All Comments (509)

H0nKLx U cool ))

st paul traveler insurance Run out of steam

traveler insurance Steal a march

cancer car donation Cobblers - A load of

cancer car donation Cobblers - A load of

traveler insurance phone number Turn up trumps

Hello! Quality content! Regards,

Susan,
As a life-long member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I enjoyed reading your comments until I got to the middle, where you abruptly stepped right into a major fallacy. You cherry-picked the most extreme behavior (a massacre?) and used it to generalize about an entire group of people. Furthermore, you then attributed that behavior to their religion, rather than any other causes. Essentially, what you're saying is that a religion is bad because some members of that religion have done bad things, that surely the reason they did those bad things was because they were a member of that religion, and that surely their bad behavior is typical of members of that religion. If you applied that same thinking everywhere, you could "prove" that all religions, groups, parties, nationalities, etc. are bad.

This is called "confirmation bias", and is a very common logical fallacy. If you approach a subject with a preconceived opinion, and seek out only evidence that supports your opinion, then you can "prove" absolutely any opinion, regardless of the underlying truth.

I suggest the following alternative, particularly when looking at a church, religion or any other belief system. What does the church really teach? (As opposed to what someone else says they teach) What behavior does it encourage or discourage? What are its adherents really like? What are the most faithful members like, versus the fringes? How does the church respond to misbehavior by its members?

Here are just a couple of brief Mormon scriptures addressing the concerns you raise.

Does the LDS church persecute other faiths? No.
Articles of Faith
"11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

Would the LDS church impose their faith on other people, if they could? No.
Doctrine & Covenants 134:9
"9. We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied."

Is the LDS Church part of the so-called "Christian Right"? No.
Church statement on Political Neutrality:
"The Church’s mission is to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, not to elect politicians. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is neutral in matters of party politics. This applies in all of the many nations in which it is established." (Check out the full statement at
http://www.lds.org/ldsnewsroom)

Does the LDS Church teach that men are superior to women, that a husband should dictate to his wife, or dominate her in any way? No.
Doctrine & Covenants 121:41-42
"41. No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;
42. By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile— "

What about the Mountain Meadows Massacre? http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/EmailArticleProcess?action=update&cmlId=114265&locale=0&emId=83671856

Do all members of the LDS Church practice their beliefs perfectly at all times? Obviously not.
I can attest to that directly, from my own efforts to better live up to what I believe.

There is lots more to say, but this post is long enough already. Don't be gullible by believing second-hand accounts and rumors about the Mormons or their beliefs. If you don't believe the Church's teachings, I respect that. But there is no need to mis-characterize the Church or its beliefs, or its members, when you can easily inform yourself better at www.lds.org.

Why not let the women decide? What about if some wome prefer to share one alpha male than being the only one for a loser?

m414k

"He beckons each one of us to lay aside ALL, and to Come Follow Me..."

AMEN! Including Gays, Anti-Mormons, Feminists, and even the worlds most brilliant literary critics, I might add!

Love ya!!

Neal

HJ,

I too will give you this one...

As to be in the Celestial Kingdom is to be in ZION.

And they were of one heart and one mind and they dwelt in righteousness.

It is really that simple and beautiful when we strip all the layers away and we become as the Savior.

He beckons each one of us to lay aside ALL, and to Come Follow Me...

Neal-

Just got home after a long day. Taught Seminary this morning and an Institute class.

You did a great job with our dear friends here. You are not nearly as stubborn as I am. Maybe I need the meds! They will surely agree with that statement. lol

But hey guys... at least I can admit it:-)

In all honesty, I make this point about the absolute fact that "there will be NO Mormons in the Celestial Kingdom" for a number of reasons.

The most important, at least to me personally, is to make the point that the Plan of Salvation is Universal.

It is not about gender, race, color, etc... It is about each individual child of God.

It is not about time or space, but about Priesthood authority and the absolute requirement that keys are the law that must be received in the flesh in order to return back into the presence of the Father.

It is about vicarious work that has been authorized to be performed for those who have died, AND as you stated and explained so beautifully in sections 76 and 137, for those who died without LAW.

