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even worse Mrs. Clinton said of the sniper fire." I made a mistake...so what" and this from some one that thinks they can lead...I made a mistake so what...Not for me...

Thanks,

J. Meakin Hoffer
Murphy, NC

Sally, dear, dear Sally- YOU'RE AN IDIOT! I saw you on the talk show this morning telling how Hillary should go to a retreat and find out who she is. I hope to God that you do 1/10th of what she has done in her lifetime for people.
Go get a guru Sal- and suck your thumb!

I read your post and seen your comments on Hillary Clinton. I think she knows who she is and people need to give her more credit due then people like you. Perhaps Ms. Newreporter coming off as a know it all.. perhaps the problem doesn't fall with Hillary it falls with you.

I don't think you know what your talking about. I don't think you know who Hillary is and you should take a closer look and be a bit more positive and your arguement would have been more convincing if you were less negative.

YES, ALL TALK AND NO STEAM TO BACK UP THOSE WORDS... GET A NEW JOB!!!

Who really cares about your views on politics with comments like that???

GO back to your housework!

I read your post and seen your comments on Hillary Clinton. I think she knows who she is and people need to give her more credit due then people like you. Perhaps Ms. Newreporter coming off as a know it all.. perhaps the problem doesn't fall with Hillary it falls with you.

I don't think you know what your talking about. I don't think you know who Hillary is and you should take a closer look and be a bit more positive and your arguement would have been more convincing if you were less negative.

YES, ALL TALK AND NO STEAM TO BACK UP THOSE WORDS... GET A NEW JOB!!!

Who really cares about your views on politics with comments like that???

GO back to your housework!

Sally, who are you to judge Hillary or anyone else for that matter? You have some nerve. The most judgmental folks are the ones with the most skeletons in their closet. You're obviously an Obama fan. Why can't you leave the private affairs of people private. Leave folks their dignity. Judge not lest ye be judged, Sally!

I find it odd for Sally Quinn to attempt to take the moral high ground in critizing Hillary for sticking with her husband through good and bad. In affairs of the heart nothing is clear cut. Just ask Ann Bradlee.

I do NOT want my daughter to be a HILLARY.

Very good balanced article. You hit the 'nail on the head'. It's really unfortunate that the political process is such that candidates have to lie their way into winning. In fact it is precisely these flaws that in my mind disqualifies one from ascending to the highest public office of this land.

She could have left, she did not. What could not be clearer is the Clintons' demonstration that marriage is a contractual relationship -- in their case, the consideration was, and is, political power and political office. Bill's infidelity provided her with more sympathy than scorn, and helped her retain the image of "victim" -- rather than bagwoman for illegal campaign contributions or business deals -- and access to tremendous political assets. It was wonderful cover for her ambition and drive toward political power and future campaigns for Senate and the ultimate prize. Her loyalty brought him an intact marriage, of sorts, and substantial defense against the attacks of his political opponents and his accusers. Interestingly, the "faith-based" aspect of marriage are irrelevant to the Clintons' marriage - and irrelevant to this fine article.

She could have left, she did not. What could not be clearer is the Clintons' demonstration that marriage is a contractual relationship -- in their case, the consideration was, and is, political power and political office. Bill's infidelity provided her with more sympathy than scorn, and helped her retain the image of "victim" -- rather than bagwoman for illegal campaign contributions or business deals -- and access to tremendous political assets. It was wonderful cover for her ambition and drive toward political power and future campaigns for Senate and the ultimate prize. Her loyalty brought him an intact marriage, of sorts, and substantial defense against the attacks of his political opponents and his accusers. Interestingly, the "faith-based" aspect of marriage are irrelevant to the Clintons' marriage - and irrelevant to this fine article.

Thank you Sally for getting to the core.

Sally:

You nailed it perfectly. Although I have always voted for a Clinton on a ballot, the hypocrisy Hillary displays in her comments about Jeremiah Wright are amazing, and they have now lost my vote. She did pick her husband and she did not throw him out despite knowing who and what he was through all of these episodes.

Also, since this is the wonderful On Faith site, I just want to add that while Barack has distanced himself from Rev. Wright, he has not walked away from the UCC. For those who research the UCC, they will find that it is a progressive, open Christian denomination that is often a refuge for those who have become frustrated with the dogma and self-serving behavior of other traditions--both Protestant and Catholic.

Thank you for these remarks and for everyone who has come together to give us On Faith.

WeddingVows?:

I categorically object to your post. Is this not supposed to be a faith based site? Did I incorrectly learn in Sunday school that wedding vows are a contract in front of God. There is no out clause for adultery.

***Did your Sunday school teach you the part of the Bible that says: THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR? Fact is, they probably told THOUSANDS of calculated, bald-faced LIES during their administration. Get the picture yet, "WeddingVows"?

It is SO gratifying to see liberals FINALLY coming to grips with the Clintons and their selfishness and ruthlessness. My only question is: WHAT THE HELL TOOK YOU SO LONG? MANY OF US OUT HERE RECOGNIZED THESE PATHOLOGICAL TRAITS back in 1991 in the infamous "60 Minutes" interview.

Oh well...better late than never I guess 8-)

I categorically object to your post. Is this not supposed to be a faith based site? Did I incorrectly learn in Sunday school that wedding vows are a contract in front of God. There is no out clause for adultery. Sticking with Bill was a personal choice for HRC. Whatever her motivations it is highly irresponsible and Un-Christian of you to judge someone for doing exactly what she promised in front of her community and before God. Without being judgmental, I feel like you have committed a greater hypocrisy than what you are accusing Senator Clinton.

You're the last one who should be lecturing anyone on morals and marriage. Have you no sense of shame?

Please everyone remember that on policy issues, there is very little difference between the democratic candidates.

Hillary wasn't that bad until she:

- Broke agreement in Florida and Michigan.
- Lied about supporting NAFTA.
- Started pandering to the poor and uneducated.
- Lied about sniper fire - at this point, you thought she'd say or do anything to get elected.
- Went negative (3am, muslim, shame on you, etc) - same old divisive Washington politics.
- Wants to obliterate whole countries now..
- Mismanaged campaign and campaign funds

She is no good for this country, and almost persona non-grata-borderline-despicable personality. She has to drop out now. No Vice President nod, no nothing. Write books, build your library, make speeches, make a fortune and watch someone else who knows how to run an organization run the country.

Hillary claims that she believed Bill's finger-wagging denial of the Lewinsky affair and had no clue he was lying until shortly before the first of his botched apologies. Long after most of America knew he was lying. (And none of us was living with him/strategizing with him/prepping his testimony, etc.)

So Hillary was either a dupe or a liar. Which qualifies her more to be President?

