of your country. Your country, like ours, deserves to be unified and I pray for the peace and for the victims of the quake. Tears have come to my eyes, remembering how warm your people were...Enough, Sharon Stone. How could you say such stupid things that hurt so deeply a people who didn't deserve it?

For all those who are defending Sharon Stone!

It is pathetic you can't see what is wrong with her mindset. When a terrible tragedy happens, and when thousands of children are being crused to death, the natural reaction of a NORMAL human being is the feeling of SORROW. Not 'hmmm, this is interesting'!

While she claims to be a 'humanitarian', she only cares about herself, her 'dear friend', her religion, and her people, as if the lives of the Chinese are worthless. And I don't think the Chinese would want her 'bow-my-head' kinda of help if they have dignity.

Tricia Key,

My heart aches for that nun just as my heart aches for all the Chinese people who died in that horrible natural disaster. What you should remember is children (and most adults) don't make policies...governments do! Your argument is flawed Ms. Key it is like saying slave children deserved to be slaves because they were born to an enslaved mother and this country sanctioned by law and custom what scholars refer to as the "peculiar institution." Do you align with such an argument Ms. Key? Do you? We can't control to whom and where we are born, but it takes a person of low moral character to believe that we deserve death because of those aforementioned things that we cannot control. Meditate sister and get rid of some of that negative energy. BTW...I had a GREAT time in Europe! I have been back 3 times since.

Alicia:
What did she say that was so wrong? She wondered if the earthquake was karma paying back the Chinese for what they did to Tibetans. She didn't say it was. Who knows, maybe it was. And maybe it wasn't. Nobody can really say more than that.

It wouldn't be wrong if she is not Dior's face in China. Chinese couldn't stand her making money from them and at the same time being suggested of having bad karma. Now that her Dior ad got pulled down, Chinese are no longer angry. She has the right to say whatever, the Chinese have the right to react too. Get that?

Orville C.:

Anonymous, "... It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast."

Since you're almost certainly enjoying U.S. freedoms (reference: phillyburbs.com), you're free to express your views, including conditions in Tibet, even including toilet facilities, as you so choose.

Tibetans don't have these basic rights of expression, because of Chinese Totalitarian imposed domination and tactics, which include "re-education", and imprisonment.

It doesn't matter if you see conditions in Tibet as a hell on earth; this is a judgement call on your part. The fact is, China has imposed its might and will on these people and they don't want it, no matter what China proffers; they want something much more important that few Chinese here seem to have any concept of, or that they value: FREEDOM.

I've talked with many climbers, trekkers, and other outdoor types over the years, and they have had nothing but kind things to say about Tibetans, but almost universally, have very little regard for the Chinese government's presence there, and its oppressive policies/tactics.

DD100:

To those people who still think there is a karmic truth of her statement:

1. The epicenter is on the border of the Aba Tibetan Autonomous Region which consists of 80% Tebetans. The death toll in Aba alone is a shocking 20,124! and counting. See the tally below:
http://english.sina.com/china/1/2008/0530/164567.html

2. Had Ms. Stone known this fact, she probably would not have thought of the karmatic connection. But again for people like herself who is capable of even entertaining such a thought, God help! If there were some truth to the karmic theology, it would only apply to her kind of people.

3. It is even more astonishing that her Tibetan 'friends' did not point out that fact to her when asking her 'help'. But again, no surprise here. Their goal is the return of Dalai Lama's theocracy in Tibet and the regain of their ex-serfs. Their means is to spin the media, to manipulate fools like her. Ha, many tofu-brained celebrities fall for it!

4. With a hugely disproportionate casualty to Tibetans, what did Dalai Lama do? The samo samo charming diplomcy --- tour European capitals to advocate the real return of theocray and slavery to Tibet in the name of reglious freedom and human liberty. Meanwhile, his Hollywood friends -- Sharon Stone in particular -- are doing their best by only debating if they should help. No surprise here! To Dalai Lama and his exile slave owners, their Tibetan subjects have always been just another serf --- whose worth is as much as or less than the dirt that they used to own. Dalai Lama's brand of compassion? Give me a break!!

