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President Hinckley knew who he REALLY was (a child of God), and he recognized the same familiarity in all his brothers and sisters, whatever their religion. This knowledge brought him peace, happiness and unspeakable JOY.

http://dayofpraise.blogspot.com/

Vote: Deport John McCain all the way back to Panama, "NOT" hard working Mexican(s):

By: Cyber Friend(s) & Volunteer For "HILLARY FOR PREZ!"

VOTE: Abolish ALL PRE-APOCALYPTIC old-time "iMPORTED" [Not-Made or Prophecied in Sweet Sweet U.S.A.) Pre-Apocalyptic 'Cottage-Religions" and competing religilous's in U.S. of A., not non-religio Industry's, NOW!!

Deport ALL of the VATICAN 'PRE-APOCALYPTIC POLY-THEO Catholic Roman Empire "PEDAPHILE/HOMOSEXUAL-PRIESTS/BISHOPS/CARDINALS" & their SuperStupidStitious Man-Made (not genuine HOLY-COSMIC ECLATi made SYSTEM ) back overseas from whence they illegally Imported their 'CURSE & SIN(s)' into older U.S.A., but no longer into the "New APOCALYPTIC-AMERICA-NATiON" U.S.A of 100 States!!!!

Note: This is the E*C*L*A*T*i-ON Prophecy! Please do not be in denial to self nor others! Tonks!

VOTE: DEPORT ALL, Not-Made-IN-A*M*E*R*i*C*A, PRE-APOCALYPTIC old-time iMPORTED Religions, Not MEXICANS!

INstead Unite MEXICO w/U.S.A for an Additional 10 States!!! As a Matter of fact, VOTE to Merge & Absorb All AMERICA upto & No Further than PANAMMA, ironically John McCAINS "Birth Place! "Imagine" (john Lennon; pbuh) 100 U.S. States?

Then We can Say Good bye Middle East & Good Ridence!!!

Important: The Chinese Zionist {MAO's et al} are in Mexico too & populated Mexico 10-fold in last 10 Years! Remember, the Chinese want to POISON Americano's Minds via their Dangerous/un-Healthy Products!!! So They [Chinese Atheistic/Zionists] must be kicked-out of there ASAP! Ya Ya!

Trivia: Did ye knowth that Senator , wanabe Prez John McCain is a 'Dual Citizen of Panama & USA?

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Shame Shame John & Cindy McCAIN!! Kennedy's too!

So: Vote: Deport John McCain all the way back to Panama, "NOT" hard working Mexican(s) et al YEA!

Ya Ya Yo Yo!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton МИР,평화, 和平:

HELLO APOCALYPTIC-100-STATES-NATION, Sweet sweet U.S. of A.'s!

voto "HiLLARY Clinton" para el presidente ahora!

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Our character is forged by what living prophets teach and the spirit of God then testifies to... therefore - we as a Church, are bound together in a unity of faith that is incomparable in any other society or culture, in the entire world.

We observed this miracle in the succession of Thomas S. Monson. First witness, is that the pattern is set as to how prophets will be prepared; and it is clearly by the almighty hands of province and then our willingness to sustain.

The adversary cannot duplicate 'unity'. Isn't that interesting -- when the world will look what has just happened as this now President of the LDS Church has 'taken his seat' with zero opposition....

That is clear and modern-day evidence of the fruit of the Spirit being manifest in His Church and through His prophets...

Phenomenal modern-day miracle... literally before the eyes of those who will see..

tDMg
LdsNana-AskMormon

Patrick, Byron, Henry, the modern-day pharisees:
Those that sincerely sit back and analyze personal faith and righteousness in their lives are generally those that hesitate to criticize others for what they believe.
A God that sends His children to hell simply for never hearing His word in this lifetime (1 BILLION people in china alone right now)?
A God that sends His children to hell simply for misinterpreting His word?
Those of you who are so inclined to speak for God (i.e., PATRICK:"We can only hope Gordon, in the last moments when what others thought no longer mattered, surrendered to Yahweh, He who IS God, and not the god he and others in his pagan religion have made up.In short, Mormonism is nothing but a man made bondage and should be run from."), should step back and consider that you just may not know as much as you think.
The arrogance that drives such attacks from mainstream Christians puzzles me to no end. I thank God for being perfectly merciful, unlike us, his children.
Having studied Christianity and Mormonism in depth, I have decided that anyone who accepts Christianity accepts doctrines that defy logic and evidence; Mormons are no different.
That being said, if I didn't believe in mormonism I would most assuredly be an atheist.

To My Friends of Faith,,,, on an unrelated topic that requires our attention....
Recently a friend at our church brought this "film" to my attention.
Her son apparently was sent this web link from someone.

It's a movie clip (that has been recently released, or is about to,,, I'm not sure),,
anyway, it depicts Mormons as flesh eating ghouls, and it is just awful. www.thebookofzombie.com

On behalf of myself and my husband, and our Mormon friends,
I would like to make sure that young people are NOT subjected to this terrible conception of our faith.

please let me know if you are able to help.

regards, Betty Toms

Byron,

I totally stand by my assertion that the women are too worthy. :-)

Too often in this world leadership positions lead to the abuse of power. I really believe that men have been given the leadership positions to try to teach them how to lead righteously. This does not seem to be a lesson that the LDS women I know need to learn. They are just awesome!

This church is not about power over others, though I do believe that some personality types ONLY see the world through the eyes of power. This may or may not be the case with you. I, however, do not.

