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ANONYMOUS - what, another one that won't fess up?

Lunatics quote chapter and verse as the absolute truth, and as though nothing needs to be explained as regards a justification for their beliefs - and another giveaway? Faith based beliefs presented as iron-clad facts - when every thinking person knows that the metaphysics of religion is based on unverifiable suppositions and second-hand doctrines that can seldom if ever be substantiated in our everyday world.

It has been said that religion at it's foundations is based on an innate human fear of death - there are no religions that do not preach some sort of afterlife.....and they may be right, or not.

We all die, and it's a good thing to contemplate on a regular basis - it's the great equalizer. Your answers on the philosophy of death will be your own, however. And at the moment of death, your experience will be quite solitary. Only lunatics preach the truth before the truth is known.........

Religion appears to be based on a deep-seated drive for understanding and for discovering the essence and meaning of life. And that's one thing that can be said about religion with a degree of certainty.

Lunatics are the ones that mistakenly equate belief and strong convictions with unfailing truth - they are the true believers that are without doubt. I'm sure you're not one of those........

PERSPECTIVE, so anyone who practices a religion is a lunatic. Am I to take that as the perspective of a lunatic secularist?

ANONYMOUS - if you ask me, the religious lunatics that post on these threads are far more programmed in their compositional style than anything a secularist could create, even blindfolded. Here's a writers axiom - 'one writes as one thinks' - particularly when using an abbreviated format that's best suited to getting an idea across without wasted space on an internet blog (an ideal, I admit). I would think technical writers excel in this regard.

BTW, you should try your own hand at composition -just string a few ideas together and see how they hang .....given your aptitude for critiquing literary styles as cyber artifact modalities, you may have real talent.

All remains to be seen........

The JAR file has been archived. It refuses to respond to the 'DELETE' command. The file must be infected with a bloody virus. Grrrrrrr.... and Grrr....

The JAR file has been archived. It refuses to respond to the 'DELETE' command. The file must be infected with a bloody virus. Grrr....

JAR as in a Java Archive file?? Hmmmmmm...
- could be due to 4 planets in Virgo, but that's only a guess.

PERSPECTIVE writes like JAR.

Bgone,

That seems like a lot of work and worry when #3 is so obviously correct.

Experienced, tell us more about what you saw. Or is it too scary?

EXPERIENCED, you've swapped one hallucination for another. Religion is an agent of hallucination and therefore belongs in the same class of things as LSD etc. I expect you're worlds better of with religion than "tripping" so stay where you are.

Joseph Smith, founder of LDS said he "took a trip" of a sorts where he met an angel of the Lord God of Israel.

There are three possibilities:
1. Joseph Smith did what he said.
2. Joseph hallucinated what he said.
3. Joseph Smith outright lied.
As usual, three things can happen and two of them are bad. Mormons believe number one and non Mormons one of the other two with three getting the majority of the votes.

Joseph Smith is said to have been a religious man and therefore likely to have a religious hallucination. It could have been like those seen on TV today, knots on trees and grilled cheese sandwich with image of Virgin Mary. However, it more closely resembles what EXPERIENCED describes with many more facets than a simple illusion like images of Mary.

Could Joseph Smith have ingested LSD, took a "trip" or two to never never land? LSD came 100+ years later so that would seem to be impossible. Miss Claire Hoffman, panelist wrote, " Albert Hofmann was looking for medical uses of a certain fungus when he stumbled on the hallucinogenic chemical, and took his first 'trip' in 1943." To this I say with a question mark, fungus?

There were many fungi around during the time of Joseph Smith. Could Joe have "stumbled" on the gateway to heaven, or as EXPERIENCED implys, hell. Maybe it was a Good Friday "washing of the feet" service. Did Pastor Joe carelessly put his fungused hand to his mouth and contract athletes feet of the mouth? That's just an example of how simple it could have happened.

When the hallucinator religion is combined with LSD type agents the hallucination could easily become apostolic, faith inducing or to say the least it could be humongous couldn't it? There's a humongous fungus amongus to say the least and it induces vision of worlds to come or go to or no telling what. Time to apply the fungicide.

LSD turns the contents of your mind inside out. Contents you are aware of and those of which you are not. It can be delightful or it can be hell. It can make you realize that most of your assumptions abut reality are absolutely ridiculous, and it can replace them with other untrue ones or partially true ones. You cannot imagine in this reality what you can experience through LSD. Take my word, please.

Howeever, I do not suggest experimentation. Indeed, I strongly discourage it. You may never come out of it. The seventh time I took it that almost happened. I believed I would be stuck in the state forever. A delusion. The 100th or so time I tried it, it took me 2 weeks to come down. It altered my understanding of reality completely and strange things also happened in the 'outside' world that to this day, over 35 years later I can hardly explain. I never tried it again. Did not dare to after what I saw.

