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Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

No pastor is to live a lavish life. Also, anyone who claims to be a follower of Christ, whether you're a pastor or a disciple/christian/missionary/sunday school teacher (as we all have a ministry), you are not to love the things of the world, the lust of the eyes, the pride of life, which can be an assortment of things but where your heart is there also is your treasure. Greed, pride and self-servitude; all of which go against God's standards. Jesus said I did not come to be served but to serve. What about: you can't serve God and mammom (money, riches, covetous, idolatic hearts/spirits); you'll either love one and hate the other. Of course, I do not agree with the majority of televangelists that live these "over the top" lifestyles which make them look like pimps. In addition, I am an African American and I do believe that Jeremiah Wright is a racist, Michele Obama and Barack Obama are closet liberal, bitter, angry folk that claim to want change but I believe it's not what's really in their heart.

Okay, so there's tithing and collection plates in Christian churches. Is that money supposed to be used to build 1.6 million dollar houses and take lavish vacations, as Serena notes is the case with Wright?

What about her other questions? If he's so concerned with African Americans and Africans (Ethiopian Jews to use Serena's excellent axample), how come so much money goes into his well-lined bigoted pockets?

I win. Chuckle.

nice try but wright is a racist and hates whites. if he was a racist and hates blacks we would not be having this discussion he would be gone already and so would the canidate who said he had been his minister and guide for 20 years.

First, from some of the comments that just came in: Jerry Falwell is dead; he died last year. In addition, my interpretation and hermeneutics say that by their fruit you shall no them; those who truly belong to Him, not just by good works as we should know that faith expressing itself through love produces good works which were pre-ordained by God and faith expresses obedience to the word of God. In addition, as far as tithing, if we say we believe in God, and we know He is the supplier of all our needs: well then, our money doesn't belong to us: it belongs to Him: How does the church take care of the every day needs of the church w/out tithes and offerings. How do you care for those who are teaching Sunday School or working in the nursery; Where do the supplies come from? Also, Pastors who serve God by giving their life to the teaching of the gospel; how is the Pastor and his family supposed to live. Surrendered lives to God produces a amazing love for what He did for us in giving us life and everything we hold dear. I don't agree w/churches who insist on holding people up to maybe checking your W-2s to make sure your tithing enough. Malachi 3:6 8 "Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How do we rob you?' "In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—the whole nation of you—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty. 3 "You have said harsh things against me," says the LORD. "Yet you ask, 'What have we said against you?' 14 "You have said, 'It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the LORD Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.' " 16 Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name. 17 "They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my reasured possession. [a] I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.
Also, regarding some of the comments that some Pastor make well some of them are biblical and may come off offensive but as far as Pastor Wright's comments using the G-damn quote is blashphemy; also, yes, there were some prophets, like Moses, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, Peter said some pretty wrath-filled words about the bondage and cruelty of God's people who were enslaved by the Romans but no where in the Bible did they lie about what was happening. Jeremiah Wright clearly stated that the U.S. Government put AIDS in the black community: where his proof. Also, if someone who is called by God prophecies something that is not true: well they are a false prophets...Does more need to be said...No...

Hi Liora,

No, I don't know. It's how they do. What can I say? But it's ironic that their New (sic) Testament talks about driving the money changers from the temple.

Ironic, isn't it, and we can't even bring money into a synagogue.

Don't get the whole thing, the racism, imperialism, religion of love rap. Never got it, never will.

Serena

Serena,

You are right from beginning to end. What I never really get is this tithing business. My Christian friends say they get letters telling them they haven't given enough, demanding more money, and then they have these collection plates actually in church, during services!!

And you know, some of my friends just don't have the money, and finally just stopped going to church altogether.

I mean, really, what is up with all this? Do you Know?

