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Huckabee's Impact and Exit

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said goodbye last night in Texas. He stuck to his theme of ornate story telling with some baseball metaphor I didn't quite get, but his speech was sweet and from the heart. He said he wanted to be remembered as having given the race his best, and no matter how liberal you are you have to give that to the guy.

More significantly, Huckabee inspired a bloc of voters who saw themselves as religiously conservative but not necessarily angry, and I'm glad they've joined in this well-attended election cycle. To that end, I recommend checking out Huckabee's campaign blog. Supporters wrote in their fare-thee-wells to him last night, and it's exciting to see how many people he inspired to be a part of the political system.

I liked this one from a woman who calls herself Faithful:

"Thank you for not hiding your faith. Because of you and what you represent, my husband and I got actively involved in the political process even caucusing tonight for the first time."

I had no desire to have Huckabee as my President -- I disagree with almost everything he believes in -- but I liked him. He was self-deprecating and loose -- and honest about who he was and his Christianity.

Despite rumors to the contrary, Huckabee, had he made it, would not have been our first preacher-man President. That honor went to James A. Garfield, who coincidentally took office 127 years ago to the day that Huckabee called it quits in Texas.

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Comments (104)

Tom3:

Too bad Huckabee wasn't the nominee.

The Democrats would have mopped the floor with that whacko.

He believes the Earth is only 6000 years old.

Anybody who believes that is mentally defective.

phil spurio:

The Book Shelves
(Dedicated to all People of Faith)

There is a tiny cinder block church, on my way to Williamstown, that
has three large wooden crosses set in its front lawn.
While passing the church, the other day, I strained to look back and just for
an instant, I could swear I saw a series of books stacked on the horizontal members
of the crosses. When my eyes refocused and mind cleared I realized it was only a flashback of Mike Huckabee’s televised holiday commercial.
His Christmas Card to us, if you will………..

Now Mr. Huckabee, with a wink and a smile, insists “it was just a coincidence” that
his perfectly proportioned, beautifully lit Book Shelve, appeared to almost
every living soul to be a Cross……..

On Mike’s Shelves, there rests many books.
He could have chosen the one referred to as the “Good Book”.
This time, however, I fear, he picked the book best suited to his new profession.
That being the one written for the Politician………

Hillman:

Ah, the old 'hate the sin, love the sinner'.

Funny. You don't see that applied to, say, divorcees.

Where are all the Christians demanding that divorcees be treated like second class citizens? That it be legal to fire divorcees because of their marital status. Or to evict them. Or to deny them the right to remarry.

But why not? I mean, hate the sin, right?

No, you all reserve that for homosexuals.

A bit of hypocrisy at best, wouldn't you say?

If you are really going to claim the Bible is the reason for persecuting gays, then you need to use ALL of the Bible. You need to start supporting slavery, as it's clearly condoned in the Bible. You need to BAN divorce. Period. You need to make sure women are secondary to men.

Heck, you even need to establish clear rules for how long American soldiers must wait before they rape the wives of dead Iraqi soldiers. After all, there are specific instructions in the Bible about how you must wait a 'proper period' before it's ok for soldiers to rape the wives of enemy soldiers they've killed.

So, how long is that 'proper period' anyway?

ksinger:

bethidee:
"There should never be an explicitly religious reason for modifying a secular document."

I agree with you. I'm not arguing that. Truth is, I think Mike Huckabee would agree with that.

Errol,
It's quite a stretch to say that Hitler and Stalin were products of Christian culture and religion. They are better defined as products of evil; mental illness, even...but not Christianity.
People have been persecuting people since the beginning of time. I don't think Christians have the market cornered.

