Snowmageddon a sign of 'global weirding'

FMMCKOEWN, unfortunately, you are ignorant. There has never been proof of evolution outside a species. In fact, mutations inside a spieces reduces information in the DNA, and limits the species. That is why there are so many problems with inbred species.

You can turn a wolf into a Pekineses, but you can't breed Pekinese dogs into wolves. Evolution is a false science based on mutations that reduce information and never has been shown to add information.

DNA demonstrates that humans certainly are more advanced than single cell life forms, and no amount of mutations could have created the enormous amount of information in our DNA (over 75,000 newspaper pages worth of information)! God on the other hand can and did create humans fantastically in his image.

If you actually decide to learn a little science, you will see that evolution is false science. Science, in fact, has at its core mainly to glorify God.

If ten billion, trillion stars (10,000,000,000,000,000) is the universe are not enough to demonstrate God's glory to you, then you will always be lost to Him.

Susan, you clearly miss the point of knowing God. If you have faith in God, it does not matter if the planet is burned up by the sun tomorrow in a Super Nova explosion (hows that for global weirding!). If you have a relationship with God, that is all you need. If God wants all to die in a blizzard, then it will be. Those that know God have heaven to look forward too. Those that don't will be wishing for the snow!

Unfortunately, too many people like Susan are worshipping the creation, and not the Creator. They worry about global warming to their folly. Those that worship the Creator (God the Father, Son and oly Spirit) know that His plan is sufficient, and do not worry like climate wierdos.

PSolus

I agree with you completely.

However, scientific forboding about global warming cannot be dismissed as an unfounded hoax, as many people do.

DanielintheLionsDen,

Bear in mind that correlation does not necessarily equate to cause and effect.

Also bear in mind that climate is affected by many variables, some of which we don't completely understand, and some of which we are not yet aware.

Global warming is the increase of the temperature of the world, averaged over all the world in a period of one year. It is somewhat difficult to make a measurement like this, but there is a scientific consensus that it is increasing. It is also known that a gigantic amount of carbon dioxide has been released into the atmosphere, within the past 200 years, and it is known that carbon dioxide causes the atmosphere to maintain heat.

2 + 2 = what ? ? ?

There is good scientific evidence that the world is warming, and there is good scienific reason that the burning of fossil fuels may be causing it.

Merely because it is cold in the spot on the world where you are does not say anything about the average temperture of the entire world, anymore than the seeming flatness of the world on the place where you stand means that the world is flat.

Haufebrauhause: You get your climate change science from Exxon? Did you believe the tobacco companies when they told you that smoking was good for you? I'm always stunned by the confidence with which people who can't even read the scientific literature from Nobel Laureates on the subject of climate change are absolutely confident that they understand it all. Those nobel laureates are way dumber that they are. Lord.

And they think a world wide conspiracy of scientists out to ruin the world economy is a likelihood, but they totally trust industries invested in fossil fuels.

We may really be too dumb to survive democracy.

If Washington gets too much snow, it must be global warming.

If Washington gets too little snow, it must be global warming.

If Washington has a hot summer (not an oxymoron), it must be global warming.

If Washington has a mild summer, it must be global warming.

If Washington gets a lot of rain, it must be global warming.

If Washington gets too little rain, it must be global warming.

So, henceforth, let's stop with the phrase "global warming," and call it what it really is: global whining.

On the east coast, we have more snow than I have ever seen in my life. In the meantime, the Winter Olympics will open tomorrow in Vancouver, and SHOCKER! ... there's no snow.

For people who cannot comprehend how the activities of mankind can affect the world climate, consider this:

Petroleum and coal deposits deep down in the earth are the remains of prehistoric forests, which have trapped in their chemical composition, carbon, taken into the plants when they were alive as carbon dioxide in the process of photosynthesis, a solar engergy storage and conversion process that makes it possible for life to sustain itself on earth, indefintiely.

Prior to the dawn of the industrial age, about the the year 1800, people mostly burned wood in fires to keep warm. Burning wood releases carbon back into the atmosphere that had been withdrawn from the atmomosphere in a few recent years.