Liora

Liora

the one that intrigues me the most is the jerry falwell quote from probverbs.... i see the power and the truth of that simple trueism manifested in life all around me... if i understand jesus right he said to look for the fruit of the vine or the tree and the harvest provided by the seed that were planted and how they faired among all the different soil types and envirnments that they were release on and then you will see the hand of god and gods blessing.... telling me the final proof may be best seen after a time... iwould think the things he pointed out in other people paled when compared to the unchristian like behavoir of suposseded christian leaders with regards to truthfullness, fraud unnessisary violance perpetuated at the wrong people for reason more closely related to money changers than desiples... i cant help but wonder how a man could know the answer but not be able to see the truth right in front of him. maybe we as christians need to work firt on actually feeding the hungry sheltering the homeless and giving medical care to porr people and quit letting them dye and suffer from easily treated disieses. i think there is difference from socialism to the idea that helpless people should be helped by the people who are blessed and a society will nevr reach it potential until it has the contributions from all... of it constiuants.... God made people different with different weakness and streanth maybe so that we would alway know what it was like to feel grateful when someon does for us the thing that we cannot our selves do. when this happens people contribute to life when it doesnt people are alienated and predictably bitter and angry or worse boken and helpless spending all thier thooughts on things people should not have to even think of in our times..... how can i eat... where will i sleep... where can i find safe shelter... who do i go to with my sickness.... history has shown us these same people when alowed to contribute in the way they can not the way some beurocrat demand... them harmony and or wealth will be available to everyone. the people who need more money and power than they could ever use and still fight to others down are not christians... they are mentally ill... i call them social preditors because they live on the misery of the poor. who do things cost more when your poor in a christian nation i wonder... please open your eyes it too late for mr falweell.

Well, you know DIGI, speaking as a Black Jew, I am always interested in this Christian tithing busines, since your son of God did take issue with it, more specifically, with its being used to enrich individuals rather than help with the poor.

Now, your Reverend Wright is a very wealthy man, a man who is building a 1.6 million dollar home, a man who takes lavish vacations. His church explains that they want their ministers to retire well. Nice work, if you can find it.

But I notice that there are a lot of sisters and brothers who don't have any homes. I notice that my Ethiopian Jewish brothers, 100,000 of them airlifted by Israel out of Ethiopian hell need help. Israel needs help in getting the rest of them out. Air-lifting has slowed down because of Israel's declining economy. Everything has slowed down to their economic problems.

Some brothers and sisters are walking from Ethiopia to Israel. Now what with the good Reverend being so concerned about African Americans and Africans, wouldn't you think he could have built a home for say, 1,000,000, and helped the Ethiopian Jews a bit? Give a sister living alone with her kid here in the US a hand?

Who's the racist pig?

Sorry, my message got garbled. I was trying to figure out why one of my posts is continually being blocked.

What I meant to say is that Christian antisemitism in the Chrisitan clergy, though ancient, is always an interesting topic.

Christian antisemitism in the clergy is always an the Christian clergy, though ancient, is always an interenting topic.

The reality is that if Christianity were deflawed, these fraudulent men of Jesus would be out of a job and would not have a pulpit to expound from!!!!

Peter DC writes:

"Did the Nazi's do what you said, yes! Did we do a terrbible thing with slavery and the Tuskegee Airmen, yes! Have nations done terrible things in the past, yes they have! But now we have to speak and teach our children of unity and the benefits to society of diversity and understanding"

Your point is well taken. However, I must resprise what Josh said in an earlier post. The only connection between the 400 African Americans diagnosed with and left untreated for syphilis and the Tuskegee Airmen is the word Tuskegee, a city in Alabama.

Moreover, again,the men to whom Secular refers were not infected with syphilis, but diagnosed with it. When they were first identified, there was no effective treatment for the disease; however, not too long afterward, it was discovered that penicillin cures it. Treatment was withheld from these men by the government, one of several twentieth-century atrocities it committed against African Americans.

The Tuskegee Airmen, the WW II 99th Fighter Squadron broke the color barrier erected against African Americans serving as pilots in the US military. Their training was conducted at the Tuskegee Institute, hence, the name Tuskegee Airmen. They had distinguished, in fact, heroic military careers and continued success after the War. I had the signal honor of hearing some of them speak a few years ago.