It is about recognizing that Jesus Christ has authorized living prophets today through divine ordination the use of His Priesthood Power to administer all of the required keys unto salvation for the living and the dead.

It is about understanding that ALL men and women can Come Unto Christ through authorized Priesthood Authority in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints here upon the earth.

The name "Mormons" is a nickname here upon the earth.

The tag "latter-day-saints" pertains ONLY to this dispensation.

There will be absolutely no need to designate the government of the Priesthood as "The Church" in the spirit world.

In the Celestial Kingdom it will be known at The Church of the First Born.

Check out the new thread over at Otterson's. Chatting about law of consecration. could use you:-)
rtc

Actually, HJ, I'm wondering if there is allowance in the Celestial Kingdom for God/Goddess couples who have no desire to have children. Should we try it and see what kind of drama we could stir up up there? :)

SML
Since I am gay or asexual our offspring would have to be the result of Virgin Births.

Are you up to it?

Are there virgin births in the afterworld?

and will they be able to break a twenty?

HJ ~

I'd be your celestial companion anytime! Especially considering 1. I love your books (at least those I've read), 2. My current non-Mormon husband has no desire to attain the priesthood or celestial glory for himself, which means I'm SOL, and 3. You crack me up. I would love to laugh my way through my eternity of pregnancy. Oh, and 4. it's highly likely someone open like you just might actually mention me to our children, and allow them to pray to us both. Yesssss.

E-mail me to discuss. Here I thought I was gonna be a hundredth wife of some dude I don't know in the next life. You have no idea how relieved I am! My hope is renewed!!!

HJ:

Yes. I would agree.

The scripture said God would judge the intent of our hearts, among other things, and one can only assume some of those hearts had the darkest of intentions. It would be hard for me to imagine someone like Hitler qualifying to "move up".

I would expect Gandhi to take the express elevator straight to the top! :D

Neal

Thanks Neal

It does seem our differences are semantical, but perhaps also meaningful.

If i said
"all residents of the Celestial Kingdom will believe the same things about God and the plan that Mormons believe (largely because it is right in front of their eyes)
and will have gone through the sacraments that current Mormons go through, including temple ordinances"
would you then agree with me.

The residents of the Terrestrial Kingdom would presumably know what those folks up there in the Celestial Kingdom believe, and If I were one of them, I'd want to accept it and move up.

So, why will anyone (like Gandhi) stay down in the Terrestrial Kingdom? Cuz they weren't good enough on earht?

RTC:

Neal-

"May I just compliment you on the very intelligent, bold and articulate way in which you have run the gauntlet over the last few days here on this thread!"

Thanks Dude!

"I really hope you continue to blog here, but do so hope you come on over to Otterson's thread."

I'll check it out...

"Again, welcome aboard! By the way, these guys are actually quite stimulating, don't you think?'

Yes indeed! With the exception of a few anonymous "snipers" who drift in and out, I find these ladies and gentlemen to be most wonderful! So intelligent and well read! Quite refreshing...

Neal

HJ,

My only disagreement with you is using the term "Mormon". Clearly there will be people from the days of Moses, Adam, and others. Clearly there will be people from the time of Christ. The term "Mormon" is a recent one, and therefore a poor one to use in this context. It would be more accurate to say there will be no one there who is not a believer of and follower of the Gospel. Since we believe we understand the Gospel as fully as it has been given to us on this earth, then of course, those who would be in the Celetial Kingdom would have the same knowledge and understanding we do. "Demoninations" as we know them now will not exist.

Neal

Hi SML

yes, the MAIN reason for people to join the Church, and what "we" mean when we say the Church is "True", is that only through the agency of the God-authorized priesthood can one go through the sacraments needed to reach the hightest level of heaven, and thus have the Optimal Eternal Progression (be all that you can be in God's Army).

hey, why don't you leave that good for nothin husband of yours and run off with me.

I don't think the fact that I'm gay (if I am sexual at all) should be any detriment to our attaining eternal happiness in our marriage.

Neal thank you for your comments.

To add to that, Mormons are taught, you will go where you are comfortable. If you are wearing jeans and a t-shirt you are not going to be comfortable in a ball room where people are wearing formals. If you have not lived your life with service and compassion for others you will not be in a kingdom full of others that have lived that way.