Than about the year 1800, we began to burn coal, in greater and greater quantities, and then petroleum, finally in such huge quantities that we are now approaching the depletion of these vast decayed forests. What we have done is released in the short span of 200 years most of the carbon in decayed plant material that had accumulated there for millions of years. That is a big, big change over all previous human activities on earth.

It is pretty well certain that the release of this huge quantity of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would have some effect. There is evidence to suggest that the world is not only warming a little, but that it may eventually become very hot, super hot, too hot to sustain any life at all, like the planet Venus, which has an atmosphere of carbon dioxide.

However, the existence of plants on the earth, which may accelerate their rates of photosynthesis in the presence of more carbon dioxide and heat, and in the presence of the vast oceans which may also absorb some of this carbon dioxide, it is impossible to predict what will happen.

Yet it is a real problem, and not someones fantasy. Science does not engage in fantasy, and there is no reason that scientific consensus, as a whole, would be any more likely to pull off a pointless hoax on this matter than any other matter.

It would really save time if posters would say up front if they believe in evolution, so we can know whether to even go on and read any more of their posts.

I've been thinking for a while that I need a computer chip that just filters comments from people that don't believe in evolution, or basic science, or use any version of the word *-tard in their posts.

Anyone working on that?

"On Faith" - how appropriate. Finally, "The Religion of AGW" is discussed in the right section of the Post.

If my decision to participate in the destruction or stewardship of God's creations is not a spiritual one, then what is?

The whole universe is an open space. It's very cold out there. Without any heat source, the temperature would be 0 Kelvin or -273 degrees Celsius. It's called absolute zero.

The weather on earth is dictated by only one factor and that is the sun. Period. If the sun shuts off for 1 day, all of the earth will be frozen at almost -273 degree Celsius.

Darwinian Evolutionists are idiots. Most of climate "scientists", if not all, are evolutionists. Whatever they tell you, believe the opposite. If they say go to the left, it means that the right way is to the right.

If they say that the earth will warm, expect a colder climate. If they say that gays in the military is good, expect that gays will ruin the military.

If they say that monkeys are THEIR long lost relatives, hmmm, you know that it is not true but it is helpful to believe it coz they really think like monkeys.

Another ignorant clumnist.

Weather is today.

The issue is "Climate" change which happens over
long periods of time. We have zero influence on long term change regardless of what we think of our technological brilliance.

Please go back to school.

There's a whole lot of heat in this discussion, but not much light. Discreet events, like a warm week in winter or a ton of winter snow, do not prove or disprove a theory.

sciencelady1 wrote "I am embarrassed for you. I am an electrical engineer. I want no part of your confused beliefs to be associated with critical thinking required as an engineer."

I doubt if electrical engineers know something about hydraulics engineering. Water and electricity don't mix. Maybe what was really in your mind is saleslady and not sciencelady. Wrong spelling.

You guys can do the experiment yourselves. Place a half meter diameter tube 10 meters long vertically at sea where one of it's tip is at sea level and the other tip underneath the sea. Freeze the tube. As it freezes and water turns to ice, the ice will exert an upward force depending on the depth of the ice. The deeper the ice, the bigger the upward force. I think the upward force can carry upto 5 grownup men.

That upward force cracked the big chunk of ice, equal to the size of New York state, from the frozen sea of Antartica and floated towards Australia.

The size of the iceberg says it all. That global warming is a SHAM.

Using weather to explain global warming is not scientific Susan. Nothing that is happening outside is out of the ordinary or weird. I've lived in DC all my life and remember lots of snow and blizzards. Ask anyone about the blizzard of '66. A man in Georgetown took pictures of M Street after a large snowfall, I believe it was around 1985, and sells them as posters. If you want to see what it looked like look here:
http://www.bollingbrookcondos.com/images/photos_gtown2.jpg

To use weather to explain global warming is as bad as the nuts using it to explain away global warming (hey man its cold outside!). There is only one measure of global warming and that is the average temperature of the globe, and that is rising. If people would just stop using things that have nothing to do with global warming to explain global warming people might be less confused. This article only adds to the confusion. Nothing weird here.