It is true that Gordon B. Hinckley remained in office until the day he died, but that is a unique position. Most positions in the church are indeed temporary. You could be the bishop one year and teaching 10-year-olds Sunday School the next. What needs to be remembered is that these are both service positions -- where you serve others, not control them.

As far as money goes, well, the women leaders of the auxillaries have total discretion on how to spend their budgets.

Concerned the Christian Now Liberated:

I’m impressed by your knowledge of New Testament textual evolutions and corruptions. So much so that I wouldn’t feel comfortable holding a discussion based on how much more you know – I’d contribute very little. I have to confess that my knowledge of that is limited pretty much to Bart Ehrman & co. There are several other scholars I read, but I’m not sure some would allow them credence because of the university they’re associated with.

I’m sorry if I came across as thumping the New Testament; I didn’t feel that’s what I did. It’s definitely not what I tried to do. The way my mind works, the scriptures are always running through my mind as I approach different events throughout the day. I don’t give the New Testament preference over any other book. My understanding is that the idea of seeds, fruits, trees, vines, etc…. are concepts that were used in teaching long before the mortal life of Jesus. In sources considered apocryphal (yet scriptural) by many, those ideas are expounded upon much more than any recordings in the New Testament, although I think even Barnabas preached the idea. That’s your forte though, not mine.

Among whatever strengths I may have, I hope that my devotion to truth is one of them. You asked me to step out of the Joseph Smith “Mormon-Con” box? If Joseph Smith had truth and was a con-artist, that’s truth I would latch on to. I don’t discriminate against truth. He wasn’t a con-man though, but a prophet of God. I believe that; he was a good man. Just like the late Gordon B. Hinckley who I attempted to eulogize in a way that seemed provoking to you.

Again, I confess your far superiority in the mastery you have of how the New Testament came to be. I think the wonderful thing about the Savior’s teachings are that they can apply to everybody in different ways. For you, His one-liners seem to be rather poignant; they are for me as well. But if taken out of context or applicable to nothing, they’re also somewhat fruitless in “my” own life. I think the more that truth can be applied, the more powerful it becomes. Jesus’ most powerful parables for me are the ones that have many parallels, not ones that you might interpret as being able to stand alone. Isn’t it a basic principle of symbology that the impact of a symbol is positively correlated with the broadness of its application? The way I understand it, if somebody can come up with an effective analogy that uses the sun or the stars or the trees (insert your own NT sources here), it’s likely to have quite an impact because we always see those things. If our minds consciously recognize the symbols, then we’ll always be thinking about them – not thumping them.

I love the comparison between Luke 6:36 and Matthew 5:48. The Savior and His Father are totally alike in their attributes. You said that many New Testament exegetes view those scriptures, and quite likely many others, as an embellishment to impress the Jews. That may be so; I trust you on that, but I also know that “many” is not the same as “all.” When Jesus Christ appeared to the inhabitants of ancient America after His resurrection, full of mercy like His father (your Luke 6:36 quote), He added to the statements He made in Jerusalem – one of them quoted above. After asking His audience what manner of men and women they should be, He admonished the people to not only be perfect like our Father in Heaven, but “even as [He was]” (3 Nephi 27:27). And that type of invitation is one that I hold to. I think it’s one that President Hinckley held to and tried to offer to other people.

If the message of the New Testament isn’t internalized or believed, then it’s probably a good idea to rely on commentaries on commentaries on commentaries on a certain work. The last time I checked the Midrash Rabbah was at 10 volumes, making me greatful for electronic copies to be able to sort through. For me though, even a good commentary is something akin to a good cookbook being a substitute for food. The New Testament holds power for me because it is living, in the way that I see it. The words themselves are simply branches without a vine.

What a blessing it is for me to have guidance in modern revelation – even in the form of scripture. I look forward to President Hinckley’s funeral services tomorrow. Again, I’m sorry you were upset by what I said; it wasn’t my intent. I’m very impressed by the examples you provided; their sources are out of my league. As is the Source that they comment on, but I have planted the seed of His word in my heart, and I’ll continue to feed it with truth wherever it can be found. Mormons never claimed a monopoly on truth, but we do happily offer others the opportunity to investigate the truths we have to share.

I’m not in the box of Joseph Smith or a con-man or Gordon B. Hinckley anymore than I’m in the box of any “man.” I prefer the opportunity to range free, and make the conscious choice to bring myself into the bondage of truth (Zech 9:12). When I do that, then that hopes gives me faith and the accompanying strength that I need to truly grow in charity. There’s happiness in that. There is happiness in God, there is happiness in truth, and there is happiness in Mormonism. And I’m proud to be a Mormon – or a seeker of truth (Jeremiah 5:1; JS-H 1:1). I will doubtless make many mistakes yet in my quest for knowledge; the University provides an opportunity to do that on a weekly basis. But I have hope that the sincere seeker of truth can take just as much joy in the title of “seeker” as he can “truth-holder” – if he is utterly sincere.

I addressed the misnomer that Mormons think they have claim on truth, or are ignorant of its many locations in a blog I posted a couple of weeks ago entitled, “Hooked on Truth.” Feel free to take a look. I’ve seen yours posts around quite a bit – you have a name?

~ Kurt Manwaring ~
http://mormonconversation.blogspot.com/2008/01/hooked-on-truth.html

Now Eric,

"You [too] know better than that!"

If women are "already TOO worthy..." why don't they have control of any of the money? Control of the money is power and men, not women, have all the power in Mormonism. Couldn't women render better service if they made real decisions, including how the money is spent (rather than to, simply, notify "the bishop of all the service that needs to be done") and then beg for some money to do the service?

[Female] Leadership positions [for women, unlike those for some men in Mormonism] are not social-climbing or power positions. They are temporary service positions, just as the Savior said (last I heard, Gordon Hinckley remained in office until the day he died).

Now Henry,

You know better than that!

How about entertaining the idea that women in the church don't NEED to lead the church because they are already TOO worthy...?

Women's lives tend to be much more service-oriented than mens. They perform Christ-like service on a daily basis without a second thought, whereas the men need to be organized into quorums and given assignments to serve their fellow man, assignments that few would have thought of by themselves....

In my ward it is the Relief Society president that notifies the bishop of all the service that needs to be done. The guys wouldn't have thought about it. The women do....

So, why of why would we burden women with MORE service to perform when their lives are FILLED with service, eservice, service, service, service.

Y'kmnow, my last bishop got his "job" after telling the stake president that he needed to develop more compassion.

Leadership positions are not social-climbing or power positions. They are temporary service positions, just as the Savior said.

Where Are the Women Leaders???????

The "Good News" is that a number of enlightened groups are now headed by women, and an increasing number of seminaries.

But churches like the Mormons and Greeks consider women Unworthy to be leaders. Of course, they are too polite to say it Exactly that way,

but in the Mormon Church, a woman, by virtue of the fact that she is female, can never take Gordon Hinckley's place as leader of the whole church.

Even if her name is Hilary Clinton.

Kurt Manwaring,

You might want to go outside Joe "The Mormon-Con" Smith's box before thumping the NT to us.

e.g. ; As Your Father: (1a) 1Q: Luke 6:36 = Matt 5:48, (1b) Pol. Phil. 12:3b; Are rated by many contemporary NT exegetes as embellishments of the NT to impress the Jews.

Trees and Hearts: (1) Gos. Thom. 45; (2a) 1Q: Luke 6:43-45 = Matt 7:16-20; (2b) Matt 12:33-35; (3) Ign. Eph 14:2b. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/041_Trees_and_Hearts
An excerpt:

"The Seminar (which used the name "By Their Fruits" for this cluster), took the various elements of this saying separately. The commentary in The Five Gospels (p. 298f) notes that, apart from "the quip about thorns and brambles in v. 44b," most of the sayings in the cluster belong to everyday proverbial wisdom. While Jesus doubtless drew on conventional and traditional materials, his distinctive insights into the sacred depths of everyday life are best observed in the aphorisms and parables that have no parallel."

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As a Mormon, the passing of President Hinckley has opened a window in my life for even more self-introspection than normal. He passed away the day after my 28th birthday, which led me to evaluate quite intensely where I stand in life for a second day in a row. I think he was an amazing example of the capacity the average individual has to express sincere and unfeigned love.

The word “legacy” is likely to be tossed around quite a bit in reference to what he has accomplished. While there are a few areas that may get the majority of the attention, to me the legacy left by this man was, simply – Love.

In a conglomerate of cultures that are now somehow melting together through the widespread influence of different types of media, he never came across to me as a prejudiced and ignorant old man. Quite the opposite actually. I’ve heard him speak many, many times and read as many of his writings as I’m able to get my hands on. I see in him a symbiotic relationship of both open-mindedness and wisdom - born from experience and learning.

I do find myself disagreeing somewhat with a few of the news commentaries I’ve heard. Perhaps I’m alone here, but when I grew up in Southern Idaho my father was a man who exemplified so many of the qualities easy to see in President Hinckley. I was taught to love everybody, not to be tolerant – but to be Christian. Or Mormon.

Ideally, the word “tolerance” wouldn’t even exist in my mind because people who claim Christ as their Savior would simply love everybody, regardless of who they were or what they did. Or who they weren’t, and what they didn’t do. Love would simply be a way of life. We’d incorporate into ourselves that part of the divine nature that is “no respecter of persons” (Romans 2:11).

Accordingly, I’m quite happy to disagree with some commentary which uses the word “astounded” in reference to his “tolerance.” As I’ve already tried to explain, I don’t like the word tolerance. But – if it needs to be used, then no - I’m not astounded. Am I tremendously inspired and uplifting; encouraged to do better? Yes. Absolutely. But the embodiment of each characteristic Peter talked about in 2 Peter 1, and explained by Christ Himself in the Sermon on the Mount, I believe are not exclusively offered to and attainable by prophets.

I think it’s part of the “good news” offered in the gospel of Jesus Christ that all men can become as good as they want to be, if they’re willing to put forth the effort and wait upon the Lord to realize the progress they believe in (Isaiah 40:31; Matthew 5:48). I’ve been blessed to see the Christ-like love being attributed to President Hinckley in the lives of so many, many other people.

President Hinckley was high-profile man because of his high-profile position. As a prophet he attracted the attention of individuals throughout the world, and modern media allowed a fairly close examination for most who wanted one. As a Mormon, I am so grateful to have had this man as my prophet for the past 12 or 13 years. He was such a tremendous example of love; being familiar with his life made a person really feel inside like they had the ability to become more Christlike; more good.

And I think Dr. Bushman is very aware of the doctrines of Mormonism, and that ages old truth we call “the law of the harvest.” People who are good inside are also good outside. Matthew attributes the Savior as saying that we will recognize the followers of Christ “by their fruits” (Matthew 7:20). John records Jesus declaring that “[He is] the vine, [and we] are the branches” (John 15:5). I think the fruits of Gordon Hinckley show that he was good, and sprung from that most good of all Vines.

Was he without fault? Hardly. He was a man, and mistakes are the common lot we share. But Dr. Bushman puts forth an interesting question – if Mormons believe that character and belief are so innately intertwined, what do you make of the life of Gordon B. Hinckley?

As a Mormon, there are times I am proud to be identified as “peculiar.” I think all true Christians feel that way as morality simply becomes termed as a classical way of life. Even a modern way of life. But today, we all clamor on the escalator which rises above simple affluence and attribute a new “post-modern” label to where we reside in abstract comparison to our fellow-men throughout history.

Where a Mormon fits in that realm I suppose is only as secure as post-modernism is a veritable reality; the destination, and not part of man’s evolution in becoming like Christ.

I hope this good man will not be defamed greatly over the next few days as his name remains in the news across the country and the world. If it happens, however, I suppose there can be some solace taken in the words of the Savior when he said, “blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake” (Matthew 5:10).

There will be some who are adamantly opposed to the proposition that President Hinckley was engaged in the work of righteousness, or the work of Christ. I suppose that’s understandable based on where certain people come from in terms of life experiences. But regardless where a man stands on doctrine, there has to be a common admiration that is shared among all people when a man simply tries to love another. Even if it’s in his own peculiar way. The apostle Peter said, “For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it perfectly? But if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable unto God” (1 Peter 2:20).

I admire President Hinckley, as I admire every man or woman who tries to sincerely love other people. I’m trying to do that myself. One day I hope to arrive at a point where I no longer have to try, because it is who I am. Perhaps that is what John meant when he affirmed, “God is love.”

Mormons are apt to be misunderstood just as any other group who finds themselves recipients of repeated rumor. I can declare quite boldly that I don’t see a paradox between the fruits of Gordon B. Hinckley and the beliefs of “Mormonism.” I only hope that I’ll be able to find opportunities, like I have here, to define myself – and not have it done for me by others. I, too, make plenty of mistakes. Plenty. I can’t emphasize that enough, and I don’t actually think it would be good to do so. But in reference to the faults I do have in terms of being a Mormon, I like to think that I can personally echo the words of Joseph Smith when he said, “Although I do wrong, I do not the wrongs that I am charged with. The wrong that is do through the frailty of human nature, like other men.”

And that includes me, and I reverently propose - even President Hinckley who has passed. I don’t think it was his desire to ever be seen as infallible and perfect, but I do think he would smile in quiet joy if someone were to view him as one who had become a very good man after 97 years of waging war on all that is not good.

If I make it to 97, I would be very grateful to find myself even close to the man President Hinckley was. If his legacy is to be “love,” then I hope I can honor him as I honor my Savior in trying to live a life of love. That is what Mormons believe – that we should love people – everybody. I’m grateful for this venue to say goodbye to a man who has deeply touched my life in a way that doesn’t run just skin deep. If the values he lived by were not good, then the influence he had on me personally would be temporary. But as I believe he tried his best to live by every word he could discern from God, his life has become a catalyst in my own to try and share love with a little more effort, a little more intensity; a little more joy. Those are the beliefs of a Mormon in relation to love and legacy, and I believe the fruits of a life like his give hope for all men. It’s a hope that I try to internalize and share, because I am a Mormon.

~ Kurt Manwaring ~
http://mormonconversation.blogspot.com

Got it anon. When Moses said he spoke to the being in the burning bush he told the truth and IT was God. But when Joe Smith said he spoke to supernatural beings he was lying.

The most logical version of what happened is that Moses made a deal with the Devil and the Devil needed to update what He wants people to do so He made still another deal with Joe. God would have gotten the story straight the first time.

Have you bothered to examine the consequences of accepting the lie as truth? What will the real God do with you? Any ideas? Could it be that those who condemn will be condemned?

Even the pope now says faith is faith. Of course he doesn't bother to say what faith is in. But we know all faith is in teachers, the ones who tell us what the stories told by those who spoke to God mean.

Have you ever noticed the size of the Bible? Don't you think there must be some truth in it somewhere? If not then it's certainly a record lie. Think how difficult it would be to write a thousand page lie. Doesn't the same rule apply to both the Quar'an and Book of Mormon -they must have gotten something straight? But then, nobody knows for sure.

"pull the beam out of your own eye!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you will find many who will disagree with you."
But here's the point: It does not matter if the whole WORLD disagrees if it is TRUE.
A wise man once said that when you are preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified either should people repent or they should hate you; there is no middle ground when you speak the truth.

Mormonism is a LIE and there is equivocation on that. There is no false judgment here. ONLY Jesus saves, and not the false Jesus they have made up.
Jesus is NOT the brother of the devil, Jesus is God Himself (said so Himself), and you cannot become Gods of your own planets and have "spirit babies".
Only Jesus Saves. And Jesus is God.
If you have lied, stolen or lusted the Bible says you are a liar, a thief and an adulterer. And all such are guilty before God and deserve Hell. There isn't ANY of us who does not qualify. THAT is called WISE judgment, as Jesus said you are to use.
But God does not want anyone to go to Hell and the Eternal Lake of Fire. THAT IS WHY He gave his own Son to save whomever will repent and trust in the payment Jesus provided on the Cross. You did the crime, Jesus paid the fine.
But that fine is NOT yours unless you repent and receive it in utter surrender to Jesus as LORD, God and Messiah.
It's like this: The only wise man jumping from the plane at 5000 feet is the man with the parachute ON: Jesus is the ONLY way to have your sins forgiven.
But let's be clear here, the Jesus that saves is NOT some made up figment of the Mormon cult. Yeshua (Jesus) is the Savior described in the Torah and revealed in the New Testament. Trust in Him and you will live. Reject Him and you will die for your sins.
There is no other way...
So take the test and see whether you need God after all:
http://NeedGod.com

Carol:

I don't mean to but in. Maybe I can add to the confusion.

All sins except blasphemy are forgiven. Are heretics blasphemers -the words heretic and blasphemer synonyms? Mormons are heretics. That's a given to evangelicals.

Will heretics that are saved actually be saved? Evangelicals are heretics according to some. Blasphemers are sure fire goners so I understand. Lucifer wants everybody in hell and He's winning big time.

Isn't it nice how everything is all tied up in a neat package that anyone can understand? No? Then we'll just have to rely on our religious leaders who speak to the being in the burning bush, as often as necessary.

Your curious? There's a lot more to be curious about, if your patience holds up.

Someone who Cares:

I have a sincere question. I am operating from the common evangelical premise that once I have accepted Jesus as my Savior I am pretty much home free. Jesus has forgiven me of all my sins, past, present, and future.

And I am reminding everyone of the common premise that Mormons are NOT saved, because they worship a different Jesus, somehow. He is an individual to them and not the Trinity. And this is an abominable sin in your view and they will be thrust from his sight....

So, my sincere question is this: If someone were to be "saved" by accepting Jesus, and later committed the sin of baptism into the Mormon church, would he still be saved....?

Does the death of Jesus on the cross cover all sins of adultery, murder, theft, greed, coveting, lying -- but NOT the sin of being a Mormon...?

Just curious....

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send a check or money order?? the IRS makes mistakes, chek again, hack ss#, dob……evil, evil, evil works. Peace asked?? For what evil?? mistrust, envies, rivalry, indignation, strife, seditions, heresies, hatred, backbiting, backstabbing, mocking, name calling, evil, evil, works done. no peace for those who devise wicked against the innocent. respect desired?? for wicked schemes?? the glorious Lord laughs in the face of those who devise wicked schemes, hahaha, no man receives respect for evil works.

Proverbs 6:16-19 {16} “These six things doth the Lord hate, yea, seven are an abomination unto him: {17} A proud look, a lying tongue, and hand that shed innocent blood, {18} An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, {19} A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among the brethren.”

peace asked?? looked for evil, bck/grd Ö nil, not to put away, obedience is better then sacrifice, asked for peace?? for what evil works?? info. on app. how knows?? hacked electronic device, invaded privacy, personal info gone, federal offense, felony. no skills set?? will train bck/grd fits, jealousy…….evil, evil, evil works,

Psalm 27:1-3, {1} The Lord is my light and my salvation, whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid? {2} When the wicked, even mine enmies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh , they stumbled and fell. {3} Though a host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear, though war should rise against me in this will I be confident.

no one can save, not friends, money, prestige, friends justify wrongs. what is done in secrete back room hacking sick entertainment, is known by the almighty God.

Matthew 6:5-6, {5} “And when thou pray, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward. {6} But thou when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut the door, pray to thy Father which is in secrete, and thy Father which seeth in secrete will reward you openly.”

Someone who cares: said, "Nowhere did Jesus even HINT he was the brother of Lucifer,.."

Jesus was fathered by Lucifer, the being in the burning bush that Moses made the deal with. Moses did a plea bargain of some kind to beat a murder rap -already going to hell so why not. Of course anything is possible with the supernatural. Maybe Jesus fathered Lucifer too and as a result they are brothers.

DECIST Order:

How much of the loss is the IRS interested in covering? I understand the check "will" be in the mail just as soon as the president signs the bill. Hoax buster folks don't charge anything or accept donations -just like Jesus said. Isn't that nice. Not very religious though.

Foghorn Leghorn noted that no matter how many nothings ya got ya still got nothing. One nothing is enough nothings -a lot in common with spirits.

WHAT?:

Now we're getting somewhere. So you have the distinguishing characteristics of God, finally? But. How do you know God is a spirit? Do you know what a spirit is? I need a lot of help identifying God -never know when God might speak to me. Spirit is a beginning but it's a kinda foggy word, not real clear meaning if you know what I mean. Hoax buster says a spirit is the sum total of the information needed to fully define an object. How much information is required to totally define God?

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Not knowing much about Mormons and reading the above essay/posts I'm beginning to think hoax buster may be one, a Mormon. He says there's infinitely many lives lived on solid ground just like this life -that the murdered must face the victim in the next world, just one example of why folks should behave themselves.

Actually, I think he says that's the ancient Egyptian religion, infinite lives--that inspired hell. Pharaoh convinced his followers they could kill with impunity because he operated a road block on the nebol bridge, identical to all three great faiths.

Pharaoh's "angels" intercepted Pharaoh, God's murdered enemies in route to the next world and threw them over the side into the abyss. Several different cures for the murdered enemies of God, Pharaoh including feeding them to a demon named Eater that ate them all gone to stay gone forever and ever.

It's my understanding that hoax buster is an archaeological site aimed at academic folk. I have a lot of fun referencing it here. Maybe we could take the three great faiths back to their origin, ancient Egypt and try to get the story straight next time--mix business with pleasure like corporate executives?

Bgone:

Because He is spirit, God can manifest Himself in any way, shape or form. A burning bush does not equal Lucifer...whether a practical, Christian view or a impractical, secular view. The 10 commandments were given at that time. "You shall not kill" would not be a directive from the adversary. Rather, he (the adversary) would love nothing better than to see the human race eliminate themselves.

You simply do not understand all that scriptures show. Satan has it in for mankind, because mankind has the opportunity to be sons of God upon Christs return to the earth during His millenial reign and beyond. Its all in the bible. Not hard to put it all together.

Sorry to say...such jibberish that your web site promotes is not worth the time to discuss.

But, all the best to you.

Washington Post:

You recall the period before 9 June 1978, when I was undergoing my attempts to communicate with the Mormon leaders in regard to their false historical claims (Joseph Smith, they had said, taught that blacks could not hold the priesthood); I met with "Apostle" Thomas S. Monson and asked him to find out for me why a promise I had been given by President Spencer W. Kimball a few years earlier was not honored by D. Arthur Haycock (secretary to The First Presidency at the time) and he (Monson) said that he would look into it and let me know. That was the last I heard from any of them until, during October Conference 1977, I voted against sustaining N. Eldon Tanner and met with Gordon B. Hinckley and a Mormon lawyer, Harold R. Boyer, following the meeting.

Thomas Monson, telling me he would find out and let me know, did not follow through. Spencer Kimball, in promising me that if I needed to talk with him at a later time I should contact Arthur Haycock and would be given an appointment, either failed to inform Haycock or failed to tell me the truth.

Gordon Hinckley has now gone to his death knowing that he and the other leaders of his faith excommunicated me from Mormon church membership for simply claiming (quite publicly) that I could find no support for the 1969 claim of N. Eldon Tanner and Hugh B. Brown (the official position of the Mormon church regarding priesthood denial to blacks until 9 June 1978), a claim that we all know to be false today.

Byron Marchant

Mountain Meadows was not ordered by the prophet but a crime carried out over 100 years ago by a group of criminals. Those that committed the crimes were criminals acting out of some twisted revenge we will never understand.

For the same reason, I don't like the term Islamic Jihadist. Those that murder are murderers, I don't care where they go to church.

The monument the church built at Moutain Meadows is not a confession of guilt, but a sincere expression of regret. Although movie scripts will be written and "historians" will speculate, we will never know the true motive for those murders.

I believe this is simply the case because Gordon B. Hinckley lived his life following the example of Jesus Christ. He was not only the Prophet for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but of course, he was everyone's prophet. Whether you choose to follow him is your choice, but he communicates God's will for us all.

Much of what you may see as "bizarre" may have foundations in Old and New Testament practice. It does seem "bizarre" that someone who was dead could live again and there are many others. (Temple attendance, Pre-mortal life, life after death, Christ's resurrection, belief in miracles, heavenly messengers, divine authority required to conduct ordinances etc.)

This church does produce some extraordinary people, many exceptions of course, but as a recent UCLA study concluded, youth of the LDS church are known for having clear direction in their lives and to be very well balanced. President Hinckley exhorted them to be their best selves.

The UCLA study, "The Spiritual Life of College Students" found that LDS youth were strongly spiritual, religious, and religiously/socially conservative and expresses little Religious Skepticism. Mormons receive the highest scores of all religious groups on several measures. Students with no religious preference show a pattern that is the reverse of Mormons, offering a sharp contrast on most measures.

The church youth programs are available for anyone to use for the purpose of raising strong, faithful and happy young people. Search "Strength of Youth" at lds.org.

WHAT?:
Bgone:

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Att WHAT? aka
ATT BGONE aka

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul

ATT: BGONE ; You are Going To Be Investigated by the I.R.S. for Commiting Internet Fraud & bilking unsuspecting Donors to your Fraudulant Site!

Stop Or you will will Pereish!

No! WHAT?: Pay attention. I'm asking for evidence. For all I know religion is what God wants. But what is your source of God?

Somebody is way ahead of the game saying what God wants without first identifying God. People assume because they've been taught that was God in the burning bush it was.

One more time. I'll give you options so you can "save face." Was the being in the burning bush God, Devil or is the Bible a hoax?

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul says Devil and presents compelling evidence that it was not just any little red devil but the big guy himself, Lucifer. That thing in the fire said it was God and we KNOW Lucifer wanted to be God.

What evidence, anything at all to say IT, the thing, being, speaker and man behind rock with microphone, what have you, anything at all say the thing whatever IT was in the burning bush was God? You don't have anything? I'm guessing that and you're confusing my guesses with what I'm saying or what I want or something. Like...

The hoax option is beginning to look like the only thing that will save you from hell. However, God may actually operate a place called hell for blasphemers, (atheists are off that hook but not evangelicals). I don't know. Got any evidence that says one way or the other? The soul you save might be your own.

I make all my guesses based upon what evidence I have and based upon the evidence, well, you know...

The answer is easy. Unless your religion is thoroughly wretched you have to be almighty good to earn your way into heaven. And the Mormon version of heaven is more bizarre than most and from a strictly secular human view point probably one of the more appealing. Unless of course you happen to be Female.

Bgone:

So, who are you blaming all the confusion about God (that your are touting) on?

God? or mankind?

By the way...there is no human in heaven or hell....thats a part of the religious confusion (just gave you a hint as to the author of that confusion and those he has a hold on in the question above). Havent you read? Jesus himself foretold 2k years ago that many would come in His (Jesus') name, saying He (Jesus) is the Christ, but will deceive many (MANY..not just one or two).

My advice...Quit the comics, the sheol bridge nonsense, and every other bits of script from whatever macabre you source from. Read the book. Get the commentaries. Put it together. It isnt hard, my friend. It is much, much more comprehendable than the mish-mash you present.

Gordon Hinckley was indeed a kind and gentle man, who dedicated his life to serving others and his God.

I am an ex-mormon who doesn't hesitate to criticise the church and its leaders when i feel it is deserved, I must say that i have great admiration for Hinckley's life and his character.

LINDA!!!!
Mr Bushman was not saying HE thinks mormon beliefs are bizarre. He was allowing that many others do.

Before too many of my fellow Mormons attack Professor Bushman, please stop a moment to realize that he is a well-known LDS scholar in good standing with the church (last I checked).

Then re-read his questions and ask yourself if they might be rhetorical? It seems his use of "bizarre" may be slightly sarcastic. I think that Professor Bushman is actually defending our common faith.

WHAT?: is jsut another blasphemer headed straight to hell. MAD magazine is mild by comparison isn't it? I mean, MAD magazine never PROVES people blaspheme when they recite the pledge.

Time to updated your source of God WHAT? That was the biggest Devil of them all Lucifer in the burning bush and you can't prove it wasn't. So there pffffft.

Your faith is in WHAT?

>>You know about http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul already I'm sure. No one has managed a rebuff of that reading of sacred scriptures.

Here we go again with ol' B. Gone

"No one has managed a rebuff of that reading of sacred scriptures."

Hoaxbusters? All hoaxbusters is, is something like MAD magazine...and thats all that it is. Whats to rebuff. It is sheer foolishness.

Patrick and someone who cares-

It goes both ways--I am only standing up and defending my beliefs while others are tearing them down.

Still saying we are not christian in any sense of the word. I am going to defend that. Every day I pray in Jesuses name and strive to live like him. I study the old and new testiment. I believe in him and all he taught.

"The Bible says in Ephesians "be ye angry, and sin not." Christians have EVERY right to be PO'ed when people misrepresent our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." I believe in doing the same and I dont think it is a sin to be Mormon and defend what I believe. The money changers in the temple were sinning. Living the best life I know how based on what I know is no sin. You miss represent Him when you claim that you are right in bashing us in the name of misrepresentation.

It is one thing to talk about differences and then agree to disagree. It is another thing to bad mouth a religion of any kind and say it is in His name.

All those people you have ever know and apparently they are all liars etc. etc. I find that hard to believe. they must be pretty evil since the dont have any christian attributes whatsoever. Amazing!!!!!

"They would have every right to be angry, and the same goes for Pat. It is clear that Jesus' teachings and life finds NO common ground with the Mormon faith, and is therefore not very "Christian (by definition)"" No common ground!!!! You need to do more research. There is some common ground. There are also some differences we admit that. But come on! You dont know much about what we believe or practice if you say that.

Professor:

Your last paragraph, [Gordon Hinckley intensifies the Mormon puzzle. How can a religion whose beliefs seem so bizarre produce sane, gentle, strong people like him? Mormons would have people think that belief and personal character are connected. But in this case, how could that be true?] makes assumption about what Mormons believe. Beliefs seem so bizarre?

You've fallen into the "faith" trap. Faith in what is the question rarely if ever asked. Are Mormons really different.

People are ignorant. That's why we have institutions of learning, schools isn't it? Don't students "assume" the teacher knows? Does the teacher really know? A question never asked -just like faith in what. And we don't ask what if the teacher is wrong when faith is involved for sure.

Ignorance and faith have all that in common. Have what in common? But of course, the "assumption" that the teacher knows.

Ministers of the three great faiths are imitators of either Moses, Jesus or Muhammad. Moses said, "I spoke to God and God said..." Joseph Smith said, "I spoke to God and God said..." That's the source of all faith, a man speaking to God and God said... Notice the man for it is the man in whom all faith resides. And that man is always the teacher who educates the ignorant about what God wants.

Religion is the simple case of men leading flocks of people. I have a little fun asking the obvious question - to where are the flocks being led? No one wants to answer that question for the teacher has said heaven and threatened them with hell for failing to have "faith" [in them].

Is "faith" in God? I don't see how we can ever say that, faith in God, for nowhere in the scheme is God the teacher, like the recently departed teachers, the ones on whom all faith rests. Oh yeah, Jesus was/is the son of God. Wasn't Jesus also called teacher?

LDS - Latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ.

You know about http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul already I'm sure. No one has managed a rebuff of that reading of sacred scriptures.

Where are these men in whom all faith rests actually leading their flocks? The good shepherd gets his flock to the fleecing if they're lucky and the slaughter house if they're not. Didn't Moses do a lot better after he stopped herding sheep and took up herding people - right after he had a conversation with a God, a supernatural being that lives in fire of the variety found only in hell? Sheep, people same same, ignorant.

The teacher is dead - long live the teacher.

Mr. Bushman: How do obviously intelligent people like yourself view mormonism (LDS) as bizarre and strange? I do not understant people. Anyone who knows an LDS individual well would tell you that they are decent, honest, loving, giving people, the lst to stand up and help their neighbors, the lst to help the community, the lst to choose what is right over that which is convenient. THey believe in and love their God and follow the Savior Jesus Christ. Their core beliefs are as christian as one can be. Certainly they have some beliefs which are off the main stream path of well established or accepted christianity as well, but these are what makes them unique and different and sets them apart from other churches. The fact that they believe in modern day revelation and follow a living prophet; that they believe in proxy baptism for their dead ancesters is odd to some but is mentioned but never explained in the Bible itself. The fact that they believe they have the restored Gospel of Jesus Christ because Jospeh Smith received a personal revelation and visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ is hard to swallow for many. BUT this only makes them different than most but not bizarre. Revelation has been happening since time began and no one questions that God spoke to Adam or Moses or Abraham - why people's faith can not readily accept the idea that God can (and does) speak to man today because He loves His children now too and wants to help prepare them for this last dispensation of time before the Savior returns to the earth - seems pretty normal to me! A loving Father would certainly care for His children today as He did in days past. What the Mormons believe is not bizarre and if one truly knows these teachings and takes time to truly learn from someone who KNOWS these teachings are logical, thorough, complete truths which only expand and fully encompass the eternal truths accepted by believers of all religions. Gordon B. Hinkely was indeed a man who represented everything that the LDS people believe & love and please don't call them bizarre. Of course there are bizarre MORMON people everywhere you go - just as there are bizarre catholics, baptists, and every other religious and nonreligious sort in the world. There's a odd ball in every walk of life. NOT just mormons. So, let's be fair here and let's open our minds to the TRUTH about what they believe and give mormons, as well as all people their God given freedom and right to believe what they choose without persecution and ridicule. Isn't that why our forefathers CAME to this country for after all?

DITLD,

Interesting perspective.

Especially the following:

>>That many Protestants do not regard Mormons as true Christians is not suprising; that is how many Protestant sects regard each other; it is just their standard SOP.

I would like to add, if I may, it is how most all persuasions of Christianity are..even how protestants regard catholics and vice-versa.

In its basic term, Jesus foretold that many would come in His (Jesus's) name, stating that He (Jesus) is the Christ...but will deceive many. In other words, the confusion and disagreements that grips Christiandom today, as well as all the other religious confusion in the world, was foretold 2K years ago.

There are many scriptures that are completely overlooked that explain the situation we see today in religion and also what is to come in a, my personal belief, not so distant generation.

Regards

Anon: By the definition you listed, you just proved Patrick right. A Christian is someone who follows Jesus' teachings....those teachings are found in Scripture (OT and NT). NOT the "book of Mormon." Nowhere did Jesus even HINT he was the brother of Lucifer, or that we SINFUL FINITE human beings can become a god. Mormonism started from an egotistical jealous man who was basically kicked out of Christianity, and wanted to be popular and have his own followers. Yes, Jesus was loving and kind, but he showed no mercy to the hypocrites that were selling in the temple. Just because Jesus is "loving and kind" does not mean he was never angry. If you read Scriptures, you would know what He has to say about false prophets (Joseph Smith) and hypocrites. PLEASE stop throwing the card "you're a Christian and therefore you must be nice to me no matter what I do." That's a bunch of crap. The Bible says in Ephesians "be ye angry, and sin not." Christians have EVERY right to be PO'ed when people misrepresent our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Anon, and anyone else listening.....lets just say you are an atheist, yet you claim that the resurrection of Jesus really happened. Wouldn't other atheists have the right to be a bit angry for misrepresenting the atheist faith? They would have every right to be angry, and the same goes for Pat. It is clear that Jesus' teachings and life finds NO common ground with the Mormon faith, and is therefore not very "Christian (by definition)" Patrick, you're absolutely right. What this has to do with the topic I don't know. Thought I'd just add my 2 cents.

I think that Mormonism is a Protestant sect, that grew out of a sort of folk religion, in which people took Biblical considerations very literally, without any theoloigcal guidance, that God is a physical person, for example, and that Heaven is a physical place, which today might be regarded as another planet.

That many Protestants do not regard Mormons as true Christians is not suprising; that is how many Protestant sects regard each other; it is just their standard SOP.

The Prophet and the Archbishop were good and gracious men but were they leaders? Leaders educate and both failed in that regard. We "pew sitters" should not need to search for contemporary historic reviews of our religions. This information should appear in our Sunday bulletins, posted on our bulletin boards and discussed from the pulpits.

This is what should have presented but was and is not being promugated as required by our religious leadership:

A synopsis of the flaws in the founders and foundations of the major religions (for those that have not seen them before or did not take the time to look):

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character as was Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a mamzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). Analyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists) via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

For added "pizzazz", Catholic/Christian theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven,warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels"/"pretty thingies" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the assassination of Bhutto, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, and the Filipino “koranics”.

And who funds these acts of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

4. Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy talking flying fictional thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

wow patrick!!!

pull the beam out of your own eye!!!!!!!!!!!

I think you will find many who will disagree with you. There are a lot of very good, Christlike, people who are Mormons.

How do you define a Christian?

Definition in dictionary:A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament[2] and interpreted by Christians to have been prophesied in the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament[3].
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So I am not sure how you can say they are not christian in any sense of the word.

There are many hipocrites. Both in the Mormon church and out of the Mormon church. It is the sad state of humanity.

If and when Jesus ever taught to attack and bash others then you can take yourself of the hipocrite list.

He was a preacher of love and understanding. We need of lot of that here on both sides. (And maybe a little forgiveness)

How can that be true? Well it cannot can it if you believe such a lie.
I was a Mormon and had many close friends in my life who were Temple Mormons. And in just a short time of looking at their claims you can see through their deceit. They are not Christianity in any sense of the word. Jesus is not the brother of Lucifer; Elohim is NOT an elevated man; and you cannot become God yourself. Mormons believe one thing and profess something else entirely in the public. The definition of this in any dictionary is hypocrisy and we all