Bethidee:

It is NOT a stretch at all to say that Hitler was a product of a Christian culture. Go to Germany today and make a count of all the churches, (I've been to Bavaria and I can attest - they're everywhere). Do some research on German pograms of jews and other groups over the centuries prior to Hitler. Germans were more ferocious than any other group in Europe in killing the hated "Christ killers". Hitler was only the latest and greatest, so to speak. The fact is, ALL of Europe was Christian and to say otherwise to try to get that great undercurrent off the hook is just weasely, and a standard argument whenever Christians want to disavow the clear evil done by other Christians. That great evil grew and flourished in a Christian culture, period. And the vast majority of "good Christians" sat by silently IN their churches as this went on. Talk about sins of omission! Christians may not have a corner on the market for evil deeds, but they sure ain't pikers either. Kinda puts the lie to their claims to moral superiority.

As for religious justification for policy, well, we've already SEEN what one man in the Oval Office who claims to talk to God Himself can do. And some of us are simply not as trusting of a person's claims as you are. You believed Huckabee, I and quite a few others apparently, do not. I LIVE right in the middle of the Bible Belt, and see massive amounts of sanctimony and underhandedness coming from people who loudly proclaim their piety and quite frankly I have learned FROM THEM, not to trust the public display of religiosity.

I do not want a Pastor In Chief, no matter WHAT his policies may be.

AFR:

You said, "I had no desire to have Huckabee as my President -- I disagree with almost everything he believes in -- but I liked him."

That is exactly how I feel about Obama, but not Hillary, since she is totally unlikeable.

Garret:

So many (spideyvcu) are attacking Huckabee and evangelicals for assuming "their version of the truth to be correct". Do we not all assume our version of the truth to be correct? One of the beauties of our system is that we have the freedom to express what we believe to be true and to vote for people who represent us. Huckabee and those who support him should not be slammed for promoting what they believe. We all do it.

As for Huckabee's statements about changing the Constitution...if the situation were reversed and abortion / gay marriage were currently unconstitutional, would there not be an equal push to change the Constitution from the other side? And who would give that group the "moral right" to push for a change?

Frankly, whichever side of the issue you fall on, no one is to be blamed for choosing a side and arguing it. Huckabee is to be commended.

Vote For Truth:

If the state of Arkansas has the lowest education level, then I guess you MUST be a Huckabee fan since he improved the schools from 49th in the country to 8th in the U.S. I don't think because they aren't IVY LEAGUE schools and the people don't have the money to go to college, you should classify them as ignorant (remember most of them are Democrats). You should very elitist! That's why people like Mike Huckabee...he doesn't make people feel inferior or stupid, but he had many more accomplishments in Arkansas than many other "smarter" states.

jdroberto2005:

Getting 60% of the vote in a state that has the nation's lowest education level isn't any accomplishment. David Duke did as well in Louisiana, another national embarrassment.

Vote For Truth:

Isn't the real issue is that a lot of you are afraid Mike Huckabee would use his religion to try to change America even though he didn't do that in Arkansas. He never tried to cram his religion on the people of Arkansas and most of them thought he was a great Governor. He was elected in a Democratic state and he accomplished a lot of great things for that state. He received over 60% of the vote in Arkansas on Super Tuesday...that should say a lot about how they feel about him. Can't you use his actions as your proof instead of your misintpretation of his words?

Don't you remember that many people used these same arguments for JFK? Many Democrats think he was the best President ever! George W. Bush did not push his religion down anybodys throat. So why can't you remember how people just like you were wrong then, just like you are wrong now and, unbelievably for the same reasons as in the past. Don't the people of America ever learn?

Mike Huckabee said he was defined by his religion. That only means he would be honest, have integrity and rule God-given principles, like kindness and love.

Mike Huckabee is the only person I can ever remember who was a candidate for President without being a millionaire or next to it. He was poor when he was being raised and governed in one of the poorest states in the U.S. What a great advantage for the people of America to have a President who can feel and understand the issues of the middle class and the poor. That's why he said he wanted the poor to get richer.

I believe Mike Huckabee would be the best President this country could have, and I will vote for him no matter when he runs again.

jdroberto2005:

The fact that Mike Huckabee is such a "nice guy" is precisely what should terrify any free-thinking American.

The following is a direct quote from Huckabee, which I read every day to remind myself of the fundamental threat to our country which far, far outstrips that of a handful of idiots with boxcutters:

"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution. But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that's what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

Huckabee is a theocrat, and represents nothing less than an American Taliban in "Christian" garb. Like our current president, he's not only willing but eager to use our Constitution as a weapon to restrict the rights of millions of Americans.

