Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite
Professor, Chicago Theological Seminary

Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite

Former president of Chicago Theological Seminary (1998-2008), Thistlethwaite is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.

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Cult of Cruelty

A Baltimore mother accused of joining a cult and starving her child says she was acting on her religious beliefs. What's the difference between extreme religious conviction and delusion? Between a religion and a cult?

The difference between religious conviction, even extreme religious conviction, and delusion is the pain. If you stick with the actual pain caused by this cult's beliefs, or the pain caused by any religious belief system, you'll have a pretty reliable guide to what is from God and what is just plain cruelty.

Denying food and water to a 16-month-old boy because he did not say "Amen" at mealtimes? What does it take for a mother to be willing to go along with that order? Imagine the crying of the child for the first few days, until he became too weak to even cry. Imagine seeing his pain from hunger and doing nothing. But the greatest cruelty came from denying him water as well. He most likely died of thirst, as those who are denied water die far more quickly than those who are denied food. Dying from deprivation of both food and water is considered one of the cruelest ways to die.

Cruelty is extreme indifference to suffering and even pleasure in inflicting suffering. At the root of this terrible act is a depraved indifference to the life of this little boy. In addition, the cult leader herself demonstrated the other aspect of cruelty, the exercise of power over someone who is weaker, in this case, over the mother in convincing her to kill her child. It is the very definition of cruelty.

Stay with the pain. Feel that child's pain and the mother's terribly distorted beliefs and you will have a pretty reliable guide to the difference between delusion and religious conviction.

The Dalai Lama teaches that compassion is at the heart of religious conviction. "My message is the practice of compassion, love and kindness...Basically, universal responsibility is the feeling for other people's suffering just as we feel our own."

The Apostle Paul gives a useful guide for how to tell true religion from false, and his view is not all that different from the Dalai Lama's. In Galatians 5, Paul writes about how you can tell whether the spirit of your religious faith is from God or not. "The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control."

Love and kindness make both lists of both religious leaders, centuries apart in time and from different religions.

Organized religion or fringe cult, it's love and kindness that define the fruits of true religious faith. When you have pain, suffering and systematic cruelty, you are deluding yourself into thinking such things have anything to do with true faith.

Sadly enough, we find a lot of cruelty not only in fringe cults, but also in organized religion. But it doesn't matter. Cruelty is cruelty. If there is no love and kindness, there is no true spirit in the religious belief.

Psychological or physical, pain is a very reliable guide to what is spiritual and what is not.


By Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite  |  March 31, 2009; 7:06 PM ET
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Susan,

in essence:

When you love your neighbor its religion.
When you starve your children its delusion.

Well said.

Posted by: themoderate | April 7, 2009 9:24 PM
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Susan:

"What's the difference between extreme religious conviction and delusion?"

Religion is when you love your neighbor.
Delusion is when you starve your children.

Well said.

Posted by: themoderate | April 7, 2009 9:20 PM
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Tribal instinct is a basic human tendency and the ability to dehumanize and kill the "other" is a base upon which unspeakable cruelty to fellow inhabitants of this planet has been built. It does not follow a religion/cult fault line. It is and has been a feature of many mainline religions.

What is mind boggling here is that it has been practiced on a mother's child, her own flesh and blood but what is the religion of any number of demonic fathers who have killed their family and themselves? Doesn't the act of murder/suicide violate natural law and cannot be reflective of any true transcendent belief?

Posted by: edbyronadams | April 4, 2009 1:14 PM
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Imagine if it was forbidde, on WAPO (onfaith/onreligion & postglobal) to use the words

"SUS{A}N}" {BROO{}KS}" Or

"SA{LLY}" "QU{i}NN" or "DA{VID" "WA{}TERS" or " "FA{R}EED" "ZAK{A}R}IA}" or "DAV-ID" "I{}G{}NATiUS" or the word "Washing{ton}" or "PO{ST" , MOSES, JESUS etc..???