What fun! A rhetorical question.

Repudiate all.

Sincerely,
Providence Candlelight

First off, it is clear that most of the bloggers have just a passing acquaintance with a church.

Obamas donations were not to Rev., Wright, the person - they were to the church and that is called tithing and offerings.

All Christians are required to give offerings and or tithes to carry on GOD'S work on earth.

Senator Obama gave money ( as did all the others in the church) to help carry out the charitable work of the church.

Stop trying to make it look like he shoved it in Jeremiah Wright's pocket...and stop being so afraid of seeing yourselves are you really are..the old sixties phrase was "racist pigs"

I mean, get it, Ed? It's like satire, it's like blues, it's like *punk rock,* yes, it's like Springsteen songs that literal-minded Republican candidates who don't listen too close like to use clips of to stir blind patriotism and fear in *others* who *don't listen.*

It's a problem of our soundbyte-taking sides culture.

There *is* patriotism in this song, but not blindly and directly, it comes through pain and challenge and a will to make things better: maybe few know this better than a queer Pagan chick who knows *all* about what religious voices to really worry about:

"Born down in a dead man's town,
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

Born in the USA.
I was
Born in the USA."

Great song, that anthem. But not one of *blind* patriotism.*

One about carrying on *because* of a belief in America that goes beyond jingoistic flag-waving and ...empty blessings of obligatory public piety from those who *do* want to destroy America.

By telling you America is ideologically-easy.
By telling you America is a brand name with a Christian endorsement, whatever they do.

Or the other way around, who knows with these types.

I'm a Pagan, and I can understand that sermon.

Obama's not a robot programmed by it, anyway, as he's clearly shown.

But it's not that hard to understand.

Really.

1. Rev. Campolo was right in a sense. We have done more damage to our country and the Constitution than bin Laden ever could.
2. Dr King was right then and he is right now. We might not be the biggest criminals but we are criminals in the worlds eyes. Bush and his 'band of merry men' are war criminals.
3. Parsley claims to be a Christian yet does not follow the non-violent message of love and forgiveness that id the foundation of Jesus' teachings. Instead he wants to kill all Muslims.
4. Hagee is so full of hate and wrong about Hitler and the Catholic church conspiracy it is ridiculous.
The Catholic church has enough problems without having to make them up.
5. Billy Graham was a anti-Semite, Jesus was a Jew. Does he hate Jesus too?
6. Jesse Jackson is a politician not a true reverend. He is an anti-Semite, does he hate Jesus too?
7. By Falwell's reasoning 9/11 was an act of God to punish America. Therefore Osama bin Laden is doing God's will. Sounds crazy to me.
8. Why does Pat Robertson hate Hindus? Oh that's right, he hates everyone who isn't a white, hypocritical-Christian male. Was Jesus a capitalist? Do women really kill their babies and practice witchcraft in America?
9. Wright sounds crazy but he has some valid points. We do support oppressive regimes and have in the past supported slavery and Jim Crow.
10. Jeremiah was talking about Jerusalem long ago. Don't try to equate any of these preachers with Jeremiah.
Peace in, Peace out.

It is so encouraging to hear from wise men like Peter DC and Ed, who address Obama's 20 years of participation in a Chicago church with extensive programs to teach the untaught, house the unhoused, and feed the unfed.

Clearly, Ed and Peter base their opinions on listening to hours of Rev. Wright's sermons, and not just the 40 seconds that have played repeatedly on Fox.

Clearly, they are church-going men, who have managed to find a way to rebuke their own pastors in one-sentence phrases as they work they way through the line at the end of the service.

They wouldn't think to post without some background, now, would they?

Frankly, Ed, things said in a *lot* of Christian churches alarms me, ...but there's a difference between going a church where someone gave what they call a 'Jeremiad' sermon with some hyperbole against injustice, as opposed to being successfully-lobbied by people who want their Fundamentalist positions made government policy, as, say, McCain has.