Steve:

Damn!

I was hoping Huckabee would not only win the nomination, but the election!

America desperately needs at least four more divisionist-revisionist Republican-lead presidencies so that American society crumbles into a puddle of our own sniveling, emotional, cowardly, bible-besotted goo.

The sheer arrogance and superficiality of some of these amazing creatures like Huckabee, The Clintons, and Romney actually getting anywhere near the Whitehouse *again* is mind-numbing. We may never survive George The Boy King's reign as it is.

Imagine having a president in the year 2008 (let alone 2000) who has absolutely no clue as to what is inscribed inside that gigantic tomb of the very founder of the Republican Party, nor any clue as to what those words actually mean -- and if they actually did, simply preferring to ignore them.

Personally I doubt either party's current hopefuls can genuinely see beyond their own patronizingly- flared nostrils -- windbags and dissemblers all.

Shouldn't we have like, really 'Intelligent, Gifted, Innovative, and Honest people' running for President? What's up with that anyway? Isn't there an IQ test or something? Hello?

Can we please have someone who can hire people that might actually be competent enough to save our beloved cities like New Orleans from bad weather and unemployment? Someone who could send our young men and women after Osama instead of Sadama (or did He get those names confused)?

Well I know one thing for sure. When it all comes tumbling down, I and many other *true Americans* will be here with the chance to rebuild and make damn sure it never happens again, and, if there's going to be any revisions to our Constitution -- a sacred document if there ever was one (a model of freedom still revered and aspired to by peoples of every nation on earth) -- it will be to include a guarantee that Geebus, Muhumid, Yehu, and Yoda, and all their lovers can all have free passage back to the barren, empty, hopeless desert they came babbling out of 2000 years ago -- and stay there.

bethidee:

I love Huckabee, too!

jessica:

i love huckabee!

bethidee:

"Just because your little neighborhood church says you have to hate gays and abortion and these other religiously-motivated hatreds, that doesn't mean you're going to kill people, does it?"
My church would NEVER tell me any such thing.
Is it impossible for you all to believe that a Christian can have gay friends and be pro-choice? If so, you have an entirely inaccurate view of millions of Christians. Your stereotypes are as offensive as those you denounce.

bethidee:

1. I am not the "Ultra Conservative Right". You need a different girl. I have already made that clear.
2. How am I to disprove what a theoretical President would do, Oort? I only know that Governor Huckabee believes in the separation of church and state...which is why you sound hysterical.

Oort:

bethidee be specific. What have I exaggerated?
It's easy to say that, it's easy to claim someone is hysterical when you find yourself in a position you can't defend. Whether because it's indefensible or your are just incapable of making that defense, you are using the same method to avoid having a sense of losing something.

Be specific. I was.

Anon Imous:

Everyone who thinks McCain is going to be just a Soldier taking on the War, has another thing coming. He's going to change the Supreme Court!! There will be no SAFE abortions and in the long run, he will make it possible to change the constitution. If the ultra-conservative right has it's way, there will be NO privacy rights.

NP:

Yeah, well I'm tired of hearing that argument. It sounds like the crap coming out of the politician's mouths, "at least we aren't as bad as they are" ... hooey.

The mass death caused by the nazis and communists was done during the 20th century. There were millions more people to kill, it was a far more target-rich environment than when the religions were busy killing. The nazis and communists had industrial revolution equipment - airplanes carrying tons of bombs, dropping them on cities with millions of people.

The opportunity for death was far greater simply as a matter of timing in history. Do you really think the Catholics and Protestants killing each other in Europe several hundred years ago would hesitate for a second to use these death machines if they had? Do you think for another second they would hesitate because of the numbers of people killed? The Muslims and Christians were busy for a thousand years killing each other like that, make the same point with them.

Just because your little neighborhood church says you have to hate gays and abortion and these other religiously-motivated hatreds, that doesn't mean you're going to kill people, does it?