For a test of "Ingoodfaith" Please remove curly brackets in WAPO's Editor & hit "Submit" button. For the Word:

""SH{i}L{O}H" [PEACE BRINGER]. So
WHY would Washington Post or George Town University et al; be soo so afraid of a (biblical) word meaning, "PEACE", Freidan, PAZ, Mir, SHALOM or "SH{}{A}{L}{O}{M}", Salaam, Ahimsah, Zhingyu"?.....?.. Testing testing:

"HUE{-}MATES"
"JO{}K}{T}AN" [The UNITED Anscestors]
{WE [i] Cometh from This Father/Mother EBERu line} hence [i] WE; US? are innately evolved as "HUEMATES" not as HUMAN anymore. As Prophecy: WE [i] Removeth the "Scepter & the Rod.. from Both hand & between King DAVID's realm who are "P{E}{L}E{G"ians [The DIVIDED Ancestors]. WE Reverseth the DRUNKIN NOAH [racist] CURSETH/SINETH preposterous Story of Moses & his Jealoused Co., And So
INSTEAD of god, replaced "ITSELF" w/the knowledge of "IT" via the Holyi Cosmic "MELCHIZEDEK PEACE-BLESSING" & more "Good TiDINGS"!

Testing Testing:

"P{E}{L}E{G"
[Means the "DIVIDED" Eber/ABRAHAMICs branch/splinter, Isaac, Ishamael, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Esau, Jesus, includes Muhammad Folks, Mormons too etc.., as their Lineage/Anscestor (NOT OUR's, Never! or unlike US HUEMATE-arians of that Holyi Cosmic NEBULA awared "IT"s (G-D) Naturally Selected , aka, Chosen, "JO{}K}{T}AN"ian) EBERu race!


WOW! WHY WAPO???????????? WHO {Sect?, Cult?, Preacher, Editor, Moderator(s) , Mormon, Evangelousical? , rick Warren? Chuck Colson? etc..} is Behind This Blatant 1st Amendment Violation & Anti Public-Internet DEVILISH/EVIL Censorings???

Wow! Please WAPO & Co., stop Jealously Blocking OUR, not your, Intellectual works about the "IT" [G-D doing work & becoming what one is becoming] And then Borrow for Ye gains or Withholding such whiteboarding hard work from its genuine Authors!?

Posted by: INGOODFAITH | April 4, 2009 12:02 PM
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Denying a defenseless, helpless child who could not speak the word, 'Amen' after a prayer is not only cruel and unusual punishment but the most heartless and obviously indecent thing a person, caretaker, or parent could do. There is no denying that this was and is the precipitating act that brought about this defenseless child's death.
How to punish someone who, in the fits of religious fervor, causes their own child's death is another matter. Are we to judge harshly the mother or are we to prosecute the person who in all likelihood was the precipitate cause of this act? the leader of the cult, who made this woman, punish her child in this manner.
I cannot absolve the mother of responsibility for her own actions, yet in a weak-minded state, such as those who are cultivated for their weak minds by cults, the leader of the cult or person above the mother in the cult should have a reasonable
expectation of culpability for their actions as well.
Please make sure that the precipitating factors are included in the move to judge this mother and the cult leader.

Posted by: journeyer58 | April 3, 2009 9:52 AM
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Well, I mean to say I don't know what else to say but you don't invoke the Furies on hearsay.

Posted by: Paganplace | April 2, 2009 3:31 PM
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"Denying food and water to a 16-month-old boy because he did not say "Amen" at mealtimes?"

My. Goddess. Thanks, dubiously, for making *that* real, Professor.


" What does it take for a mother to be willing to go along with that order? "

That's the real problem, isn't it? Words. Fears. Chains.

Frankly, if the word were really in my vocabulary, I'd call *that* an abomination. A profanation of motherhood itself.

"Cruelty is extreme indifference to suffering and even pleasure in inflicting suffering"

The scary thing is some beliefs claim it's 'tough love' or 'good for the soul.'

Then go calling *not* believing that 'child abuse.'

People do this kind of thing... Too much. Call it 'exorcism,' or 'spiritual warfare...' Hel, go to Texas and a 'church' can't be sued for torturing someone to death...

It's madness.

Don't know what to say about that, right now.

Posted by: Paganplace | April 2, 2009 3:07 PM
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I really enjoyed reading this! I do have a question, though. What you refer to as "pain"... do you mean all pain, such as emotional, psychological, and mental pain as well as physical? They can be just as damaging as physical pain.

If so, being dilusional, could extend to some strict fundamentalist sects of Christianty, Islam, Judaism, Hindusim, etc., which I feel indeed are extremely dilusional. They have strict rules for how one lives, and what role you play in life depending on gender, not indivisual skills or talents. Not being permited to be yourself can inflict tremendous pain. Also, when one believes that their faith is the only way of thinking, that faith can be dangerous, as evident in the many wars, terroristic attacks, and other extreme acts that were commited in the name of "God".

Posted by: jromaniello | April 2, 2009 2:57 PM
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