Islam needs more tolerance, not more mosques
One has to wonder how long the U.S. will continue to tip toe around its relationship with Islam and Muslims. There seems to be so many situations in which anything to do with Islam is treated with kid gloves by politicians and the politically correct in fear of offending
its members. If it had been Jewish terrorists who had attacked the twin Towers, would the building of a synagogue at the site even be in anyone's fantasy? I strongly doubt it. Yet, when Muslims are involved in terrorism, so many of our politicians want to pretend Islam had nothing to do with it. They need to wake up and listen to what the terrorists and their hate filled are saying.
Religious fundamentalism, the view that my religion is the only "right" one and everyone else must believe like me, has been the cause of hatred and violence in the name of religion for millennia. Although the justification for violence against nonbelievers has
rarely if ever been a majority worldview of any religion, its destructiveness has far outweighed its numbers. Throughout much of the history of the last two thousand years, Christians and Muslims have been the primary perpetrators of a violent fundamentalist world view. Each has seen goodness only identified with itself and thus has justified its raping, pillaging, and destruction of other peoples and cultures all over the world. Their hatred has not only been directed at non-believers but at members of their own traditions who disagree with their narrow belief systems.
Yet, when fundamentalists have been criticized, they have typically shown very thin skin and have often reacted violently. In some ways, fundamentalist Christians and Muslims have historically acted like spoiled children who always have to have their own way. Unfortunately, unlike spoiled children, religious fundamentalists cannot be put on "time out" or sent to bed early. Instead, throughout much of their respective histories, fundamentalists of both religions have sought annihilate all other religious worldviews and their adherents as well.
During the last few centuries, fundamentalist Christians have, for the most part, removed overt violence from their approach to the rest of the world. Although their narrow mindedness has remained, most now use words instead of weapons to push their beliefs, and most other Christians adhere to a much more tolerant and reasoned view of others. Moreover, many Christians today are active promoters of peace and tolerance all over the world. At the same time, however, Muslim fundamentalists have increased their use of violence in both rhetoric and action, while moderate Muslims are rarely heard, either because of fear of or sympathy with their fundamentalist brethren. The responses by much of the world during the past few decades to this increased level of violence have been to attempt to assuage Muslim terrorism by giving its fundamentalist perpetrators what they want. The general approach of many U.S. politicians has followed suit. Acting in this manner is like trying to extinguish a fire by throwing wood on it.
Religious tolerance in the U.S. has increased a great deal over the decades, but as long as Islam continues to be treated differently than other religions, and fundamentalists are given a pass, most Americans will want to have little or nothing to do with the religion or its
members. There are those who say that we are the ones at fault, we need to better understand Muslims and Islam, and the planned center and mosque near Ground Zero will help in that process. Actually, our politicians need to stop making excuses for the violence fundamentalist Islam supports, and its perpetrators need to start making room for the rest of the world in their currently narrow and hate filled version of reality. Those who say Americans need to better understand Islam need to rethink the problem. They should direct their efforts instead to attempting to teach fundamentalist Muslims the concept of tolerance of others first, since they are the source of the problem. That would be the best way to begin to inspire non-Muslims in the U.S. and the rest of the world to change their view of the tradition and to see beyond its violence for the good it can hopefully offer the rest of the world.
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Ramdas Lamb
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July 26, 2010; 2:42 PM ET
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Posted by: edwardo691 | August 4, 2010 11:10 AM
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Islam isn’t a religion. Read the Quran, the hadith collections of Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, the biography of Muhammad by Ibn Ishaq, and you’ll realize this to be the case.
It’s not a religion because Muhammad was supposedly God’s “last, true prophet”, yet he had apostates killed. That doesn’t make sense. A true “man of God” would bring a man back through love, not murder him for leaving the religion. That’s what a cult leader does.
It’s also not a religion because the Quran says Muhammad is “a beautiful pattern of conduct”, but when you look at his life you see that Muhammad had sex with a child, owned slaves, bought and sold slaves, had poets killed for criticizing him, slaughtered unarmed people, beat his own wife, and in general, was a terrible, worthless human being.
I’ve compiled a list of arguments non-Muslims can use at “Islam outreach events”, mosque debates, etc., at my website:
http://vitor-palmer.livejournal.com
If you don’t want a mosque in your community, print those arguments out, distribute them, ask them of the “friendly tolerant” Muslim leader.
Islam is indefensible. Learn it, and you’ll defeat it.
Posted by: vitor_palmer | July 29, 2010 11:34 PM
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According to author Charles Trifkowiz, Hindus are the biggest victims of Islam with more than 100 million already killed in Islamic crusades into India since 8th century.
Wafa Sultan- A God Who Hates- is also a good read on Islam.
As for Christianity, they also want to spread their religion but in non-violent ways such as Mother Teresa and other missionary doctors and nurses who feign help to poor but whose real mission is to convert- thus dangerously imperiling the native populations/cultures.
Posted by: AskgharZa | July 29, 2010 6:47 AM
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Generally good article, but your criticism of Christian fundamentalists is misplaced. Christian fundamentalists may give you a headache, but Moslem fundamentalists will literally slice your head off, and they will quote the Koran and Muhammad while doing it. That is a significant difference. As for the violence which Christians perpetrated in the past, this was not done by "fundamentalists". It was done mainly by the Catholic Church. And the perpetrators of that violence never quoted Jesus of God to justify the violence. Moslem terrorists always quote Allah and Muhammad. That is a crucial difference. When Christians follow their holy texts, they are not violent. When Moslems follow their holy texts, they are violent.