If you believe too much, if you have too much faith, if you never stop to ask your leaders, both religious and political, why you should hate someone ... your credulity and gullibilty makes you more prone to joining these mass movements, more prone to joining these armies, and more prone to being one of the killers.

It's not the content of the religion or the politics, its' the gullibility of the followers that makes this possible.

bethidee:

"Ok, I'll buy that for the sake of argument. I guess this means that it's better to be one of the 10s of millions killed by religion than it is to be one of the 100 million killed by the communists.

Wow, one corpse is better than another."
No, NP, that's not the point. I am just tired of people blaming religion for all the world's problems.

bethidee:

Oort- slowly, carefully, please consider: Mike Huckabee was a Baptist preacher over twenty years ago.
He was Governor of Arkansas for over ten years in recent history, which is far more pertinent.
Alleging that his presidency would be a de facto theocracy is ignorant and paranoid at best, hateful and slanderous at worst.
I consider myself an open-minded person- I hope I've shown that clearly here- but I have no patience with hysterical exaggerations.

NP:

Always fascinated by the christian claim that "atheists killed more people than religion."

Ok, I'll buy that for the sake of argument. I guess this means that it's better to be one of the 10s of millions killed by religion than it is to be one of the 100 million killed by the communists.

Wow, one corpse is better than another.

It wasn't atheism that made them do it by the way, it was communism. It was the same kind of blind faith in "the system" being run by the government pukes who owned the armies. Faith is stupid, it leads to mass death.

Errol:

Bethidee,

"Errol,
It's quite a stretch to say that Hitler and Stalin were products of Christian culture and religion. They are better defined as products of evil; mental illness, even...but not Christianity.
People have been persecuting people since the beginning of time. I don't think Christians have the market cornered."

What I said was that they were products of Christian culture and religion because they grew up as Christians in longtime Christian cultures. These cultures had been extremely Christian centric with unfortunate ethnic/religious cleansing on a regular basis for centuries. It was PART of the equation - not the whole. The problem I have is with the Christian world taking little or no responsibility for the messes it has spawned (genocide of American Indians for example, and yes the Holocaust is one of them and it came out of centuries of religious persecution of "OTHER" people).

I agree, no group has the market cornered in the persecution department.

Oort:

Well said bethidee: "here is plenty of "Christian" denominational doctrine I feel free to avoid!"

Huckabee is a member of a denomination. Once he gets the more generic christian laws enacted that most of you claim to agree with - abortion and gay marriage as we seem to be discussing here, what will he do next, what will you demand of him now that he's put your religion over us all? What will the other denominations demand?

Why do you think there are so many denominations anyway, you believers can't agree on the Real Truths you all seem to claim.

Religion is the genus, denomination is the species. Catholics and Lutherans and Jews and Muslims are all believers in Religion. Once you start running your government with one of them, what do you really expect will happen to the others?

bethidee:

"I also understand that Christians can extract the good parts and ignore the bad parts of Christianity. This is fine with me, but seems somewhat intellectually dishonest because what criteria is used to decide what is good or bad."

Agathodemon, I don't just choose the good parts of Christ's lessons and example and ignore the bad. I try to live my life in accordance with all of his teachings.
It is my belief that he gave the world a beautiful religion, which has been interpreted, re-interpreted, misinterpreted and misused by man over many centuries. There is plenty of "Christian" denominational doctrine I feel free to avoid!

bethidee:

Tonio, the opinion I expressed about Huckabee's comment was entirely my own.
(Incidentally, show me a politician who has never pandered!)
The Christians you refer to are certainly not among MY Christian acquaintances, and represent a small minority.
Obviously, you are more familiar with "attempts to force religion on public school students by teaching creationism as science" than I. It's news to me.
I was interested, btw, to hear Mike Huckabee say on Tyra Banks' show that he supported the teaching of the theory of evolution in the classroom, and felt that religion was to be taught in the home, not in school.

Tonio:

"Huckabee's words were designed for dramatic effect, to impact the Christian conservative base."