Obama has consistently stood for his diversity and tolerance positions, whereas McCain has been visibly swayed by certain groups and their equally-inflammatory preachers.

I tend to believe you mean what you say and say what you mean, especially if you claim to be speaking for Deities, which you maybe shouldn't, anyway,

But.

The attempts at swiftboating over what's... a rhetorical convention in some 'black churches,'

...well, that's kind of like trying to hold me to account literally for the complete works of the Sex Pistols cause I like punk rock music.

I mean, actually if you get the context of that scare-clip people show to try and say Obama's not what he's about, the man's not trying to *actually 'damn America,' ..he's railing against false piety in the name of false patriotism, which we see so much of these days.

Finally got to read and hear that, and I was like, 'Oh, it's like punk rock can get.'

I really don't respond well to people screaming about Jesus and all, not in any way, really. I certainly approach my own religion with great sincerity and care with words and don't think that's the place for such sorts of expressions, but clearly that's what's going on with Rev. Wright.

As for what lobbying groups have actually gotten McCain to alter his positions in bad ways, yeah, I'm concerned with that.

Different matter than the scare tactics, though.

When another candidate sits in the pews of the other offensive pastors for twenty years and contributes 10s of thousands of dollars to same, you will have equivalence. Otherwise it is just an effort to obscure the issue of association with a man who preaches divisive sermons to large crowds.

That public dissemination is not equivalent to family misgivings around the dinner table either, as Sen. Obama's speech implies.

Some of them seem pretty innocuous.

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I don't find anything wrong with numero uno. I'm sure it's controversial, but I know I feel that way.

Well, it just goes to show that lots of 'religious leaders' have gone public with statements that many people would find offensive. But 'offensive' is often in the eye of the beholder. History is replete with examples of horrible acts against innocents in the name of one religion or the other: the Romans persecuting Christians, the Spanish Inquisition, the Puritans going after witches, the Catholics destroying native tribes to name just a few. I for one find them all offensive, but one must also consider the good that has been done by religious leaders and those who follow them. It could be argued that the good outweighs the bad. Bottom line, just because you attend a church that has a leader who makes occasional inflammatory statements does not mean you always agree. Each person must make their own judgments and be responsible for their own actions. It is how the individual chooses to live their own personal life that really matters.

I look forward to that glorious never-never day when politicians repudiate the support of all those enslaved to irrationality and superstition and especially the support of the clergymen who are pied pipers seducing the pitiable child-like side of desperate people's mentality.

I look forward to that glorious never-never day when politicians repudiate the support of all those enslaved to irrationality and superstition and especially the support of the clergymen who are pied pipers seducing the pitiable child-like side of desperate people's mentality.

Some people see Rev Wright's remarks as a negative for Obama. I see Rev Wright's behavior as a positive. It simply shows that Obama is not easily polarized. Preachers have been preaching hellfire and brimstone for a long time, many of them invoking godly wrath to be visited on whatever group or situation. Obama chose to identify with the loving and giving nature of pastor Wright, as opposed to his intemperate utterances.

Of course, Obama understands Black rage and disappointment. But there's not a hint of any of this type of feeling being expressed in any way by Obama, who came up in a very different environment from Wright.

The logic of Obama here is the same logic he displays when he says he won't ask for pre-conditions in order to meet with people who have said or done bad things. This is not a negative, it's a positive.

Hillary Clinton said "he would not be my pastor," suggesting that she would walk away from or abandon a pastor wright. She's also said she would require pre-conditions to talk to bad guys. 1) I don't admire that response because it demonstrates a sort of reactive posture, but more importantly, 2) she in fact WOULD NOT walk away. She showed her true self when she stuck with her husband after his behavior surely humiliated her and her daughter.

