We All Earned the Puppy

Google - pagans sex college students morals rules- as your late evening exercise.

And "our experience" with the incoming platform? What "pray tell" might that be?

OTC Ru-486 sure would reduce the counting but it will not reduce the crime!!

Err, no, btw, CCNL. I don't know where you get your idea of 'many college students' in the first place. Anyone who 'becomes Pagan' just to escape dogmas about sex from other religions, pretty quickly realizes that they could have 'no particular words' without putting in the effort *Pagan* ethics require.

And, don't worry, it's not a Pagan administration coming in by any means. It's just that *our* experience shows that the incoming platform is a lot better at preventing the very things you seem so worried about, compared to what you've supported.

Bun-un,

You're citing college students as authorities on Pagan practices?

Silly rabbit.

And the reason given by many college students as to why they became pagans???

Pagans are amoral and answer to no rules other than the Sunrise and the Sunset!!!

Rant the second.

Again, the argument clinic seems to have taken an accidental right-hand turn into abuse.

"Confused Christian Now Liberated?" Liberated from what? Moral sense? Compassion? Awareness of the human role in the climate crisis? Personal contact with poverty? Syntax?

The post that set off this set of blogging responses is about Barack Obama winning the election. That babbling bagel of the boiled brains seems to think it's about preserving our precious bodily fluids.

The posters here responding to the babbling bagel are writing about making intelligent choices concerning sex and love. BBNC seems to think it's all about his personal obsessions. I suppose some people will do anything for attention.

CCNL,

Did you even READ Paganplace's post? Of course you didn't, or you wouldn't have made such an asinine reply. Let me break it down for you:

"CCNL:
Hmmm, so the pagan/Wiccan "conscience-free sex, amoral agenda" will save one million womb-babies/year and 19 million cases of STDs/year??

Give us a break!!!!"

PP:
"Yes, for us, sexuality is a communion and celebration with the Gods: for us, that means one respects it, is aware of potential risks and of responsibilities to keep it that way."

How did you get "conscience-free sex" from that statement? The sex act is sacred, to be done with respect for your partner, yourself, and the Gods. You MUST be responsible!

PP:
"The abortion and STDs you seem to have chosen to harp on are not helped by having government act like certain religions, trying to enforce ignorance and substitute obedience for awareness and responsibility."

CCNL:
"amoral agenda"

Does this mean you believe that teaching facts about sex and expecting people to be responsible with it is amoral? Is it best to treat sex as a shameful act, that the less you know about it the better?

How did you get the impression that you are the final authority on everything, whether it be Jesus, Paganism, sex, or anything else? Because, old son, if someone told you you were, they were terribly mistaken.

Give US a break!!!!

Hmmm, so the pagan/Wiccan "conscience-free sex, amoral agenda" will save one million womb-babies/year and 19 million cases of STDs/year??

Give us a break!!!!

See, CCNL, right now America has a chance to *not* have to deal with a President who is beholden to what's really a generally anti-*sex* agenda....

Some religions may somehow feel OK getting along surrounding sexuality and reproduction with a punitive notion of fear and shame and ignorance, with grudging permission for it given to those who 'wait for marriage' to figure out if they're really compatible, and all the problems *that* can cause...

Government doesn't have to.

It's not that they'll be teaching Pagan ways in schools, or anything, but certainly our own experience shows that a *positive* (and practical) view of sex and sexuality has better results.

Yes, for us, sexuality is a communion and celebration with the Gods: for us, that means one respects it, is aware of potential risks and of responsibilities to keep it that way.

If people are afraid of it, or ashamed of it, or taught that it's some nefarious 'temptation' to battle, then their sex tends to be blinded by that shame (and self-absorbed,incidentally,) far from learning *self-control,* they learn *inhibitions* and an *external locus of control:* fearing someone or something else punishing them, ...they associate sexuality with being *out* of control, already doing something 'wrong,' ...quite often done while intoxicated or in other states where one isn't capable of respecting what's going on, taking precautions, even keeping to appropriate limits.

The abortion and STDs you seem to have chosen to harp on are not helped by having government act like certain religions, trying to enforce ignorance and substitute obedience for awareness and responsibility.