Bethidee, has Huckabee offered that defense himself, or is that your own conclusion? If it's the former, I would be disappointed because that would mean Huckabee was engaging in Romney-style pandering.

"Do you really believe there are Christians in America who would support a theocracy? Really?"

Yes! Not necessarily de jure theocracy, but certainly de facto theocracy. Look at the attempts to force religion on public school students by teaching creationism as science. Look at how the Air Force Academy was turned into a Jesus Camp a few years ago.

agathodemon:

Bethidee:

Google Christian Dominionist to see that there are indeed people who think that we need a religious basis for our government. D. James Kennedy [Coral Ridge Ministries] has for years been calling for Christians to reclaim America for Christ. They are not mainstream, and I am not claiming that mainstream Christians support the idea of theocracy, just that Huckabee's statement resonate with people who believe that our government is too secular. I also understand that Christians can extract the good parts and ignore the bad parts of Christianity. This is fine with me, but seems somewhat intellectually dishonest because what criteria is used to decide what is good or bad.

Nancy:

'A person is free to make choices in our society, and so long as it does not actively harm another, it is not the place of the state to litigate those choices.'


I'm responding to someone's quote above. About abortion, do you think the unborn child feels pain when he is aborted? The movie, "The Silent Scream," leaves no doubt that the child feels pain. (The movie was filmed by an abortionist, who, after seeing it for himself, stopped doing abortions.)We treat ANIMALS better than we treat unborn human beings.

We need to stop abortion! The time to "choose" is whether to have sex or not! Come on guys and gals, we're not animals. We can control our passions. Let's take the high road.

bethidee:

"These people do believe that there should be no secular government and that man's law can never legitimately conflict with god's."

Interesting to note that you're describing fundamentalist Islamic regimes. Do you really believe there are Christians in America who would support a theocracy? Really?

bethidee:

Of COURSE you can be moral/ethical without religion!
Look, Agathodemon, I was raised Christian, and I embrace all the goodness I think Jesus intended to teach: universal love, forgiveness, helping the less fortunate. I do not embrace the judgemental attitude some Christian denominations espouse.
Not all of the "religious" are like your stereotype. In addition, we respect others' points of view- to do any less IS un-Christian.

Anonymous:

Bethidee:

We agree Huckabee would probably agree with us, but the words themselves pander to the religiously motivated. These people do believe that there should be no secular government and that man's law can never legitimately conflict with god's.

bethidee:

"There should never be an explicitly religious reason for modifying a secular document."

I agree with you. I'm not arguing that. Truth is, I think Mike Huckabee would agree with that.

Errol,
It's quite a stretch to say that Hitler and Stalin were products of Christian culture and religion. They are better defined as products of evil; mental illness, even...but not Christianity.
People have been persecuting people since the beginning of time. I don't think Christians have the market cornered.

agathodemon:

Errol:

I too am so tired of this argument. It is basically the "you can't be moral/ethical without religion." This basic contention is just plain false. It is usually the religious who hammer the secularists with this, not the other way around. It doesn't matter how many times the falseness of the contention is pointed out, the religious use this as a mantra.

Errol:

"Please don't drag out that old argument about how more people have been killed in the name of Christianity, etc.- it's a fallacy. Millions more people have died through atheistic regimes like Stalin's and Hitler's than have EVER died in the name of Christianty."

If you grew up as a non-Christian in this country, you would understand why one would not want a right wing fundamentalist (I did not say generic evangelical) as president. And then there is European Christian history
Hitler and Stalin were products of Christian culture and religion and Christianity can not entirely disown responsibility for what they did. Before them there was widespread persecution and killing of so called heretics, Jews, and Christian sub-sects, homosexuals, Gypsies, etc. I call that a scary heritage. Not very pro-life.

agathodemon:

Bethidee:

I'm sure that he would. I'm not so much concerned with Huckabee, as with those who resonated with the statement as given. Whether it was his intent [and I believe that it was] to imply that the justification for the two Constitutional Amendments was religious. There should never be an explicitly religious reason for modifying a secular document. Sometimes the justifications might be parallel, but we should never, ever seek to bring the Constitution into alignment with god's law. And we should never attempt to mobilize support with such an unamerican idea. There are plenty of Christian Dominionists for whom this would mean just that.