The point is, we are all saddled with relationships (whether we chose them to begin with has little to do with it) that are valuable for us, but where the other person has done or said things we don't like or are wrong. And just like Obama, we're unwilling to throw the other person away because of the things about that person we love and care about. Human relationships are not simple - that is the main point.

Well, so far, with the exclusion of the Prophet Jeramiah - and I'm not really sure how his words fit in to this - all you have named are tv hucksters and advisor to the son of man, Wright.

BTW, it is not Before Common Era - it is Before Christ. New age nonsense aside, that is the correct, time honored term.

Why don't you spend a little time in front of some truly spiritual men - such as Orthodox Christian priests, instead of trolling through the gutter seeking out some sort of straw man repudiation of Christianity.

I knew the answers but it was a good quiz for those who rely on phony religious leaders for guidence.

I think the real moral of this story is "Let he/she who is without sin, cast the first stone!"

What's so dreadfully wrong with the following quote? What Wright says here is really a matter of historical fact:

“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens have come home to roost.”

Ms. Quinn,

Your comment implies that Rev. Wrights comments can be forgiven because other religious leaders have said things equally or more objectionable.

THIS IS LUDICRIOUS! The moral equivalence here is awe inspiring. I assume, by your logic, that the leaders of the Rwanda Genocide should get a pass because theirs wasn't as terrible as Germany's Nazi regime?

We should condemn all of these statements, including Rev. Wright's. They were hateful, hurtful, and racist at their core.

You can forgive them, if you choose. That's a choice I reject.

Sally Quinn is not only biased toward Obama, she is atheist - enough said.

Secular- you like so many others who support Obama miss the point. It is his judgement in not moving away from Wright and for that matter his other minister problem, Rev. Meeks that is the problem.

You can't run on the idea of unifying the country and then claim these men as your close friends, spiritual counselors and mentors. If you do you have little chance of unifying anyone.

The reality is we have a racist nation, and we are also sexist and homophobic. But if you don't move away from the words of Wright and Meeks and those like them- you will never move beyond these issues.

Did the Nazi's do what you said, yes! Did we do a terrbible thing with slavery and the Tuskegee Airmen, yes! Have nations done terrible things in the past, yes they have! But now we have to speak and teach our children of unity and the benefits to society of diversity and understanding each other

Secular writes:

Have you heard of the Tuskegee airmen, case? In this case essentially black airmen of Tuskegee were purposely made part of an ongoing air force study about STDs. These pilots were recruited into the study without their informed consent. In fact without their consent period, informed or otherwise. Though it was not meant for extermination of the blacks, nonetheless no different from research conducted by Dr. Mengle on behalf of the Nazis, may even be worse. So my point is do not beat your chest in horror.

In a reply to your earlier post, I recommended that you attend remedial continuing ed. and critical thinking classes, albeit with your limited capacities, you would be unlikely to benefit much. I now withdraw that suggestion; please also ignore my explanations for how to search the internet for information.

It would be unethical for anyone to make such suggestions in a case so clearly hopeless as yours. The Tuskegee airmen were not recruited for that disgusting AmeriChristian "experiment." The fact is that four hundred Tuskegee African Americans who already had syphilis were given no treatment even after penicillin was found to be a cure. If you read my earlier reply to your previous post, perhaps you will understand how such a thing could happen. (Better yet, ask someone to read it to you.)

This is not the only hideous medically related atrocity the AmeriChristians performed on their African American co-religionists.

As for Mengele, my dear illiterate, there is no comparison either in terms of the numbers, or in terms of the activities. A lack of knowledge and a low IQ are a dangerous combination. A fourth-grade reading level and an eighty I.Q. would have been all you needed for you to learn about what the Christian Mengele did.

Regrettably, given your limitations, you may have difficulty accessing what follows below, which I was unable to paste as a link. It is the most simply worded description I could find on the Tuskegee horror. Please show the site name to someone with functional literacy skills, and ask him/her to explain the contents to you.

