WASHINGTON — Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic nominee for vice president, departed Sunday from party doctrine on abortion rights, declaring that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception. NY Times, 9/7/08

Barry referred to his Muslim faith. It must be opposites day in donkey country.

This would be the script for a comedy sketch in most developed nations. So, God has "called [them] together to race and to win races and championships." The next time God "calls," might they ask him to ditch his NASCAR sponsorship and spend more time working on kids with leukemia?

The "war" as you put it was not about religion but about the right of white men to own other people -- predominantly, black -- as property or chattel. Is this what the whole Christian thing is about? Might add immigration to that.

Wow, you folks have completely forgotten that our country was founded by Christians....Kinda makes me wish the south HAD won the war

So I cannot be part of Joe's leadership team if I am not his type of Christian. I wonder how much NASCAR would welcome my talking at their tracks about other views on Christianity, Judaism or other religions which encompass many more people on our planet. Do NASCAR leaders or Joe believe that Jews, Muslims and Buddhists -- or agnostics -- are all damned if they do not convert. Discussion of Christian beliefs in public schools or government is not prohibited under our Constitution. What you cannot do under our Constitution is preach or pray in schools or government your peculiar version of explaining what we cannot otherwise explain. I am shocked that the Post would present Dyar and Gibbs as anything but Christian extremists.

To engage in dangerous activities and then to pray to God to protect you is the height of blasphemy.

"God answers prayers all the time: He either answers yes, no, or not now."

Which, of course, is exactly what would happen if the gods didn't exist at all. What a strange coincidence.

So I guess god has lost interest in the NFL, given Joe's lack of success during his second stint with the Skins.

Back in the old days of NASCAR racing, attendees were hard drinking, fighting rough necks of male gender favoring a mechanical lifestyle. Dirt, dust and noise shattered otherwise peaceful communities in the South, on heaven forbid, Sundays. Well known community preachers were selected to calm community fears so men could race and promoters could make money. Of course it didn't hurt to have a high school band playing the national anthem with the flag waving. It reminds me of the present political party it underwrites on so many ways.

sorry to post twice but i forgot to point out how much i admire the woods brothers pit crew.. who grew up in the same little hillbilly sw virginia town as my father and close 100 or so first cousins i have they must have had long nights around there lol. i grew up being able to wander around richard pettys actual cars in thier shop and aj foyts indy cars when they breifly went to open wheel racing. .. i will never forget the feeling of how small the indie cars were in reality . the woods brother while i undouted met ihave no memories but they didnt chase a very curious nosy little boy away and appeared to have a lot of those same human charictaristics as jo gibbs or maybe life was different back then.. if you know this little town you wil know that everone at one time had street legal stock cars when gass was 50 cents a gallon. i remember someting about one of thier sons being clocked at ove 200 miles an hour on a little mountain straitaway. he lived but i suspect he took his entusiasm to the track lol and in that town they just went to his house and waited for him t come home not chse him i heard... it seems one of the brothers in my memorys that was part of a cohesive successful team left nascar because they raced on sundays this was his personal conviction he stood on... undeniably the team was never as strong in real life with regards to cars but i did never hear about one of thier sons again endangering innocent peoples lifes with his special gifts..i could be mistaken in my memory but due to an infection close to my brain some of the memorys i had lost for a time are now as vivid as ones that happen now although i can still remember recent things also. God and the human body and spirit can be an amazing thing but they do not aways fit within the confines of peoples expectations or demands.. at times what one sees as a charictar defect is actually a gift of survival granted by God himself to educate people statistically speaking... there is in reality and truth the .0001 % in life over enough time...

i enjoyed reading your article i read it more because it mention joe gibbs rather than your name. i like to see other peoples reaction who have actually met people i have come to admire when i havent met them...i should say here and i feel quite comfortable since you have already admitted you arent a nascar fan but feel ok to pontificate to them spiritually ;-)... this is the way i fell about most ministers and agressive christians who have miisunderstood the actual words of jesus christ as well as the meaning of the old testament and choose to for business reasons and numbers reasons seek to convert people to thier... team lol... i suspect they mean well and do do some truely good things but in my opinion they fool themselves when they try to force a human being into a rigid mold of thier choosing not the totality of what the jesus and the new testament actually says...the only way a person has a real chance to grasp the bible is to read large sections of it and understand context not take a few passages which talk to the individual.. individual... how many of them would deny jesus who unashamedly liked and consumed wine if yo believe the bible to amounts which led the pharisees to call him a drunkard. i suspect thier condemnations had more to do with his condemnations of thier hipocrasy than jesus the mans actual actions in life. but how can a person or a congregation claim to be christians when they would deny christ himself membership because he did indeed like to drink and share his wine of the alchol type...as well as the metphorical spirits and thoughts... why must people accept your words and opinions in thier totality or you have no interest in them... sounds more like in my experience you may be trying to sell things for your or someones elses benifit based upon very limit words or overall conditions, the bible talks far more about greed and pride than sexualit especially between unmarried people the actual bible is very non condeming its actual words but if the preachers didnt talk sex they would have to actually look at thier own christian business calle erroneously i think churches. (refer to mathew 10-7 and a few passage after) how the f#$* do you explain that lol..or what other reason besides insecurity in the truth of yours when compare to other people percieved truth and being fine with foolling your own and trusting the ...real god to the outcomes without getting into the punishment and reward upon perceptions thing. joe gibbs worked with pofessional atheletes who in my experience can be what is called profane language wise but in other areaas be quite bettter human beings in actual practice than many preachers i have actually met. i suspect joe gibbs is a man of great conviction of his own beliefs but not a complete autocrat or dictator, and does not feel the need to bludgeoun with words finances or actions people into complete subservience if they offer an over all positive contribution to what he is trying to honesty build with honest goal and honest feedback which includes actually listening to honest dissnt and ideas and acknowledging the truth what ever that may be in a given instance.. his teams would be pretty pathetic if they had to rely upon the knowledge and skills of a single human being. i have been a leader and a manager in life and at times spitually i am an artist and make it a point to say the "f" word not to shock or irratate people but tto show the pitiful priority of some peopleles morals and ethics whn compared to actually letting ral human beings die from treatable conditions simply because they are poor or do not agree politically with the people who control the gates of medicine and money. i have real life experience far nmore life threating statistaccally than driving a stock car although i admire these men and women... jesus may have some interesting teaching in this area of what happent to people who mistreat humans especially i would think pretending to use his words for thier gain or ego . i suspect joe gibbs has another trait which people who are around him notice and one i look for also is he may tend to be right when time and experience actually happen and you get the result. people will give more than thier very best for people like this in whatever walk of life they are in..gladly and freely...life like sports is bettered i think by what people actually have to contribute and let them contribute.. many chrisians want it thier way or the hiway on things in which i think time and history have clearly in the short term and over the eons as inccorrect ideas and behavior... i would ask them if they have ever read about abraham in the bible and compiled all the attributes given by true phoets not profit phophets in the book they mistakenly try to sell others.. God was looking for honesty not saints or perfection (daivid and paul are my personal favoriites) in humans and it is when the humans play Godd that most trageties happen i our world. please do not try to force the good nascar drivers into your seeminly to small mold paul or daivid would not have stood a chance with you apparently if i understand your words correctly and i would take 1 paul or daivid over a thousand peters nto to peter was not a great discipple also.. both were very human... paul a lot more honest in life and dealing with others maybe. but pllease check for truth i'mjust the dyslexic son or a son of virginia blue ridge mountain hillbilly.. we R naught two brite

New Rule:

If NASCAR has a chaplain, no more associating tree-huggers with Ben Hur chariot races. :)