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TO ANONYMOUS:

If you are trying to say something, why don't you just say it?

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Thomas Paul Moses Baum said "God always sends a messenger, well here I am. I did not ask to be me but God chose me to be me, the New Testament Moses.

The words of Job
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

"sons of God came" "and Satan came also among them"

Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

"the sons of God came" "and Satan came also among them"

The Law in the Psalms
Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

"sons of God came" "and Satan came also among them"
"Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand"

Thomas Paul Moses Baum "God always sends a messenger, well here I am."
Paul wrote, "For some are already turned aside after Satan."

TO BGONE AND THE REST OF HUMANITY:

Actually, in a way you could say that I did not find God but God the Father, the First Person of the Trinity came into my heart. Actually, I did not find the Holy Spirit either, the Third Person of the Trinity came into my body. Actually you could also say that I did not find Jesus either, God-Incarnate, the Second Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit revealed to me that Jesus is the Eucharist, our Spiritual Food for our earthly journey.

So it was more like God found me, the lost one. The prodical son has woke up and now I am doing the job that God gave to me. I used to call it my job but now I call it Our Job, God's and mine.

As Jesus said, "Take My yoke upon you", as you may or may not know a yoke is that contraption between two work animals that is used for them to work together. I know that I can't do the job given to me, alone, but I don't have to. Jesus also said, "I will send the Holy Spirit to guide you into all Truth", and I am also most appreciative of that.

One of the biggest misconceptions of hell is that it is some kind of monolithic place that either God or satan sends you to, well that is wrong, if anyone dies and wakes up in hell, the realization that you built it yourself and have no one but yourself to blame will be overwelming.

As you may have heard, whether you believe it or not, Jesus Himself went to hell when He took all of the sins of all of the people of all time upon Himself by His own choice, part of God's Plan, I would say that was pretty nice of Him and also that is how He won the keys to hell and He will use them in due time.

Repenting is taking responsibility for what we have done wrong, God knew that not all people would repent that is why He came up with a plan that is for everyone to be in the Kingdom.

If God's Kingdom wasn't ultimately for everyone but just for those that repent when still alive then He could have just yelled that out of heaven instead of going thru everything that He did, by His own choice.

God is not the crud-ball that so many people that have the audacity to call themselves "christian" think that He is.

We have free will and we are responsible for what we do whether we take responsiblity or not, that is why I say that it is important what we do and why we do it and also what we know.

Sometimes the simplicity of it throws people off, remember God said, "I will send the simple to confound the wise". Some people that don't believe in God repent and might not even realize it and some people that believe in God don't repent because they think knowing God's Name is more important than what they do, remember even the demons know who Jesus Is.

God is not the egomaniac that some people seem to think that He Is. God's Plan is for all of His People to be in the Kingdom and all people are God's People.

I would also like to repeat that the True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack there of. God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable.

In case anyone is wondering, yes the wrath of God is coming upon the whole world, be ready. I look at the wrath of God as the chastisement of God, and God chastises those He loves which is everyone since He is Love.

Another thing, whether anyone believes that satan is real or not, he is, and he is very upset but that is his problem.

God always sends a messenger, well here I am. I did not ask to be me but God chose me to be me, the New Testament Moses.

Take care, be ready, see you in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Thomas Baum:

Did you find God all by yourself or did Lucifer's representatives, the ministry give you a little help? You're not claiming to know something that you only believe, have faith in are you? That's a violation of the 11th commandment - Thou shalt not believe thy own lies.

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul just in case that God you know "that is" just happens to be the same one found in the Bible. Lucifer is His name and getting suckers to faith Him to be God is His game.

You misspelled Satan. Always capitalize proper names and especially those of important beings.

Satan is a really important angel, the one that gives the lie detector test to decide who shall be sent on to stand before the great judgment seat of God and who shall be fed to the demon devil critter, Eater. Lying to self may be good practice for getting past Satan but you will fail the next test if you keep insisting that Lucifer is God.

It will be necessary for God to forgive you. I wouldn't count on it though. You can look at an 'official' picture, (photograph?) taken at the time the arc angel Michael put Lucifer and His followers into hell. Be real careful about just which supernatural being you faith to be God. See what happens to people who faith the wrong God?

I can only agree with you that there is a God. But which one of all those supernatural being is really God? One little mistake and straight to hell. Violations of the first commandment are violations of the worst commandment - "no strange Gods" is what it says.

Is there a stranger God than, "man on fire God"? OK let's take a vote. "Man getting hot-foot God" is a rather strange one too. Don't you think?

Time to get reconciled with the REAL God and start begging forgiveness for worshiping Lucifer and do it now. Of course all churches are 'palaces of Lucifer' so stay away from them, dead certain to lead you to hell. And avoid all big name ministers and ministers in general. The big money goes to them for their souls and it's paid by the suckers that worship their version of God, Lucifer.