NPR : Remembering the Tuskegee Experiment

Also, this tw-faced girl as a god--- very foolish

Idol worshipppers

I see alot of foolishness on the blog, yet I don't see anyone answering the question "who would YOU renounce".

I say none of them.

They are entitled to their opinions.

If we let this adminstiration adn their views continue, we will be the the country we pretend to save. We would close the mouth of the opinionated. We would shut the door to people who don't look like the "old boys network" and we would put the death those who don't think along the Christian line of thought.

Sounds like oppression to me.

I demand true liberation. Free speech, free thinking - for everyone, not jus the majority.

Again, this country was built on the idea of hypocrisy.

You claim freedom, yet slavery was your highest commodity.

You claim freedom, yet you want to make Christianity the religion on the world.

You claim freedom for all, yet you pick and choose which country deserve to be liberated.

ANSWER THE QUESTION - WHO WOULD YOU RENOUNCE

I say, repudiate them all! I am without sin and will be casting the first stone. Please don't investigate me, though. Heh, heh, I'm sure you will be bored and won't find anything...

I just listened to another interview with a "war on terror" prisoner who was arrested, tortured and then held at Guantanamo for four years. I wonder if God is blessing America for its actions -- fully authorized by the Bush administration.

Billy Graham's secret sentiments toward the Jews is most appalling simply because he has convinced so many of his sainthood. Note that he didn't apologize for his conversations with Nixon until after he and Nixon was caught together. Unlike the Jewish prophets of old, Graham did not "speak truth to power". Rather he would go to any lengths to be seen in the company of the powerful.

I see nothing wrong with what was said but any of these leaders accept the racial slures that were made about Jewish people. What most of these men are doing is using scripture and making a practical application of it to fit this age. We want to cast doubt on this men for their beliefs.
This Nation was founded on Christian values and beliefs. The great seal of "In God we Trust" is stamped on our money. Some Atheist in the 60's wanted to remove anything that represented God even prayer in the schools and in Congress. These man maybe not all of them have a strong abiding faith in God just like the Jewish prophets in the Old Testament. I am not calling them prophets but their zeal for God is great. When a Nation's choice is to abandon the privileges and protection that God has given them by trusting in military might, wealth and rejecting God by leaving Him out of the affairs of government. These men are just revealing the truth of scripture. The name calling needs to stop. But a nation is damed to hell for abandoning God!

Rev. Hagee is obviously lacking education about the foundations of Christianity. The Catholic
Church is the ORIGINAL not imitation Christian
Church. The Protestant Church, arose from the belief that people should "sire" or create
male ofspring, regardless of the union/relationship.

Perhaps, he believes in the creation of FEMALE
SAINTS, LIKE SAINT MARY QUEEN OF SCOTTS, AND
SAINT ANN BOLYN. Several women were slaughtered
during a certain English Kings sexual exploits
when his EGO was seeking a male child.

"ALWAYS REMEMBER THE SOURCE". THE KING JAMES BIBLE, WAS WRITTEN IN ENGLISH, BECAUSE OF THE PRINTING PRESS.

THE " MORMANS ", OR
" THE CHURCH OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS "
" THE MORMANS " ARE MEERLY A RELIGIOUS CULT.

MARRIAGE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND CONTINUES TO BE A "MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE RELATIONSHIP" BETWEEN
A FEMALE ( a WOMAN, the Bride )
and A MALE ( a MAN, the Groom ).

In the eyes of the Law and God, only one wife and one husband constitute a marriage.

HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES, REGARDLESS OF ETHNIC ORIGIN,
OR FORMER LEGAL BATTLES BY PARENTS, ARE NOT
VALID MARRIAGES IF BOTH SPOUSES ARE THE SAME
GENDER.

Does Rev. Hagee remember the AWESOME GUEST
APPEARANCE BY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN ASTRONAUT
ON A TALK SHOW MORE THAN TEN YEARS AGO?

The Astronaut explained MARRIAGE:
"IT IS ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE."