No Neal,
there will NOT be Non-Mormons in the celestial kingdom.

There WILL be people who
were NOT mormons in this world
but who
accepted the Gospel in the next world and accepted the temple sacraments

and therefore BECAME Mormons in the next world.

That I agree with you on, within the context of one's accepting Mormon doctrine in the first place of course.

But ya gotta be a Mormon to get there, sooner or later.

HJ:

"Last sentence: one MUST be married in temple to get to highest level, and ONLY mormons can enter the temple and get married there.

Do you disagree that this is Mormon Doctrine?"

Yes and no. Marriage in the Temple can and is performed for the livind AND the dead (sealing). The majority of these dead people never heard of the Mormon Church in their lifetime, and many were born before the Church was even organized.

From D&C 138: Joseph F. Smith vision of the Redemption of the Dead

"32 Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
34 And ALL OTHER PRINCLIPLES OF THE GOSPEL that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. "

In addition, we have Joseph Smith's account of his vision on the Celestial Kingdom. Pay particular note to his mention of Alvin, his brother, who died before the events of the restoration and the formation of the Church. Notice also who Alvin is keeping company with in said kingdom.

D&C 137:

"5 I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept;
6 And marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he had departed this life before the Lord had set his hand to gather Israel the second time, and had not been baptized for the remission of sins.
7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, WHO WOULD HAVE RECEIVED IT if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts. "

So, for members of the Church who understand the principles of the Gospel, they are indeed required and expected to fulfill those commandments and live those laws. Those who did not have the opportunity will be afforded every opportunity to recieve the ordinances of the Gospel, including Baptism and Eternal Marriage, and will be judged by their knowledge, works, and "intent of their hearts"; God himself knowing what those are.

There will be plenty of non-Mormons in the Celetial Kingdom - including the highest levels, from what I understand of these scriptures. There will also be plenty of Mormons in the Telestial Kingdom.

Neal

HJ ~

Your information is sound. I learned just that growing up in the church, and I also taught it to my students in my Gospel Essentials class (the class for investigators).

If the Celestial Kingdom isn't for Mormons, then why the need for baptisms for the dead?

BTW
the 1966 ediction of Mormon Doctrine was approved by Prophet David O McKay
after revisions were made to the controversial 1950s ediction.

Mormon Doctrine on Celestial Kingdom

This from "Mormon Doctrine" by Apostle Bruce McConkie, 1966. Again, Neal and RTC, are you saying this is NOT Mormon Doctrine?

"The highest kingdom, the Celestial, is reserved for those who have been obedient to the LDS gospel and have, "gained complete obedience to gospel or celestial law" (Ibid, p. 116).

The Celestial Kingdom itself is divided into three categories. Those who are worth and have been married for time and all eternity in LDS temples can achieve celestial exaltation in the highest of the Celestial degrees and can become Gods (husbands) and Goddesses (wives). In turn, they will rule and reign over their own new earth. They will procreate millions of new spirit children who will populate this new planet and the whole Law of Progression begins again (Ibid, p. 321-22).

Neal and RTC

Here is a one paragraph summary of what I was taught as a Mormon:
The LDS Church teaches that at the end of the world everyone will be resurrected. They also believe that almost everyone will go to heaven, which is divided up into three main levels. Bad people go to the lowest, the Telestial Kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 76:81-86). Good people, who were not Mormons, will go to the middle level, the Terrestrial Kingdom (D&C 76:71-79). Mormons will go to the highest level, the Celestial Kingdom (D&C 76:50-70). However, only those who merit the highest part of the Celestial Kingdom will have Eternal Life [the ability to live in a marriage relationship and continue to beget children—see D&C 132:20-24, also see Mormons Hope to Become Gods of Their Own Worlds]. All others have immortality [which is defined as the ability to live forever in a single condition, not married and no future children] but do not have Eternal Life. One must be married in the LDS temple and then obey all of the Mormon regulations to get to the highest degree of heaven. "

Last sentence: one MUST be married in temple to get to highest level, and ONLY mormons can enter the temple and get married there.

Do you disagree that this is Mormon Doctrine?