bethidee:

Agathodemon, I get what you're saying...and frankly, I'd bet Mike Huckabee would re-word his statement with a bit less rhetoric, given the chance.
If you need to take it that literally, so be it- I simply believe with all my heart that it was not meant to be interpreted so broadly.

agathodemon:

Bethidee:

I understand the Huckabee's statement was mostly [I hope] for rhetorical effect, especially given the almost single minded focus that the Religious Right place on the two issues. However, since the stated justification was that god's law is superior to man's [I don't think I'm reading that into the statement], I wanted to know which other laws should be reviewed under this criteria? Using god's law as a criteria, slavery would never have been ended. I think it is the idea that the constitution needs to be in line with god's law that concerns the secularists amongst us. All his other ideas may or may not be good, but the justification that he gave as a reason makes him forever [in my opinion] unsuitable for public office.

Why you folks scare the rest of us::

After WW3, Huckabee would be the President of the States. By that time there would be no more liberal states coz God has wiped them off the earth already.

I suggest that He keeps on trying till that day happens coz it's coming soon.

Speak for yourself:

"Dont we all go to Church, we all believe in God, most of us believe in the Bible."
No, no and no.

bethidee:

Agathodemon-
No. I don't believe there are other issues to merit Constitutional amendment.
Huckabee's words were designed for dramatic effect, to impact the Christian conservative base. I believe they have been greatly misinterpreted and exaggerated into a theocratic threat that never did, and never would, exist.
Again: many who are pro-choice and at most, unconcerned with gay marriage supported Huckabee because of his plans for the economy, illegal immigration, the FairTax, border security, energy independence, and transparency in government spending.
The guy has some great ideas. It is unfortunate that people only see the ex-preacher, and not the former governor.

agathodemon:

Just a question for the Huckabee supporters. I realize that when he made the famous "amend the Constitution" statement, he was talking about abortion and same-sex marriage. It is the reason for promoting the change that gets people upset. To bring the Constitution into accordance with god's law. Besides those two issues, are there any others that you believe should be brought into accordance with god's law? And which god's law? Canon Law of the Roman Catholic church, Shariah, etc? How do we choose which yardstick to apply for Constitutional law?

Angela:

I was very glad Huckabee stayed around as long as he did. What a wonderful man! I felt that there was someone who was out there that understood how millions of us feel (may not say). He stood his ground even in the midst of being mocked and called everything under the sun. And to those who believe conservatives and evangelicals are few, your misguided in your belief.

God Bless Mr. Huckabee for standing up for truth and not being ashamed of the Gospel.

God Bless You; See you at the Celestial City...

NP:

spiderman2, how many pipe bombs can you make in a week these days? Or do you prefer the anonymous anthrax mailing?

Anthrax for God, hey spidey, there's a book you can write.

sam:

i'll vote for mccain if mike is vp

Paganplace:

" spiderman2:

"Why would China who's a godless nation ban gay marriage?"


Cause repressed gays might dress in tights and sublimate their sexuality to a controllable, unquestioned insanity or three? :)

That's just off the cuff, there. :)

Paganplace:

I mean, Spidey...

pardon me for growing up in America or something but, when you say this for Christ:

"After WW3, Huckabee would be the President of the States. By that time there would be no more liberal states coz God has wiped them off the earth already.

I suggest that He keeps on trying till that day happens coz it's coming soon"

...Well, it confuses me. Cause I always thought that those who wanted to nuke Hoboken and everyone in it so the world can end were the *bad* guys.


Maybe you can elucidate, here.

Paganplace:

Ummm, Spiderman?

Who's the good guys in your world, again?

I keep losing track.

chasemonster:


It was obvious that God changed His mind after Iowa and no longer wanted Huckabee to win.
But Huckabee refused to listen to God.
Instead, he committed blasphemy by continuing on with his campaign in complete defiance of God's wishes.

NP:

Hey, that's a good idea. Let's follow the Chinese, they sure know how to run a government by the people and for the people.