All "NORMAL" CATHOLICS, WOULD AGREE.
A MARRIAGE IS A PROCREATIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN
ONE WOMAN, AND ONE MAN.

IT IS A MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE RELATIONSHIP, THAT IS NOT TO BE SHARED IN THE MARRIAGE BED, OR OTHER LOCATION FOR SEXUAL ACTIVITY, BY OTHER MEN OR WOMEN.

NOT BY RAPISTS, OR BOYFRIENDS, OR GIRLFRIENDS, OR SOMEONE ELSES HUSBAND OR WIFE, REGARDLESS OF THE REASON.

MARRIAGE IS NOT SEXUAL RELATIONS FOR THE PAYMENT OF A FEE. THAT IS PROSTITUTION, WHICH IS A CRIME.
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It's good that you inject an apparently level-headed perspective, but doing so at this late date seems a bit anticlimactic. If I may make an analogy, it's like sweeping up the manure after the elephants' parade has passed by. Of course, it's good to recognize manure and try to remove it from the road, but the crowd pays attention as the parade passes. Perhaps a more noticeable tactic would be to stand in front of those elephants, make them stop, until the manure that they drop can be shoveled. That would focus the crowd's attention on how highly we prize keeping our streets free of manure. Of course, in my analogy, the street is our public discourse, the crowd is the ordinary public, the manure is demagogic language and propaganda, and the soiling left by neglected manure is the assault on common sense and dignity that results from such intellectual pollution. Thanks for pointing out the ridiculousness of the "repudiation" game. Next time, and there will be one, don't wait so long.

The truth will set us free ! Unfortunately many people are not interested in the truth that comes from an anaylsis of Dr. Wright's sermon when it is compared to and put in context with the words of others about the same issues he raised.
What is really telling of the ignorance of his critics is the lack of specificity in their declaration of Dr. Wrights words as "hate speech and anti-American." I have yet to hear any of the flag wavers and Obama haters say exactly what is untrue, unpatriotic or hateful about what Rev.Wright said. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment.

Blacks need to start taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, and lack of personal responsibility instead of playing the victim hood game and blaming everyone else for their plight! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

In response to Peter DC, MR.Wright's accusation to you might seem ridiculous, but is not without foundation. Have you heard of the Tuskegee airmen, case? In this case essentially black airmen of Tuskegee were purposely made part of an ongoing air force study about STDs. These pilots were recruited into the study without their informed consent. In fact without their consent period, informed or otherwise. Though it was not meant for extermination of the blacks, nonetheless no different from research conducted by Dr. Mengle on behalf of the Nazis, may even be worse. So my point is do not beat your chest in horror. YES INDEED THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, FOR THAT MATTER MANY A GOVERNMENT HAVE DONE THIS KIND OF STUFF BEFORE AND WILL DO IT IN THE FUTURE. Your indignation does not impress me, if anything just betrays your shallow cerebral shortcomings.

I agree wholeheartedly with Merrill Friend. It's a horrible thing to take the name of the Lord in vain and His world says that He will not hold those who do this guiltless. In addition, why is it that Jeremiah Wright is hold on a different level and it WAS NOT snippets. Again, He was interviewed by Sean Hannity in March 2007 (which I saw the entire interview), in addition, a Fox News network employer walked right into Trinity Church and purchased those "so called" snippets right from the Church's store. Let's hold all those accountable and stop picking and choosing. Again, do we teach our children that it's ok to curse a nation in the pulpit in the name of God.