When Bill Clinton was President I became aware that the dislike toward him was not policy driven but visceral and bone deep. I thought it would be good for some perceptive author to write about and explain this after he left office and the dust had settled. As I have watched the performances of both of them in this campaign, I have started to understand why Republicans had these attitudes towards them. It was there all the time but many like myself could not (or would not) see it.

She laid down with a dog named Clinton, and now she is justly covered with fleas!

Sally- This is a wonderful essay of the problem many Americans had with Bill Clinton for 8 years, and why many will never see him as a great President---his character. You neglected to mention that all of those accusing women were active Clinton supporters, making their accusations very credible and their "punishments" all the more sinister.

I'm a former Republican who voted for Bush twice and never voted for Bill Clinton. But I am actively supporting Barack Obama now.

I'm only sorry Sally that you and others in your opinion-maker circle didn't call it this way in the 1990s as it was occurring. If you had, maybe the Clintons wouldn't still be able to dismiss it all as part of some "vast right-wing conspiracy". It was Newsweek after all, that spiked Michael Isikoff's Lewinsky story until Matt Drudge leaked it.

Look, it's not that I don't agree with this post in many ways, but everyone needs to quit bringing up Kathleen Willey's story without mentioning that she LIED TO FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS and admitted it when her friend wouldn't back up her story. Willey is a perjuror.

Move on, indeed. Just as Obama has, I condemn and
repudiate Jeremiah Wright's hate speech, even though I understand why he feels the way he does and quite likely, would feel the same way.
But for all those sanctimonious souls who say Obama should have left the church, why didn't every Catholic leave the church when its pedophile
priests were exposed and the mother church continued to deny the victims and gave the abusers safe harbor? Hillary is such a creature of politics--she knows what fears and prejudices within the electorate she can tap into just as she knows that Jeremiah Wright's "hate speech" just gave cover for the racists within the party.
Of course she stayed with Bill, but then more abused spouses stay in the relationship than have the guts to leave--the "folk" can relate to her, "workin' class, stand-by-your-man gal she that she is.

Everything you've written is true.

When will you acknowledge the Post's role in supporting and enabling it to happen?

I think I love you for this posting.

Strange that you should be writting about this in such a fulsome manner. I suppose your position on Senator Clinton's is somewhat coloured by having been the other women in the original Bradley marriage and succeeded in marrying Mr. Bradley after the affair. However, that does not explain the stridency in your tone...

Thank you for finally getting the truth out there. Knowing this history,it is stunning that feminists still support her.

A feminist is someone who is in a relationship that is based on respect and trust----what happens in the home is more important to the feminist cause than what happens in the work place. It teaches our children about self worth, equality and love---- and when to stay and when to go!

Thanks Sally - she chose to stay, she chose to enable and trash other women to further her own nest, I am so glad the majority of those who have voted in this primary have chosen to say "Enough!".

The only state left that can hurt our party is the Clinton state of denial.

Thank goodness! Thank you for writing this. This is THE reason that as a woman, a lifelong Democrat, and a supporter of women's rights, I will not support Hillary Clinton. Mrs. Clinton is a classic example of an abused woman and in my more charitable moments, I feel sorry for her. If she truly had struck out on her own and protected her child, I might have more respect for her. As it is, my charitable moments are fewer and fewer and I would never vote for someone I cannot respect. I am an enthusiastic and hopeful supporter of Senator Barack Obama.

thank you, Sally, for laying this out so clearly. the biggest mystery, for me, is why liberals maintain this strange love affair with the clintons who are, to my eyes, a repeat adulterer and his blindly supportive wife. neither plays well with me, a midwestern democrat who wants to believe that a strong feminist woman can find the gumption to stand up to a husband like bill and start a new life without him.

thank you, Sally, for laying this out so clearly. the biggest mystery, for me, is why liberals maintain this strange love affair with the clintons who are, to my eyes, a repeat adulterer and his blindly supportive wife. neither plays well with me, a midwestern democrat who wants to believe that a strong feminist woman can find the gumption to stand up to a husband like bill and start a new life without him.

Thank you Sally, for a frank and honest piece. As a former strong Clinton supporter, I have become very disillusioned with both of them through this campaign. This "say anything/do anything" to win attitude is cynical and destructive. Her indefagitable will to win, may have been admirable if she was an athelete...but shes not, shes trying to be the leader of the free world. And isnt that what characterized Karl Rove and the Bush Presidency. If democrats were being honest with themselves,i think they would acknowledge the clintons are simply the left wing version of that campaign.

This article gets it right. In Hillary Clinton's defense, it is common for those who are constantly attacked to come to imitate their attackers. She responded to those who used the "politics of personal destruction" by adopting the same tactics. But I don't think her victim status in the past justifies her decision to become a victimizer herself.

Some folks who have had affairs with married people are decent people. Some folks make their money. Some marry it. In any case, accusing others of being trashy is not classy.

Wow. This is one of the best summaries of the Clinton dynasty I've ever read.

The essence of Hillary Clinton's moral failing is not that she elected to stay with Bill. That decision was her choice about her present and future. Instead, the gigantic moral failing was Hillary Clinton's willingness to destroy other people to protect Bill from the consequences of his own failings and quite likely illegal behaviors (such as sexual harassment, rape, coercion, etc).

Hillary Clinton's major moral failing in her White House years has several significant consequences. It undercuts her claim to be a standard bearer for feminism and for women, since she trashed women who claimed basic rights in favor of her husbands abuse of those women. Her moral failing in the White House revealed a narcissism and unbridled hunger for power, which we've seen in this campaign in her willingnees to say or do practically anything to win, without regard for how it hurt her party or her party's core constituencies. And Hillary Clinton's moral failing on the issue of Bill Clinton's likely crimes of sexual harassment and abuse is completely parallel to her moral failing on health care reform in 1993 (her own ego triumphed over the policy goal) and her gigantic failure in 2002 to oppose the Iraq War.

On the Democrats' side, Hillary Clinton's failings should have disqualified her long ago as a viable candidate. And on the Republican . . . saints of Willie Horton be praised, lordy, lordy, you ain't seen nothing yet if you somehow get to see a Republican campaign against Hillary Clinton. There isn't as much mud in the Mississippi River as would be plastered on the head of Hillary Clinton.

Joe

I suppose we can all look for a new chapter in the Clinton soar opera in 2009! Free from round the clock coverage, Bill could succumb to a fresh bimbo eruption! May be Hillary will get up and leave, and redeem herself by carrying water for Obama, to get his health care initiatives through the Senate.
But if Obama loses, which cannot be ruled out, look for Billary to start Hillary'2012!