"First off, glad to see you have read your Right Wing talking points. Global Warming has little to do with the outside temperature, but the actual temperature of the Earth itself, which for the last decade was the hottest on record. Now that being said, one of the results of global warming is more moisture in the air, which in turn means more snow & rain, plus unpredictable weather patterns.
Now you can go back to your right wing talking points."

So, when Washington was having off-and-on brutal winters throughout the 18th and 19th centuries (read some biographies of the times), that had to be global warming, too, right? Your argument has a lot in common with what must have been the cause: horse droppings on the streets.

1. Warm air holds more moisture than does cold air.
2. Snow is crystallized moisture.
3. Here's a quote from a science journal discussing global January temperatures...

"The average global temperature last month was the highest for any January on record, according to NOAA, climbing to 55.13 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 1.53 degrees warmer than the 20th-century average.
The global reading, an average of measurements taken over land and sea, beat out the previous record for a January, set in 2002 at 54.88 degrees.
Land temperatures especially peaked at a record-high 3.40 degrees warmer than average."
http://www.livescience.com/environment/070216_jan07highest_temps.html

"So let me get this right... If it's hot outside its global warming and if it's freezing outside it's global warming? You can not be serious? For anybody to believe this junk science now is foolishness. GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM People!!! Environmentalist will never admit they are wrong. They have made Global Warming their religion and the Earth has become their god. Ridiculous."

First off, glad to see you have read your Right Wing talking points. Global Warming has little to do with the outside temperature, but the actual temperature of the Earth itself, which for the last decade was the hottest on record. Now that being said, one of the results of global warming is more moisture in the air, which in turn means more snow & rain, plus unpredictable weather patterns.

Now you can go back to your right wing talking points

If global warming is to be taken seriously as an explanation for the recent weather, it only confirms what most of us have suspected for a long time: global warming is the ultimate snow job.

Thanks Susan, It's good to know that some people have taken the time to consider the theory from a perspective that tunes out the political and personal implications and attempts to understand what the scientific community knows and predicts. The predictions appear to be on target, yet folks ignore that and somehow think that the theory only applies to their backyard's temperature today. I wonder if they even consider what things might be like for their great-grandchildren. Evidence suggests that cigarette addiction is the most difficult to escape, but I think fossil fuel addiction may be much worse, from a holistic view. It ain't just the weather impact; collection, processing and burning fossil fuels releases all kinds of toxic stuff for our children to breathe. Why would folks stand by and do nothing. We can't wait for the politicians to add it to our health care plan, individuals need to break free of the addiction. Not because its cheaper, or easier, or because a money-changer said so, but because it is the right thing to do for all God's creations.

so, first it was global cooling, (remember 1979 Time cover), then amazingly 11 years later it was global warming, then that didn't live up to the hype, so it became climate change, that was too vague so now it's global weirding

here's a suggestion, stop trying to make the weather a political issue

Is the so-called “global warming” now a theological topic?

Are theological seminars and interfaith groups also getting funds for “research” on the “climate change”?

This so-called “climate science” is getting more and more weird.

First, weather has always been weird and unpredictable. Any weatherman worth his salt knows that. Also, humans have only a snapshot of Earths weather to observe. We have been keeping records for a little over a hundred years. That's next to nothing. We don't know what happened during the other 99.99999999999999999% of the Earths history.

Second, maybe "global warming" isn't that bad. It may be protecting us from that "new ice age" the scientists assured us was coming to kill us some years ago.

Around here it's been colder'n a well diggers behind. Bitter cold and nasty.

But hey, just think how cold it would have been without Algore's "global warming".

I shudder to think!

I usually ignore spidermeans comments. He needs to get a job. I suspect he's the suckiest engineer because he can't distinguish evidence from belief.

I would no way endorse global climate change as a religion, or as part of a religion. Religion requires belief in spite of evidence. Don't mix science and religion.

spidermean: I am embarrassed for you. I am an electrical engineer. I want no part of your confused beliefs to be associated with critical thinking required as an engineer. Your comments are largely ignored because you have no cred.