The 'pro-life' agenda, in fact, has shown that it would rather have girls die of cervical cancer from the human papilloma virus (which isn't even exclusively an STD) than have a minimal reduction in the fear-factor they associate with sex. (as if girls are really thinking of pap smears when having premarital sex, especially when preoccupied with *irrational* fears and not armed with real knowledge.)

As if the same 'pro-life' people weren't *cheering on the AIDS epidemic and blocking research and education when they thought it was 'God's punishment' against gays and 'immoral people.'

No, this shouldn't be what government is tied up doing. There are too many important things government *can* do productively, rather than indulge self-righteous, but demonstrably counter-productive religious agendas.

We can be *feeding* the children, and *making a sustainable economy and cleaner world for them to grow up in. Have stable marriages in, fear their neighbors less in.

Education and government policy needs to focus on the *practicalities.* People making informed and responsible decisions, like one expects in a democracy.

Rant the first.

Yeah, I remember last week. Not as elevated a view as Starhawk's, high up on that shining city on the hill, joining the young throng celebrating the fall of old evil king Bush and the rise of the new lion king. Just me & the missus in front of the the tube, watching the MSNBC crew congratulating themselves. Around 7:55 pm [pacific time], knowing full well that as soon as California returns came in that the election would be called, I called my creole stepmother, thinking that it would be some kind of big deal that a fellow mutt made his way into the White House, seemingly the capstone to generations of civil rights efforts on her behalf. But it wasn't, she wasn't following the election, it didn't matter to her, she had other fires to put out that moment.

Strange, as I shed a tear or two myself. and yet, and yet. . .

In a favorite old episode of the Simpsons, it turns out that Clinton and Dole are really aliens Kang and Kodos, disguised as the two well-known political opponents. While it's really grand that "we the people" made it this far in our collective color blindness, it's still one corporatist political party vs. another corporatist political party. Hopefully Barack Hussein Obama will remember where he came from as he assumes the office of the presidency. Don't think for a second that the egregiously rich won't fight tooth and nail any attempt to extract a single dime from them.

CCNL:

Learn to read, troll, that's not what I said.
But, then we're back to your creative lack of reading comprehension, aren't we?

Hmmm, the pagan supporters of the 70+million "mothers and fathers" of aborted children who voted for BO noted:

"People are careful with things they love and respect."

Like the 19 million citizens who contract STDs every year??

Like the two million "mothers and fathers" of aborted children every year??????

Ah, yes, Bun-Bun spews his numbers again.

How ignorant you are, Concy Pussycat, how out of touch with your fellow humans.

Wiccan and Paganplace have it right. Get your stupid ass out there and help people. You are as dumb as Spidey if you think that spewing hatred mixed with numbers will help anyone.

But, of course, Bun-Bun does not want to help - does he? He is simply trying to inflate his pathetic ego.

Troll.

"No, just the reality that the Respect for Life groups will have little chance in electing a president now or in the foreseeable future."

Not on a single issue in support of people who ideoloically-justify letting or making actual living children starve for the benefit of a few, no.

But your newfound thing to obsess over, take heart, has no basis in reality.

We're going to reduce the necessity of abortion among the unfortunate, and do it without setting human rights back to before suffrage.

You'll see.

That is, if you'd like to put down the bludgeon and actually work with us to *help* people.

" They however will be constantly reminding us that our out of control sexual activities are bringing us a constant flow of womb-baby destruction, STDs and divorce."

You're the one who believes sexuality can only be 'controlled' by some kind of 'pill,' CCNL.

It's simpler than that.

Love it. Respect it. Stop trying to assert shame and an external locus of control.

People are careful with things they love and respect.

They are blind about things they are ashamed of.

You don't like divorce, look at the divorce rates among conservative Evangelicals. Most like you in ideology, but highest of all in failed marriages.

There's a reason for that.

And, hey, poetry! :)

Yes, CCNL, and every single one was aborted just to p*ss you off.

If this issue is so important to you, why not volunteer at a Planned Parenthood center, and find out, straight from the source, WHY these people came to the decision that abortion was their best option. Once you stop seeing them as cardboard figures or strawmen, you might be able to, with your infinite compassion, give them the support they need so they can see other options.

Stupid is as stupid does, and you're doing "stupid" very well.

One puppy goes to the White House while one million womb-babies/year are discarded in the waste streams and incinerators.

Bun-Bun,

Then this is the First of the Great Mysteries:
“ In the spiritual we are all children, we must continue to grow or our spirit dies. Never stop learning, for knowledge is the food of the hungry soul”.

terra

O Islam, Islam, violent Islam,
Moha, illiterate and hallucinating,
O Islam, Islam, violent Islam,
Moha greed and lustful, womanizing,
Was he too,

O Islam, O Islam, violent Islam,
Moha, warmongering and hateful,
Was he too,

O Islam, O Islam, violent Islam,
Sunnis of hate, Shiites of late,
Even Pretty Wingie Thingies cannot
Save us from O Islam's hate.

Save us from these Islamic FEMs,
Flaws, Errors, Muck and Stench,
They ooze from the rocks of earth,
Like worms of death and wrench.

Born, Bred, and Brainwashed too,
Whatever, whatever to do?
Truth, Truth, History and Truth,
Let it Ring True, Freedom, Freedom
Freedom at Last and much left to do!!!

Islamic violence in contemporary reality duing the Bush years via a partial body count:

1) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens killed, 1000’s injured

3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops (3,388 combat 805 non-combat) and 88,851 – 96,976
Iraqi civilians killed, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

8) UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

THE BUSH YEARS

Must it take a life for hatful eyes
To glisten once again
Eight long dark years like Gelignite
Have blown us all to hell
What savior rests while on his cross we die
Forgotten Freedom Burns
Has the Shepard led his lambs astray
to the bigot and the gun

Must it take a life for hateful eyes
To glisten once again
Cause we find ourselves in the same old mess
Singin' drunken lullabies

- Flogging Molly, "Drunken Lullabies"

Storm Surge

Storm tossed and battered
Confusion surrounds us
A black tidal wave of fear
Swamping our lives
Threatening all we have
Attempting to drown our sanity

Steadfast strong and solid
Surrender is not an option
We stand together and fight
Side by side as always
Unyielding in our resolve
We will win

Holding out till the last second
Searching for weakness
Probing for openings
Hoping to break our foundation
Pummeling from a distance
Showing no signs of yielding

We face the world
Weather-worn and tired
Bloodied but unbeaten
Stronger in our unity
Relentless in our perseverance
Victorious at last

Author Silvlaro
© Copyright 2005

This was written by a Priestess of my group. It says what I feel about all the long years of George Bush...and of people like Bun Bun. That is how I feel, Victorious. This is just a time of Poetry and of prose. A time where I know folks that are drinking the Sour Grape aid will be lurching out at us and licking their wounds.

I hope they get over themselves soon...cause Obama will be your president also, and we have alot of trouble in River City, and we will do better if we work together for the betterment of all.
Bun Bun...when Moms are more secure, babies are more welcome.

At a minimum one million pagans (and an occasional Christian supporter) belonging to hundreds of different cults with differing magic potions, witch levels, lengths of maypoles, spells, and voodoo with or without hoodoo may have voted.

Not even close to the 70 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted babies. Said "mothers and fathers" were the real power behind President-elect Obama's win.

If Bun-Bun wants to try to stop the juggernaut of our joy, then we will cheerfully run him over. And never look back.

Like Terra, I can still get choked up just thinking about it.

Sour Grapes???

No, just the reality that the Respect for Life groups will have little chance in electing a president now or in the foreseeable future. They however will be constantly reminding us that our out of control sexual activities are bringing us a constant flow of womb-baby destruction, STDs and divorce.

Apparently, the 'liberated' deniably-Christian found a new flavor of kool-aid.

'Sour Grape,' perhaps?

At a minimum one million pagans belonging to hundreds of different cults with differing magic potions, witch levels, lengths of maypoles, spells, and voodoo with or without hoodoo may have voted.

Not even close to the 70 million voting "mothers and fathers" of aborted babies. Said "mothers and fathers" were the real power behind President-elect Obama's win.

Hey, Lady Keir. :)

How bout this, eh? :)

Oh and CCNL,

Not even you can damper the Hope buzz I got! So rant on...
No the Pagan bloc is not huge, but add us with all the other blocs...add us to all the other minorities...and we be BIG, HUGE, and We WON!

terra

I have not been able to stop smiling or tearing up at the thought of this being a new dawn. Oh, I know Barack is not able to turn water into wine, or even walk on water...but as a Wiccan I do believe that he is the right one for this time. He has given us all a bit more reason to walk straighter, to look at people in the eyes, to remember were we were at on Nov. 4th 2008...
~`~`~`~
It's a new dawn-
LISTEN to the exhortation of the Dawn!
Look to this Day! For it is Life, The very Life of Life.
In its brief course lie all the Varieties And Realities of your Existence;
The Bliss of Growth,
The Glory of Action,
The Splendor of Beauty;
For Yesterday is but a Dream,
And To-morrow is only a Vision;
But To-day well lived
Makes every Yesterday a Dream of Happiness,
And every To-morrow a Vision of Hope.
Look well therefore to this Day!
Such is the Salutation of the Dawn.

~~~~~~~
The last words on page 362 of Obama's book, The Audacity of Hope is---
My heart is filled with love for this country.

Yes...mine too.
terra

And there's another factor, CCNL: We also tend to have a lot of friends and family who aren't themselves Pagan, but are perfectly capable of seeing when candidates support intolerance of us, and find that simply unacceptable.

I dunno, CCNL: Single-issue abortion voters, even misled to believe Obama is a 'pro-abortion candidate' weren't enough to tip the election.

Pagans may not be a huge percentage of the population, but a million people who tend to vote a lot more than average isn't to be ignored. Just the fact that McCain excluded non-'Judeo-Christians' from his idea of the nation's diversity was probably a major factor in, in some informal polls in the community, his barely outpacing third party candidates, and that's with the Libertarian candidate being someone who tried to outlaw our religion from the military: and he thus not getting the 'Pagan conservative' vote the Libertarians often get.

In general, yeah, maybe the Democrats and Greens can count on the majority of the Pagan vote, anyway, but I'd say there's enough of us that alienating us may not be the wisest move.

The pagan voting bloc had no effect on the election. The following did:

And the fastest growing voting bloc no one ever mentions: The 70 million "mothers and fathers of aborted children" whose ranks grow by two million per year. They easily put President-elect Obama in the Blood-Red House!!!!:

Every morning since it happened I'm waking up thinking I dreamt it all. The world seems a little lighter. I heard just a small part of Obama's press conference today and thought 'damn I can SO get used to hearing his voice'. A president who talks to people like adults! What a concept. And every time I think about it I can't stop grinning. :)

Weight lifted from me? Hell, I was floating around! Still can't believe it. Maybe, just maybe, America has finally grown up at last.

For me, it was when they called California, Athena, but most definitely. I'm just *exhausted* after all the tension, but I could feel it. :)

I'm still amazed. Was it me, or did everyone feel like a weight had been lifted from their shoulders on Wednesday morning?

"f people turn that passion to organizing our own communities and take an active role in confronting the challenges of regenerating our economy, our environment, and our culture, then we will truly step out into the sunshine of a new day, for America and for the world."

New life.

:)

Blessed be.

There can only be one Starhawk, but we can all strive to be our best selves.

Truly, this was the most nerve wracking, exciting, and inspiring election season I've ever been through. Although there are a number of issues that I don't agree with Obama on, I do believe (hope) that we can work with him, and with enough organization at the grassroots level, we can hopefully bring about some positive change.

Just the fact that enough Americans voted for an African-American to make him president is significant, although this by no means means that racism is a thing of the past. I have an elderly aunt who has voted Republican all her life (and has uttered a few racist comments in her time, although I don't think she would see them as such) who voted for Obama. She was primarily inspired by Colin Powell's endorsement.

Since the election and seeing the joyous responses by so many people, I'm struck by the fact that Obama has millions of people who have high hopes that he will follow through on so many different things. It would probably be impossible to make everyone happy. I just hope there aren't too many disappointments. One man (even the president) can only do so much.

The world needs more Starhawks.