5. Giving her the benefit of doubt, Ms. Stone might not have had her infamous karma moment if she knew the quake victum fact. Can we say the same if Dalai Lama's Hollywood friends, the Western mainstream media -- she included -- have learned some Tibetan history? What are they advocating? To me, nothing short of theocracy and slavery -- inter-racial (Tibetan-to-Tibetan) slavery to be precise. Shame on them all.

6. There are many atrocities committed by the Communist Party to all people of China. Getting rid of Dalai Lama's Tibetan slavery is not one of them. Shocking but true. The Chinese government's war against the Tibetan separatists in 1950 was in fact the Communist's ideal to abolish Dalai Lama's serfic (slavery) system in Tibet. Of course, the slave owners revolted, and were driven out. It is those people and their descendents make up the Tibetan independence movement totay. If you realy concern about liberty and human right of Tibetans, join the fight for all Chinese people. The train of Tibetan exile's cause goes nowhere!

7. Dalai Lama appears hollier to many people only because he now lives on other people's land -- no land to own and no serf to own. Sharon Stone's karma moment exposed only the tip of an iceberg that is the igorant mass wooed and used by the Tibetan extremists whose real goal has always been the return of theocracy and slavery to Tibet.

8. To those celebrities like Sharon Stone and Richard Gere who count Dalai Lama as their friends, they should suspect the Highness did not teach them the real, the important part of the Tibetan history. Next tiem when they champion the 'Tibetan Cause' again, let us all remind them that America under the leadership of Lincoln has once fought and won an abolition civil war, and China had won its version of the abolition battle. For true ideal of liberty and freedom for all, say no return of slavery to any people. Not to the people of their best friend.

PS: It is astonishing how incompetent the Chinese propaganda machine has been. The argument is on their side but somehow they have managed nonetheless to have lost the public opinion battle in the West.

Reply to "Reply to the comment on June 2, 2008 2:50 AM:"
(1)Seeing is believing. Not everyone can be "judges", and I doubt whether you have the quality of being "judges". Whether or no, our invitation is sincere.
(2)I am a student in college, and I am not a red-make-American-scared communist. I love my country. I am the supporters of my country, not the supporters of the Chinese government, especially not in the way you imagine. The construction of the building thing is being investigated, "10,000 people will not die" ,how did you get? If there is corruption, and there will be punishments(only for doing these thing, I thank my govermment).
(3)The issue of sovereignty cannot be discussed. Tibet is one part of China in the past, now, and future. Mr Bush for oil, we for that Tibet is one inseparable part of China and for NOT making the peasants in Tibet eat Dalai lama's sh*t AGAIN like before Tibet was liberated.
(4)The people who are suffering the disaster are innocent. If your family died, others say “that is karma” “Perhaps it is really a retribution”, how do you feel? I say "I believe most of American are friendly to Chinese people.", and you say "I believe most Chinese people know little about fairness and justice", . Aha, these are fairness and justice? You never show a litte goodwill.What are you ? 你算是什么东西？Why are you so angry?I doubt that you are a American.我怀疑你不是美国人

Since we are off topic for large part of the discussion, I digress and show some remanents of Dalai Lama's rule. (from Phyliburbs Blog)

Tibet: a toilet nightmare
There are violent protests against the Chinese in the Tibetan city of Lhasa, an attempt by separatist Tibetans to compromise the Olympics. I witnessed similar tension 23 years ago when I visited the “Roof of the World.” Back then Lhasa had but a single western-style hotel. It was booked, so I stayed at a Tibetan rooming house for $3 a night. My pillow was stuffed with peanut shells and the mattress was rope. There must have been at least 500 flies to a room, attracted by the smell of human excrement piling up in the so-called “bathroom” down the hall. There was no plumbing or anything resembling a toilet. You simply squatted, made your deposit and left. Eventually, someone hauls it away. Out on the street was mud and unwashed people, a number of who spent their day prostrating themselves to the Tibetan gods. Up, down, stretch out on the ground … up, down, stretch out on the ground … it was the equivalent of a 9-5 job. To the eye of an American, this city was dirt poor, although I don’t think anyone there knew it. But up on the hill, in the Potala Palace built by the monks and now run by China as a tourist attraction, is room after room after room after room after room after room after room after room – of gold. To the eye of an American, this looked like great wealth. Wasted wealth. The Tibetans never built schools. The Chinese did that. And hospitals. And movie theaters. And, well, modernity. The Tibetans think the Chinese are tying to destroy their culture and consider them occupiers. Hence the tension and protests. But the Tibetans, then and now, happily sell trinkets to the tourists the Chinese bring in. It’s a complex situation that grows more complex each day. The western tourists I met there in 1985 (mostly people on the so-called hippy trail) thought Lhasa was Xanadu. I thought it was someplace I wanted to get out of fast.