Spidermean2 thinks that cleaning toilets is "hydraulics."

theobserver4,

Most engineers have a subject called hydraulics engineering. I think all those climate scientists never heard there is such a thing. Maybe most of them are called scientists coz they are like Darwin and Dawkins who call themselves scientists because they study everything but science - quack science.

I bet Dawkins who is considered one of Britain's "foremost" scientist never had a chance to even glance at any hydraulics book.

They use their mouths more than their brains and maybe that's the reason they are more adept with language but not science. Not linguist but more to the tune of "fiction writer".

Most of these climate scientists, if not all" are evolutionists. In other words, they are all dumb.

The El Nino weather pattern warming the Pacific Ocean is linked to drought in South Asia and unseasonable warmth in the Pacific Northwest and is likely to continue through the first quarter of 2010.

The jet stream has dropped to lower latitudes, froze Florida and sucked up moisture from the west Mexican coast and Central America into weather fronts headed for Washington.

So much for the global warming myth and the wrath of God.

So let me get this right... If it's hot outside its global warming and if it's freezing outside it's global warming? You can not be serious? For anybody to believe this junk science now is foolishness. GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM People!!! Environmentalist will never admit they are wrong. They have made Global Warming their religion and the Earth has become their god. Ridiculous.

Ok, I'll give you the science behind the big iceberg which broke from Antartica towards Australia.

It broke because of an upward force coming from below because as water freezes under the sea, 10% of its mass must float due to the science of buoyancy. It simply means that water is freezing under the sea of Antartica.

Climate scientists don't know this coz they are all idiots and not scientists. Very good in the language skills coz that is their specialty and not science.

I doubt if these idiots ever had a college subject called Hydraulics.

Posted by: spidermean2

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Climate scientists are all idiots and not scientists? Scientists with a specialty in language and not science? (a linguist)

A college subject called hydraulics? (haha check out this lil discipline call physics)

What the hell are you babbling about......

SHOW ME THE SCHEMATICS!!!!

Ok, I'll give you the science behind the big iceberg which broke from Antartica towards Australia.

It broke because of an upward force coming from below because as water freezes under the sea, 10% of its mass must float due to the science of buoyancy. It simply means that water is freezing under the sea of Antartica.

Climate scientists don't know this coz they are all idiots and not scientists. Very good in the language skills coz that is their specialty and not science.

I doubt if these idiots ever had a college subject called Hydraulics.

A couple of years ago Robert F Kennedy Jr, taking a break from his world travels on his private jet, proclaimed that Washington DC had ceased to have snow in winter, indelible proof of global warming. Now Washington has had the most severe winter in decades, which proves beyond a doubt to the above author that......well it provides indelible proof of global warming!!!

What a perfect philosophy to possess. Everything proves you correct! The real weirdness going on is just the same ol weirdness always prevalent in the mind of man. Nature is going through its age old cycles, and humanity is experiencing its long continuum of age old insanity and delusion.

The real crisis is what these people will do your job and to our economy.

The "warmist" has been coaxing people to refrain from eating meat coz they claim that these animals contribute to global warming.

Since it's becoming obvious that their science is a sham like evolution, what should those people do who followed their advice of not eating meat? Can they eat meat again or should they stop eating everything?

The difference between evolution and global warming is that with evolution, they hide their quack science by saying that the event happened millions of years ago where it can't be examined. With global warming, they make predictions in which the world can see their quack science in real time.

These people think like monkeys. No wonder they thought that monkeys were their long lost relatives.

APaganplace?

Any relation to the Paganplace?

It is 70s in Southern California; we had rain, sometimes heavy rain yesterday, but overall now back to 70s and tomorrow the weatherman predicts mid 70s.

Please come to California and help us with our budget problem. More people means more tax receipts.

Oh and by the way...couldn't this Jesus dude have at least scribbled a few lines on some rock or clay tablet? You know, like Jesus, Son of God, was here! Given that he is the most important "person" to have ever been tortured and murdered by man; it would be worthwhile to have improved the value of this short life with something other than gossip!