Thhere is a risk and I was almost eaten up by it. My faith in Christ and a jesuit priest pulled me out. This is where I have found peace.

BTW: today was Free Comic Book Day.
Where's Spiderman2 when you need him?

I miss seeing a comment on Atheism and LSD.

BEGONE - I've heard that rattlesnake is pretty good but never had any myself. If it's been tenderized by the Holy Spirit, I can only imagine.

Near as I can tell, humans have been domesticated for several hundred thousand years - at least back to the time when proto-humans were assembling in groups. Do you suppose there were first two, then four, then eight...and so on? Something gave rise to the gregarious social instinct that we're all afflicted with, for better or worse....probably survival advantages.

Hard to tell how or when early hominids began to gather in groups. BTW, I probably don't consider Dawkins to be the next Darwin of evolutionary biology - as amusing and enlightening as he is as an author.

The fact is, humans seem to be evolving cognitively, rather than by virtue of gross physical and/or structural changes. In that sense, information is the vehicle for evolutionary change. And going back to your Muslim fundamentalist conundrum, one would think that fundamentalism would afflict mainly the under-educated and less worldly among the faithful, but not so - not by a long shot.

The known Muslim terrorists in the West have been quite the opposite - highly educated across the board. Our own homegrown terrorists were not unintelligent - the Unibomber Ted Kozinski had a doctorate in mathematics and was considered to be quite brilliant. Unfortunately, if you throw paranoid schizophrenia into the mix, you've got a recipe for utter madness run amuck. No drugs necessary.

Anyway, that whole idea of domestication brings up a menu of possibilities too extensive for tonight's conversation.......maybe another time.

Previously stated:

"OK, then what are they, empty and void if they aren't empty and void?"

Lexical semantics.

Perspective - Dawkins is milling around a phenomena known as domestication. Domestication is one of the strongest arguments in favor of Darwin's theory of evolution. Without physically changing the critter it's fundamental instinct memory changes to match that of the parent that is controlled by a shepherd like human. It takes many generation for the preset memory change to take place.

Of course domestication is what religion offers societies which violates the notion that man has free will. Domestication is the process where the young automatically join the flock. Domesticated farm animals that aren't well domesticated become problems and get destroyed by the farmer -- and eaten too.

Next thing ya know some rather strange critters will be on the menu. Do you know if they ate the rattle snake that bit the Reverend John Wayne "Punkin" Brown during his **last, "demonstrate your faith" service? It wasn't very well domesticated, I guess.

blog control in place again - unable to post.

So much for freedom of expression.

"There's a man on the corner
Coming on like Moses
Hawking you religion
Like a bunch of plastic roses
He's found his path
To the bleeding heart of jesus
You tell him
You've found yours

Heir to a future
You never made
There is nothing less amusing
Than the amusement of pain

In a city by the Somne
Newspaper boys selling you the hard truth
Lucifer employs by the hands by night or day

Stub out the dogend of a day gone by, boy.
Stub out the dogend of a day gone by, boy....
Don't let the smoke get in your eyes

Well the drunk outside the Winn-dee
Is becoming less than friendly
A dog is barking at the moon
The drunk outside the winn dee
Is becoming less than friendly
A dog is barking at the moon

You want to get away
From the city of light
Then when you've gone
You want to get back
It is some strange addiction
When you need to put yourself
Back on the rack

Stub out the dogend of a day gone by, boy....."

--Love and Rockets.

PAGANPLACE - through propioception and 'muscle memory', which isn't anywhere near as good as it used to be. Since you're a medical person, you know how that works. Oliver Sachs the author/neurologist has an interesting tale about a woman who lost this body sense completely through a viral infection. She had to literally look at her feet in order to walk, hand or arm to grasp, etc. If she looked away, the entire process fell apart and she ended up on the floor. She no longer owned her body other than through visual cues. The things we take for granted - imagine if we had to run our zillions of coherent bodily processes consciously, even for a few seconds. Thinking is a luxury, an addiction, and the road to perdition - at least according to Huang Po. Spontaneity is hard to achieve!

Looks like the poets are arriving........!!

You're overthinking it, Perspective.

How do you learn to walk, or hit or catch a baseball?

PAGANPLACE -

You're right in that the sequential way of thinking in the inductive/deductive sense invariably gets in the way of transcendent experience - what happens is the rational mind dismisses it as nonsense, thereby closing a door to many possibilities that tend to be quite transformative in a good way.

I refer back to Grof and his documented experiences with terminally ill patients and chronic depression. Grof concludes with a very positive report on the effects of multiple LSD experiences and the dissolution of depression via these experiences.

As a wise woman once said, we tend never to think of dying until it's imminent - otherwise we assume it's something that happens to everyone else. As an aside, near-death and out-of-body experiences generally have a very positive effect on the fear of dying in much the same way.

Another old Esalen regular was Robert DeRopp, a biologist that wrote certain memorable books from our hippie days in the 1960's - 'The Warrior's Way', 'The Master Game', and 'Self-Completion'. He was also a spiritual seeker that travelled the winding path from George Gurdjeiff and PD Ouspensky's The Fourth Way (where he remained involved for a number of years) to Zen, and all the while acquainting himself with a number of various esoteric schools along the way.

He thought a great deal of Vedanta and the Upanishads as a source of perennial wisdom. In the end, he came to believe that the radical realism Zen (so coined by D.T. Suzuki) came closest to the truth.

He firmly believed that neo-Darwinism in modern times had effectively closed the door to inquiring minds that would otherwise have sought spiritual insight outside the rational norm - in non-rational modalities as represented by mysticism in its many permutations.

DeRopp believed that educated people just threw in the towel and accepted science as the final word - which of course it is not. Odd outside-the-box position for a biologist, you have to admit - and not something Richard Dawkins would necessarily relate to!

And BEGONE, speaking of the madness of Islamic fundamentalists, Richard Dawkins believes in something called memes - culturally inherited and heavily reinforced cognitive tendencies to think and act in certain ways - across a very broad spectrum that includes entire groups, populations and even societies. He applies this to religious thinking, of course. See his thoughts as they apply to Muslim fundamentalism in 'A Devil's Chaplain'.

While we may believe that Americans are a homogeneous group, I would speculate that Muslim populations throughout the world are far more homogeneous, based on the 'purity' of religious beliefs....in that those beliefs have not been ‘corrupted or contaminated’ by the 'base materialism' of the Western world to any significant degree. There are plenty of exceptions, of course.

If one could inject the secret distillate for rampant consumerism in all the drinking water throughout the Mid-East,that might change hearts and minds. Would that be a good thing? Sounds like an entirely different 'values' debate to me.

Certainly many moderate Muslims will disagree that 'purity' of belief may promote a certain psychic fragility that becomes a problem for the devout - but then they are probably highly educated and perhaps even living in the West by now.....our extraordinarily fine Muslim writers and posters, Jihadist and Ahmed of Bahrain excepted, of course.

I must disagree that Muslim martyrdom is fueled by sex and alcohol – given the strict prohibitions governing both in the Muslim world. Religion as a combustible for madness is another matter.

perspective: - I get in trouble because I think the devout being bitten by rattlesnakes, for easy example is funny -- no respect for faith. And their, as you say, "iron clad" faith leads them to some rather humorous explanations why the snake bit and why Jesus didn't save -- not allowed to laugh. Sorry about that but I can't help myself. Stupid is the heart and soul of humor.

"Iron clad" tells us about the condition of the mind. But how do some people get to that condition while others avoid it is the real question. And, on a very serious note, how do we change the iron clad minds of folks like al-qaida? There may be no way to do that at all but maybe we can understand what brought them to that state -- in my opinion the first step to successfully ending it. That brings us full circle back to another characteristic of "mind altering" agents.

Again I must give credit to a certain ancient researcher who noticed that the mind is a function of brain -- where the spiritual unites with the physical. This is a physical world that is only altered by the physical, except for folks with the power to bend objects with their minds of course. Mind-brain is intersection. Somewhere during their lives the "soft" mind becomes "iron clad."

I was communicating with a learned one reviewing that web site. He began with, "what a pile of garbage" talking about some picture graphs. He ended with, "interesting, I'll have to look into this." And, "what a different way of saying it." The particular subject was addiction, the process where soft turns into concrete. No one is born addicted so there must be something that causes it.

The brain, according to those graphs is made up of a large set of point to point connectors, bridges. Learning is the process of connecting points. How much one can learn depends on how many connectors there are of course. And, there are "beginning" at birth bridges, "instinct" bridges. One of those instinct bridges is the nebol bridge that connects knowledge of one's existence in this world to the, at least possible, existence in a "next" world. The nebol bridge is a critical life bridge.

Religion plants a "demon" on the nebol bridge and demands payment to get past it, a toll gate of a sorts. I think he said that's Jay-hawking. The assumption is that the nebol bridge, the eternal life bridge is natural and normal and therefore free. Christians for example say "unless you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior you're going to hell." Followed by, "render to Caesar that which is Caesars and to God that which is God's." Then comes the closer, the "off the shelf" poor woman and rich man parable and "My How the Money Rolls In." That's not Jay-hawking?

But that's not enough. There must be other force at play. Threats of hell isn't enough. But threats of hell makes the individual mind susceptible. To understand that we need to understand first that there is a natural fear of death that is a natural road block on the nebol bridge. The threat of hell adds to that fear. Alcohol, drugs and religion all remove all fear and especially the fear of death on a temporary basis. And, as we know makes the individual an insurance risk, likely to head to heaven right now and take a few un-ready along.

Alcohol and drugs "pile drive" the bridge when their effects wear off. Those acts are sinful and add to the religion fear. That calls for relief that comes in the form of more alcohol/drugs. It's a vicious cycle that ends with the nebol bridge being broken -- heaven is lost. Once broken mental bridges never heal. That's addiction. No matter how much the individual tries there is no relief anywhere. Drugs and alcohol no longer work. And religion takes absolute, (iron clad) control. Muslims find relief by becoming martyrs and so do others.

All relief from the fear of death is not found in alcohol and drugs alone. Religion by itself pile drives the nebol bridge. Alcohol and drugs only speed the process. The 19 of 9-11-2001 had their bridges broken. My limited research says they were alcohol, drug and sinful sex abusers.

Can we stop them? I don't know but maybe we can understand them. More to the point, maybe we can help them understand themselves. In particular the nebol bridge and fear of death that leads people to suicide. Like love and hate, death and fear-of-death are next door neighbors.

"I recommend reading Mircea Eliade's classic work on ‘Shamanism’ for more."

Good stuff, ...sure helped me understand my own human experience, that.

" Religion is clearly man's attempt to explain the inexplicable."

First religion (or anti-religion) has to define things as 'inexplicable.' ...thus to get people to buy into the anti-rational as an 'explanation.'

What if it's *not?*

What if it's not about our current fixation on 'explanations?' 'Literal truths?'

What if it *is* about experiences and interrelations and interactions?

What shamanism can teach us now is that we need to cede neither the field of reason nor our subjective experience to some 'definition.'

Rationality, the use of our reason, and 'rational-ism' (the pat rejection of anything that is not 'proven' in certain ways) ...are two different things. Very different things.

Actually, rational-ism is much like organized religion, in some ways, ...rationality is concerned with the proper use of reason and observation.

In my experience, things we call *mystical* are in no danger from us applying our rationality. In fact, the more wondrous things get, the more our rationality is our ally.

Otherwise, we're just rationalizing.

We have human, emotional, spiritual, *subjective* experiences, too. These are part of us, and our world.

It doesn't take a drug to see that. But for some, a change of consciousness for a while *helps.*

BEGONE - yes, humans have been trying to alter their reality for millennia, even if only temporarily. In this case, LSD is a moot point as it remains illegal in the USA. From what I read, Hofman continued to trip on LSD for much of his life - and of course shamans throughout the world currently use a variety of botanical substances to alter the mundane world in the pursuit of their 'job' - which is to travel to alternate realities in order to either find a solution to a problem, and/or predict future outcomes for individuals or groups. They have the special function of serving as a bridge between this world, and what has been called the Imaginal world by other writers - equally real, but of another dimension altogether. Can you hear the theme song from Twilight Zone yet??

Shamanism has been with us most likely from the time of Neanderthal and so is the earliest historical remnant of religious behavior. I recommend reading Mircea Eliade's classic work on ‘Shamanism’ for more. Religion is clearly man's attempt to explain the inexplicable. Problem is, religion has crystallized into largely unchanging institutional structures that exist, like the bureaucracies that Max Weber first wrote about - for the sake of their own self-perpetuating existence. The trappings of religion keep the masses enthralled, but do little else in the way of offering guidance to spiritual development or personal evolution, at least in my view.

Religion as group behavior is simply another socio-cultural phenomenon, best understood by experts in the field of human behavior - e.g. social scientists, comparative religionists and religious historians ... all of whom have the background for delineating a rational view of religion in society.

True believers can certainly become intoxicated on the elixir of religion - the snake handlers found in the South among extremist Pentecostal groups is a case in point. When intoxicated with the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues, their belief in their own divine protection and immunity from venom results in death due to snakebite with some frequency. Their beliefs are nevertheless ironclad, much like the ancient technique for determining the identity of witches by immersion - if they drown they're innocent, and if they survive they're clearly guilty of witchcraft, being protected by the devil. Then it's off to either the gallows or the stake.

Humans are fiendishly clever at devising psychological defense mechanisms and rationalizations for their most closely held beliefs - even unto death.

As to alcohol, well, that's been around since our Neanderthal brethren walked among us too - I'm willing to bet. A double edged sword for sure!

As a wise person once said, people go with what they know for explanations, purpose, and the meaning of life. It's just built in to our genes. Physicist Stephen Hawking once said something to the effect that physicists that can, do the math - while everyone else does religion. Too cynical perhaps?? Well, that’s one well noted point of view anyway - albeit a wee bit elitist!!

All things in moderation is my philosophy....believing any one thing to the exclusion of all evidence to the contrary is the road to ruin - and yet people do it all the time.

I would say, that like any form of experienceor perception, LSD has much to do with what you bring to it... and it's important to draw a distinction between those who use it for exploratory purposes, and those who use it as another way to 'get loaded,' often combining it with alcohol, or indeed, some of the things some acid can be combined with by the producers. (there used to commonly be a lot of speed in it, though these days it seems there's more money in meth and the like.) ...as well as things like strychnine, which is actually the source of some of the effects one hears about, rather than the acid itself,) ...and occasionally, PCP, which is more likely to produce the effects used to scare folks, about trying to fly off buildings and the like. This is very dangerous, clearly, but it's important to separate that from the compound, itself.

Of which, well, I remain skeptical of its use as an entheogen, (such as traditional things like peyote or ayahuasca, etc) and of the belief it induces psychic experiences. It can show one their own perceptions, though, and that can be of meaning in one's spiritual understandings.

That's not to encourage irresponsible behavior, but I do think that its therapeutic use was abandoned too soon, out of scorn and fear for the 'drug culture' ..as well as a perfectly-reasonable belief that the psychiatric profession just doesn't have a productive context for such things, and there's that 'do no harm' rule. ...as well as a suspicion by organized religion of *anyone* taking their consciousness into their own hands.

The use of drugs in traditional cultures and spiritualities always involved a *context* as well as some training, not just running out and getting loaded, otherwise one mostly sees what one brought with them. Is it a 'shortcut,?' ...it's a road.

It's best to be cautious about certain claims. I don't take drugs, myself, and mostly have ended up being in the position of trying to help kids make informed choices, keep em off meth and coke and heroin and the like, without becoming someone they just disregard. I don't miss being put in that position. But at least there one can admonish about the far worse dangers of *mixing* the stuff with alcohol and other things, or taking stuff you-don't-know-where-it-came from:

As a spiritual person, well, I say that 'People handle this differently, and it's not going to show you God, so much as what you bring with you. There are other methods that I'd try first, people with some skill at meditation and lucid dreaming are far less likely to have a bad time. '

Like anything, it and one's self need to show some exercise of respect.

perspective: - what's abundantly clear is that we have reached some barricade in our understanding of where we are, what we are etc. Getting past that roadblock, if we ever do will come first as a thought. Our topic is LSD which is a "mind altering" substance.

If we look back in history we find many Hofmanns with the hope they have found a short cut to knowledge. Eating the book to gain it's knowledge is one of the more humorous. We can never rule out some "mind altering" thing that will short cut us to utopia but we can say that no one has found it yet. And, searchers, experimenters have suffered the consequences, short term memory loss for example.

The super topic here is faith. One might wonder what LSD has to do with faith. Fact is that LSD and religion are both "mind alterers" and therefore are in the same category so they fit well together. And, they have other things in common, recreation and of course drunk.

Alcohol, drugs and religion all make folks drunk. Even auto insurers recognize that the religious are high risk, prone to trust their plastic Jesus' to protect them as they drive wildly like those with too much alcohol. And, of course drunk is entertaining the morning after being damned at the moment. Religion puts it's morning after off until death.

Does religion make people drunk? Man drinks, feels the spirits in the booze and falls down. Man goes to church, preacher puts hands on calling Jesus to fill the man with the holy spirit and man falls down. Man falls down because man is drunk. Drunk is fun. Religious drunk morning after, big hangover comes when man dies and discovers preacher works for the "spirit" in the burning bush, you know, the one Moses made the deal with to heal his poor "killer on the run" soul.

Alcohol, drugs including LSD and religion are all one and the same thing, agents that alter the human mind. Mind is what we have to work with. Alcohol and drugs, especially LSD alter the mind in the wrong direction. Religion doesn't? Well, all religions except my faith alter the mind in the wrong direction. Ecumenical? What's that?

BEGONE - your comments bring to mind the conclusion reached by many physicists, who regard time as illusory and relativistic - time existing only in relationship to objects in space and their respective movements.....objects ranging in size from galaxies to photons. When we contemplate the Planck dimensions of speed and size at the start of the Big Bang as physicists calculate these limits, it does seem as though everything came from nothing in the briefest of instants! These mathematical limits are quite beyond anything we can imagine in our seemingly substantial slow-motion world.

Even now, and in line with your comments, some physicists see the material universe as appearing, disappearing, and re-appearing instant to instant at hyper-speeds far beyond our perceptual capacity. What is equally strange is how objects, alleged to be composed of a discrete array of particles held together by electro-magnetic forces, continue to know their own boundary limits as they flash off and on.

In other words, how may an infinite number of objects maintain their own integrity of size, shape, and form without melting away into space? How then are probability waves actually converted into a particle based universe?? Perhaps the theory of cosmic memory is the answer - certainly memory is what allows us to enjoy a seemingly logical and coherent existence from moment to moment, year in and year out.

Most of us have known Alzheimer's sufferers that lose this continuity with the loss of memory - I've seen patients with temporal lobe damage through disease, injury or alcohol abuse that lose short term memory altogether - each moment is literally brand new....and they are completely helpless to care for themselves.

Memory is a feature of consciousness - as to origins, there's no doubt that consciousness and it's various attributes functions best in and through a healthy brain, but is consciousness itself a primary phenomenon that exists apart from the brain, or is it a localized epiphenomenon that is dependent on a brain for it's existence? Or is the brain merely an elaborate quantum receiver/computer??

And that takes us back to how psychedelics such as LSD re-arrange time and create new universes where our clumsy physical laws no longer apply. Are these particle based universes?? Good question - in keeping with the spirit of Claire's article above, I mentioned Stan Grof and his work with LSD among the terminally ill because he was a featured Esalen Institute presenter for many years, and may still be. I highly recommend his work 'The Ultimate Journey - Consciousness and the Mystery of Death' regarding his work with the dying.

Two books I highly recommend regarding the nature and matrix of our physical reality - 'Science and the Akashic Field' & 'Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos' by Ervin Laszlo.

Here Laszlo capitalizes on the idea of the quantum vacuum or zero point field as the infinite virtual matrix from whence our material reality emerges. Cosmic memory is here as is the blueprint for the Metaverse - the multitude of simultaneously existing past, present and future universes.

Interesting stuff.........

perspective:

Looks like your post got through. It brings to mind a couple of points that I found at an infamous and unmentionable web site and I don't know if it's still there even. I'm working from memory and my understanding.

The break through that physicists need to make is in the are of time and not matter or space or whatever else. That's my conclusion anyhow. The theory stated is that time is not continuous and is a necessary ingredient of existence. And, we, this universe does not get all the time.

We only exist for a moment of time and go completely out of existence while an infinite set of other universes get their moments of time, come into existence and go out of existence. Then we get our next moment of time, come into and then go right back out of existence. This sequence is repeated indefinitely creating the illusion of continuous time. Movie film is the best analogy I can think of with each frame being a moment of time.

According to the theory all motion takes place during "off" or nonexistence time. While we exist we are motionless explaining how light is not perverted by motion. Another interesting part is the fact that for that system to work there must be a memory that remembers the disposition and whereabouts of every particle in all universes. Break into that memory and have the best historian possible for ever moment of time is recorded and recoverable. Want to walk with Buddha or Jesus or be there with Moses making deals with a ball of fire?

There's a lot more to it and I may be a little off in what I think it says. I'll see if I can find it again.

BTW no 2 particles of matter ever touch each other. Large particles are just collections of smaller ones. Taken to the limit of smallness there may well be nothingness, a void. Nothing at all is effortless to create and destroy and recreate. With that thought in mind that wild theory tames a lot. Time and memory may be all there is.

BEGONE - this is an essential truth related to the nature of ultimate reality according to Buddhism.

Enlightenment as experienced by the Buddha found all phenomena to be empty of independent existence and without a self-existing nature of their own, despite the appearance of boundaries between all objects, down to and including atoms. All things have always been co-dependent and inseparable in their essence - kind of like the idea of non-locality in physics.

Once particles are entangled or come in close proximity to one another, they forever after demonstrate perfect mirror replicas of one another regardless of distance. At the moment of the Big Bang, all particles were entangled as the stuff of the entire material universe emerged in an instant.

Since that time, nothing in existence has truly been separated - other than as appearances. As alien as all this sounds, it's not far off the mark of both Buddhist thinking and the thinking of a number of quantum physicists. Reality is likely to be much stranger than we can begin to imagine, the more we discover about it.

The Buddha found all things to consist of one essential nature or 'substance' - but that substance was void of qualities. Consequently, existence as we know it is based on appearance - but if appearances or objects are disassembled & reduced to their fundamental essence, there is nothing remaining. Therefore, in this view the stuff of the universe begins to resemble a reality as ephemeral and transparent as thought itself - in a manner of speaking.

This is not so different from the findings of quantum physics these days – atoms and their constituent sub-atomic particles are easier to view as probabilities rather than as real things. It is what the Buddhists call Mind that gives shape and form to each object - physics calls it the observer effect, or the collapse of the wave function – which then yields a particle based object of the senses.

Some physicists believe material stuff emerges, merges, and re-emerges from something they call the quantum vacuum (the Void) - in a perpetual cycle.

The proviso being that the vacuum is not really empty after all, but is dense with virtual energy and infinite potential....everything that is, was, or ever will be is contained as a virtual blueprint in the apparent emptiness of the quantum vacuum - furthermore, it is conjectured that objects appear by virtue of their holographic nature - thus we see references to the quantum holofield or the holographic universe.

According to a number of thinkers, consciousness itself extracts the forms that we witness from instant to instant from the virtual vacuum of probabilities. This is indeed something from nothing, and yet……that doesn’t quite define it.

I hope that clears up the cryptic point I was making!

BEGONE - I fashioned a long a complex answer that I thought was quite good, but it disappeared in the virtual universe. Some other time ....

perspective: Huh?

>>Emptiness is not really empty, and the Void is not really void<<

OK, then what are they, empty and void if they aren't empty and void?

Religion defines sin that defines religion. There's emptiness filling a void of some kind. So that's how that works, voids are filled with nothing and nothing is something? Foghorn Leghorn said, "No matter how many nothings you got you still got nothing." You disagree? Enough nothings becomes something.

Did you know that anything divided by nothing can be made equal to whatever you want it to be, with a little work of course? That's the stuff miracles are made of. Ever see proof that 1 equals 2? Folks catch on right away if you use something they understand, numbers so use variables, x and y and sines etc to disguise your trickery -- just like religion. Do the dividing by zero with a variable that equals zero during your simplification. Without breaking any of the rules making it must be proof positive. Feeding them a little hallucinogenic chemicals will make your audience more receptive so I've heard.

BEGONE - 'a bottomless pit of emptiness'...it won't be long and you'll be identified as a Zen Buddhist with such expressions. On the other hand, there's no place for self-righteousness in Zen.

Try everything, have no beliefs, and see what's left. Emptiness is not really empty, and the Void is not really void.

An empty life is a sure sign of an empty head. Those who fill their mental voids with hallucinogenic substances only shorten their miserable lives. Religion, evangelical variety in particular and of course all those "meditater" types make good substitutes for illegal drugs and they come with respectability. Those Okies from Muskogee have found that illegal alcohol does a really thrilling job filling empty heads with agonizing aches.

There are "better things for living through chemistry" and therefore there must also be "better things for dying young through chemistry." Hoffman's discovery of LSD fits in the latter category. Religion is coming up fast in the better things for killing through chemistry, a variation of better things for dying young just as soon as al-qaida gets the formula straight. In the mean time al-qaida does a booming trade in opium based chemicals with many Americans that are LSD graduates and others, never used LSD as well. Man's craving for spirituality knows no bounds, a bottomless pit of emptiness.

It's an awfully good bet Moses was lying when he said he spoke to God but we can rest assured that Joseph Smith made his deal with the real McCoy. Know what I mean?

In fact Albert Hofman continued to extol the virtues of LSD to his dying day. Read anything by Dr. Stan Grof, co-founder of Transpersonal Psychology and his use of LSD and other chemical derivitives with dying and terminally ill patients, mainly in the 1970's when LSD was still available for clinical purposes. He believes deeply in the transformative benefits of LSD as the vehicle that opens the door to alternate realilties - in the same way that Aldous Huxley found LSD, peyote, and mescalin to be beneficial.

Huxley dropped acid on his deathbed.....Timothy Leary may have done the same! Under controlled circumstances the potential for major psychic benefit seems to far outway the negatives, the bad tripping, etc. In any event, Grof evolved a system called Holotropic Breathwork that achieves the same states and without the use of chemicals.

Check him out. He's got some very interesting publications out there.

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Are we now going to have those who have experimented with LSD and/or are currently using LSD share a piece of their LSD mind here?

Also, the link title, 'The Demon in LSD', is quite goofy. There is no demon in there. It's a fairly simple chemical compound. The demon, if we must use such simplistic and backwards ideas, lies within each of us and we can heed its call or not heed its call.

Josef Sefton, numerology isn't math. Sorry.

Most definitely not for the weak-minded or those loosely grounded in reality.

LSD was instrumental in my development as a human being in the same way that a koan can be instrumental to a Buddhist. It was overwhelmingly positive.

Experience! Experience! Experience! Somethings are not for Kids or the Weak Minded(s)!

Dr. Hofmann will be greatly missed. Just looking at the messages on his remembrance site www.alberthofmann.org shows how large parts his character and his life work played and still plays in people's lifes.

Ladies and gentlemen, I meant to write that God hasn't ruled you out of an intimate walk before Him.

It has been a hard day.

May God richly bless you all and me too.

This message is for acid freaks and for all types of freaks. Normal people are encouraged to read it too.

Would you trust someone who looks facially somewhat like a seal? Would you trust someone who can balance a mathematical identity called 857+31=888 on his nose, without first hearing him talk with glowing love for Jesus Christ?

