There are good people who believe in all sorts of gods or no god. Why are atheists so threatening to so many Americans that the only way to deal with our arguments is to demonize us as human beings?
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There is EVIDENCE, logical PROOF that an Intelligent Designer is responsible for all features of life today.
Complex, intelligent, purposeful systems that reflect the intellect of that designer himself. There are numerous court cases that have gone to trial where all of the evidence is circumstantial. Perhaps no body has been found. Still, today's technology now allows trace evidences and other signs to give very convincing testimony that a crime was committed.
Juries have been thoroughly and unitedly and fully convinced to convict criminals based on such outside, circumstantial evidence exclusively. Likewise then, there are numerous "evidences" that all life arrived due to the hand of a Master Designer.
The complexity and uniformity, the order and structure, the harmony of system after system, feature after feature, from the smallest molecules to the incredible living breathing life forces surrounding us all, to the incredibly complex earth where so many systems are just perfectly balanced all working together to allow life to exist are evidences to me that somebody surely must be responsible. The far more complex, far more powerful and awe inspiring universe with star after star, planet after planet solar system after solar system all beautifully organized, with inconceivable, unimaginable amounts of power and energy, give further testimony, in my mind, that these things did not just "happen" through some unguided series of accidents. Just some fortuitous combination of circumstances. A blind fluke of good fortune?
As Einstein astutely stated, "God does not play dice with the universe". So though we cannot see God, we can see EVIDENCE that he does indeed exist. Just as we cannot see our own brains or gravity, or oxygen etc... the evidence that these things are nonetheless real is overwhelming. For myself then, evidence that God exists is even more powerful. The evidence supports this belief for me.
After an examination of much evidence, I am 100 percent certain that these things surrounding us are the result of a Superior Designer. In my mind and in my sincere opinion God DOES exist.
And He is responsible for my being here right now. I owe him the gratitude he so deserves. I thank him for letting me live and exist. Sure I am also here because my mother and father married, had intimate relations and I was born. But that PROCESS in itself is so complex, such an outstanding system of design that, for me, the credit rightfully goes to the Creator himself.
This is why HE deserves the credit; my parents had me because a masterful designer created this process called REPRODUCTION. In fact there was very little on their part, to be truthful. He is worthy of worship in my mind. My questions as to how life arose are answered.
Now atheists, Please tell those following this thread just how these very complicated systems in the universe and the earth, along with all life forms upon the earth ORIGINATED. Just how did they START? If Science cannot create life, from non-living matter, in a controlled, scientific environment, nor give life BACK to a dead person or animal (though having all the parts needed right in front of them), then how could all these very things come to exist without ANY intellectual force behind them at all? Just FELL into place?
BWAAAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAH
It has never been done ANYWHERE. Yet you want to just chalk up all these complex, massive, amazing features surrounding us today, up to just blind series of chances?
Sure, there is a red corvette just sitting in North Dakota somewhere too..
Sorry. But I am Not buying what you are selling ATHEISTS.
YOU ARE DEAD IN WATER ATHEISTS.
ONCE AGAIN.
NOTHING NEW.
****** THERE, MEMORY REFRESHED GERRY?
GOOD!
October 18, 2007 5:06 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 18, 2007 05:06
Spanktime for Jerry!
Gerry says: Hi, kindergarten Vinny with the red Chevy, you deftly avoided the question who caused the cause, while screaming about the necessity of causes.
***** Poor Gerry, must have forgot to find his READING GLASSES. Because the question was answered in detail.
And sorry gerry, but there was no screaming here. Plenty of laughing though.
You know why there is plenty nof laughing, Gerry?
Because atheist teachings that all things arose from nothing by nobody into complex and amazing things IS LAUGHABLE AND BORING NONSENSE.
Poor Gerry, calls Vinny a kindergardner, but Gerry has no answers to vinny the kindergardner's many arguments that are plastered all over this thread.
: ))
Gerry says:..."I am a VERY happy atheist, laughing mao about stomping children like you."
**** The only thing stomped on this thread were those sorry, lame atheist teachings. Ducky was buried so deep he could not be found with shovels and bull dozers.
Mr Mark did the three step need to play with my kids out the door shuffle the first chance he had.
Suzie Jacoby was a NO-SHOW ON HER OWN THREAD.
And Gerry has no content posted ANYWHERE ON THIS THREAD.
Gerry, you are just blowing smoke like all the other atheists here that skipped town.
That would be because they have no explanations as to just how complex things arise from nothing BY NOBODY.
And we all know why.
Because all things from nothing are embarrassments that always bury the poor little atheists.
Sorry Gerry, but you are one very lame debater here.
Saying that you are a happy atheist, with no content at all, just does not cut it here.
Which is why every now and then I show back up just to give the little atheists a large dose of reality.
And then the same thing happens every single time.
And just what is that Gerry, that happens every single time?
When the going gets tough, the atheists run and HIDE...
Poor little atheists.
Folks you just gotta love the poor little atheists like Gerry with no content and no answers to any questions.
This has just been too easy.
The ride has been fun though.
Guess I will have to find other threads to play "lets bury the atheists".
And watch how fast they GET OUT OF DODGE ONCE VINNY SHOWS UP.
Folks, you just gotta love the poor little atheists.
October 18, 2007 4:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 18, 2007 04:57
Hi, kindergarten Vinny with the red Chevy,
you deftly avoided the question who caused the cause, while screaming about the necessity of causes. Ridiculous. God, the sorry proxy for your ignorance. Stomped your foot, screamed and shouted insults. Exactly what you would expect from a small, superstitious boy.
I am a VERY happy atheist, laughing mao about stomping children like you.
You should read a book once in a while. Dennett is too difficult for you, though.
October 17, 2007 5:18 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 17, 2007 05:18
I see this thread is still kicking... though barely....
Gerry the sorry, desperate atheist says:.Can something come from nothing? No? Is god nothing? No? If nothing can come from nothing, there are two options?
1. Somebody made god. But who made "somebody"? Who made the "somebody"-maker?
2. God is nothing. He doesn't exist outside our imagination, as a proxy for our (your) ignorance.
I doubt, though, that you can follow this argument...
**** This is such an old, sophomoric argument from the little atheists.
First of all, it is my personal belief that:
1- Everything which has a beginning has a cause. This an understood and accepted principle in human civilizations throughout the earth. If it had a beginn