Oh great; the believers in a White Bearded old dude with invisible wingy-dingy servants flitting to and fro think man is too prideful if claiming to be causing the destruction of our ecosystem! I will be certainly laughing my behind off as you "sinners" of humanity reach out for Jesus to save you from your own swill!

Spidey, being a sanitation engineer does not make you an engineer. who do you really think you're fooling? Your grammar, your spelling, your mindlessness - all indicate a really stupid cretin is sitting at your keyboard.

Your obsession with this antarctic iceberg also marks you as a mental patient. How much bandwidth do you get at "the home" where you're being kept?

I make no comment on weather changes but consider the following: If you want to assess risks you should consult those who measure and quantify risks, namely insurance co's. Two years ago A.M. Best in conjunction with AIG assessed the industry wide exposure to catastrophic risk associated with weather changes. They concluded that based on claims experience that the insurance industry overall was over exposed geographically to catastrophic claims from weather related occurances. As claims where both higher then expected and occuring more frequently then models where predicting.

Believe whatever you want to believe but I believe in the money. The money is saying our climate is changing and not for the better.

First it was global warming, then climate change and now it's "global wierding". Please.......is there no end to the verbal gymnastics that this enviro/collectivist/statist crowd will impose on us in an effort to implement their anti-capitalist agenda? Clearly, any climate or weather that deviates from the mean is now the result of our carbon emissions. Nobody's buying this load of manure anymore.

heh.
What about the snowstorms that closed Washington for Kennedy's inauguration?
Or the Veterans'day blizzard of 1940? Or the blizzard of 1993?

The reason so many of us are skeptical is that global warming has become a cult like religion, with it's commandments and dogma.

As a clergyperson, you remind us that we are being threatened by the plagues of Egypt, as a punishment for our green "sins", but like the more scientific Pharoah, a lot of us notice the plagues came at the same time as the Bronze age collapse...a major fall of several civilizations, so why believe that reneagade preacher Moses, who said it was all Egypt's fault?

What happened in Antartica when a big chunk of ice floated towards Australia is a clear indication that there is no global warming. The phenomenon means we have is a dip of temperature in Antartica. If it becomes a trend, we would experience a colder climate.

Climate scientist are all idiots because they all believe in Darwinian Evolution. They are jumping from one idiocy to another.

Charles Darwin is a Theologian and Dawkins is a zoologist. Clearly these people have no actual background with regards to pure science unlike engineers who deal with pure science.

Like global warming, Darwinian Evolution is a sham.

I am an engineer and I can prove that what happened with that gargantuan iceberg chunk separating can be replicated in the lab or by mere computations.

The phenomenon means that what we have is a dip of temperature in Antartica.

I don't want to explain it here. I want the idiotic "scientists" to think for themselves why it happened.

Martial asks "Is carbon induced weather change a matter of faith?"

In some cases, it rather obviously is, but the question, of course, is whether it must be. In spite of the much-discussed problems with some of the data and some of the conclusions reported with no supporting data, there are reasonably good indications that the Earth has warmed, and it may well be that it's going to warm some more. What we don't have is science telling us why, and that's an immensely important deficit. We have scientific conjecture that climate change is anthropogenic, but that's not the same thing. And we have faith, which is worthless. If we are experiencing a periodic warming cycle from natural causes like those the Earth has seen before, the costs of lowering CO2 emissions may seem in retrospect like an incredibly stupid waste of the resources that would been better applied to dealing with the change.

Is carbon induced weather change a matter of faith?

"The earth is getting colder not warmer so let's think of another name for global warming so we do not look so silly."

Your Typical Liberal

At least this syrupy appeal to unreason is where it belongs: in the religion section.

Erratic Weather is due to Global Warming.

Record snowfalls are due to Global Warming.

Record heat is due to Global Warming.

Record cold is due to Global Warming.

True is Peace.

Ignorance is Strength.

"Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia."

Global Warming is beyond Science's understanding, it must be accepted on faith.

Amen.

Susan,

Your last couple of articles have prompted results that can only be summed up as "Nasty, Nasty!"

Keep writing. I enjoy your styles and insight.

Actually, I think some of it has to do with El Nino and the lack of sunspots this year more than anything that humans have done. Regardless of whether humans are causing "global weirding" or not, we have to be prepared to adapt to it.