Concerned Do you have a brain? I can't see it, so there for It must not exsist.

One day, a 6 year old girl was sitting in a classroom.

The Teacher was explaining evolution to the children.

The Teacher asked a little boy:

TEACHER: Tommy do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Tommy, do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

TEACHER: Go outside and look up and see if you can see the sky.

TOMMY: Okay. (He returned a few minutes later) Yes, I saw the sky.

TEACHER: Did you see GOD?

TOMMY: No.

TEACHER: That's my point. We can't see GOD because HE isn't there. HE just doesn't exist.

A little girl spoke up wanting to ask the boy some questions. The Teacher agreed.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy, do you see the tree outside?

TOMMY: Yes.

LITTLE GIRL: Tommy do you see the grass outside?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL: Did you see the sky?

TOMMY: Yessssss!

LITTLE GIRL; Tommy, do you see the Teacher?

TOMMY: Yes

LITTLE GIRL: Do you see her brain?

TOMMY: No

LITTLE GIRL: Then according to what we were taught today, she doesn't have one...........

II CORINTHIANS 5:7 " FOR WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT "

Concerned: "Mormonism will slowly fade from society"

Others thought Mormonism would go when Joseph Smith died, they thought they would fade when driven from Missouri, they thought they would fade when driven from Illinois, they thought they would be gone by now and they are still around. So if it is going to fade, it will not happen in your lifetime.

To reiterate for the benefit of the new "bloggers":

Mormonism will slowly fade from society as will contemporary Christianity and Islam because of the obvious problems with the founders of these religions especially their angelic/satanic hallucinations and related prophecies. "Pretty and ugly wingie thingies" simply do/did not exist. Associating the Singularity with these mythical assistants and opponents mocks the concept of God the Almighty.

The Good Words were articulated via reason and common sense by the ancients. These Words of Wisdom were simply repeated with each major race and religion. Unfortunately the Words were attributed to embellished men in most cases as a means of profiteering as noted by the contemporary billions of dollars owned and controlled by the Mormon, Christian, Jewish and Moslem religions. It is time to get our money back!!!!!

Our name is Legion, for we are many."

"Betty Henry James"

My dear old friend... have we not been the rounds on this before?

You make the same comments, arriving at the very same conclusions.

You pose the same questions and receive the same answers.

As I have said before... there will be NO Mormons in the Celestial Kingdom!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints is upon the earth to administer the saving ordinances that are required by all of God's children so that they may enter back into His presence.

These must be received while in the flesh, thus vicarious work for those who have passed on and have NOT received them while living. It is that simple. They may reject or receive them as they choose.

Those who did not have an opportunity to hear the gospel in this life to their complete understanding, as well as those not at all, will have that opportunity in the spirit world.

They will NOT go to the mormon church in heaven... They will be taught by those who are authorized by Jesus Christ and who hold the Priesthood.

It is the order of the Priesthood that will govern that which is in the spirit world. Not the MOOOOh-mons.

Haven't we discussed this?

Neal - "They" are having fun with you:-)

rtc

K I understand

Emily,

Ambiguity is the price of awareness, whether one is an atheist, theist or somewhere in between.

Congadulations on having the awareness to recognize it and courage to live in it.

Regards,

JD1

"Tonio I never "claim (my religion) as more "truthful" than the others" I you would read closer and be less judgmental. I never said my religion is right and yours is wrong. Reread what I have said!"

DTS, I wasn't responding specifically to any of your posts, and I apologize that it came across that way. I was talking about the general concept of evangelism.

Henry Henry Henry

"And, Mormon Doctrine CLEARLY states that one MUST be baptized (and sealed in the temple) to achieve the Celestial Kingdom. One might say it is the entire RAISON D'ETRE for the Mormon Church. Yes, non mormors will be in the Telestial/Terrestrial two star hotels, but not at the top. No Gandhi there."

You missed the mark on this one. That simply is NOT true. One of the main purposes of the Temple is to provide those ordinances for individuals who did not / could not recieve them in this life. If they accept the Gospel, they can have all those blessings afforded to them and qualify for Exhaltation.

Neal

EMILY -

Here is something to think about when pondering our different roles as men and women...