Glad I could help.

TO YOYO:

I know there is a God and that God is a Trinity and that God is Love.

I also know that satan is real.

And I thank God that His Plan is for all of His people to be with Him in His Kingdom. By the way God's people are people, all people.

Just because some people know God's Name does not mean that they know anything else about Him.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

The last place to look for the truth about anything is in a religion.
Science doesn't harp on about the truth all the time.It doesn't have to because it's obvious to anyone that science is a continuous search for truth,and only the truth.Religion,on the other hand,is a pack of lies.
Religions grab hold of the word truth,and think if they keep using it all the time,it will magically become the truth. It works only for the deluded,the indoctrinated or the terrified.
As far as we know there is no god and no devil,no heaven and no hell.
Making up such things is what our forefathers did,all the time and everywhere.From Apollo to Thor to Shiva to Neptune;imagined gods everywhere,but in reality,nowhere.
We know better now,and its time to put aside such childish notions,and grow up.
Reality's all we really have.

What error we hold in our hearts. Punishment and torment happen because people allow them to.

Jesus said, " If those who lead you say to you, 'See the kingdom is in the sky,'
then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'it is in the sea,'
then the fish will precede you. Rather the kingdom is inside of you and it is outside of
you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the living sons of the Father. But if you will not know yourselves
you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

evil can only enter if you welcome it.

God Bless and Peace always. Matthew
www.PathofYeshua.net

Our Father who is the Heavens,Honorable is your name.
Your Kingdom come Your will be done, on earth as it is done in the Heavens.
Give Us this day Lord Jesus Christ our daily bread and Forgive us our trespasses,
as We Forgive those who trespass against us.
Lead us away from temptation and deliver us from evil, Heavenly Father.Amen

Forgive us our trespasses,as We Forgive those who trespass against us. Plain and simple
God Bless and Peace Always. Matthew

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To the reactors of what I sincerely wrote, my response is the salvific prayer of Jesus.
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What the world is crying out for is justice. That is the truth. The truth that will set us free.

You are made to face the reality of poverty and you say you are moved. What moved you? If it is not your sense of justice outraged, then it is superficial--and you react superficially. Indeed, it will be fleeting, tangential, and strives only for a wise-guy-retort. Or finds somebody, others, to do somethiing about it.

You are reminded that Jesus did not say, "Father forgive them." Period. No. Despite being in excruciating pain, he went on: "...for they know not what they do." A justification--a placing into the realm of justice his plea, the place where forgiveness may take place without denigrating righteousness. First justice must be rendered; then, mercy may be shared. Even the blind see this to be so.

Where you do not have justice, how can there be peace? Peace is a pre-condition of freedom; while in freedom's illuminating presence, truth is revealed.

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AJdelosReyes CA-USA:

You wrote, "Have you seen the starved people in the slums of the world, notably in Asia and Africa? By the millions, they "survive" eating less food in a month than an average American eats in a day or two. They literally, daily, eat garbage--for which they have to scamper and to fight each other to get! They sell parts of their bodies just to survive another week more. No, really, these are "truths"--since you speak so glowingly about "truth." Does your "truth" deal with these excruciating reality? If not, then it is deceptive."

I'm moved. Maybe we should teach those people how to do birth control. Homosexual females allowed to be themselves rarely get pregnant, only those forced into marriage so maybe we could encourage them to be gay. Gay blades or something like that and try to end those horrible messes.

Do they have governments? How do their leaders live?

You're not suggesting we send our garbage to them and cut the fighting at the garbage cans?

Maybe a few Mormon missionaries can introduce them to God. Sounds like it may be too late already for God. There is no escape from hell is there?

TO AJDELOSREYES CA USA:

You wrote, "And, by the way, this is the Salvific Prayer of Jesus: "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Unconditional forgiveness? Not! Not even from Jesus Christ.", are you really as blind as what you write?

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

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Psycho-bubble--a little bit of knowledge about psychology mixed with light-headed romantic notions of the affairs of humanity and mushy feelings of bleeding hearts. Resorted to willy-nilly, by those who refuse to face the fact that evil exists in the world, that there are victims of oppressions: tortured heroes and battered wives (and husbands too), abused children (and aged parents too), exploited groups of human beings, etc.

Have you seen the starved people in the slums of the world, notably in Asia and Africa? By the millions, they "survive" eating less food in a month than an average American eats in a day or two. They literally, daily, eat garbage--for which they have to scamper and to fight each other to get! They sell parts of their bodies just to survive another week more. No, really, these are "truths"--since you speak so glowingly about "truth." Does your "truth" deal with these excruciating reality? If not, then it is deceptive.