This was the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Boy, did this article sure get yanked off the On Faith home page pretty quick. Interesting.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying, just a little, tonight, but then that's another kind of nostalgia.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying, just a little, tonight, but then that's another kind of nostalgia.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

Thank you for a spot on article. I used to be such fans of the Clintons and it truly saddens me to see what they have become or what they have always been.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying, just a little, tonight, but then that's another kind of nostalgia.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying, just a little, tonight, but then that's another kind of nostalgia.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying, just a little, tonight, but then that's another kind of nostalgia.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

Wonderfully written...I've been waiting months for someone in the Democratic Party to have the backbone to say this. The myth that Obama is the weaker candidate is "the biggest fairy tale" of this season, and the sooner we can get this couple off the stage the better. Rove & Co. are crying tonight--bet on it.

Tabloid government was and is a disaster. Only Georgieboy could have made all these sad Boomers nostalgic!

Thank you, Sally, for the public service.

What does this vilification of a couple with marital problems have to do with faith? What does an anti-Hillary screed have to do with the mission of the "On Faith" forum?

The Clintons are in a class of their own and have no business being anywhere near the seat of power and authority.

Good article. Is this really the WP that I'm reading? Contrary to your assertion, Ms. Quinn, where was the press 10 years ago? Lionizing Hillary for her toughness for sticking with Bill during the impeachment fiasco.

Short memories,have we.

Thank you for saying what I've been thinking. Hillary stayed with a man who said to the American public, 'I did not have sex with that woman.' He lied. Yet now Hillary thinks she should be POTUS. Should we assume that since she has a 30+ year relationship with a man who lied to the American people, that she too will do the same? Absurd, I know. But this is what Obama has been hearing about Wright.

Why didn't he leave the church after 20 years? Why didn't Hillary leave Bill after 30 years? Because relationships are complex and multi-dimensional...not simplistic as the media would have you believe.

Sally, all I want to say thank you. From my heart I would like a woman as my president but not this woman, not this family.

two words: YOU + ROCK

thanks!

Well, she *did* take an solemn vow before God to stay with her husband as long as they both shall live. Richer, poorer; sickness, health; etc.

I won't say that I could have done it myself in that situation, but I wouldn't castigate her for upholding her marriage vows.

We'd probably be better off in this country if *more* people would take marriage that seriously.

Clintons are very immoral people. They influenced younger generations the wrong way. Besiedes, they were never able to govern properly. Their time is over. And I truly can't understand people, who cast their votes for Mrs. Clinton.

This is sooooooooooooooo lame: "Besides, Barack Obama completely broke off his relationship with Wright"
... Obama didn't break off his 20+ year relationship with Wright until Wright refused to "white-wash" his rhetoric for the general public ... this is the stuff Obama was listening to for 20+ years.
And Sally ... you can't compare a husband to a minister ... one would think you would know that!

Sally: You hit the nail right on the head. You have to give full credit to Hillary for being such a cold, calculating, do-anything politician. She is not someone who would allow, morality, the truth, honor, humiliation, husband's philandering, embarassment, or any other trait from achieving her ultimate dream of the Presidency of the United States.

This is an apt analogy. But what is good for Obama is not turnabout for Hillary. She is given carte blanche for hypocrisy by the media, because she owns them. It could well be that the Clinton campaign has dirt on major editors that they routinely blackmail them with to get the spin they want. It's the only explanation for how she seems to control them even when every shred of reality says they should be calling her on things.

I am an Obama supporter and now understand the narcissism of Jeremiah Wright But this is too much of a polemic against Hillary Clinton - folks can be stuck with each other in the institution of marriage for all kinds of reasons, some not so good. However, it is intensely personal and not to be judged in this way.

This was a very well written article. For the life of me I can't understand why Mrs. Clinton is even running for president. If I were her I would have a new identity by now. Also, that was so true about Chelsea being totally humiliated. The world should know that the Clintons are not above lying about any and everything.

You need to retract your claws Sally. Your shredding of Hillary was obviously commentary not journalism.Actually it was extremely personal.What journalism school did you attend?

You need to retract your claws Sally. Your shredding of Hillary was obviously commentary not journalism.Actually it was extremely personal.What journalism school did you attend?

Brava, Sally. She had the choice, but ambition ruled. You called it just right.

Thanks for the article. This was probably the clearest analysis of the Clintons I've ever read in the Post. She didn't leave Bill because he was her ticket to higher office. It was naked ambition, pure and simple.

America IS ready for a black or female or female black president. Just not either of these two hopeless twits.

Wow! Wow Wow! Your article is totally correct and on point. What makes this article different is that its not opinion or conjecture its fact!

You are absolutely right. She should have gotten up and walked out of the White House.

What has bothered me from the beginning is Bill Clinton's role. I agree that she should not have stuck by her man, not after episode after episode.

What has scared me from the beginning is his role if she were to win. She's already shown that she's a wimp (just by standing by him before) when it comes to him. Does anyone really believe that he won't be the Cheney in this administration? She says she won't give him a job in the White House...but what about 3 a.m. when the phone is ringing?

Keep on her case, Ms. Quinn. You've struck a chord with many of us. And I'm a member of that "older woman" base that she supposedly has.

This article speaks the truth! The Clintons are low class, ruthless hypocrites who will do anything to win. And the reason their marriage survives is because they are just alike - unethical and overly ambitious. What normal woman would stay with a man who has repeatedly and publicly disrespected her with his extramarital affairs?

I find the fact that Hillary went on O'Reilly's show also to be disgusting. O'Reilly has spoken of her in the most hateful and disrespectful terms, yet she pandered to him too.

And the Clintons have also revealed themselves to be the sleaze they are by dropping their most dedicated constituency (blacks) to pander to the lower class whites who traditionally are anti-black. I assume that their plan is to return to their black followers after they have successfully bamboozled the lower class whites they deem critical to Hillary's success.

And sadly it all works in America because we are not ready for a black man to be president whether his name is Barack Obama or Barry Smith. And the media is largely at fault for this.

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Looks like Obama will take NC and Clinton Indiana.

Tell me this isn't racist voting.

Only its ok for the black racists to vote skin color.

Hillary Clinton's marriage to Bill Clinton is a political facade. That facade is the only thing Ms. Clinton didn't leave.

As far as leaving Bill Clinton the man, she left him long ago -- for the arms of another woman and the comfort of a same-sex relationship.

Doubt it? Just listen to Bill Clinton describing it in those same Gennifer Flowers tapes.

Thank you for writing this and speaking the plain truth, an obvious truth which so many liberal older women completely ignore.