Ladies and gentlemen I'm not on LSD nor am I promoter of LSD nor am I a LDS or a promoter of their strange doctrines.

My latest report card from God says: Josef Sefton you could have explained the truth that I am a brilliant mathematician a lot more convincingly.

Ladies and gentleman, the subject for today is not a hard subject; so don't fall asleep before you too start yelling out Eureka as I did and still do far too often in the opinion of my pet parrot.

When we explore the Hebrew and Greek languages magnificent discoveries about God start knocking on both the front and back doors of our eyes. We do this God honouringly by saying no to drugs like LSD.

As we all know or should know reliable, trustworthy servants of God are not full time narcisistic lunatics.

Eureka, eureka (I have found it) I yelled seven times, like a common idiot who has just escaped from a lunatic asylum.

Anyone who knows me well knows that I am very insistent that narcissism and lunacy aren't my greatest liabilities.

Sensible audience, it is very important to know that the Old Testament was first recorded in the Hebrew language, and that the New Testament was first recorded in the Greek language.

Diligent students of the holy Bible, let us prove God's perfect mastery of
language and numbers by observing the integration of the Hebrew and Greek
languges as used in the Holy Bible using a numerical identity.

When we say that 857 + 31 =888 most people even those who have escaped from
a lunatic asylum or those who are dialing on their cell phones for a pizza
called Armageddon to be delivered to them as soon as possible, know that this
makes sense arithmetically.

When we study the word El we find out that it is the Hebrew word for God and
that it is made up of two letters Aleph and Lamed. Aleph has an ordinal value
of 1 and Lamed an ordinal value of 12. 1+12=13
A little research shows the number 13 is a number in the holy Bible
associated with God Himself.

Additionally the numeric value of Alpha is 1 and the numeric value of Lamed
is 30 giving us a total numeric value of 31.

In the Greek language the phrase God's Word has a numeric value of 857 and
the name Jesus has a numeric value of 888. This identity states that Jesus
is El or the God of the Old Testament and God's Word, the God of the New Testament as recorded in John 1:1
Ladies and gentlemen, God hasn't ruled you of an intimate walk before Him.

However, because God teaches us that the just shall live by faith we must be very careful not to rewrite holy Scripture as follows: the just shall live by their own intuition.

Faith is based on God's word the Holy Bible, whereas intuition is based on
all sorts of nonsense no matter how sincere we are.

Deep searchers for truth, God desires to cleanse us from relying on our
feelings before Him and His written word.

Embracing subjectivism is a delibatating error; for God is holy and we are
unholy no matter how much He is currently blessing us. We must voluntarily
relinquish and return for His use the gift of time and the talents that He
has blessed us with; so that He can rechannel them to bring glory to His
exalted name.

This was the challenge Abraham faced and passed to God's satisfaction that
we can read about in Genesis 22.

Faith involves us acknowledging that God is Our Guide, Leader, Teacher,
Judge, Saviour, King and God.

Pagans will have to voluntarily run away from paganism. Lunatics will have
to stop worshipping lunacy and silly seals who think they are pastors of
purity will have to get their acts together; for God's word states without
faith it is impossible to please God.

So if you've got and are proud of your life membership in the first Church
of corruption you'll have to stop yelling out Eureka, eureka I have found it;
because God Triune, the unique Author of the holy Bible has found you out
and not vice versa as you claim.

If you sense you've got one or two wood chips in your head floating around
than you should'nt have start motioning your feet to the Ark of God's grace.

If you comprehend that God's Beloved, Jesus Christ, desires to bless you
with His gracious gift of the holy Spirit of God, subject to you repenting
with a broken and contrite heart?

If you comprehend that God clothed in human flesh died on a cross made of
wood (the very wood He invented) bow down in humility and thank, praise and
bless His sinless compassionate Name.

Jeus Christ loves us. He was not only a carpenter whilst on earth but He is
God, Our heavenly Carpenter. His expertise spans every subject that glorifies
His name.

When you start the adventure of praying with praise in your heart for Him
He will encourage and inspire you to deeds of beauty and truth like no one
else can.

Sanity for sinful lunatics of all shades that's what Jesus Christ delights
to provide and that's why I don't just say Eureka but I have found
Him or more correctly He has found me.

That's why I treasure Genesis 2:9 and Revelation 22:2; for I know that the
risen Jesus Christ is Our tree of life. He was in the Garden of Eden on
earth as God first planted trees.

Blessed be the all glorious Name of Our Beloved, Father, Son and the holy
Spirit. Amen.

The 1960s had Vietnam...
The 2000s has Iraq...

The 1960s had Nixon...
The 2000s have Bush...

The 1960s had LSD...
The 2000s have Meth...

What doors have been opened with ANY perception?