Reply to the comment by Beijing:

(1) As I said, Chinese people don't know about justice. That is why they say "seeing is believing", as if "what can't be seen have not happened." They like to use this argument to fool us.

(2) If you love your country, you should stand up and overthrow your government, who have done all sorts of things against her people. From "three difficult years" to "cultural revolution" to "1989 killing of students" to the recent events. Your government assaulted every generations of their people since her conception. While many Asian countries around China have been doing better and better after World War II, China is still far lag behind. Why? It is because your government system sucks, and the bad guys can continue to be in power.

(3) Even the recent Chinese patriots said they are not "red-make-American-scared communist", their behavior is as bad as those "red guards"; they put aside the justice, always claim they are right, and occasionally attack people who have an opposite view. Do you know how hateful they look from the viewpoint of an outsider?

(4) Due to the one-party system in China, the government officials are like gods and no one can kick them out of their office even though they corrupt. Not to mention that the Chinese government controlled the media so that nobody can monitor its behavior and they can hid their crimes. Corruptions were investigated only when (1) disasters occur and many people dies, forcing your government to investigate, and (2) the inner power struggle occurs in the government; otherwise, your government think that their people have no right to know what the people in the government do in the normal daily life. They will ask you to mind your own business, and work til dead. Your government will put her opposites in jails, in the name of "revolt their own countries".

(5) Why can't the issue of sovereignty be discussed? You Chinese people of course do not want to discuss it, because you have already captured Tibet. You have no right to capture Tibet at the first place. You are wrong from the very beginning.

(6) Don't say you helped Tibet a lot; you are exploiting Tibetan, not helping them. Your help comes with your selfish intention. Tibetans don't trust you. Do you understand?

(7) Don't ask "how do you feel?" Ask "what the people suffer from the oppression of Chinese people feel" first. If Chinese people are not bad, the God will not punish them.

(8) My goodwill is to hope that all bad guys go to hell such that the world becomes a better place. And you know who are the bad guys.

You don't need to invite me to your Olympic games; I am not interested as long as it is held by a country with lots of injustice among their people.

charlie1111:

Some background information about Dalai lama and Tibet.

Dalai Lama said: I like it!
In the early 1950s, DL was a member of China’s central committee and leader of Tibet. He said: Great leader Chairman Mao, we love you! (He wrote poems for Chairman Mao).

Dalai Lama said: I don’t like it!
In 1956, the central government wanted to start the land reform that had been implemented through out China. Due to the respect of the minority region, the reform was delayed. This reform would have distributed the land owned by DL and his monks to the slaves. So he resisted.

Dalai Lama said: I am out of here!
A violent uprising was squashed. And he fled to India with arrangement by some countries.

Dalai Lama said: let’s fight for independence!
With support from some countries, he organized the guerrilla warfare. The tactics were nothing more than murdering local officials and intimidating the population. It lasted until 1972 when the west stopped support.

Dalai Lama said: I want autonomy!
No more support, the rhetoric changed to autonomy. A step-by-step plan, autonomy to independence seemed smart at that time. But he never stopped stirring troubles inside China.

Dalai Lama said: I want independence.
In 1989, when anti-China was even more popular than now, and when China had the Tiananmen incident, he won the Nobel Prize when some people wanted to snub China. And he seized the opportunity by saying that China should be divided into 7 or 8 pieces (he will have the bigger piece as he wants 25% of China’s territory). But soon he was back to his autonomy talk as political climate changed.