"The truth shall set you free"? Free from or for what? From some inane, self-centered pain or spoiled brat anguish? For the building up again of shattered silly pride, of absorbing self-imporatance? Of what, more precisely described, does this "truth" consists of? Of "forgiving" malefactors (the etymological meaning: "evil doers") as forgiving benefits the forgiven no less than the forgiving? Then where is justice? Or in your world, in your "truth," justice is synonymous with vengence? Then your "truth" is a lie.

What "truth" will set you free? Have you asked that question as you deliciously flirt with the esoteric of your meditations of the words, words, words of ancient sayings that may have had some vital importance to people at the time they were said or written but are critically wanting now in the present milieu, that thus you try to contort them to the shape of today's realities? Then it is pornographic and leads you to self-abuse.

And these "truth" that will set you free comes from God, you say, whom you define, perforce, as Almighty, All-knowing, All merciful or loving? How can the "truth" of such a God be embeded like gnats and beetles frozen in amber of so long ago? Can not such God speak afresh each new day? Is this "truth" impervious of evolving forces and events? Then how can it set you free TODAY, if it is itself locked up in bygone times? Or are you saying it will set you free by-and-by for your pie in the sky? Then your "truth" is a falsification being less than a mirage we see in highways of very hot and dry summer days that are caused by heat yet seemed to draw us near to watery spots, to springs and pools of water. So much for the "truth" that "forgiveness is the path to freedom". That is only a mirage.

The path to freedom is justice, be it for nations or for individuals. For there is but one spirit of Fredom, and that is Justice.

Do not in your pride pretend you can forgive--even Jesus, you call him Savior (as I do)--had to asked of Our Father for such. What we can viably strive to obtain for our world, what we can render to each other, is justice. That, is within our ken.

And, by the way, this is the Salvific Prayer of Jesus: "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." Unconditional forgiveness? Not! Not even from Jesus Christ.
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Forgiveness is a word often heard in church but hardly ever practiced by those in attendance. Makes sense. People go to church to be forgiven. In simple terms, people are forgivEES and not forgivers. The ones that are found thumping their Bibles at least. Do atheists ever forgive?

It's a matter of convenience. Very convenient to not forgive Reverend Haggard and go to church seeking forgiveness for worse things done. And the Bible is a treasure trove of slick passages to justify any position. To forgive or not forgive. That is the question.

When it's me that seeks forgiveness I can rely on, "vengeance is mine said the Lord God of Israel" so I'm not liable to have any vengeance done to me. The most liability I have, since I've been born again, already saved, I only require a new baptism or standing up and testifying. Maybe an extra hearty, "I believe." When it's time for me to forgive I can quote, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

Is that how it's taught at Chicago Theological Seminary? I know. You're training people for careers in the ministry where they can become rich like Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, the pope and many more big timers by selectively quoting from the Bible to satisfy the emotional needs of those both seeking forgiveness for themselves and refusing to forgive the slightest infraction of others.

You already know the Bible is a hoax. Will God forgive you or is it up to those who never forgive anything to forgive you for spreading it's venom, "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" claiming it's the absolute word of God? Putting words in God's mouth would seem to be dangerous. Nostradamus warned you this was coming.

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul at the Chicago Theological Seminary? Step one - do as Moses did and make a deal with Lucifer, at Chicago Theological Seminary or is that part just implied? True 3,000 years ago and still true today. The big money goes to those leading the multitudes to hell.

Rev. Thistlethwaite is crystal clear here. I don't really see the point of these obfuscations....

Tim quoted ""For if you forgive men their trespasses" you said "forgiving is a command" The main premise is "forgive men", those of the faith of sinner creatures are dogs, they are not human. Do you see “deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword” The wicked is the sword. “from the power of the dog” Your doctrine is that of devils. Do you see the words of Israel “Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin” The Romans and Greeks are not Israel's brethern but are their enemies.

Look "And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that thou comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods. And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the beasts of the field. Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied."

Do you see "the Philistine said am I a dog" David said "Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield" Just like the Romans did.

You have the mind of who you worship, you are as wise as a serpent. The words of your god "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" This is one of your gods "therefore wise as serpents" You are a god. Look "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:" Do you see "Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" Look "And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Do you see "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" This is your god "and lighting upon him" "beheld Satan as lightning" You have the spirit of your god, you are a god. The judgment of the LORD is clear "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." You are the seed of the serpent. "thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field" You have the mind of christ "carnally minded is death;." the words of Paul are clear "For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Tim said "Only with the help of Christ can you forgive" You have the mind of who you worship, you are as wise as a serpent.

Mathew 6:14-15

"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Sorry folks but forgiving is a command from Christ. If you want God to forgive you, then you have to forgive others. Just moving on is not enough. You can not do it on your own. Only with the help of Christ can you forgive and this I know from personal experience. God would not tell us to do something without also giving us the help to accomplish it. All things are possible through Christ.