Are you mad? Do you have no compunction whatsoever??? To compare Bill Clinton to J Wright? To not mention Obama's father? This is incredibly rude on your part and a non-issue.

Are you mad? Do you have no compunction whatsoever??? To compare Bill Clinton to J Wright? To not mention Obama's father? This is incredibly rude on your part and a non-issue.

Are you mad? Do you have no compunction whatsoever??? To compare Bill Clinton to J Wright? To not mention Obama's father? This is incredibly rude on your part and a non-issue.

There's a reason Bill O'Reilly had Hillary on his show. The Republicans want her to be the nominee because they know they can beat her.

Oreilly has consistently invited pols of both parties on a regular basis to his show. It is just now that it has occurred to Madam Clinton that if she is elected - she will be representing ALL Americans. And that includes the well over half our population which is conservative (left and right) and of whom a huge number watch Fox.

Not too long ago, this was beat into Obamas head and he finally stooped to an appearance on Wallace's show.

It is interesting how the left boycotts the right winged media while chanting idiocies about tolerance.

What schmucks.

So what??? No one is perfect and by ANY standards Bill Clinton has many many amazing qualities, capabilities and has done so much for the country!!

why did you wait so long to write this clear-thinking wake up call about this dysfunctional coupe who have hoodwinked part of the american electorate for over 15 years?

Also, compare that to Obama's father who was muslim, polygamous and left his wife and child! Awesome! And Obama still has his last and middle name..wrote in his book about him and what not!

why di you wait so long to write this clear-thinking wake up call about this dysfunctional coupe who have hoodwinked part of the american electorate for over 15 years?

So what??? No one is perfect and by ANY standards Bill Clinton has many many amazing qualities, capabilities and has done so much for the country!!

I was, as many professional women were in the 80's and 90's, attracted to and supportive of Hilary Clinton as a professional woman in the the role of First Lady. However, HRC blew a lot of that credibilility with her handling of the Health Planning and totally with her passivity and complicity of her husband's sexual activities. Women of my generation and ethnicity and education do not put up with being treated as a punching bag and accessory. No position of power is justified by being humiliated as HRC should have been, but perhaps she was not since she had no feelings at all. Her debasement in the current campaign belie any education, legal or otherwise and become an embarrassment to all professional women. Shame on her!!!

I was, as many professional women were in the 80's and 90's, attracted to and supportive of Hilary Clinton as a professional woman in the the role of First Lady. However, HRC blew a lot of that credibilility with her handling of the Health Planning and totally with her passivity and complicity of her husband's sexual activities. Women of my generation and ethnicity and education do not put up with being treated as a punching bag and accessory. No position of power is justified by being humiliated as HRC should have been, but perhaps she was not since she had no feelings at all. Her debasement in the current campaign belie any education, legal or otherwise and become an embarrassment to all professional women. Shame on her!!!

What an absolute piece of trash this article is. Really, comparing a hate-mongering preacher to our only successful Democratic president in the last 30 years. You should be ashamed of yourself for such lazy and unfounded drivel. You probably shouldn't even be writing for a high school paper, let alone the W. Post.

Take some classes. Learn something.

Leon

What a great story line. What a sham to hold it until it is too late to have an impact on Pennsylvania, Indiana, or North Carolina?

Right on top of your game, aren't you, Sally? The comment only came out of Clinton's mouth in the last debate. Takes a while for it to sink in, huh?

I'm no Hillary fan but to compare Bill to Wright is just plain BS. Bill may be a good old boy but he's not a racist demagogue wannabe parading around with a cross.

It is incredible that an adultress like Quinn, married to a world class adulterer, would write such an artice about non-adultress Hillary Clinton. It is even more incredible that a paper like the Washington Post would publish such sleaze.

Shame on you!

You are mostly correct in what you say about President Billy, but I think you have not also stated some more clear facts.

Sen. HRC's greatest advocate in PA was Gov. Rendell. If you look on YouTube you will find a 17 minute presentation at a Pulpit of Gov Rendell giving accolades to the man sitting just behind him.

That man is Louis Farakahn!

Yes, she has no close ties with Louis, but she has close ties to Gov Rendell who speaks out of the side of his mouth, when he brings up 5% of the people of PA won't vote for a black and they will only vote for Sen. HRC.

Give me a break and add that to your list.

P.S. If Sen. HRC somehow wins the nomination, watch how much the Lincoln bedroom will go for this time!

I want all of my friends to read this. I am stunned. WOW! that was powerful.How do i forward this?
DeeJay

Thank you for your apt analysis. Many women feel this way, but nobody goes into it. I am convinced that her nomination would result in lurid story after story that they spend their time denying. It's the perfect side show.

There's a reason Bill O'Reilly had Hillary on his show. The Republicans want her to be the nominee because they know they can beat her.

It will only take one round of negative ads for the right wingers to claim for moral high ground over HIll and Bill.

If all they have on Barack is the fact that he inspired millions of previously apathetic voters, and that his former pastor flew off the handle, guess what? Their game of fear and attack is over.

The Republicans love the Clintons, they've done more to help the right wing cause than all the TV ads their PAC money can buy.

I spent 8 years defending Bill and Hillary, but I'm done. I hate to admit it, but all my conservative neighbors were right about Hil and Bill, they'll do anything to get elected.

They can't handle the truth....great job Sally. If racism wasn't an issue, Obama would have swept all of the States. He is so superior to her in character and intelligence!

They can't handle the truth....great job Sally. If racism wasn't an issue, Obama would have swept all of the States. He is so superior to her in character and intelligence!

They can't handle the truth....great job Sally. If racism wasn't an issue, Obama would have swept all of the States. He is so superior to her in character and intelligence!

How can you compare the Bill Clinton to Wright?

Marriage between two people is private and supposed to be for life. You can't and shouldn't walk out of a marriage easily.

When you join to a congregation it is not binding in any sense. To listen to a racist pastor for 20 years while he is condemning your mother's race, your country and everything you supposedly stand for is unexplainable. The only reason Obama stayed there because it served him politically.

I hope, if only to enlighten people who hate her so much as this bitter reporter does, that Hillary wins this nomination.

There is a lot of crow to be eaten.

i am no clinton fan . i am also no divorce fan. why should hillary have added a divorce on top of all the other traumas you listed to her daughters psycological baggage. your reasoning is the same the anti-man feminists use . why don't you ask her why she ever got married to anyone. do you get paid for this ? as far as being president none of the three are any good. including someone who would put their kids in front of a racist maniac.

Although I think the Wright story is a tempest in a teapot, and I don't have much use for religious people in general, I don't think you can compare standing by your spouse with listening to a preacher with which you do not agree.

BTW, Sally, did Ben's wife stand by him? Or did she step politely aside for you?

