Obama's pastor would have kept our troops out of Iraq

Sorry, I confused you Pagan I go to church I don't vote for one.

I vote for the one running for office who reveals plans that actually make sense unlike those found at Obama's website.

Hey, Zzim, in the Reverend's world, anyone who 'feels wronged' is really at fault for gettin, say, stomped in an NYC subway, for 'disrupting unity' by not conforming to 'Merry Christmas.' How dare they. :)

Oh, by the way - I totally reject your argument because it is based on the theory of collective punishment being OK. You assert that if Group A is angry with the policies of Group B and if Group A expresses that anger by killing a few random members of Group B (and C, D, E & F who happen to be in the way), then the first thing members of Group B should do is ask themselves "why am I so bad that I deserve this?"

You call for "instant guilt". Shame on you. You should feel guilty.

Hmm... he might have kept our troops out of Iraq. Alternatively, if Obama had been president in 2002, he may have concluded that deposing Saddam Hussein was a good idea. And if that had happened, Rev. Wright would probably supported the war too.

My point is this - most of the opposition to the Iraq war from leftists like Rev. Wright is primarily motivated by the desire to oppose anything George Bush supports.

"8.....and that’s Jeremiah Wright’s way. 9/11 hits, and he preaches the sermon I heard on “The chickens have come home to roost.” Somehow, we deserved 9/11: let’s do some self-searching as Americans and as America. Of course THEY did something wrong. But if we give all our attention to what THEY did wrong, we’ll not get around to what’s wrong with America but will take self-righteous umbrage and ill-considered action against the invasive evil...."

If only Jeremiah Wright had taken care to phrase it in a more sensitive way, he could have preached the same message without fault. And . . . maybe no one would have listened. And . . . that's the risk he should have taken.

God will condemn America, seems more accurate than "God Damn America," which sounds a lot more like J.W's own epitaph for America.

I mean, you do realize, of course, that this is *exactly* the kind of crap we have a secular government in order to *not have to do.*

See where this could go?

The Founding Fathers knew. You have any kind of 'religious test' for power, ...it never ends.

What happens when people do what they try to do about Obama's church and making elections into referenda on religion... It can get worse than this. Much worse.

This was fresh in the minds of the Founding Fathers, and is still fresh in Europe's.

It's not too late to be America about this.

Let's look at this ugly mess, step back, and have a real election on the issues.

No more time to screw around.

Done trying to vote for churches, yet, then, Gary?

I got no worries if we start talking about actual candidates and issues and what we can expect to happen in reality if certain things are done, and other radical 'leftist' ideas like governing based on ideas of *government,* rather than religious affiliation.

You know, that America thing.

Guess we needed the reminder why the Founding Fathers based America on *not doing that religious politics thing.*

Not too late to take the obvious clue to heart.

Whether one votes for Obama or McCain one still votes for the church of political expediency and gutless conformity.

I cannot argue with such a learned and observant man as Willis E. Elliott who said, "Obama's pastor would have kept our troops out of Iraq" and supported it with many sound logics.

I know that's so because he did such a good job keeping Barak Obama out of his church.

Jeremiah Wright for president, congress, the supreme judge. Aw heck, Jeremiah Wright for God.

I wonder if Jeremiah Wright knows God is the best job there is. I'll bet he thinks president is the best job. Maybe he should ask Bush? He did? Ask Bush? Got paid big money for all his help getting Bush elected? Bush paid him with tax, actually tithe dollars? I thought so.

As if Iraq wasn't going to be a mess no matter what we did.

Dr. Elliot,
For once I agree with you totally.

My daughter moved here to Louisiana, she found a church and became very active in it...I went to her baptism into that church which is an independent. Well she is being transferred back to her old home and was looking for a new church. I went on line and found the UCC that will be closest to her...she checked them out and is excited about it. They believe God has not finished speaking.

I see in Barack Obama an honesty, is he a politician? yes. Does he have to make decisions now as a politician? yes...he has people trying to read his mind and put their biases on him. John Mcacain is now associateing Obama with Bush...for cripes sake.

All I can say is..Pray for Obama, no matter what religion or faith or non faith you are...he deserves all the well wishes he can get.

terra...

Thanks, Dr. Elliott! Obama has left Trinity Church, not the UCC. Just because you leave a particular congregation doesn't meant that you are giving up on the whole denomination. There are several UCC churches in DC that he, Michelle, and the girls can join when they move into the White House.