About what I expected - a lot of smug know-it-alls proclaiming the mere notion of climate change being caused (or, at a minimum, aggravated) by human behaviour to be ludicrous. Pretty much the same crowd of slack-jawed yokels who will, when the damage becomes irreversible, shout, "there's no way anyone could have known" and "we're all in this together" and "this is no time for finger-pointing".

The Washington Post has finally gotten global warming/weirding right.
Like any other religious belief, it definitely belongs on the religion pages.
The religious nature of global warming/wierding is a settled question. No deniers allowed.

A better sign of weirding is that Ms Thistlewhistle is getting paid to write this nonsense--Imagine, matching the genius Joy Behar idiocy for idiocy!

GGRANT9170 wrote:
"In west texas we have literally thousands and thousands of those huge white wind turbines. While they might not be the most attractive things on the plains I assure you fellow Americans they are a lot more attractive than flagged drapped coffins of our soldiers fighting in far a way countries that coincidently have mountains of the world's oil, like for instance Iraq!"

Finally, someone who gets it. Every time you fill your gas tank you're sending your hard earned money to Iraq and Iran. How many tanks of gas to you think it takes to make a nuclear bomb? Without money to fund their activities, these countries would be no threat. Come on conservatives, what about all of this national security talk? ....or is it just talk? Maybe your just cheap.

Weather ??? Puh - leeez. I'll tell you what you ought to be worrying about. Jesus warned about a day in which God will judge the world in righteousness, He warned of a place called Hell as if it was a literal place and judgement day as if it was a literal event. He said unless you repent you will all likewise perish. He said people who end up in Hell will be weeping and gnashing their teeth. Maybe people should be worrying about their eternal destiny. Maybe people should be concerned about whether Jesus was a liar, a lunatic or Lord.

when I look at all the snow, it is simply unbelievably beautiful. Everything is just completely covered with a beautiful, pure, sparkling white blanket. It sort of reminds me of what Jesus' righteousness does to our wretched sins for all who repent and believe.

Isaiah 55:6,7

“Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call upon him while he is near;
let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts;
let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him,
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Why is someone from the Center for the American Progress writing a theology column for the Post? Isn't that like hiring Pat Buchanan to write an astrology column?

How come this religion column doesn't put more faith in God's design of the worlds weather. Instead, its an example of man thinking he is God and capable of dramatically changing the climate.

do you wonder why global warming always ends up on the faith page? i don't. its a religion. the oldest one in the world. the worship of the little animals and the birds and the trees and mother earth.

The real reason we are having record snow in DC is because Hell is freezing over.

Whatis weird is this Theological column is putting Man ahead of God.
Man is not going to change the climate - live with it!

I believe you'd have to be extraordinarily close-minded to completely dismiss the effects of carbon emissions, but I do understand the knee-jerk reaction to what is often labeled as "alarmism". This article, which attempts to link the recent snowstorm to climate change, falls into this category. However, why criticize someone for attempting to be "conservative" on climate change? If we believe there *may* be a problem, why wouldn't we take the conservative, cautious approach and try to reduce those factors that might be contributing? Why wouldn't we adopt a more long-term outlook that perhaps sacrifices short-term economic gains in order to preserve longer-term sustainability?

Liberalism - its the new conservatism.

And how does Ms. Thistlethwaite account for the record-setting snowfalls of 1897 and 1899? Her arguments are laughable on their face. She should know about "willful blindness," since it permeates her entire article.

This storm is an exception - God's vengeful wrath of justice for Virginians electing Robertson's misogynist protege Governor.

Not so weird but a good reason for glaciers to melt:

"Sun Expansion

The increasing Sun

The Sun is a star that has lighted for about 5 thousand million years, and it has probably the same amount of time left to light. The light is made by a fusion process in the kernel of the star. Hydrogen are made into Helium in this fusion, and a lot of energy is freed. The Helium will remain in the middle of the kernel, and the fusion are taking place on the surface of the kernel. As time is going, the amount of Helium in the kernel is growing. This makes the fusion process to expand further and further away from the center of the kernel to find enough free Hydrogen. The Sun expansion is on its way - the Sun is growing toward the Earth!