Dalai Lama said: let’s seize the opportunity!
In 2001, China won the honor to host the Olympics. DL again saw an opening and formed his grand plan to gain ground during this sporting event. Thus came the ugly riots with arson, burning and killing. And some misinformed people started to follow him on the torch relay to put on a freak show.

Dalai Lama again said: "I want autonomy". "I don't want to attend the Olympics". "I want to attend the Olympics". "The protesters have their right and I am powerless". "The protesters should stop".
"Karma". "not karma".

Dalai Lama, get yourself together before speaking. Otherwise, you will be the same as your best pal, Sharon Stone, or your other pal, richard geer who pissed off the Indian people by bending over their famed actress.

I'm a hypocrite:

I found it highly hypocritical of some Westerners to ignore the facts. If the Chinese did something that the Westerners used to do, it's called "abusive", or "no human right", or "support abusive regimes". So, Westerners say anything is about "freedom of speech", supporting dictatorships is about "free markets or national interests", allowing the sufferinigs of the Palestine people is "support democracy of the Isarel".

The facts: Sudan exports more to Japan than to China. India and other Wetsern are doing oil and gas businesses with Burma. But the scapgoat is still China. Why? Oh, because their name is still carying the word "Communist".

charlie1111:

The people who show the most pleasure of this tragedy are falun gong and some anti-China activists. After being confronted by ordinary Chinese people in Flushing, New York for the last few days, these folks organized a rally yesterday in Flushing with a few hundred falun gong people and some knuckle heads including Wei Jingsheng. They used marching bands and other forms to celebrate the suffering of the Chinese people (Han, Qiang and Tibetan). Wei Jingsheng even gave a speech to the falun gong members. These people are truly amazing as they showed their heartless nature with no shame.

Reply to "I'm a hypocrite:"

Bad guys always try to shift the focus on their own issues to the others by pointing out that other people are hypocritical and mean and not good enough, etc., as if all people around the world are bad, so it is okay for them to be bad.

If other people are bad, they will be punished separately. But if you are bad, you will be punished for your own crimes, and that is not related to the other people's problems. In short, your country has no human right, your government ought to be punished.

History has shown that communist nations are bad mainly to their own people but also to other countries as well. The reasons why they fail are (1) their policies make no economical sense and inhuman, and (2) they are using one-party totalitarian systems, which cannot eliminate bad guys from powers.

None of the communist nations were successful, so did China. Unless recently, China adopted the capitalism a little bit, and her economics becomes better. But the bad guys in the government still insists to use one-party systems. Why? It is because they can stay in power. Why do they want to stay in power? It is because they did a lot of bad things in the past and they are afraid that when they were not in power, someone will kick their ass.

Reply to charlie1111:

No, it is wrong to say that these people show pleasure of the earthquake. No, they don't. It is your own evil heart which depicts these people to be heartless.

The one who is heartless is you, who shows no sympathy to the students who were killed by the Chinese government in 1989, etc. These people died for your own country, in hoping to change the policy system to a better one. But the bad guys in your government decided to kill them all.

Interesting reading the various Chinese comments pretending to be Americans. "Krista Cole" is the latest one.

sharon stone insincere apology came after a week later of her evil acusation of chinses deserved this deadly earthquake. Ask the victims & the dead(70,000, 20,000 missing,370,000 people badly injured) whether they will accept apology or forgive stone. scores of children became parentless,homeless,mentally devasted, parents became childless.Donation from Overseas Chinese & Chinese embassy in Paris sent nearly 3000 tents via airbus A380 arrived in quake area 5/31/08 for the tibetans suffered the quake in Aba area. Majority of tibetans in China considered themselves tibetan chinese & do not want to separate from China. Their lives have improvevery much since when dalia lama was ruling that area. There are always a few trouble makers in every racial group & they cannot detate policy for the majority tibetans whom they want to remain with China.

sharon stone insincere apology came after a week later of her evil acusation of chinses deserved this deadly earthquake. Ask the victims & the dead(70,000, 20,000 missing,370,000 people badly injured) whether they will accept apology or forgive stone. scores of children became parentless,homeless,mentally devasted, parents became childless.Donation from Overseas Chinese & Chinese embassy in Paris sent nearly 3000 tents via airbus A380 arrived in quake area 5/31/08 for the tibetans suffered the quake in Aba area. Majority of tibetans in China considered themselves tibetan chinese & do not want to separate from China. Their lives have improvevery much since when dalia lama was ruling that area. There are always a few trouble makers in every racial group & they cannot detate policy for the majority tibetans whom they want to remain with China.

Sharon Stone, Shame On You !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to Anonymous:

in what position you are to judge Chinese history? and in what position you are to imply US has a better history in human rights? the only clue i get is that US has a history of only 200 sth years, and of course your stories will run much shorter than that of China's.

Can we all just be a human here? what does an earthquake have anything to do with politics?

to all those sharon Stones out there:
who the hell you think you are to play god?

To Jiaming and Anonymous and alike:

'"..This tactic is so evil because when the outside world try to guess what is going on (usually based on the poor history of Chinese's human right), the Chinese government will immediately said they are biased and wrong. But what is really wrong is that the Chinese government never tells us the truth!.."

Very well said. That is my experience, as well.'

My question: what if they're telling you the truth, you just choose to deny it?

and how can you be so sure that whatever American or western media are putting up about china is all abt TRUTH?

it's not news that they have 'happened' to slip in one or two false prints now and then.

whole bunch of brainwashed toking abt politics... i doubt how many truth there would be.

Reply to canuplaygod:

(1) You said "what if they're telling you the truth, you just choose to deny it?" ... You said "how can you be so sure that whatever American or western media are putting up about china is all abt TRUTH?"

The western media would not lie to you because there are many different news agencies and it is hard for each of them to tell a different story at the same time. This cross-validation can help to make sure that information are presented in the original form. If some one try to tamper it and make up a story, someone else will notice.

But in China, the media are state-controlled, which mean that the government tamper all the information before they were presented to the citizen. Can you trust these media?

The reason why the western media cannot tell the truth about China is because they cannot get those information.

Reply to the comments of canuplaygod:

(1) The modern Chinese history is full of shXts caused by your government. Don't you read any history book?

(2) The US, of course, has a much better history in human rights. People who cannot see that obviously does not know what is human rights, and I would not expect them to treat people with human rights.

(3) One human right is the freedom of speech. People in the US can complain about the government and kick them out of their office if they did any wrong. If the government tried to revenge, it will be a huge scandal. Can you Chinese people do this?

(4) The earthquake has nothing to do with politics. It is some Chinese people who picked one or two words slipped though the mouth of Miss Stone to attack her. This kind of personal attack is somewhat like the massive assaults in Cultural Revolution. This becomes the headline news in western newspapers because it was a surprise to the West how Chinese people behave.

(5) I pray god, not play god. It is the Chinese communists who declared there is no god and played the role of God. Who the hell are they to think there is no god?

To Anonymous:

We know who you are. You are the fxcking racist.

Reply to the comments of Anonymous:

(1) We know who you are. You are absolutely piece of shXt. As the 4th generation in the United States, you are too obessevie about your white heritage. That is why you hate Chinese people so much. You are ruthlessly condemn Chinese people over and over. Just look at all of your shXt comments here. Surfing all the American web sites (CNN, TIMES, Yahoo, etc), we cannot find one poster like yourself who are so mean and so nasty toward Chinese people. You are the worst racist in the modern American history. Deep down in your soul, you hate Chinese people so much, and yet you are so proud of your White family name so that you refuse to use any other name. At the same time, you are afraid that global Chinese people may come back to hunt you because of your such evil racist soul; therefore, you have to hide your name. That is exactly reason why you use "Anonymous" name. Guess what, we will come back to hunt you if don't stop demonizing Chinese people!

(2). Senate Obama will be the president of the United States. You will be ruled by a black guy! The dominance by your bunch of racists is over. Just live with that. The United States will be dominated by black folks, Jewish people, Hispanic people, Asian people and open-minded white people. People like yourself will be absolutely in the minority. You can't stand it, right? Well, go to the hell!

(3). You are angry and mad. You can't accept the reality of the United States and the reality of the world, so you choose Chinese people as easy target. Well, we will kick your ass too, just as American people did to you.

