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My knowledge is rather shaky about "faith narratives"; I am sure, however that NO nation's history "repudiates torture under all circumstances and without exception." Any nation that has gone into warfare crossed the line sometime, for some reason or justification. That is the nature of war since human wars began. And that was why it was necessary to come up with a Geneva Accord and the like, rather like an after-thought, nonetheless, in a moment of fleeting sanity, seen as direly needful by human beings.

Now, about "faith narratives," well, the nature of faith being what it is, its narrative tend to be arcane. I mean, they're told or written by their human adherents (like history being written by the victors, what do you expect to find from them?). In this sense, the ssertion should be emended to read thus: "No faith narrative repudiates torture under all circumstances and without exception."

That is the truth, factual, historical-- which we should admit and use as basis of our discussion, unless we are only engaged in a silly game of pulling each other's leg. If so, then I'm out of here.
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It is interesting that we often criticize other countries while ignoring our own crimes! All we need is one more administration like this one and we will be able to witness public executions.
Maybe they will hold them in ‘Arenas’ with our hired mercenaries (WE already have a DOMESTIC contract with Black Water.They were used in the aftermath of Katrina.) doing the job like the ‘Gladiators’.
Of course, we would have to admit to torture, as the ’subjects’ condition would be a dead giveaway!!
(Pun intended)
The way to correct most of this is to join ‘The World Court’. This will never happen because shortly after joining, a lot of our government officials would probably be facing war crimes charges. It would be fun to start a movement to join the 'World Court' and listen to the lame excuses for not joining!

That "On Faith," "Torture," and most especially "Debate" could find themselves together in the same sentence positively boggles the mind.

That "On Faith," "Torture," and most especially "Debate" could find themselves together in the same sentence positively boggles the mind.

That we have even sunk to the level of debating torture shows how far Bush, his enablers, and the craven Democrats have pulled us down. Disgraceful!
I speak as a veteran.

As a member of the steering committee of Evangelicals for Human Rights, you are troubled?

Why would that be?

You folks vigorously defend the thugs in the White House.

If torture will get you into heaven, you folks are a shoo-in.

But, if Jesus is not very happy with a people who torture others..................

(especially entire countries of innocent children and their mothers),......

well, there is a great big Karmic check that is going to be presented for payment

Or, to use the vernacular - Hell to pay.

Does Jesus torture?
Why does Jesus torture?
How does Jesus torture?
Does Jesus torture to the point of death?

See my point?

If you are only troubled, please do not claim the mantle of Christianity. Claiming to be Christian will only make you (and the rest of you right wing, "good christain", thugs) a liar - 1 John 2:4.

True, Moses may not be clear with respect to the meaning and scope of the ninth commandment.

Jesus is.

My feelings exactly. Once a human is born into the world the Christian Right has an uncanny ability to shift the focus to the horrors instigated by the enemies that their leaders designate for them. They cry out that no one has the right to "play God" with life, yet have no problem with lethal injections for a human who has sinned or a government that denies federal aid to the poor,unwanted and socially disadvantaged for whom they fought so valiantly while in the womb or thousands who are killed in wars of choice.
My advice to those fetuses. Stay where you are as long as you can because after you are born you are less of a human and fair game to be erradicated if the Christian right sees fit.

My feelings exactly. Once a human is born into the world the Christian Right has an uncanny ability to shift the focus to the horrors instigated by the enemies that their leaders designate for them. They cry out that no one has the right to "play God" with life, yet have no problem with lethal injections for a human who has sinned or a government that denies federal aid to the poor,unwanted and socially disadvantaged for whom they fought so valiantly while in the womb or thousands who are killed in wars of choice.
My advice to those fetuses. Stay where you are as long as you can because after you are born you are less of a human and fair game to be erradicated if the Christian right sees fit.

Frankly, I have a hard time taking anyone who claims there is any religious or humanistic justification for torture seriously.