A planet of ash

In 3-5 thousand million years, the Sun has grown so much that human life on Earth is impossible. Oceans will evaporate, and the Earth will become a planet of ash."

We must escape

The only solution for humankind to survive this crises of Sun expansion, is to escape from the Sun system!"

Is the so-called "global warming" now also a theological topic?

Do theological seminars and interfaith groups also get government funds for the "scientific research" of climate change?

The so-called “climate science” is indeed odd.

Hot summers? Anthropogenic Climate Change.

Cold winters? ACC as well.

Drought? Flood? Aphids on the roses?

We did it.

Faith is a wonderful thing.

In west texas we have literally thousands and thousands of those huge white wind turbines. While they might not be the most attractive things on the plains I assure you fellow Americans they are a lot more attractive than flagged drapped coffins of our soldiers fighting in far a way countries that coincidently have mountains of the world's oil, like for instance Iraq!

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Mt Kilimanjaro in Tanzania is the only permanent snowcap within sight of the equator.
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There are many glaciers/snowfields in the Andes along the Equator. In Africa, the Mountains of the Moon are one of four such glaciers.

In any case, they will all be gone soon.
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060417014356data_trunc_sys.shtml

From the BBC

"Global warming boost to glaciers

Researchers studied the western Himalaya
Global warming could be causing some glaciers to grow, a new study claims.
Researchers at Newcastle University looked at temperature trends in the western Himalaya over the past century.

They found warmer winters and cooler summers, combined with more snow and rainfall, could be causing some mountain glaciers to increase in size.

The findings are significant, because temperature and rain and snow trends in the area impact on water availability for more than 50 million Pakistanis.
Researchers focussed on the Upper Indus Basin, which is the mainstay of the national economy of Pakistan and has 170,000 sq km of irrigated land - an area two-thirds the size of the UK."

More weather weirdness or Mother Earth simply in her normal self-regulatory mode?

""Would you deem me a denier of evolution if I stated that life on earth has probably been changing for as long as life has been in existence?""

I might imply you're making an interesting choice of nits to pick, depending on the situation.

"I mean, you do realize, Psolus, that no climate change-denial argument actually makes *continuing to increase the dependence of our civilization on turning limited and increasingly-contested resources into *pollution,* mostly for waste and frivolities, fighting any conservation or alternative energy efforts for short-term-profits of-companies that-keep-tanking *anyway,* *....any kind of good idea?"

Again, I don’t think that I wrote any of that; let me check... Nope, I didn’t write any of that.

"None of the steps made urgent by the climate crisis are bad of themselves."

What steps are made urgent by the climate crisis?

"Just about none of the steps and non-steps the deniers want to advocate... Are good or sustainable in and of themselves."

Are you deeming me a "denier" for stating that the earth's climate has probably been changing for as long as the earth has been in existence?

Would you deem me a denier of evolution if I stated that life on earth has probably been changing for as long as life has been in existence?

"She's not, actually."

She is, actually.

"She's saying that the climate models some want to deny are worth worrying about..."

I won't disagree with her there.

"Actually predict that more extreme weather will become more *common.*"

Do we actually know what will happen in the future?

"Climate *instability* does in fact lead to more *freakish weather, more commonly, more extremely, and more often.*"

Again, do we actually know this?

"And sometimes brought about mass extinctions and falls of civilizations, even at 'natural' rates-of-change."

True.

"That doesn't mean that when we change it this fast, saying, "Oh, this happens all the time, ignore it, go ahead, it's not our fault, keep making it worse, how's my Big Oil investment doing?...is a wise thing to do.""

Hmmm... I don't think that I actually wrote that; let me check... still checking... still checking... Nope, I did not write that.

I mean, you do realize, Psolus, that no climate change-denial argument actually makes *continuing to increase the dependence of our civilization on turning limited and increasingly-contested resources into *pollution,* mostly for waste and frivolities, fighting any conservation or alternative energy efforts for short-term-profits of-companies that-keep-tanking *anyway,* *....any kind of good idea?

None of the steps made urgent by the climate crisis are bad of themselves. Just about none of the steps and non-steps the deniers want to advocate... Are good or sustainable in and of themselves.

Err, Psolus?

""You are confusing climate with weather.""

She's not, actually. She's saying that the climate models some want to deny are worth worrying about... Actually predict that more extreme weather will become more *common.* Climate *instability* does in fact lead to more *freakish weather, more commonly, more extremely, and more often.*

""The earth's climate has probably been changing for as long as the earth has been in existence.""

And sometimes brought about mass extinctions and falls of civilizations, even at 'natural' rates-of-change.

That doesn't mean that when we change it this fast, saying, "Oh, this happens all the time, ignore it, go ahead, it's not our fault, keep making it worse, how's my Big Oil investment doing?" ...is a wise thing to do.

Susan,

You are confusing climate with weather.

The earth's climate has probably been changing for as long as the earth has been in existence.

In the short term, weather usually changes daily, and in the long term, it is affected by the changes in the climate.

Climatology is a complicated subject; too complicated for most people who write books and newspaper articles to understand.

""Mt Kilimanjaro in Tanzania is the only permanent snowcap within sight of the equator.""

Unfortunately, that permanence is... Proving less than permanent, just lately.

Maybe not so weird considering the following:
www.funshun.com/

"The largest piece of ice to fall to earth was an ice block 6 meters (20 ft) across that fell in Scotland on 13 August 1849.

The largest hailstone recorded fell on 14 April 1986 in Bangladesh weighing 1kg (2.25lbs). The hailstorm reportedly killed 92 people.

The largest snowflakes in the world fell across Fort Keogh in Montana (USA) on 28 January 1887.

Mt Kilimanjaro in Tanzania is the only permanent snowcap within sight of the equator.

Permanent snow and ice cover about 12% (21 million square km's) of the Earth's land surface. 80% of the world's fresh water is locked up as ice or snow.

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In January 2000, Spain came under attack from an unknown assailant. Giant chunks of ice dropped from cloudless skies and crushed car hoods, punched through rooftops and windshields, and slammed into the shoulder of an elderly woman. In a 10-day period, 15 basketball-sized ice balls weighing up to 8 pounds pelted southern Spain.

The Summer That Never Showed

Weather can be affected by other events on Earth. Sometimes, if there is a large volcanic eruption, particles of ash and gases may block the sun in parts of the world, causing colder winters and cooler summers, even in places thousands of miles away. This happened in 1815, when the Tambora volcano erupted in Indonesia, bringing snow and frosts to parts of New England in June, July, and August of 1816."

It is fitting that the Washington Post would relegate global warming to its "Faith" blog, given that only a religious-like fervor could produce the sort of delusional denial exhibited in this blog post.

It is also fitting that the author should accuse those that refuse to see global warming in the mountains of snow around them of 'willful blindness.' This is classic projection. There is no dispute that the "average global temperature" has not gone up in the last several years, casting doubt on the computer models and alarmism that goes hand in hand with global warming hysteria. Yet the author refuses to acnowledge this simple fact.

Moreover, the scandal that has engulfed the UN's research institute is a huge story in Europe, though it is willfuly ignored by the U.S. media. Recent polls shows large majorities in Europe and the U.S. are increasingly opposed to the global warming agenda -- I suppose they are all blind and only Susan is able to see the pure light of truth as she travels along the inreasingly "narrow road" of global warming spiritualism.

And it is fitting that global warming alarmists now see the need to revise their terminology. Wait, we didn't actually mean 'warming', it can be cooling, raining, snowing, hail, hurricanes -- really any change at all. Can you believe it? Weather changes! We really need to do something about that.

I picture Susan giving speeches in the twilight years of the flat earth society, explaining that flat could really mean, flat, round, oval, bending ever so slightly -- that these are all actually consistent with her thesis: "Oh ye of little faith," she preaches. "Oh ye are willfully blind to the true path of light. When will you finaly see?" "Wait -- Columbus? How did you hear about that? We haven't reported that yet!"

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