Heavenly Father's Plan is that... Women are co-creators and givers of life through the sacrifice of her own life-giving blood in giving birth to children here in MORTALITY, but death comes upon her children eventually... (and think about how a woman remembers this part of herself continually IF she realizes her role? In the Old Testament Women were put away during this time until they were cleansed... beautiful symbolism)

The other part of His Plan... because of Him authorizing priesthood authority to MEN, they also are givers of life through administering the saving ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ, that through the sacrifice of His atoning blood all mankind may be saved from that awful monster death and hell.
(men must keep themselves clean in order to be considered a worthy vessel of the priesthood...)

All men and women will be resurrected from the graves of mortality to be reunited with their bodies for eternity.

Those who accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Redeemer may receive eternal life through the cleansing power of the atonement.

The Plan of our Heavenly Father is beautifully laid out and both male and female have important roles in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal lives of their own children here upon the earth.

Hope to see you over at Otterson's thread in the future:-)
rtc

Neal-

May I just compliment you on the very intelligent, bold and articulate way in which you have run the gauntlet over the last few days here on this thread!

I myself have a little experience dealing with these rascals. lol And particularly upon the topic of homosexuality in the church. WHOA!

If you want a sampling, just take a look at the past thread that involved this very subject. Yikes. These folks love to nest here at On Faith, as it is soooo cozy.

Although, they usually hang out over with Michael Otterson. I suppose the attention here with Jacoby was too much to resist?

Who can blame them, her thread has been hotter than Otterson's this week.

I really hope you continue to blog here, but do so hope you come on over to Otterson's thread.

Again, welcome aboard! By the way, these guys are actually quite stimulating, don't you think?
rtc

Hi Emily ~

Thanks for the answer. It's a real conundrum, no?

Thanks, P. *Grin* at you too.

And I thought YOU were the one into rockin' on...

Hi Sister Mary Lisa,

You asked, "If salvation is the same for men and women, then why are the differences between men and women celebrated within the LDS Gospel now? Why are our roles here so very different if salvation is to be the same for us?"

I've asked myself those questions many times, and I don't know what the answers are. I am just taking God's word for it that he means me as well as my brothers when I read "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs of Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." (Romans 8:16-17). I think thoughtful believers have to tolerate some paradox and ambiguity to keep their faith. For me the reasons to believe outweigh the reasons not to, but I can understand why the balance tips in the other direction for some people.

Tonio:

Well-timed point, there. It reminds me of a story involving a young Zen monk who approaches his master and asks; "Master, please tell me what happens after we die." The master pauses briefly before replying, " How would I know this?" The young monk says, "But, you are a great master." The master smiles slightly and says, "Yes. But, not a dead one."

I look on that as the only possible reply, if one is truly honest.

And SML:

I agree with Anon. Rock on Sister!

OOPS AGAIN not I you but IF YOU

OOPS did not mean to post 2X! I just wanted SML at the first. :o}

Tonio I never "claim (my religion) as more "truthful" than the others" I you would read closer and be less judgmental. I never said my religion is right and yours is wrong. Reread what I have said!

SML I would like to think that I am living my life here to be as Christ like as I possibly can be. I would like to believe that God is a merciful God. If I am living my life the best I can and in the next life I have not belonged to the right church, when presented with the correct plan, I will have the knowledge and understanding to accept it. My wish is that everyone lived with this belief, however I know that, that will never happen.

I would like to think that I am living my life here to be as Christ like as I possibly can be. I would like to believe that God is a merciful God. If I am living my life the best I can and in the next life I have not belonged to the right church, when presented with the correct plan, I will have the knowledge and understanding to accept it. My wish is that everyone lived with this belief, however I know that, that will never happen.

A serious comment: it seems pointless to me to debate the various claims about truth after death. Since no living person knows what that truth is, all claims about it are on an equal footing. I can think of no reason to treat one claim as more "truthful" than the others.

Two non-serious comments: first, I loved the Hank's story at the link that E Favorite provided; and second, happiness is NOT a warm metaphysical gun.

Hey Anon ~

*Grin* Thanks. Same backatcha.