Really Spidey, you should avoid the thinking stuff. Every time you open your mouth you remove all doubt.

spiderman2:

Why would China who's a godless nation ban gay marriage? Liberals should think about that.

Sodom and Gomorah was set as an example for future generation to learn from. Fools don't learn, do they?

Does that mean communists are wiser than liberal secularists? I think so

Oort:

God isn't upholding and defending the constitution, we are. You hate their lifestyles, what does that hate do for you? Hate is hate, how many of you are able to tell the difference between hating the lifestyle and just hating them?

Why not just ignore them, that's what I do. I am untroubled by their existence. I do not hate them or their lifestyles since it never enters my consciousness. So I don't do anything to impede their lives.

You and those who feel as you feel will.

It seems that many of you are far too willing to refuse them their place in our society because of this hatred. You modify our constitution to suit your hatred, who are you going to hate next? Who's next on the list?

Hate as a motive for defining government policy, I just don't like that.

Maria:

OORT...we don't hate people for instance gays, but we hate their lifestyles. God loves the sinners but hate their sins.

Maria:

If McCain or Obama wins, he will deal with Israeli-Palestinian conflict [it's really bad right now], Venezuela and Colombia? and Iraq and a lot more. Americans will test the ability of their war hero when times come.

Maria:

I will vote for McCain if Huckabee is his Vice President.

Anonymous:

Paganplace- try this- we are scared of what people who say they are christians have done. we are also scared of what people who say they aren't christians have done.
it doesn't really matter.
i think christians get branded a certain way, and that's wrong. just like muslims get branded, and that's wrong.
however if you do look at it objectively as a whole, true christianity has done a lot more good in this world than bad. if you look at the whole.

James: i am sorry but you are wrong. huck actually did get tons of votes from non-evangelicals. he got the most votes from conservatives, just as mccain got the more liberal or moderate votes.

and even tho he's out, as a tradition, here it is: GO MIKE!!!!

Maria:

I believe God chose Huckabee as a candidate, but God did not make Americans robots,He gave them freedom to choose.But they chose wrong candidates.
And now, three democrats are competing each other.Americans chose darkness rather than light.

spiderman2:

After WW3, Huckabee would be the President of the States. By that time there would be no more liberal states coz God has wiped them off the earth already.

I suggest that He keeps on trying till that day happens coz it's coming soon.

Paved:

Don't care if Huckabee is vice president, or not. I expect we're going to see him on TV somewhere though, making a good living being a personality.

I do expect a McCain-Huckabee ticket would not win McCain any voters he wouldn't already get, but might alienate the independents to a degree that would not be helpful him.

EuropeanTraveler:

Bethidee:
We can try!! :)

bethidee:

European Traveler,
My answer is yes, though I seriously doubt we can influence McCain to choose Huckabee through a petition.
But, I'd gladly sign one if properly worded.

EuropeanTraveler:

To Those who supported Mike Huckabee:
I am a Huckabee Ranger who has supported Mike financially and assisted in a number of other ways-working hours at end (gladly!!) for his campaign.
My question to all of you is this:

Would you vote for McCain if Huckabee was his running mate? If so, would you support a petition calling for McCain to name him as such?

Paved:

bethidee you have a good point. The feminists tried to get the ERA passed for years, they even modified the rules to extend the period needed to have it ratified but it still failed.

Amending the constitution is a difficult thing to do, of course it was designed that way.

Huckabee's desire to amend the constitution to fall inline with his perceptions of God's will is a statement of intent. He has motive, he has intent, what other kinds of Christian Law will he enact and enforce that do not require a constitutional amendment?

What will happen when he chooses to press for issues which are denominational in nature, one side being for and one against?

We can see the ugly battle going on now between Hillary and Obama, two supposed supporters of the same side tearing each other's throats to win. What will happen when southern baptist Huckabee tries to force a Christian Law opposed by the Catholics, the Lutherans, the Jews?

I fear him for the reasons I stated, he will pave a road to a hell in America with his good intentions.

bethidee: