Amen Chorus at the DNC

love needs time
and all you need is love
love is doing
is healing the wounds of the day
is drying the tears of the way
is helping to fly
to reach the higher sky
to sing the song of the smile in the eye

No wish for the flying fish
Let them fly
Let them pass by
Strong and high
Let them fly
Without an additional wish
for the high flying fish

I owe you the sun in the night
The moon in the ligth
I owe you the fish in the sea
The doves in the sky
They are flying high

Love goes up and down
Over all hills
Over the land in green and blue
Motivating all your talents and skills
Enligthening the smiles in the heart of you

I can understand the logic of anyone who is against

Death Penalty

Unjust War

Abortion

But it is complete religious hypocrisy to make a show of being against the death penalty and war, while actively or passively claiming that the right to abort a child growing in the womb is only about a woman's right and has nothing to do with the right of life of an innocent, voicelss, defenseless child in the womb of its mother.

A nonsense theory of ensoulment has been invented to justify abortion.

write and white me
words are waiting
in the middle of the day
write and stay
keep the way
keep your home in the heart
keep the happiness in your smile
smile with your heart
get the golden, peaceful start

Forgiveness is the key for you and me
I will, you will, we will ...
It gives back trust and we are set free

Not to forgive is no path for you and me
I will, you will, we will ...
We need this key of the hearts to see

I stand before you with eyes to earth
and heart to heaven
to be forgiven
divined and animated driven
for surviving and living
praying for peace and wisdom
with every breath of the soul
to gather the pieces and piscis
for and as a whole

I don't understand why they have one interfaith service. Gathering Christians, Jews, Muslims, Bhuddists, Hindus, and all the many other faiths into one service really isn't a worship service. It's just an assembly of people in support of the government's First Amendment.

The First Amendment is a great thing, no doubt. Why not recognize it as such, but not call a huge gathering of people from all faiths to an interfaith worship service.

It is, after all, the First Amendment that permits individual worship services by people of all different faiths. So why must they worship together?

They could just show support for a right recognized by our government and worship as they usually do within their own traditions.

Who ARE all you people?!! And how can you be so blind on this issue? It's not so much what capital punishment does to its victims, it's what it does to us! Sad to say, many of us DO think that violence is the solution to our problems, and that gets us into the strange position of killing people to stop people from killing each other (not to mention invading other countries)... like we destroyed villages in Viet Nam "in order to save them."

The death penalty is administered in a racist way, it inevitably results in killing some innocent people, and it doesn't deter the crime of murder.

It DOES get those juices of righteous indignation flowing though, doesn't it?

Violence against the unborn is unjust, and is even more of a crime against humanity than the death penalty...but that won't sell movie rights.

Does abortion count as human rights issue, for the child growing in the womb of its mother who created that life in the first place?

OK politicians don

The more the liberals abort
The greater is their retort
That their sin is in their brothers
Projection here is the 'mother'
Of screams, howls, and angry rhetoric of every sort.

Why don't they change the name of the OnFaith blog to "Liberal Opinions That Have Something to do with Religion"

That would be more honest.

Yay! Another partisan liberal columnist hijacking the subject to give us another tired partisan attack on Bush.

The Post is a joke.

From some of the comments posted, it would seem the conservatives have cornered the market on smug sanctimony.

Let me paraphrase from someone you conservatives purport to admire: 'Take the mote from your own eye, then you can help your neighbor remove the speck from his eye.'

Typical! All about generalities and such.

Why don't they talk, for example, about promiscuous sex on tv, movies, magazines, books, plays and the careless tolerance and acceptance of promiscuous sex by liberals and Democrats in the lives of the most vulnerable; the poor, the uneducated, the African-American community, among many minorities, and now even among children?

What about the outcomes of such tolerance and acceptance of promiscuous sex; aids, single and poor mothers, children with absent fathers, abortions and all the problems that come with those conditions such as school drop-outs, poverty, crimes and incarceration by the millions?

But to focus on such a sinful issue as promiscuous sex and its acceptance and tolerance by liberals and Democrats would put the spotlight on the individual. And among liberals and Democrats the belief is that the common "individual" is not capable of responsibility and self-control. That is why they prefer nanny-government, a form of politics where the elites take care of those who they believe are incapable of taking care of themselves.

It makes them feel sooooo good about themselves.
Sorta godlike.

Sister Helen Prejean is naive. I would love to live in a peaceful utopia right here and right now. But that is not reality. Were we supposed to supposed to put leis around Hitler's neck to show him that he was being a very bad boy? Are we supposed to tell killers and rapists, "You better not do that or we'll put you time-out for a whole hour and there will be no recess for a whole week." I think not. That's not the world we live in.

ANONYMOUS, Your point is valid. I agree that people who are without a doubt guilty of murder - and known to be - have to be dealt with. It's society's need to stop them.

As I said, either kill all the prisoners, or none, your reasoning about "reasonable doubt" is valid. We really don't know what's in another person's heart/mind. That's why the biblical interdiction against judging. "Judge not that ye be not judged."

Juries are incompetent. We're unable to see the "whole truth" in any courtroom. Yet, we have to do something with those people. We try.

"Knowledge" is a word many people use wrongly. To "know" something is to be able to testify about it on oath. When we say "I know" so-and-so is true, but we don't, we're making a huge mistake. "Knowledge" is different from "belief" is different from "information".

I read this article, I believe it to be true (unless something else happens to make me believe otherwise), but I don't KNOW it to be true. It's technically not "knowledge" I now have, it's "information". I believe the information I've been given in this article to be true, but I don't know so. I wasn't there. Even if a million people tell me it happened, I don't know it happened.

To judge, we HAVE to "know". And we don't. Not unless we're there when it happens. That's what's wrong with our legal system, it's not omnipotent.

Our legal system is flawed, therefore, at it's very heart.

You know, used to be, in the Old Testament of the Bible, families were allowed to hunt down killers of their own family & murder them. It was the family's job, their duty actually. People took care of their own.

Killing killers is not something new. We kill mad dogs, we know they'll kill us if we don't. It's survival. Why are people supposed to be so different? Are they any less dangerous?

We make mistakes. Mistakes aren't new. So why agonize over a few mistakes like some death row prisoners who didn't kill the people they were convicted of killing? Should we just accept those few as the statistical norm?

Until we KNOW, absolutely, that a person will keep on murdering no matter what we do with them, our right to judge them is questionable. And it's not just murderers, what about thieves, thieves who won't stop thieving? Do we have the right to cut off their hands? Would that even stop them?

I'm not certain anything we do is right. All I know is we keep trying. And we have to. We try, and we learn, and we try some more, and we change, and we pass down what we've learned to the youngsters hoping they will be wiser than us. Information, we give them information hoping it will make them wiser.

That's all we can do.

"and a total judgement day is a dropped version like throwing stones, cutting hands, hanging ..."

Yes, sure, the Mainland Chinese will pay more attention to the USA when it abolishes the death penatly - just as they pay more attention to the EU because it has done so.

NOT!!!

Don't Know, there are plenty of people in this world who have committed crimes so vicious and brutal that it seems the only right thing to do is destroy them.

It seems so at least. They're caught in the act, they confess, there's "insurmountable evidence" against them and so on.

I don't have trouble with executing those people. What troubles me are the incompetent juries, lawyers, policemen and judges who get into the mix.

It only takes one layer of incompetence to kill the wrong man. Remember that DA in North Carolina, trying to make a name for himself by prosecuting those Duke students. He wasn't interested in the truth, he didn't care how it affected anybody else, all he cared about was himself.

How many innocent men have been executed in America? How many men guilty of all manner of other crimes have been executed for a crime they did not commit?

I don't trust the government to execute people without making mistakes, that's my problem.

There is no such thing as "most got what they deserve" ... it's either all or nothing, words like 'most' and 'nearly all' mean innocent people are being murdered in the name of justice and revenge and some DA's political career.

It's good to hear the Democrats decided to hold an interfaith meeting before the convention. Did everyone attend? I doubt it, unfortunately.

"Faith without works is dead" is an honest assessment of what's wrong with the religious community in this country, whether you are religious or not. This kind of American religion is what I grew up with. It's a much too dead religion & has been for a long time, focusing on ranting from pulpits instead of caring for the poor & sick. "Love thy neighbor" has never been their creed, it's been "Love my status symbols" & "Fear my neighbor".

As for the death penalty, I say either kill them all (prisoners) or else kill none of them. Crimes against society should be stopped, we can't let people just run rampant & do harm to anyone they want, but killing some doesn't stop others. I agree with that. It doesn't really have any preventative value that I can see. It's more symbolic, & retributive.

What should society do with people who can't be trusted? Where can we put them? Where will they not harm others? I can make an argument, a very convincing argument, that putting a killer in jail is putting all the other prisoners at risk & therefore violating their right to life.

Adrian, it isn't the non-christians bashing the bushies, it's the bushies by their very behavior who are bashing the christians.

If Bush and Cheney are one of your kind ... well, then you suck too.

I liked the remarks from Sister Helen, but wanted to point out that they have nothing to do with religion. A secular person could have said the same thing. That these quotes came from a nun adds no weight to their substance.

Since when has the liberal left ever shown any signs of acknowledging God's presence? I can not remember a single time. As evidence, one only need see the kinds of people who are attending this convention. You can have marijuana and throw out disgusting expletives, just to verify one's ability to use such language. Some can not seem to find enough nasty "non-christian" epitaphs to hurl at our President and Vice-President. Give me a break. Yeah, real church stuff there. This is so disingenuous to the point of pervertion.

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I can think of no weaker or more irrational reason to do the right thing than by inane appeals to a "higher power."

Let the higher power be the force of human reason, not superstition. If you need a god to tell you what's right, then you're more lost than you think.

It's possible to object to the same things Sister Helen Prejean preached against without having to participate in the "faith" practices of religion.

These ideas of justice and mercy and charity are not limited to religions - and I would rather not have to hear about everyone's prayer life and religiosity.

Religious faith shouldn't be considered a badge of honor - look at the dreadful things done in the name of religious faith and god in her various incarnations.

Virtue is available in chosen values as much as in revealed ones.

sun moon high yesterday night land and sea see

tomorrow day new prayer love end sea and salt

house and home love and life where how when

memories women poems love city and woods

see the sea
salty and high
salty and dry
full of love is the water
in the middle of the night
there came the daugther
see the sea
salty and high
salty and sweet to the sky

I applaud Sr. Prejean's opposition to capital punishment. However, everyone there was already on board with her anti-death-penalty stance. Real courage would have been to tell the Democrats what they need to hear: that violence against the unborn is unjust, and is even more of a crime against humanity than the death penalty.

earth with water in a breath
heaven and love without an end
fish are flying
and trying without dying
over our land
over our hand
let them fly with love
let them try in love
piscis are flying

to spread wisdom, to teach peace, to fulfill our responsibility to our neighbors ... sounds helpful ... letz do it and not only speak and write about!
letz make daily efforts in this directions ... daily practical and applied endeavors.
the passion of this gathering can give the power to move forward. thank you!

to spread wisdom, to teach peace, to fulfill our responsibility to our neighbors ... sounds helpful ... letz do it and not only speak and write about!
letz make daily efforts in this directions ... daily practical and applied endeavors.
the passion of this gathering can give the power to move forward. thank you!