Although I think the Wright story is a tempest in a teapot, and I don't have much use for religious people in general, I don't think you can compare standing by your spouse with listening to a preacher with which you do not agree.

BTW, Sally, did Ben's wife stand by him? Or did she step politely aside for you?

Absolute nonsense! You should be ashamed of yourself; and you, a mature woman!

Bill Clinton is her husband. He is also a very good man who acts in generous kindness and never preaches hatred.

Think about it.

Quinn should try peddling this in the hispanic community.

Among those voters, one of the many things for which Clinton is admired is that she kept her family together despite her husband's philandering.

They tend not to share Quinn's sympathy for women who were knowingly involved with a married man.

They tend to assume that Clinton loves her husband despite his failings.

And they tend to think it is important that children be raised by two parents. Maybe even more important than leaving to make a political statement.

People often change ministers - if they move to a different part of their state, if they move out-of-state, if they change faiths (when they marry or for whatever reasons), etc. A marriage is something completely different. When you marry, you think it will be "til death do us part" - if you're spouse fools around, then it is up to you to do or not do something. Some hold on, hoping things will get better, others will leave. I held on until he left! It is a very individual, personal, private decision that has no business being discussed alongside political issues. It is none of our business why Hilary chose to stay with her husband. A private matter is just that - private - case closed - no further discussion needed.

When it comes to choosing a minister, it seems to me to be a much simpler choice to make, but then, we don't know all the facts here either. However, this is something that perhaps should be discussed in relation to a person's political beliefs if the minister is filling his/her congregant’s heads with hate of any kind. Suddenly breaking off from that minister, after 20 years of following him faithfully, due to political pressures is another example of how politicians will do and say anything these days in or to get themselves elected! Apparently Obama himself is not the "saint" so many were led to believe he is! He has fallen from his pedestal!

It's always a surprise to me, inhabitant of the third world, when a politic its attacked by his -in this case, her- private life. Yes, of course: Mr. Clinton has lied to the public (or, if you prefer, contributors and votants) about their sexual affairs in the White House. It's possible, even conceivable, to think that if a president lie about his life, he can certainly lie about his policys. But in fact the economy and the wellfare state on the U.S. growns up on the clintonians years. And if you analize -and we, as people on the third world, are always pushed to do that- the republican government in the last years, you have to agreed that the private lifes of Clinton's are completely without weight on global -and even national, of your nation- politics. I'm affraid that the real democracy will be forever wounded by this undistinction between politic reflection an hollywoodean reasoning.

I agree, I agree !

Why didn't leave, denounce, reject (pick your word!) her own 'Rev. Jeremiah Wright', her husband Bill C. ?

In addition, she will have to explain her own comments on how to 'destroy' those who accused her husband.

Obama is not going to touch that with a 10-ft pole. He'd get pummeled rather than ask such questions.
Elite ? Yes, most certainly in this case !

No one (not Obama or other candidates) in the Democratic primaries has brought anything from that period, but Republican won't be that kind !

Shape of things to come, Sally Quinn !!!

WYLIED Wrote:
Question:

There are lots of churches in Chicago Obama could have moved to.

How many husbands and fathers of her daughter did Hillary have to choose among?

Answer:

You fail to realize that Obama's relationship with his pastor was not like his relationship with his dry cleaner. He didn't just go their for the service. Rev. Wright married he and his wife and worked in the community to uplift the down troden just like Obama has done for many years. Wright never did anything or said anything to disrespect Obama as a person and he says he was never at a service where these anti-american ideas were preached. Yet, Hillary was lied to, embarrassed, cheated on, disrespect, and made fool of by her husband for decades. Problem is, not many men's coat tails can be ridden to power, so she endured for this moment. Power means more to her than integrity,self respect, and love of her daughter, who she subjected to felandering household. He could have been a father to Chelsea even if they werent together.

She could. She should. She can.

Yet, she asked other to do what she should, but couldn't.

She asked other to do what she can, but won't.

Yet she claims to feel the presence of god in her interview with those reporters who asked why Obama didn't wear Ameridan flag pin!

there are so many bimbos, who include so many reporters!

HC might be OK if she is not power-hungry and running for office. politics brought out the worse of her, in which she would do and say anything (including lies) just to get the vote.

sad!

Are we forgetting Hillary's ex-pastors:
Rev. William Procanick ( in prison)
Doug Coe (Nazi).

Marc Rich, even though the former fugitive financier who won a controversial pardon from Bill Clinton gave money to her first Senate campaign.

Hugh and Tony Rodham once defied Bill Clinton's own top foreign policy advisers by entering into a strange investment in Georgia and Hugh Rodham took large cash payments for trying to broker presidential pardons.

You've pointed out well that Hillary Clinton is ambitious, ruthless, and knows how to wield power. This hardly disqualifies her from the office of the presidency. Your other objections are irrelevant. I don't vote for someone I can hug, I want someone who knows what he or she is doing. Either Clinton or Obama can do the job.

Question:

There are lots of churches in Chicago Obama could have moved to.

How many husbands and fathers of her daughter did Hillary have to choose among?

Thanks again, Sally. As a former federal bureaucrat, I well remember your editorial when Bill Clinton had the nerve to make a mess in our inside-the-beltway sandbox. I had the misfortune to remove two mid-level male supervisors from the civil service for having affairs with their subordinates just before Bill began his dalliance with Monica. They lost their careers and their retirement benefits and he kept his and has turned it into millions. I also had to work on some of the "Clinton legacy" projects that diverted hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to silly projects that were intended to make us forget Bill's addiction to sex and his proclivity to lie about it. I still blame Bill
Clinton for the failed Al Gore campaign. Do you think the Buddhist Temple shakedown was Al's idea or Bill's? Had Bill resigned and allowed Al Gore to succeed him we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. At least Nixon did what was right when he was caught in a lie. Bill refused to resign after a federal court found his testimony to be perjury. And Hillary stood right at his side all the time.

I don't get people who say that what Bill Clinton did in the past is a non-issue but somehow the isolated rants of a pastor are reflective of how a candidate might govern. Yes, judging by his approval ratings at the time, most Americans obviously accepted that since Bill's private sins had no discernible bearing on his policies, they didn't much care about what people he ground into the ground in his private life. I can live with that.

But what are the comparitive sins of Obama? Mainly he has a pastor who made maybe three isolated, incendiary remarks about America and the American government, and backed them up at the National Press Club Q&A. I say "three isolated" because I am quite sure that if other comments or repeats of the original comments were available, the people who uncovered the original comments would have found those too.

That they kept "looping" the same comments, is pretty convincing that there are no other such rants by Rev. Wright, and it is quite possible and probable that Mr. Obama never heard the Rev. make such remarks.

And, while I disagree with his rants, I was not suprised that the Rev. Wright backed them up at the NPC Q&A. He is a preacher! He comes across to me more as someone that is so distrustful of the government that he believes the government is "capable" of doing anything. Think about his comment about going after Obama if he wins and, therefore, becomes the "government."

Yet, here we were asking Obama to disown him and, even after he had done just that, continuing to ascribe to Obama some lack of judgement for having such a man as his preacher. There is no further evidence that Obama was aware of any such streak in the man, but we still say that is not enough.

Compare that to Bill Clinton. Are we lacking evidence of the man's deficit in character when it comes to women? But, hey, he is like one of us...you know, that member of the family that just can't stop himself. So it is okay.

But that preacher. Well, you know, it is just that there is the "possibility" that he might have made more such rants, and perhaps candidate Obama shares those views...although there is nothing in his past life to suggest that.

It all comes to who Mr. Obama and Rev. Wright are. To most of us, they are the "outsiders." You never know what you're going to get, right? Just look at the vitrol in some of the responses backing Bill Cliton (an admitted liar) to Ms. Quinn's post. Shame on you all.

Yes hillary is a pandering hypocrite, a weaseling lawyer, is bought and paid for by lobbiests, and is a dinasaur politician of the worst kind.

Yes she is.

"ever wonder why so many former Clintonites are not supporting her or are actively supporting Obama? And what about Senate colleagues?"

Exactly. Vote out those elected officials who support her for they are part of the dinasaur culture of political hypocrisy.

most of all..

VOTE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!

You can see the 'swiftboat' ads: Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Hillary Care circa 1993, and Susan McDougall.

All true issues. Swiftboating? Only if that means telling the truth about a liberal democrat.

I want all you self righteous lefties out there to honestly answer one question:

Would you be saying any of this about Clinton if she was the only candidate in the race?

No, you hypocritical thugs, she would be the knightess in shining armor. She would be the saviour of America. She would be the anti-republican - not the sore loser loser using republican tactics against your heavily stained son of man, as you so hatefully bash her now.

At this point it really doesn't matter who wins. This has been one of the most illustrative narratives of the American left ever. Both sides have done McCain's heavy lifting for him. Looks to be clear for another 4 years of American leadership.

Too entertaining.

Bravo! Thank you, Sally Quinn, for pointing out the unbearable hypocrisy of the Clinton Camp. Obama has refrained from reciting Bill and Hillary's past deceits because he is determined to win this on his merits and not divide the Democratic party. It is a political strategy that might seem naive, but could prove historically brilliant if successful. It leaves us dependent on the media to break out of their lapel-pin/racist Wright-is-wrong trance and bring some perspective to the debate.

Yes, it's a fact, Bill Clinton was the first American President impeached since Andrew Johnson. And, yes, he did lie under oath. Yes, his conduct in office was disgraceful, and Hillary aided and abetted him. The tragic side-effect of Bill's impeachment is that it trivialized the process when we needed it most: under the criminal conspiracy we now know as the Bush Administration.

While I enjoyed the unprecedented economic prosperity and global good will of the 1990s, I feel no nostalgic yearning for the return of the Clintons to the White House. Al Gore, I would turn cartwheels over.

YOu make reference to the one thing that I cannot understand:

That is, why have the Clintons been through this whole campaign with almost NO discussion of their
tawdry, ugly and crooked years in the WH?

WHEN did it become the consesus that that administration was so wunnerful. IT was one blot after another.

No one of our dear press corps reported that Bill was laughed at at the last few internatiohnal conferences he attended. He was a joke. And then the pardons.

On MSNBC and a great dear on CNN//forget about Fox, They, the media have been non stop talking and asking everyone about Rev. Wright and harm to Obama.

What I would like to know is why When Hillary Clintin said it was O.K.for the Iraq war was O.K. to go on for 50 years when now she says she would bring the troups home the first month if elected regardless of what the Commanders say.

When Hillary said on Bob Schieffers CBS News in Feb 2005 Feb. 20.That has not been that long ago.

Does the media only have elephant memories when it comes to Obama?

On MSNBC and a great dear on CNN//forget about Fox, They, the media have been non stop talking and asking everyone about Rev. Wright and harm to Obama.

What I would like to know is why When Hillary Clintin said it was O.K.for the Iraq war was O.K. to go on for 50 years when now she says she would bring the troups home the first month if elected regardless of what the Commanders say.

When Hillary said on Bob Schieffers CBS News in Feb 2005 Feb. 20.That has not been that long ago.

Does the media only have elephant memories when it comes to Obama?

On MSNBC and a great dear on CNN//forget about Fox, They, the media have been non stop talking and asking everyone about Rev. Wright and harm to Obama.

What I would like to know is why When Hillary Clintin said it was O.K.for the Iraq war was O.K. to go on for 50 years when now she says she would bring the troups home the first month if elected regardless of what the Commanders say.

When Hillary said on Bob Schieffers CBS News in Feb 2005 Feb. 20.That has not been that long ago.

Does the media only have elephant memories when it comes to Obama?

On MSNBC and a great dear on CNN//forget about Fox, They, the media have been non stop talking and asking everyone about Rev. Wright and harm to Obama.

What I would like to know is why When Hillary Clintin said it was O.K.for the Iraq war was O.K. to go on for 50 years when now she says she would bring the troups home the first month if elected regardless of what the Commanders say.

When Hillary said on Bob Schieffers CBS News in Feb 2005 Feb. 20.That has not been that long ago.

Does the media only have elephant memories when it comes to Obama?

Right on, Sally! You can see the 'swiftboat' ads: Whitewater, Rose Law Firm, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Hillary Care circa 1993, and Susan McDougall. This Billy without a portfolio could become more embarassing and harmful to the nation than Billy Carter. Narcissus will be uncontrollable as a spouse in the White House. I have to give Obama credit for taking the high road and hope that he and McCain get a chance to share their visions of this country's future come fall...

This piece seems spot on to me. Slick Willy has disgraced himself, but Hillary is not far behind with her cheap shots and Republican tactics against Obama. I had nothing particular against Hillary before the primary campaign got underway, but I would not vote for her now under any circumstances. She has showed her ugly side.

Amen! There's been such hypocrisy with the Rev. Wright nonsense. Hillary stood by an liar and a cheater and did nothing for her own political gain. Now she wants to be President and says she would have left the church. Why didn't she leave her husband then? Excellent article. I hate hypocrisy.

The reason that Obama never used any of this drivel is because he is too much of a Christian and a gentleman. Plus, if he did, you media people would have a field day asking, "How dare that black man (that's not the word I could have used) beat up on that white woman!! He had no way to defend himself by slinging this type of mud.

Sally Quinn, you are SO anti-Hillary and it is so obvious by everything you write. To equate Jeremiah Wright with Bill Clinton is about as obnoxious a comparison as one can make. Wright is filled with so much hate for so many - not exactly a comparison to Bill Clinton. Get off your high horse and go home and clean your house instead of paying someone else to do it.

This analysis goes to the heart of why change is needed to preserve this Nation. Truth sustains, lies destroy. We have just been through 16 years of leaders who have long forgotten the importance of Truth. I agree with earlier post though, where was this truth not spoken before today?

This is a great article, Sally. It is beyond me why so many people do not see thru this glaring transparent fraud, named Hilary. She is by far the most egregious hypocrite I have seen in my life time. She has no depth of content, no character and nothing vaguely resembling integrity. It was be a dark day indeed, if she becomes the nominee.

WOW! Absolutely spot-on! What is at stake in this election is nothing short of TRUTH with a captial T. Mrs. Quinn's analysis goes to the very heart of what's wrong with the Clintons. As they say in this part of the world, they wouldn't know the truth if it were a snake that crawled up and bit them! We have absolutely had more than this nation can take of leaders who have so lost touch with the truth that they can and will say anything to achieve or maintain their own power. Please God, let the American people say ENOUGH!

WOW! Absolutely spot-on! What is at stake in this election is nothing short of TRUTH with a captial T. Mrs. Quinn's analysis goes to the very heart of what's wrong with the Clintons. As they say in this part of the world, they wouldn't know the truth if it were a snake that crawled up and bit them! We have absolutely had more than this nation can take of leaders who have so lost touch with the truth that they can and will say anything to achieve or maintain their own power. Please God, let the American people say ENOUGH!

Amen.

I think there is a good point to be made here. A presidential candidate who is intimately connected to an avowed, racist, unapologetic America hater - as well as an unrepentant terrorist who as recently as 2001 trod upon our flag - is no more fit to be commander in chief than is the woman who stuck by the serial liar and philanderer - for no other reason than a hope of person opportunity. No one who lies under oath is worthy of any office, if for no other reason than they have demonstrated an aversion to truth. No one who cuddles up to terrorists and America hating racists is worthy of office.

Both actions are despicable and deal breakers.

We will see who the lowest possible common denominator advocates chooses.

As much as the lives of the Clintons has shocked and saddened Ms Quinn, she must have lost her memory of her own life. She thinks the Republicans will bring up (and she has helped) everything the Clintons have done wrong. Really! is this not a political campaign and everything is fair game. Except that the WashPost has decided to decide this election and they have decided that Obama will have their support. When this is over will the best "man" have won or will we have what has been decided for us?

Thank you for sharing the truth as, in reality, we all know it.

I'd like to add that Hillary only stayed with Bill to get his support in winning the Presidency, you chose WRONG again!

You will not win with your divisive politics AND I might add, there is NOTHING he can do to repay you for his AFFAIRS especially MONICA LEWINSKY. You should have quietly left him.

Hillary Clinton is great using politics as usual. There is nothing Presidential about her.

There is no way Hillary will move and there is no way she can win this election!
Blame it on Bill!

Thank you. Aboud time someone called her on that.

Being a practicing Catholic, I know the difficulty of supporting your clergy through
some very difficult issues. Obama was in a tough
situation that would've been hard to deal with
in every day life, but under a microscope became
a liability, instead of a personal hardship.
For many Democrats that fully supported Bill
through the liasons and impeachment, he still was
our champion against the Republican forces. After the past six months, his selfishness and
egotism has shown itself in the worst possible way. For the good of the party, both should call an end to this and pop up every four years at the convention.

Glad to see that most commentators applaud and agree with Sally Quinn's assessment of the benighted Clintons. Our country deserves better.
Another point not often noted: In his first 2 years with a Democratic House & Senate the Clintons made a hash of things ending up losing BOTH long-held Houses to the Repubs in 1994. It was only after the Repubs tied the Clintons' hands up did the economy recover. So I don't even give the Clintons the credit for 1994-2000 relative good times.

Bravo, Ms. Quinn

As a middle-aged woman, I've often wondered why Hillary clinton has the support of so many women. After all, she rode her husband's coattails to her Senate seat and to her run for Democratic nominee for president. As women, we teach our daughters not to tolerate a man who humiliates you over and over again. Yet, that's exactly what Bill did to Hillary. The 64-million-dollar question is this: Did Hillary Clinton stay with her husband because she loved him or because she saw what his political aspirations could do for her--or both? If it was love, she's a damned fool. If it was for power, than aren't we women wrong to place our admiration in someone who didn't have the guts to do it on her own?
If she had left Bill during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, and in the midst of his presidency, and then set off to show the world that she could be a senator without him, she'd be more likely to get my vote.
Now the country is left with a female candidate whose own personal history is chock full of examples of everything we teach our own daughters not to do.

"Yes we can. That doesn't mean we will"

-Hillary Clinton 2008

To "Yesnomaybe213" and the other fellow readers who were disgusted by the analogy, it's a fitting analgy insofar as one wishes to question whether the words or actions of a confidant are, in fact, your words (for example President Clinton's repeated racially curious comments in SC, and to the extent that one questions (as a character/judgment flaw that disqualifies him for the highest office) Obama's willingness to give his spiritual mentor a second chance -- we Christians call this forgiveness. In the latter respect, I imagine that Obama has not spoken what Sally Quinn has written about, because he has applied the same Christian principles to her staying with Bill and Bill's actions towards him and her, as he has done for Wright. The Christian ethic is so clearly to forgive (not forget or stand defenseless). Senator Clinton's problem is that she has shown a rather unsavory, hypocritical air -- for the sake of a political opportunity. She should have looked in the mirror and said, I know exactly the nature of the difficult choice Obama faces: how do you reconcile the bad that a loved one/the father of your child/a spiritual mentor has done with the good that person has done, and how does this reconciliation inform your interaction with them in the future. Anyone who's been through marital counseling knows that this is ultimately the question that aggrieved spouse must answer in order to move one with or without the marriage. For whatever reasons, she answered the question and chose to stay, and now castigates others for not "leaving." We don't have to like it, respect it or agree that we would have done the same thing. As for bearing a child together, that's a complicating factor, but married couples with children get separated and divorced everyday; this isn't 1950 when a woman's prospects without her husband are somehow unforgivingly restricted. Let's also remember that the "child" was high school/college age. Ms. Quinn, I think you've nailed this one right on the head. I applaud you for seeing the hypocrisy, and having done so, I hope people will let this issue die a quiet death while we all look in the mirror at our own choices.

Sheesh. At least AA's stick together. Women are like a crab bucket and cat-fight!!!!

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Exactly when did Bill and/or Hillary Clinton snub you that you exhibit such venomous attitude towards them?

It must have taken quite some fanciful imagination to come up with this construction, equating a very successful (as far as his governance was concerned) president with a hate mongering preacher who had to be eventually "disowned" by his prize pupil, when his own candidacy was threatened. I guess the fierce urgency of now dictated that course of action.

Your column could have been a little bit useful for the messianic candidate, had it appeared coupl eof days earlier, for it to percolate to Indina and North Carolina. Publishing in WaPo today, while the voters in those two states are busy voting didn't serve the purpose.

Obama to Quinn - Thanks, but too little, too late.

Shameful. Hillary Clinton's "Rev. Wright" left the presidency after 8 years with approval ratings almost triple the incumbent. Not bad. The lame armchair psychology about the Clintons' marriage is as absurd as it is distasteful. Finally, Hillary has been standing on her own two feet in the nomination campaign and giving a quite good account of herself against two opponents Barrack Obama and the Georgetown gasbags who dominate the op-ed and fluff pages.

This has to be one of the most perceptive and accurate expose of the Clintons. I feel Hillary is actually more cold bloodedly evil.

I am glad to know there are people out there besides me who remember Bill Clinton as a womanizing puke. He was an embarrassment to our country and to the Democratic Party.

Amen and Amen!!!!!!!!!

The relationship with Wright was not a marriage. It was a voluntary association that I'm sure Obama is now regretful of in great measure. The ties to Bill are a lot more complicated. It's not just affectionate feelings or even force of habit. It's not a shared daughter, either. It's a way, way more complicated mix that both have made contributions to in some measure. It has been a mess but it has been a tutorial. He has given her anguish but he has given her exceptional skills as well.

As the daughter of a complicated father whose relationship to a complicated and long-suffering mother, I can step aside and look at it a bit more clearly than can people raised in a happy marriage. My parents' marriage lasted until my father's death -- some 35 years. I am clear that there are bonds there that nobody outside the marriage sees. Yes, he is sabotaging her. Yes he is supporting her. Both at the same time, at times.

I don't want her to be the President but I don't think we ought to speculate on that union.

The relationship with Wright was not a marriage. It was a voluntary association that I'm sure Obama is now regretful of in great measure. The ties to Bill are a lot more complicated. It's not just affectionate feelings or even force of habit. It's not a shared daughter, either. It's a way, way more complicated mix that both have made contributions to in some measure. It has been a mess but it has been a tutorial. He has given her anguish but he has given her exceptional skills as well.

As the daughter of a complicated father whose relationship to a complicated and long-suffering mother, I can step aside and look at it a bit more clearly than can people raised in a happy marriage. My parents' marriage lasted until my father's death -- some 35 years. I am clear that there are bonds there that nobody outside the marriage sees. Yes, he is sabotaging her. Yes he is supporting her. Both at the same time, at times.

I don't want her to be the President but I don't think we ought to speculate on that union.

It is not the true interpretation of the events. Mrs. Clinton hired Linda Tripp to create the entire story. Yes, she had been prefectly aware of all infidelities of her husband. The problem is that after the disastrous failure of the health plan Bill Clinton wanted out of his marriage and out of the presidency. But it was not what Mrs. Clinton wanted. She wanted her turn of the presidency, and that is why she needed to revitalize her marriage. There was nothing what peole used to call love and respect to begin with in this marriage. This couple, among other inacceptable things, shows permanently the worst example of the family to people, especially young people. And this is the one of the many reasons why they should not return to White House.

In response to your pompous judgment of what was clearly a painful decision on Hillary's part, I offer you this observation: your attempt to create a parallel between leaving a church and leaving a spouse shows that you neither think nor feel within what normal people hold to be the confines of reality. Your simplistic comparison is laughable.

And, by the way, Obama and Rev. Wright didn't have a child together.

But thanks for reminding us just how irrelevant your opinions always have been and always will be.

Amen--

Give me a break. Are you daring to compare Bill Clinton to Rev. Wright? Are you insane or just stupid. I'm assuming both. How can you compare a man who assumed the presidency after difficult times and created 22 millions jobs, brought properity to this country and more importantly, peace with a man who rants and raves anti-white and anti-sematic utterings.... You should be ashamed of yourself. You are an utter disgrace to your "so called" profession.

thanks for some commonsense,very refreshing

thanks for some commonsense,very refreshing

thanks for some commonsense,very refreshing

FINALLY!!!!! I've been wondering when the press would start calling a spade a spade. And I am not talking about the not all that subtle racist campaign the Clinton's are running.

I can't believe that we might actually have a shot this November. A year ago, I thought it would never happen. Thanks, Democrats!

Just the thought of the Clintons back in the White House again depresses me. Self serving hypocrits. He's campaigning so hard for her now to reward her for staying with him. The trouble is he didn't promise her 'the' White House, he said 'a' white house.

It is refreshing to see common sense prevail here. Senator Clinton beclouded by the "kitchen sink" style of campaign could not see the parallel between her own actions past and present. One can understand the right wing pundits indulging in this reckless bashing of Obama but when Senator Clinton chose to join the chorus on the Rev Wright issue, then it becomes a case of a "Kettle calling pot black". Hillary chose her husband and stuck with him for over 30 long years. What a shame!

She's stayed with Bill for the same reason that N.O.W. supported Bill. It's called politics over principal. Bill is the poster boy for the "white male sexual harrassing womanizer" that N.O.W., I thought, was supposed to fight against. So what happened when these woman came forward with their sexual harrasment claims? They got raked over the coals. N.O.W was particulary harsh on them. Why? Because Bill promised them to support certain policies.

Hillary also claims to fight for these very same goals. So why is she still with Bill? So much for principals...

how true and great this analogy is. i wish someone would put the question to hillary on why hasn't she left bill.

Thank you so much for being honest about Hillary Clinton. Most women are blind when it comes to her cheating husband and all of the lies. The Republicans cannot wait to drag out "that pointing finger" and Monica, Jennifer, Paula, & Kathleen. What happened to the Pride & Honor of being First Lady? (Bosnia LIE) Pride & Honor be Gone for votes. I can not believe that the women of America have forgotten the shame & humiliation of the entire impeachment scandal.

My sentiments exactly.

When the horse has been beaten to death, ground up, turned into media chow, and happily and completely ingested again and again by the media, there's not really much left to interest even the most stalwart of Clintonophobes.

Thanks for the undying devotion to non-issues.