God says to America, don't worry about China, worry about yourself. Don't you know that in all the world China has the greatest potential for Christ? Don't you know that China is so much further in their faith in My Son than America? America you are in peril now and China is in revival, if only you could see their faith? A faith that is without measure and without cost, for they truly know what it means to take up their cross. China is going to bring revival to you America! They will show you faith, for you are a tip of the ice burg, and they have already melted the ice! There is a fire there from God, and He is building an army for Christ there! They are marching and their only weapon is the Word! There gatherings are multiplying and their harvest is the finest in all the earth! Why? Because there the workers are numerous! Why? Because in them is the fear of the Lord before the fear of man.

http://jcudell.blogspot.com/

If the LORD does not forgive, neither should you.

And the Lord was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian. And his master saw that the Lord was with him, and that the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand. And Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand. And it came to pass from the time that he had made him overseer in his house, and over all that he had, that the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake; and the blessing of the Lord was upon all that he had in the house, and in the field.

Do you see the Hand of Joseph “ Lord was with him, and that the Lord made all that he did to prosper in his hand” Look “Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.” Joseph is overseer of the house of the LORD (JUDAH). Do you not understand “ the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake”

And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I am Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt. Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life. For these two years hath the famine been in the land: and yet there are five years, in the which there shall neither be earing nor harvest. And God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth, and to save your lives by a great deliverance. So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.

Do you see what Joseph's mission is “ for God did send me before you to preserve life” “sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth” “to save your lives by a great deliverance” Look and try to understand “but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh” Do you not understand “the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake” God wanted this Pharaoh to have the LORD as his father.

And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying, So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him. And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we be thy servants.

Look “Thy father did command” “Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin” Who is forgiven, the children of Israel. Why? Look “Behold, we be thy servants.”

Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me. As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

Do you see the words of David “thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me” try to understand “ but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh” Do you not understand “ the Lord blessed the Egyptian's house for Joseph's sake” God wanted this Pharaoh to have the LORD as his father. Look “Behold, we be thy servants.” Do you not hear “As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me” Look “Joseph found grace in his sight, and he served him: and he made him overseer over his house, and all that he had he put into his hand.” Joseph is overseer of the house of the LORD (JUDAH). Look “ the strangers shall submit themselves unto me” Do you not understand the latter voice. “And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.” Do you see the words of Moses “Hear, Lord, the voice of Judah, and bring him unto his people” “be thou an help to him from his enemies”

Arise, O Lord, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword: Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog. Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

Do you see “ deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword” The wicked is the sword. “ from the power of the dog” They are dogs. Do you not understand “ the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy” The eye is that of the Mother, the LORD, hope for mercy is from the Father, the LORD.

And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place. For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

Do you see “I have heard thy prayer” The LORD hears the voice of JUDAH. Look “If I shut up heaven that there be no rain” The doctrine of Moses is rain. Do you see “If my people, which are called by my name” Look “Thy father did command” “Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin” Who is forgiven, the children of Israel who are called JUDAH. Hear is the answer “I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin” If the LORD does not forgive, neither should you. You forgive your brethren. Jews forgive Jews. Not dogs who come against Israel, "And the Philistine said unto David, Am I a dog, that thou comest to me with staves? And the Philistine cursed David by his gods."

TO SUSAN BROOKS THISTLETHWAITE:

Very good article and what Jesus taught was also for us to wish well for those that have hurt us in whatever way.

You also mentioned the "forgive and forget" thing, well that is not what Jesus taught.

That "forgive and forget" thing is trying to live in a fantasy, forgiving is acknowledging that something happened and forgiving, not pretending that it didn't happen or making excuses for the wrongs done.

This actually works for both parties, the wronged and the wrongdoer but they have to be the one to do it.

Isn't it amazing how Jesus spelled it out so plainly and so many people twist it into what suits them. It may not be easy and it may go against our very nature and like you said it is an ongoing process but it is true.

Being a Christian is more than knowing God's Name. Like I have said before, The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof.

Take care, be ready, see you in the Kingdom.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"When you have been grievously harmed, those who hurt you in the past can continue to have control over you. They can dominate your thoughts, your fears, your whole life. Forgiveness is about letting go of the control they have over you. Forgiveness is letting it go."

Sorry, I have to disagree. I can let things go, but that does not mean that I forgive. I simply write those people out of my mind and my life.

Do I remember them from time to time? Sure! So what? Do I hope that some day they will feel as miserable as they made me feel? You bet! That does not mean that I am dominated by them.

Being a victim is not fun and I see no need to forgive someone who has done me physical or psychological harm.

I simply let it go!