(4) Global Jews fight and hunt Nazi-German for many years. We will fight and hunt racists like yourself for rest of your life no matter where you live. You should be punished and you deserve it.

To Anonymous-Is_Racist:

can't agree with you no more.

To Anonymous:

basically i see no point in further arguing with you. You've already had your mind set, and all i've seen is biased, loose, ignorant, self-righteous comments that 'sliped' through your mouth. But that's ur human rights. So keep on bashing, i'm sure it will do you good and that will earn you karma.

Reply to Anonymous-Is-Racist:

Don't let your low self-esteem to make you bark like a dog. If you think my opinions are right, don't deny them.

Reply to Anonymous:

You are absolutely trash! From all of your writing, it is very clear that you have evil racist mind. It is really joke that you pretend to have high moral gound.

Reply to Anonymous:

You are absolutely trash! From all of your writing, it is very clear that you have evil racist mind. It is really a joke that you pretend to have high moral ground.

Your opinion is totally garbage and there is nothing new. We see those garbage before from exactly same kind of racists like yourself. By the way, it this what you make a living here every day by bashing Chinese people? You are very pathetic.

We have long memories too, you filthy Chinese racists. If anybody's going to be hunted down it will be you and your dirty yellow hides.

Look behind you! It's a smart bomb.

Whoops, sorry.

After we're done with you they'll be wishing they had the Japanese back in Nanking.

Hi, "canuplaygod", thank you for your comment. I have lots of British and Jewish friends here. After reading "Anonymous" shXt comments here, they all agree that "Anonymous" is very typical racist. Just ignore him. Take care of yourself. Have a good time.

From the several recent rabid, and actually threatening comments here, I have much more insight into what it must be like for Tibetans, or for anyone advocating for freedom in China.

Racism? You obviously don't know me.

Was the American Revolution racist? The French Revolution? They were about Freedom, something Communist Totalitarian China and you, obviously abhor.

Terrorism is a sign of desperation.

You won't make the Spy Corps now, I reckon..I suppose it's back to 'Re-Ed. 101' for y'all:)!

Oh, poor "ELSPETH". Your skin color is not yellow? so what is your skin color? Black or white? Yes, my skin color is yellow and I am proud of it. Why not coming out to reveal your skin color? What are you afraid of? Are you chicken or what? What a piece of shXt trash!

Haha. Someone tried to pretend to be me starting from June 3, 2008 5:53 AM.

Fortunately, people can still read my comments before that time.

Btw, I recommend the one who pretend to be me to sharpen his writing skill first. For example, you should say "I have gained a better insight into ...."

Hah! You poor fish, my skin is coloured aquamarine and turquoise. It shines a million colors in the light and blinds and bedazzles all who behold it. If you were but to gaze upon it for one instant, the image would remain, imprinted upon your retina, for everything that remained to you of life.

The many good people here, NEED to read this. It appeared here, in Washington Post on April, 3. It was titled, 'Chinese Spy Slept in U.S. For Twenty Years', subtitled, Espionage Network Is Growing. Here is an excerpt:

"According to U.S. intelligence and Justice Department officials, the Mak case represents only a small facet of an intelligence-gathering operation that has long been in place and is growing in size and sophistication.

The Chinese government, in an enterprise that one senior official likened to an "intellectual vacuum cleaner," has deployed a diverse network of professional spies, students, scientists and others to systematically collect U.S. know-how, the officials said. Some are trained in modern electronic techniques for snooping on wireless computer transactions. Others, such as Mak, are technical experts who have been in place for years and have blended into their communities.

"Chi Mak acknowledged that he had been placed in the United States more than 20 years earlier, in order to burrow into the defense-industrial establishment to steal secrets," Joel Brenner, the head of counterintelligence for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, said in an interview. "It speaks of deep patience," he said, and is part of a pattern."

Obviously, some people use freedom as a No.1 weapon to survive, as they do not have any practical skill for living. They are pathetic.
However, once freedom becomes the excuse for speading nonsense and lying, you know other people's freedom has been violated. that is what happened in history, things always ended in wars. So be wise to use freedom.

If you are so boring you can keep funding those freedom thugs until one day karma comes.