Hey Mary Lisa,

Your stubborness is the stance of any intelligent person with a healthy regard for accuracy in their beliefs, when confronted with superstitious nonsense at the point of a metaphysical gun.

Rock on Sister.

Hiya DTS ~

I am stubborn! :) Obviously. I'm saying that if people leave this life for the next with the knowledge they gained here (as we are taught in the LDS church), then it is highly likely that the same attitudes/openness/opinions will very likely hinder some people's acceptance of "truth" if the missionary method is used in the Spirit World as it is here, especially if they are still of the belief that their religion of choice on Earth was the true one.

IF the Mormon church is true, and this is God's method of allowing for the salvation of his children in the next life, there is a lot of room for souls to fall through the cracks this way, in my (stubborn) opinion.

sml so you are saying that you are so stubborn that if the true religion is only on some remote island and you have never heard of it, in the next life you will decline it?

DTS ~

I was referring to those righteous souls who believe on Earth that their NON-LDS religion is the true one. Just because a missionary in the next life says the LDS gospel is true won't be an automatically easy reason for those people to accept the baptism made on their behalf in the temple, as you seemed to suggest.

Why would any god powerful enough to make absolutely everything, require such silly metaphysical contortions as baptism for the dead, or need any female deity by whom to reproduce little potential versions of himself? Why would this god need to entrust his 19th century course correction to a teenage treasure hunter in upstate NY? Why would such a figure decide that he needed to produce a book of history containing a set of rules, and then perform the task so poorly from a literary perspective that he would not even pass an upper level composition course? After deciding He deserved an "incomplete" with the OT, HE tried again with the NT, then, still not getting it quite right, release part trois in the form of a science fiction tale? Why would he endorse genocide, taunt parents with orders to commit infanticide, encourage slavery, then change his mind later, endorse polygamy, only to reverse course later, endorse racial preferences as to whom can act in His name, only to, yet again, say "whoops" when the heat gets turned up?

Good grief people.

You obviously have heard about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints here on earth and your opinion is that it is wrong, so if it is the truth than I am sure that you will decline it in the next life. But people who have never heard of it will have an opportunity to accept it or decline it.

I said what ever the truth is in the next life, people who have live right will accept it. If you have not yet heard of the truth here on the earth and you live right here, Don't you think you will accept the truth no matter which religion has the whole truth?

Emily ~

Hi again...I noticed you also wrote, "Salvation is the same for women and men, and blessings promised to each are the same."

If salvation is the same for men and women, then why are the differences between men and women celebrated within the LDS Gospel now? Why are our roles here so very different if salvation is to be the same for us?

E Favorite-

"Hank" was hilarious! Thanks for the link. (I confess, I've been violating the wiener law for years. Guess I better repent, huh?)

DTS ~

I was taught that we would enter the next life with the knowledge we gained in this life only. I was taught that there would be LDS missionaries in the Spirit World, teaching spirits just as they did on Earth. So do you think that people who were not raised LDS on Earth will automatically accept the "truth" of the LDS Gospel easier there than here, even if they believed their own religion was the truth on Earth? If so, why?

Let me add to that, Of course within the boundary of the law! If a person is the best murderer he can be that would not fall in that category! I am meaning what ever religion a person is.

I think if we all live to the best potential of what ever we believe, we will accept what ever the truth is in the next life. The Pope, Einstein and Freud and the Dalai Lama and Gandhi you and I and......)

Neal Neal Neal Neal Neal

No, Gandhi and I don't believe the Bible is the word of God. We have no desire to be Christians.

It is the height of (something) to think that Christians know the Only Truth: that Jesus is the Only Way. Or in fact, that GOD is the only way.

I agree that Baptism for the Dead makes sense IF you accept the base assumptions of Mormonism. But no one but Mormons DO accept them. Certainly not Jews whose relatives died in the holocaust.

And, Mormon Doctrine CLEARLY states that one MUST be baptized (and sealed in the temple) to achieve the Celestial Kingdom. One might say it is the entire RAISON D'ETRE for the Mormon Church. Yes, non mormors will be in the Telestial/Terrestrial two star hotels, but not at the top. No Gandhi there.

That is part of the shell game for Gays: to achieve your greatest potential i