For 1976 through 2005, the Justice Department reports that blacks, 12 percent of the U.S. population, committed 52 percent of the nation's murders and were 47 percent of all murder victims.
Until I heard the racist and anti-American tirades of Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, it hadn't occurred to me that the murderous fires in the black community were being stoked from the pulpits inside black churches.
I wonder if it's ever occurred to Obama and Wright that it probably doesn't help young people in the black community when they're told that their country hates them, that the U.S. government gave them drugs and AIDS, and that jail and genocide are the officially-sanctioned plan for them.
"The government gives them drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America,'" shouted Wright at his congregation. "No, no, no. God damn America. That's in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
I wonder if Obama ever considered the negative impact on young blacks from listening to these hateful and anti-white tirades. It's not as if Obama is blind to the influence of hate speech. When Don Imus made one careless remark about black female athletes, Obama was among the first to call for his firing. Fines and a temporary suspension weren't enough. Obama said he wanted Imus silenced so that his young daughters never had to hear such language.
Does Obama think it's good for his daughters and the black community when black leaders increase the black community's level of anger, defeatism, paranoia, cynicism, negativity and pessimism? Does he think it's good to jack up the level of the resentment and racism in a community that's already overdosed on rage and victimhood?
"Recent statistics show that more than three times as many black people live in prison cells as in college dorms," reports the Lincoln Institute for Research and Education. "One in every 10 black men between the ages of 25 and 29 is in prison."
On top of being murdered, blacks are also "more likely than any other group to be victims of serious violent crime," reports the Justice Department, which is defined as "rape, other sexual assaults, robbery or aggravated assault."
And we need more ranting and raving, more boiling with rage?
Does Obama think it improves matters when black leaders tell blacks that they're poor, sick, jailed or hooked on drugs because of a government plot? Does it help to fix things if the choir is singing "The devil made me do it," the white devil?
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color," Rev. Wright preaches to his congregation. In America, he asserted, "no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."
The United States is "the number-one killer in the world," preached Wright, the "U.S. of K.K.K. A," a nation that only maintains its standard of living "by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty."
For 20 years, Barack Obama drank the aforementioned Kool-Aid, never seeing the problem. That makes him a problem.

I can accept a great deal that religious leaders say until they use Gods name in vain from the pulpit to curse anyone or anything. When they do this they defile the God they have sworn to serve and they are saying to all in their audience, including children, that such language is acceptable. Religious leaders should lead by example. I don't care for the example set by Pastor Wright.

I can accept a great deal that religious leaders say until they use Gods name in vain from the pulpit to curse anyone or anything. When they do this they defile the God they have sworn to serve and they are saying to all in their audience, including children, that such language is acceptable. Religious leaders should lead by example. I don't care for the example set by Pastor Wright.

contrary to what has been so widely reported, I do believe that most of #9 was not originally by Rev. Wright. if you go back and listen to that part of the sermon leading up to this quote, Rev. Wright was conveying to his congregation what he had heard himself on TV from an ambassador, who perchance, was a White man. but of course, when snipets are used, the real info always gets cut short!

Hmmmm. Thats a hard question but I'll give it a try. All of them. Organized religion is legal extortion in silk.

You have missed the point of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. First, Obama claims he doesn't need experience because he has judgement. His close 20 year relationship with Wright is a judgement call. Bad judgement for someone who wants to be president of all the people. Second, It is a close relationship, not a passing one that the others have had with the people you mention. Such as McCain, he is the one who called Fallwell the agent of intolerence. It is politics, not a relationship that has molded their ideas,lives, etc. Third, Wright's hate speeches shows the hypocrisy on the left. The left has continually criticized the religious right for hate mongering, but when it shows up on the left it is called a cultural thing that is good for the nation. Hate speech is intolerable on both the right and the left.

You have missed the point of the Jeremiah Wright controversy. First, Obama claims he doesn't need experience because he has judgement. His close 20 year relationship with Wright is a judgement call. Bad judgement for someone who wants to be president of all the people. Second, It is a close relationship, not a passing one that the others have had with the people you mention. Such as McCain, he is the one who called Fallwell the agent of intolerence. It is politics, not a relationship that has molded their ideas,lives, etc. Third, Wright's hate speeches shows the hypocrisy on the left. The left has continually criticized the religious right for hate mongering, but when it shows up on the left it is called a cultural thing that is good for the nation. Hate speech is intolerable on both the right and the left.