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March 29, 2008 4:41 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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March 29, 2008 4:38 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.
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So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!
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BEWARE:
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December 16, 2007 10:00 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 16, 2007 10:00
Rev. Jerry Falwell was a man from God. He told it like it was. Sometimes we need to tell the truth and i know the tryth hurts.
Sometime Rev. Jerry Falwell spoken when it was not the right times.
Rev. Jerry Falwell is in a better place now.
Rev. Jerry Falwell tell my mother I love her, and miss her.
October 15, 2007 1:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 13:45
Rev. Jerry Falwell was a man from God. He told it like it was. Sometimes we need to tell the truth and i know the tryth hurts.
Sometime Rev. Jerry Falwell spoken when it was not the right times.
Rev. Jerry Falwell is in a better place now.
Rev. Jerry Falwell tell my mother I love her, and miss her.
October 15, 2007 1:45 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 13:45
Rev. Jerry Falwell was a man from God. He told it like it was. Sometimes we need to tell the truth and i know the tryth hurts.
Sometime Rev. Jerry Falwell spoken when it was not the right times.
Rev. Jerry Falwell is in a better place now.
Rev. Jerry Falwell tell my mother I love her, and miss her.
October 15, 2007 1:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 13:44
I'm surprised to see the comments from many quarters complaining about Rev. Rick's take on faith.
We have such a wonderful man of God in the form of Pastor Rick Warren whom God has been using to change many lives around the world.
I find that there are jealous bunch of guys out there, not trying to appreciate some positive development in our world through some men but will rant on them if what they say is against them. And US is a democratic country, if the freedom they have is not utilized properly, we can only expect a decaying generations to come up with strange voices that can be heard from anywhere in the world through electronic media.
Anyways, those who are really against Rick are those unbelievers even if they are Christians. That's my take.
July 16, 2007 5:43 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on July 16, 2007 05:43
nothing you can do will make Him love you less.
Sin is what separates us from God.
Evaluate
Seek Truth
By the way, Religion is an awfully ugly term that creates many negative images.
Religion sucks....
Now relationship ----thats what its about.
Until you've lost a loved one and literally felt the arms of Jesus surrounding you so you can fall to sleep, until you've felt a peace like no other, until you have joy that makes you want to jump out of bed in the morning - you havevn't experienced Jesus.
Its not complicated. The fact is christianity is only tolerated in this country. Reprobate minds have their views. Anything else will be wrong so its really pointless to argue until Jesus prepairs that heart. My heart aches for the reality that few will actually make it.
My prayer is that those who are left behind somehow realize the truth. Wow. Its sobering to get on here and come to grips with how we, as christians, have failed miserably to love, respect, and bring a positive vantage point to the word -christian. its sickening actually.
June 1, 2007 2:46 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on June 1, 2007 02:46
Right on, Rick!
Jerry was one of a kind. He was led my God and Jesus to preach the Bible the way it was written. There are still many poor souls out there who need to know God's love for them.
May 29, 2007 3:04 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 29, 2007 15:04
Rick Warren is part of a new generation of flat-Earth, homophobic religionists--a generation that seeks to soft-peddle the ignorance of Christian fundamentalism in a new, attractive package. I ain't buying it.
And what's truely pathetic is the fact that so many of the "Wise Men" in the MSN (Tim Russert comes to mind) give the likes of Mr. Warren a platform. Of course there's really no surprise there: these guys are part of a self-congratulatory generation of ignoramuses whose own homophobia has been regularly revealed by their previous chummy manner with the likes of Falwell. What's nice to know is that when the generation of these old farts dies off, there will be no one to replace them. Good riddance to old farts!
May 27, 2007 2:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 27, 2007 14:35
Daniel (either of you):
One of you claim that I have misunderstood you and read you incorrectly.
Is it possible you have done the same to Falwell?
May 24, 2007 10:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 24, 2007 10:50
Daniel (both of you):
Where have I expressed anger?
I have asked questions. I have probed for more information. I have looked for reasonable defenses.
I have found none.
I am not angry, but I am sad that discourse is not possible. If I have misunderstood you, then maybe we are speaking two very different languages.
Sigh.
May 24, 2007 10:48 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 24, 2007 10:48
Oh and one more thing...
there is at least one other guy named "Daniel" posting here, who is not me. So mabye all of the Daniel comments that you are angry at did not come form me.
May 23, 2007 5:40 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2007 17:40
You're a pretty hostile guy. I am not against relgion. That is just how you are "reading" me which is incorrect.
May 23, 2007 5:37 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2007 17:37
Thanks for your diagnosis, Dr. Daniel, but I think "paranoia" is not my problem. I could easily say the same thing about you--your incessant need to respond on here borders on an obsessive compulsion to be right and to be recognized. Certainly a need for a therapist, to use your logic.
Besides, you've identified and diagnosed me without knowing me. Your implication that religious fanaticism is a mental illness certainly contains some claim that an overly serious pursuit of the knowledge of the Bible is a negative thing, does it not?
By the way, are you a psychologist? Have you personally discussed these issues with Jerry Falwell or every conservative fundamentalist Christian? If not, then is it not possible that your observation is a bit skewed?
I am a rationalist by nature, and a philosopher by trade. If I am paranoid, it is only in the area of a misappropriation of Reason by those who refuse to use it. I have made no religious claim, though you seem to think I have. I think many people vilify Jerry Falwell without knowing him, and I think that this kind of approach is both irrational and unkind. If I am wrong, then I will gladly be corrected. But please use reason not personal attacks.
May 23, 2007 2:55 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2007 14:55
To Thales
Just checking back. I suggested that relgious fanaticism is interconnected with mental illness. Maybe I did not say it correctly.
I will try again: it is my observation and belief that religious fantacism is a psychological state which is pathological, in nature. I never said anything against religion or the Bible. I never said the Bible is wrong. That is just your paranoia, filling in the blanks, with intentions that I have never expressed.
I am sorry that you have misunderstood my meaning. People who are mentally ill should get treatment for their illness from doctors; they should not be raised up as wise religous authorities.
May 23, 2007 11:45 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 23, 2007 11:45
Once more into the brink:
Daniel, you said:
"Religious fanatacism is a symptom of mental illness. I do not believe that this statement says anything bad about the Bible, about Jesus Christ, about God, about church, about the nature of the soul or of Heaven."
You have not proven the first sentence. You have merely asserted it. An ounce of evidence is worth a pound of assertion. You are attacking people based on your bias against religion, not based on any evidence you have in hand. Your experience with your brother only proves that his actions were deemed incoherent and that he had some mental illness. Does it prove that all religious fanatics are similarly ill? Not really. One could argue that your attempts to prove religious fanaticism is a mental illness may exhibit a form of mental illness as well. It is certainly an obsession that appears similar to fanaticism. Maybe we should all do some self-reflection, no? Also, I have not quoted a single passage of holy writ, yet you have not answered my questions. Should I respond as you have to others? For example, you responded:
"If anyone is offended at this observation, that insanity and religious mainia are interconnected, then you need to examine within yourself, why you are offended, and quit picking on me."
So, if you are offended by my observation, will a similar response from me cause you to stop picking on others?
You also said:
"What if a Moslem quoted from the Koran to prove his arguments, and just assumed that he was right, because the Koran is always right, and anyone who didn't already know that is somehow an inferior person?"
I have to ask--do you assume that your statements about religious texts and these forums are right? If so, how do your statements differ from someone quoting the Bible or the Koran? You presume your rightness, you have not shown it logically or empirically. If you assume your own rightness, why is it bad for someone else to do the same? Or are they wrong simply because they disagree with you? Finally, in an attempt at unity and peace, you stated:
"Conservative Fundamentalist Christians demand respect from everyone; they demand it flamboyantly, but they do not give an ounce of resepect to anyone else. That is the point of this forum, that Jerry Falwell was not a good Christian, and he was not a good man."
Have you actually met every Conservative Fundamentalist Christian in the world? If not, how can you make this generalization? Did you ever meet Jerry Falwell? How then do you know your statement to be true. You assume much, yet you assail others for assuming things.
Again, your logic eats at itself. If the Bible is wrong, prove it. Oh, and how will you prove that Jerry Falwell was not a good Christian? Will you refer to Scripture? If so, will you presume that your interpretation is right?
Well, I have said enough. It seems to me that collegial discussion is not possible in our culture, and that saddens me.
May 21, 2007 12:28 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 21, 2007 12:28
I have patiently, and we deep respect, read each of these posted comments. First let me thank the esteemed Ric Warren for his positive comments concerning the life of Dr. Jerry Falwell.
Allow me to focus us onto a single entity of Falwell's activities, that of Liberty University. True he did a great deal of good with his homes for alcoholics and unwed mothers. He did a great deal of good through his church and his public statements weren't always the best. I think that qualifies him as being human. Yet. I believe the farthest reaching efects will be felt through his university.
His efforts through the church will definitely effect the local community but his efforts through the university will effect communites from the Pacific to the Atlantic. esterday some 3500 people graduated from Liberty University. These people will go back to their communites taking the values and abilities they learned while in Lynchburg with them. As these people go into the clergy, education, business and the military Jerry's values will multiply. These people will reach others and pass on those values to them.
Many years down the road there will be many well adjusted and mature couples and families that will trace their life's values and standards to Liberty University.
May 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 20, 2007 19:30
Doug, Khomeini never killed anyone with his hands either. His words and leadership however did quite a lot of damage to a proud society. Falwell's words and leadership do damage as well. Imagine him or his kind in power. They would spill blood worse than a muslim zealot could ever dream of.
You are correct regarding Bin Laden. But I was also talking about those wahabbi imams that justified the tsunami in much the same way the Falwells and Robertsons justified Katrina and 9/11. They all said it was god's reaction to what they perceived to be immoral behavior.
Regarding you flexing your intellectual muscle, I'm glad to hear that you have read up on things other than that fictional book. May I recommend Voltaire to you. He really does make very good sense. I would also recommend a very recent book written by Christopher Hitchens: God is not Great. It is an excellent read. I literally could not put it down.
As I have stated here before, I myself believe in GOD. But found it a fascinating read and re-confirmation that organizaed religion does truly shame GOD.
May 17, 2007 6:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 18:06
I have recently discovered these religious forums. I have been expressing my opinions. It feels very good. All my life, I have been bullied by the Conservative Christian types. Now it feels so good to resist, and to say something back. I won't come back to this particular forum anymore. It is has wound down and is done. I am not interested in continuing this pissing match with Doug or with anyone else.
May 17, 2007 4:20 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 16:20
To: Mr. Mark
That is my whole point. It is not a "logical" discussion if all your proofs depend on cobbled-together quotes from the Bible, which can be pulled randomly, strung together any which way, and which most of the people in the conversation either are not familiar with, do not understand, or just plain on principle, do not believe. If you want to have a logical argument, then be logical. If you want to have a Bible study, in which you analyse line by line, the Bible, and what it all could mean, then join with a group of like-minded people and pursue that. Otherwise, this Bible-quoting is rude at best, but is often a bad and scary sign.
May 17, 2007 4:10 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 16:10
You don't get anything I have been saying, do you? When the police arrested my brother, and yes, that is what they did, they put handcuffs on him and arrested him, he was, all the while, seeking to justify his religious babbling and why his quotes from the Bible really made alot of sense, and how it was everybody else who was crazy and not him. But that didn't change anything; they still took him away.
May 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 16:00
Doug writes:
"You people are absolutely amazing. Mr Mark, because I do not believe in evolution you will refuse to engage me in a logical discussion."
Sorry, Doug, but your statement above says it all. You believe in the supernatural and don't believe in evolution, yet you want to have a logical discussion.
How is that possible?
Again - I'm sorry, but there's no point. You're asking for the illogical to be treated logically and the logical to be ignored, and that's impossible, at least for me.
May 17, 2007 3:57 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:57
You people are absolutely amazing. Mr Mark, because I do not believe in evolution you will refuse to engage me in a logical discussion.
Daniel, I quoted Jesus saying that some don't believe His words because they are not His SHEEP and some do because they are His SHEEP in response to someone calling me a sheep. To that you say that I pulled a reference out of thin air. How is it that you do not see the correlation between the two?
I am glad that my other unbelieving friends that I have great theological discussions and debates with are not as petty and close-minded as you.
May 17, 2007 3:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:50
Robert said, "It would've at least given the impression that you are well-rounded and to some degree objective in your analysis."
You mean well-rounded as in I have read up on the question of how the speed of light may slow down when approaching the event horizon of the edge of the universe? Or are you talking more about understanding music theory? Perhaps you would like to discuss childhood development and educational theory? Or maybe even Schliermacher and other philosophers?
Or maybe you would like to discuss the Koran or the Upanishads or the Book of Mormon or the Watchtower, all of which I have read as well.
I am not trying to toot my own horn, but you don't know me at all, so how can determine from some of my education background that I am not well-rounded?
May 17, 2007 3:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:44
You quoted to us:
"John 10:24-28 - Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. 26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand."
So what has your quote proved? You have pulled it out of thin air, with no context, with no agreement from anyone on its relevance or credibility. It is just your babble.
My brother was committed to the state mental hospital for babbling scriptures from the Bible in public places. A magistrate, meaning a judge, signed the warrant to seize him and have him committed against his will. There he stayed about 45 days, until they could get his "Jesus mania" under control, so that he could come back out into society, without scaring people.
So I think people who dabble in this kind of theology should think, how it can be a trap into the darker side of man, and how, even if you know that you are sane, maybe other people might not be so sure, and would be afraid of you.
You think that I am a mean person for bringing this stuff up. I and my family suffered through this. This Jesus-mania, is a terrible suffering for the sick person and the sick person's family. I would expect extreme reaction of anger. I am used to it.
May 17, 2007 3:42 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:42
Dear Doug -
Thanks for the answer.
There's no point in having any type of discussion with you. I know where the conversation is heading, as do you. I've had those conversations here and they are singularly unproductive (do a little bit of surfing around this site if you care to read my positions).
We are like prisoners who have been incarcerated together for so long that when we tell each other jokes, we need say only, "Joke Number 42," to get a laugh (of course, you still have to tell the joke correctly to get the laugh). So it is with my basing my life in reality and you basing yours in the fantastic. We know the punchlines before the joke has even been uttered, so what's the point?
Enjoy the site, though. There are anti-theists and atheists here who still have a thread or so of patience and will be more than happy to engage you in discussion. At this point, I'm not one of them. Sorry.
Take care.
May 17, 2007 3:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:35
Robert, degrees mean absolutely nothing. You can get a degree on the internet.
And I am a sheep.
John 10:24-28 - Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me. 26 "But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
May 17, 2007 3:27 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:27
Robert said, "The only difference between Falwell and the other 2 are hygeine, close shave, and expensive suits, not too mention 150 pounds of girth."
Yeah, that and the fact that Falwell never killed anyone nor suggested that anyone should be killed. But what is that among fundamentalists?
May 17, 2007 3:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:25
One additional comment that I wanted to make. I don't think much of someone who has received 2 master's degree in Divinity and Biblical Studies.
One Master's degree in biblical studies and the other in a field of sciences would have impressed me much more. It would've at least given the impression that you are well-rounded and to some degree objective in your analysis.
But 2 degrees in theology says a whole lot about you. And what is says is that you are a SHEEP.
May 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:22
Mr Mark,
I take a literal view of Genesis 1. I am a creationist. I have no doubt that evolution occurs on a micro level. But I have yet to see any evidence that would convince me that evolution occurs on a macro level. There simply is no evidence that one species evolves into another.
I do not believe in a "big bang." I do not believe in natural selection. I believe in a sovereign Creator who works all things after the counsel of His will.
May 17, 2007 3:18 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:18
Organized religion shames GOD. People like Falwell were true fundamentalist Christians, and as such were no different that Ayatollah Khomeini or a Saudi Salafist we all know is hiding somewhere in a cave. The only difference between Falwell and the other 2 are hygeine, close shave, and expensive suits, not too mention 150 pounds of girth.
I only thank the fathers of our country for not allowing religion into our politics. But I do fear that slowly we may lose this battle as this administration is the first to truly be beholden to these crackpots.
Falwell made some crazy comments and threats. You put him in power and he would be no different than a pope commanding all good christians to do their duty and liberate the holy land from the infidels.
May 17, 2007 3:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 15:15
Doug writes:
"Mr Mark,
I am not sure if you are sincerely asking and want an honest answer or if you are just trying to be difficult.
For the record, I have read the Bible through every year for the last 7 years. I have studied Koine Greek (language of NT) and Ancient Hebrew (language of OT). I have two Master's degrees, one in Biblical Studies and one in Divinity."
Thanks for the response.
Glad to see yu've earned two masters.
My first question to you:
do you believe in evolution (ie: natural selection on a micro/macro basis, whatever)? Thanks in adavnce for your response.
May 17, 2007 2:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 14:52
I am not opposed to the Bible. I just find it a little rude to quote from it casually in public to prove arguments. This practice does not really prove anything, but just makes other people feel bad. That is what you do. I am a Christian too, but you assume that I am not because I disagree with you. So, why are the final authority on everything Christian? You are not.
I will ask my question again, with more qualitifcations, so that you must answer it more truthfully: What if a Moslum appeared on THIS forum and proved all of his points by quoting from the Koran? Wouldn't you think he was just some crackpot? Well, that is how you appear to alot of people. (I am just trying to get you to look at things from someone else's point of view).
May 17, 2007 2:25 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 14:25
OK, Daniel, one more response:
If a Muslim quoted from the Koran on a forum about Muslim issues, I would expect that.
I would think that a person opposed to the Bible on a RELIGIOUS forum that has to do with CHRISTIANITY who keeps whining because others quote from the Bible is the one who is insane. Especially one who now is complaining that others are attacking him after he has spent post after post attacking others.
This was my last (really!) response to you, so enjoy tearing me apart again.
May 17, 2007 2:13 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 14:13
Religious fanatacism is a symptom of mental illness. I do not believe that this statement says anything bad about the Bible, about Jesus Christ, about God, about church, about the nature of the soul or of Heaven.
If anyone is offended at this observation, that insanity and religious mainia are interconnected, then you need to examine within yourself, why you are offended, and quit picking on me.
Quoting religious text in a public forum to prove your point is absurd. I made that observation a few comments back, and this simple observation and comment has drawn all of these pissy replies.
What if a Moslem quoted from the Koran to prove his arguments, and just assumed that he was right, because the Koran is always right, and anyone who didn't already know that is somehow an inferior person?
Please everyone, and anyone, don't attack me, until you have answered this question. All I am asking for is just a little basic respect.
Conservative Fundamentalist Christians demand respect from everyone; they demand it flamboyantly, but they do not give an ounce of resepect to anyone else. That is the point of this forum, that Jerry Falwell was not a good Christian, and he was not a good man.
May 17, 2007 2:01 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 14:01
Mr Mark,
I am not sure if you are sincerely asking and want an honest answer or if you are just trying to be difficult.
For the record, I have read the Bible through every year for the last 7 years. I have studied Koine Greek (language of NT) and Ancient Hebrew (language of OT). I have two Master's degrees, one in Biblical Studies and one in Divinity.
For all of this, I fail miserably to completely live as I should. That is because I am, just like everyone else, a sinner in need of the grace of God, which He offers through the substitutionary death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
Having trusted in Christ alone for reconciliation with God, I try to live according to all I read in His Word. I will never be perfect until I see Him in heaven, but I am called to be holy as He is holy.
May 17, 2007 1:12 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 13:12
Doug writes:
"Daniel, I don't wish you would go away. I wish you would accept that some people believe the Bible to be true and try to live by it."
Do you try to live by it, ALL of it? Or do you cherry pick the parts you like and try to live on half the story?
May 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:50
Daniel:
You said: "I think it is socially maladjusted for you to assume that everyone else believes like you do, and if they do not, then they need some good Bible-quotin' from you to fix them up. I dont aplogize."
Is it not, by implication, "socially maladjusted" to think that if someone believes the Bible or disagrees with you, then they need some good sarcasm from you to fix them up?
Your logic eats at itself. You expect others to agree with you while at the same time you tell your opponents that if they have a similar approach they are "socially maladjusted." I'm beginning to think coherent discussion in a rational manner is not possible. If the Bible is wrong, prove it. If the Bible is right, prove it. If you can't, quit using personal attacks as a means to make your point.
Geesh, what are they teaching in schools these days?
Hint: Certainly not logic or reasonable debate!
May 17, 2007 12:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:49
Last post to Daniel...
And Daniel, I think it is socially maladjusted for you to assume that no one else believes like me, and if they do, to castigate them (and me) for telling you about their belief system directly from the source of their belief system.
Non-apology accepted.
May 17, 2007 12:49 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:49
Falwell was a nice guy, Mussolini got the trains to run on time and Hitler loved animals.
May 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:47
I know that some people believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. But most people do not. Even most Christians do not. Many people who quote from the Bible, cherry pick, verses and cobble together their own personal religous points of view, and then trumpet them around publically to demonstrate superiority over others. Why would I wish to engage you in that? I think it is socially maladjusted for you to assume that everyone else believes like you do, and if they do not, then they need some good Bible-quotin' from you to fix them up. I dont aplogize.
May 17, 2007 12:32 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:32
Doug:
Daniel is intentionally posting derogatory or otherwise inflammatory messages. Ignore his posts and he will vanish.
May 17, 2007 12:17 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:17
Daniel, I don't wish you would go away. I wish you would accept that some people believe the Bible to be true and try to live by it.
For you not to accept it is intolerant and bigoted. If you continue to respond in hate-filled posts rather than sincere, thought-proving ones, for the sake of civility, I will choose to no longer engage you in conversation.
May 17, 2007 12:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 12:15
Stop wishing that I would go away, and go see a shrink. You need it bad.
May 17, 2007 11:50 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 11:50
or go to another forum that is not written by a conservative Bible-believing Christian about another conservative Bible-believing Christian.
May 17, 2007 11:35 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on May 17, 2007 11:35