Richard Mouw
President, Fuller Theological Seminary

Richard Mouw

Mouw, a philosopher, scholar, and author, is president of Fuller Theological Seminary. He has been recognized as an important voice among reform-oriented evangelicals.

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Do Not Be Discouraged

Jesus’ statement that “the poor you will always have with you” has often been misused—as if he were telling us to make sure that we always have some poor people around! But his admonition is in fact a basis for Christian realism.

If our motivation is to “cure” poverty—and all disease and homelessness—we are bound to become disillusioned. But knowing that in our sinful world we will always have these horrible problems should not discourage us from working at addressing the issues—both by meeting immediate needs, and by seeking to correct the systemic factors that make them such enduring curses on the human condition. Indeed, to know that our efforts as believers will not be assessed in terms of immediate results is a powerful basis for keeping at the task. For followers of Jesus, “success” in serving the needy will happen when we hear our Savior say, on the Last Day, “Well done! In serving them you served me!”

By Richard Mouw  |  December 14, 2007; 10:13 AM ET  | Category:  Religion & Leadership
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Why is Mouw concerned with Matthew 25 at all? After all, he's pro-Mormon. Since God is merely a human as we are, and since we will all be as God some day, we will be free to invent our own moralities. Why should we be bound by God's morality, since he is only our peer?

Posted by: MOUW TSE TUNG | December 17, 2007 10:17 PM
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Seriously. Got a going-on-trillion-dollar war-against 'Babylon' that they lied about both being necessary and paying for itself.

Got the pious Republicans cutting social programs and filtering half of what they directly took from the mouths of the poor through professional proselytizers.

Got the Churches and pious Christians voting for this cause it's apparently the worst thing in the world for their own failing marriages for gay people not to get screwed out of their life's work by hostile, but virtuous Christian families that abused and disowned them....


Then they say, 'It's time to tighten belts, ...while we bail out Chase Manhattan from their profiteering off the working poor when that and outsourcing for profit goes south.....


And you talk about the *afterlife?*

No, no, no, Padre. We can do better right here and right now.

Or, you, can. I'm the bogeyman, now, aren't I?

Posted by: Paganplace | December 17, 2007 1:10 AM
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Though to the columnist, who says:


"For followers of Jesus, “success” in serving the needy will happen when we hear our Savior say, on the Last Day, “Well done! In serving them you served me!”"


How bout we settle for the churches not telling people not to vote for people who won't legislate their *sexual* tabooes, in favor of those who will enshrine vicious forms of corporate capitalism while actively-hurting the poor?

Just an idea, there.

Maybe your God will like it.

But you've got more than an image and credibility gap going on just lately, Reverend. There's the real nuts and bolts behind the ideology that some people will so conveniently wave a bible and various scapegoats in order to obfuscate.

In a country this wealthy, if Bush hasn't successfully shunted all that wealth to the corporations... It just shouldn't be that hard.

Just shouldn't be that hard. We probably *waste more on crap at Wal-mart than it'd take to feed the kids. When they cut social programs, they talk millions, when they talk business, they talk billions like it's chump-change.

Just shouldn't be that hard.

Posted by: Paganplace | December 17, 2007 1:00 AM
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Oohoho..., Canyon says this:

"Mad Love,

"The idol you've formed of me and my God"

What, you figure you rate an 'idol,' now, Canyon? :)

Who do you think will worship at *that* altar?

Or are you always trying to get us to confuse and conflate the two.

An old priestess warned me of the dangers of *that.*

" Would you read my post again and this time pay attention?"

Oh, I think we pay attention, in one fashion or another. Not so much the scriptural spam, maybe you'll forgive if the eyes glaze over, especially if it's presented by one who thinks we make an 'idol' of him, while *he* makes an idol of words and expects us to confuse him with his God.

Oh, no, no, no.


That's not Pagans, and it's also not the Christianity of several ancestors of mine I hold in some esteem.

I think it's you.

Posted by: Paganplace | December 17, 2007 12:50 AM
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I saw a young man on the tele who said he was on his way to Calcuta to help the po folks there, (out to make a name for himself?). I'm at a loss as to exactly what one does in Calcuta to help the poor. Maybe you or someone else here can help me.

I picture myself getting off the boat. I have the loftiest of intentions - I will help all those poor people. I'm standing on the dock. Where do I go and exactly what do I do? I can't help but feel like I would be in need of help myself, maybe someone to tell me to get back on the boat.

This isn't a case of changing occupations for the poor? Calcuta's BLACK HOLE is filled with "bankrupt" beggers. Is that young man going to change their occupation from begging people to survive to begging invisible supernatural beings for their daily bread? I suspect that's what it's all about like Union Rescue Mission where one will pray else one will not eat - a takeoff of the Lords prayer, "..thy will be done, (or eles)..." I understand hell is number one on the list of things that come under the heading of, "...thy will be done (NOT)..." We can add eat not to that list?

Posted by: BGone | December 16, 2007 12:42 PM
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Rev: ""Jesus’ statement that “the poor you will always have with you” has often been misused"" is enough isn't it? Why did Jesus say that?

Poor is relative. The poorest person alive today in the USA has more than the richest of rulers from the age of Jesus. At that time there were no electric lights, telephones, street cars, buses, central heat or air conditioning, no radio television and no airplanes. And there was no one collecting "TRANSFORMERS" so Santa could visit the poor children. There was no welfare or school lunch programs. The list of what the poorest today has that no king had is obviously too long and beyond most to complete. Poor is relative to what's possible and not an absolute.

Throughout history there has always been the rich and the poor and that is not about to change. And the notion of ending poverty is communist. I think we can all agree that communism is a failed economic system broken beyond repair. Without the "get rich" incentive all that is, is poor people. Man is a competitive creature that thrives on competition. That's not to say people must starve so Warren Buffet can be rich.

However, if Warren does as Jesus "commanded" us to do:

Luke 18:22
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

then Warren will be poor and the poor rich. It's a simple truism, "the poor you will have with you always." And, equally true, the rich you will have with you always - unless you decide to be communist and make everyone poor.

Posted by: BGone | December 16, 2007 12:22 PM
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REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.

This is 'illegal' , aka PROXY President by Nepotism! Presidential 'Term-Limits' are being violated. Do not be Stupid! The Communist have infiltrated Sweet Sweet U.S.A's Government of 'THE PEOPLE!

So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!

IMPORTANT , Sweet Sweet America:

A Russian Communist Conspiracy in Sweet Sweet America "i" now EXPOSED!

HARK Humates of America!:

BEWARE:

Senator 'Chuck Schumer' (of N.Y., a 'Senior Senator) is been "BRIBED' by the RUSSIAN-INTERNATIONAL-MAFIA! Example:

He, Mr. Schumer et al, via "L*U*K OIL" got money from them, (via ex-'GETTY gas station(s) moguls, now turned "Russian Mafia Government Front" as Owners in America. Please call FBI & CIA!] and of Which "Chucky-Boy' Senator SCHUMER promoted , knowingly in such a great 'COMMY' Conspiracy!

Forgive me, but it is true!!!!!!!!!!

ATT: You get pais per "CLICK' , then pay 'US' [free Spirited Bloggers] for Stealing OUR ideas/Writings!

Note: You must Post [ALL & not SENSORED] or repost {hours of WORK (free, but NO more!) thinking & typing) what You-Failed to post. There was No Cuseses. Everything was acoording to 'YOUR' rules, not mine.

Yes, 34,000 people a year in AMERICA , the sweet, comit Suicide. So Better they Volunteer for Army & die Protecting the great REPUBLIC & FEDERATION of "Space-Ship" Planet EARTH against SuperStupidStitious Pre-Apocalyptic BIBLIO, QURANO, GEETAO, MANIACS.

WE "i"nellegent "i"ntellectuals "i"ndividuals. aka, HUMATES (not Humans, as JOKTANIAN, not PELEGIAN,Sporades (Wom) & Mavorites (Man)) Live on space-Ship Earth! aka S.S. GAIA, S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng Something instead!!

So please post ALL that you have sieved/selected & sensored! Not jus "i", but many many Bloggers!

NOTICE: "NEWS-WEEK" & WASHINGTON POST & CO, et al,;

IT is about your ten 'FACE's. not about our one honest Face's!

You will be sued , in 'Class' like, in Federal Court very very Soon!

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Posted by: Anonymous | December 15, 2007 11:02 PM
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Well Canyon, I took the test and a voice came down from on high and said "Well done my Son, carry on and continue to minister to the knuckle-heads of the world."

Therefore, if you really think my post affirmed yours I suggest you read it again. Carefully this time.

Posted by: Mad Love | December 15, 2007 10:05 AM
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Almaden,

Congratulations, you've created the universal idol that everyone is trusting in.

No one will go to Hell for not believing in Jesus Christ. Your whimsical and evil understanding of God is absolutely false.

You will go to Hell for lying, stealing, murder, rape, adultery, lust, hatred, fornication, wanting to be God, and any other transgression of the law that causes death.

But no one will go to Hell for not hearing about Christianity.

Mad Love,

I don't know if you did it on purpose, but you beautifully proved my post. I will not stand before your god because he doesn't exist.

How righteous are you?
www.thegoodpersontest.com

Posted by: Canyon Shearer | December 15, 2007 9:39 AM
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Well Canyon, the idol you've set up seems to be a petty little tyrant who created the world for the express purpose of eternally tormenting any poor soul who actually had the audacity to enjoy it. I would probably be on my knees in broken glass praying incessantly for forgiveness of being born human too if I believed that. This nasty little idea of a burning hell is a cancer best cut out of our psyches. I suppose I should thank you for trying to share it with me, but all the same, no thanks.

Believe me when I say there is no truth I seek to suppress. And for the record I am quite the righteous dude.

What if, canyon, when YOU die, you have to stand before MY God? He would no doubt want to know why you thought that he was so petty, and why you thought his creation was so evil. He would want to know why you hated your own life so much that you wasted it by being afraid fear mongering others.

Just saying.

Posted by: Mad Love | December 15, 2007 5:40 AM
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Fundamentalists believe that whosoever does not believe as they do will be plunged into a Lake of Fire for all eternity. That includes all those who have never heard of Christianity and even those who live exemplary even saintly lives but who profess another faith or none at all. That means that the fundamentalists' God is the author of the greatest evil possible, condemning innocents to burn forever. That means those who worship this evil one are themselves evil and complicit in His evil. Why would anyone vote for a fundamentalist?

Posted by: almaden | December 14, 2007 5:32 PM
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Mad Love,

The idol you've formed of me and my God is only one of your contrivances to suppress the truth in unrighteousness. Would you read my post again and this time pay attention?

Norrie,

As always, your coloring book religion will not save you, nor be any sort of reasonable excuse on Judgment Day.

Posted by: Canyon Shearer | December 14, 2007 8:03 AM
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"Do Not Be Discouraged"

Good luck! Christianity has been shown to be incapable of ending discouragement and depression.

Buddhism shows the way to enlightenment and eternal happiness.

A word to those who would be wise.

Posted by: Norrie Hoyt | December 14, 2007 7:02 AM
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All that pretzel logic and no beer to wash it down.

Somehow I always picture Canyon wearing a hairshirt when he's not busy practicing self flagellation.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...


Posted by: Mad Love | December 14, 2007 12:19 AM
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I thought I'd seen this question before. Dr. Mouw, you bring up a great verse that I hadn't thought of, that the poor will always be around. I wrote the below the first time this question was posted, it says pretty much the same thing:

I'd like to do a little exposition on James 1:14-15:

"Each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."

James is clear that we have no justification in the age old excuse, "The Devil made me do it!" Each person is condemned by his own desire, his own lusts, and the blame is placed firmly upon the transgressor.

Desire is the first step towards death. The Bible is the only religious book, including anything from the 'atheist' presses, which gives an adequate and all-encompassing answer to the perplexing question, "Where does death come from?" James tells us that sin brings forth death, Paul said, "The wages of sin is death." and "Sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned."

The answer then to the question, can the world's social and physical ills be cured by the church, is: ABSOLUTELY NOT. While there is sin in the world, death will follow. Science has been working on AIDS, Cancer, Syphilus, and Viral Nasopharyngitis for a long time now, and none of these has been cured or will be cured by natural works or science.

James says that desire is the first step towards sin. The main desire, which births all other sins, is self-centeredness, aka pride. "I will not worship that God, I will worship a God in my image and of my making." (John Piper) The God of the Universe is perfectly holy and uses His holyness as the standard of righteousness that we will all be judged against. He gives us a textual representation of Himself in the 10 Commandments.

God cannot lie, it is against His nature and thus when He says, "All liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire", we can trust Him to be telling the truth.

God cannot kill without cause or provocation, therefore when people are stricten dead, such as Uzzah in 1 Chronicles 13, we can only assume God was provoked through sin. Hatred without justification will be judged as murder, Jesus tells us in Matthew 5:21.

God's name is holy and perfect above all other names. We declare our hatred and animosity towards Him when we use His name in place of a four letter filth word. Be assured that God will not hold Him guiltless that takes His name in vain.

For a little while, the church was wondering if there may be life on other planets, why should this planet be special? The answer is found in the Seventh Commandment, God is incapable of adultery, and the church is known as Christ's bride, therefore there are no other churches on other planets. Jesus told us, "You've heard it said of old, thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say to you, whosoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart." Invariably, when a discussion on AIDS comes up, the reader thinks of homosexuality. Same-sex marriage issues aside, sex outside of marriage is a devious sin, when you sin against your spouse, whether that spouse is yours currently, or will be in the future, you are sinning against God.

The wages of sin is death. I am paid on a monthly basis, I work all of December, but am not paid until January 1st. That doesn't mean that I don't get paid for December 5th, only that the wages I am amassing will be paid out for me in the future.

Sin is the same way, you may think that blasphemy is a victimless crime, because everytime you've done so, you weren't stricten dead. Be assured that you are storing up wrath for yourself on the Day of Judgment. Cancer and AIDS and old age are your stipends until your full pay-check is issued on the day of your death, these are to remind you that you do have a sin-account which is quickly nearing maturity and pay-out.

It is appointed for a man once to die, and then the judgment. On that day you will stand before the Judge, naked in your shame, the book of your conscience open wide, this book has recorded every transgression, every sin done in darkness or in light. How will you plead? I didn't know? Your conscience has screamed out at your every time you broke God's law, if it is not screaming now, it is because you have seared and dulled this sensitive instrument. But be assured, God has a record of every time you have disobeyed your parents, worshipped money, trusted science to save you from eternity, stolen anything, regardless of cost, and coveted after wealth, health, or godhood.

Trust God when He says that all liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire, but not just liars, but fornicators, adulterers, murderers, the faithless, and the idolaters. Rapists and serial-killers have earned death, but so have thieves and blasphemers. They are condemned to Hell, a place of wailing and gnashing of teeth, where the worm dieth not, and the fire burns but does not consume, a place of utter darkness, devoid of love in any form. The inhabitants beg for a single drop of water, but none will ever come. This is the wages of sin, the place of eternal torment.

But here is the reprieve. Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, was born of a virgin 2000 years ago. He lived a perfect sinless life where He showed His authority over sickness and death by raising Lazarus and others. He willingly accepted the wages you had earned and they were poured out upon Him in the most heinous of ways. Mel Gibson attempted to show how badly Christ was beaten, but his version was rated G compared to what Isaiah 52:14 describes:

"His appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance."

Christ took your place, God exacted His fine on His only begotten Son, and it pleased Him to do it, because by Christ's stripes we are healed. In Christ's death on the cross, our wages are paid out, our fine is satisfied.

God demands that to receive this gift of life purchased at such a price, you must repent of your sins, turn from them, apologize for them, call out for forgiveness, and place your trust in Jesus Christ to save you from this punishment which you deserved.

God will forgive you, not because He is a whimsical or unjust Judge, but because the requirements for your release are fulfilled in Christ's payment and your repentance. You will know you are forgiven because your sinful heart will be replaced with a heart that thirsts after righteousness, and you will be born of the Spirit into the family of God.

Even better news, still, on the third day after Christ's atoning death, He rose from the grave and defeated the effects of sin. Death has lost its sting, to be absent from this body is to be present with the Lord.

Your flesh will still die, but your soul will live for eternity. You will be resurrected in Heaven with an imperishable body, one that knows no sin and will never be ravished by death.

This is the eternal cure, the perfect cure. Whether science can extend your life to 125 years old or not, you will still die, the ultimate statistic is that 10 out of 10 die.

On that day, will you face God as your Saviour, or as your Judge?

Posted by: Canyon Shearer | December 13, 2007 4:44 PM
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From the New York Times
Islam’s Silent Moderates

By AYAAN HIRSI ALI
Published: December 7, 2007

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with 100 stripes: Let no compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. (Koran 24:

"The key to ending this tyranny of interpretation of the Koran is within the Koran itself, if the people have the courage to use it."

IN the last few weeks, in three widely publicized episodes, we have seen Islamic justice enacted in ways that should make Muslim moderates rise up in horror.

A 20-year-old woman from Qatif, Saudi Arabia, reported that she had been abducted by several men and repeatedly raped. But judges found the victim herself to be guilty. Her crime is called “mingling”: when she was abducted, she was in a car with a man not related to her by blood or marriage, and in Saudi Arabia, that is illegal. Last month, she was sentenced to six months in prison and 200 lashes with a bamboo cane.

Two hundred lashes are enough to kill a strong man. Women usually receive no more than 30 lashes at a time, which means that for seven weeks the “girl from Qatif,” as she’s usually described in news articles, will dread her next session with Islamic justice. When she is released, her life will certainly never return to normal: already there have been reports that her brother has tried to kill her because her “crime” has tarnished her family’s honor.

We also saw Islamic justice in action in Sudan, when a 54-year-old British teacher named Gillian Gibbons was sentenced to 15 days in jail before the government pardoned her this week; she could have faced 40 lashes. When she began a reading project with her class involving a teddy bear, Ms. Gibbons suggested the children choose a name for it. They chose Muhammad; she let them do it. This was deemed to be blasphemy.

Then there’s Taslima Nasreen, the 45-year-old Bangladeshi writer who bravely defends women’s rights in the Muslim world. Forced to flee Bangladesh, she has been living in India. But Muslim groups there want her expelled, and one has offered 500,000 rupees for her head. In August she was assaulted by Muslim militants in Hyderabad, and in recent weeks she has had to leave Calcutta and then Rajasthan. Taslima Nasreen’s visa expires next year, and she fears she will not be allowed to live in India again.

It is often said that Islam has been “hijacked” by a small extremist group of radical fundamentalists. The vast majority of Muslims are said to be moderates.

But where are the moderates? Where are the Muslim voices raised over the terrible injustice of incidents like these? How many Muslims are willing to stand up and say, in the case of the girl from Qatif, that this manner of justice is appalling, brutal and bigoted — and that no matter who said it was the right thing to do, and how long ago it was said, this should no longer be done?

Usually, Muslim groups like the Organization of the Islamic Conference are quick to defend any affront to the image of Islam. The organization, which represents 57 Muslim states, sent four ambassadors to the leader of my political party in the Netherlands asking him to expel me from Parliament after I gave a newspaper interview in 2003 noting that by Western standards some of the Prophet Muhammad’s behavior would be unconscionable. A few years later, Muslim ambassadors to Denmark protested the cartoons of Muhammad and demanded that their perpetrators be prosecuted.

But while the incidents in Saudi Arabia, Sudan and India have done more to damage the image of Islamic justice than a dozen cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, the organizations that lined up to protest the hideous Danish offense to Islam are quiet now.

I wish there were more Islamic moderates. For example, I would welcome some guidance from that famous Muslim theologian of moderation, Tariq Ramadan. But when there is true suffering, real cruelty in the name of Islam, we hear, first, denial from all these organizations that are so concerned about Islam’s image. We hear that violence is not in the Koran, that Islam means peace, that this is a hijacking by extremists and a smear campaign and so on. But the evidence mounts up.

Islamic justice is a proud institution, one to which more than a billion people subscribe, at least in theory, and in the heart of the Islamic world it is the law of the land. But take a look at the verse above: more compelling even than the order to flog adulterers is the command that the believer show no compassion. It is this order to choose Allah above his sense of conscience and compassion that imprisons the Muslim in a mindset that is archaic and extreme.

If moderate Muslims believe there should be no compassion shown to the girl from Qatif, then what exactly makes them so moderate?

When a “moderate” Muslim’s sense of compassion and conscience collides with matters prescribed by Allah, he should choose compassion. Unless that happens much more widely, a moderate Islam will remain wishful thinking.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Posted by: Drew | December 12, 2007 11:52 AM
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