Posted by: Montedoro | July 28, 2010 2:50 PM
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The proposed mosque at Ground Zero is just another in a long series of “Victory” mosques erected to commemorate the triumph by of cult of islam over other religions.
Some of the more notable Victory mosques,
The mosque at mecca commemorating moe’s victory over the pagans,
The dome of the rock in Jerusalem built on the ruins of Judaism’s holiest site,
Hagia Sophia mosque in Istanbul, used to be the main cathedral of the Catholic Church until the muslim hoards took over,
The mosque in Canada’s northernmost permanent settlement of Inuvik,
Less notable but equally troubling,
a multitude of churches in the West that have been turned over to muslims for their use in the name of peace and tolerance..
It’s funny that the peace and tolerance only goes one way.
Show the morally bankrupt and irrelevant LIBTARDS that you’re not as ignorant as they would like you to be by proudly displaying the symbol of the new crusaders ….
http://www.zazzle.com/Lion_of_Kabul
Muslims in the West should be afforded the same rights and priviliges that they grant minorities where islam is dominant…. Virtually none….
Posted by: APaquin | July 28, 2010 8:27 AM
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Just for a sampling of what's happening in the world of Islam and why we should stand up to this malignant Islamist force, see www.THEreligionofpeace.com
Posted by: BeeSing | July 28, 2010 1:23 AM
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AMEN!!! The author of this column has it 100% right on target and I have tremendous admiration for his courage and ability to state things so well. God bless you, Ramdas Lamb!
Posted by: BeeSing | July 28, 2010 1:19 AM
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Most of the intolerant swill posted above is typical of an average serf in the 10th cen. but even they knew that one does not intrude on the home of the cave bear,murder your neighbors children or steal his wealth without a protest. What is mistaken for intolernce is in reality justifiable reactions to the West. The British were driven out of Iran earlier and India in 1948.In the 1950's the same language of hate was used against the Soviets and it turns out the enemy was the USA who prepares it people for war by teaching them to live in fear of enemies that do not exist. Wasnhinton and Jefferson knew and warned of this when they opposed both corporations and standing armies.
Posted by: MaxMCapacity | July 28, 2010 12:22 AM
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Posted by: Nabihah | July 27, 2010 10:39 PM
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US needs to see which sect of Islam preaches peace (which one has been preaching peace from before 9-11) - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has been promoter of Peace ever since establishment.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/23/my-take-why-americans-should-care-about-ahmadiyya-muslims/
Posted by: desimd | July 27, 2010 4:18 PM
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Islam is the gravest threat to world peace. Their book is distorted and their philosophy is screwed up. Good luck trying to knock sense into them. Recommendation:
1. Question mullahs. If you cannot do that, question Allah. Your Allah does not speak for the other Allahs such as Christ, Krishna, Buddha, Guru Nanak, Moses. Mullahs need to realize that they have a real problem on their hands.
2. Nothing is beyond question. Nothing is sacrosanct. If the result of applying any scripture is harm to mankind, the scripture is wrong not mankind.
3. "God" as we understand Him can be wrong. It is not God Himself who is wrong. It is our understanding of Him that is wrong. Mullahs' concept of Allah as parochial, partial to mullahs only, loving mullahs only, is plain wrong. The result will be negative because the karma is negative, regardless of how holy you think you are.
Posted by: arkns | July 27, 2010 3:23 PM
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muslim1908, of course when it comes to Islam it is the other guys' fault, they are either stereo typing or they islamophobe or something else. DO you ever consider that indeed there is something internally that is at fault? Whenever it serves you to make a rhetorical point you have no problem stereotyping all the muslims. Like with Danish cartoons, or draw a MO day, or protesting the mega-mosques construction it has offended 1.3 or 1.4, or 1.5, 1.6 billion muslims. How do you guys know that every damn muslim was outraged or that every one of them feels he is punished, etc, etc. The fact of the matter is as high an illiteracy there is amongst muslims (Am I stereotyping all the muslims?) I wonder how many have learnt about the mosque thing in say Kyrgyzstan?
You mister need to come to terms with teh fact that as far as influencing the world affairs and holding pre-dominat role, islam has been on the back burner for at least 5 centuries. yes islam had a preeminent role till say 13th century or so. During that time, it had a very grotesque & oppressive chapter in human affairs in terms of enslaving the conquered peoples and forced conversions, etc, etc.
You guys need to introspect, why is iti that some of the most illiterate, and poorest & decrypt counties in the world are islamic countries. You guys talk about sunnah, etc, etc but the rich countries amongst you hardly share the wealth or try to eradicate povert and illiteracy from the poor. the only thing you rich muslims give to teh poor is more mdrassahs teaching the vile nonsense of koran and not true knowledge of science and math, etc. until you do that the majority of muslims are destined to live the destitute lives.
Posted by: Secular | July 27, 2010 11:04 AM
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The attacks on Christianity are outrageous. There are so many problems with the article that it would take too long to pick through them all, the entire premise is wrong. There is nothing wrong with religious fundamentalism if the person is following a good religion! And as for the history, people slander Christians when they try to claim that Christians were violent. In every single age there have been pacifist fundamentalist Christians. That there were violent people who happened to be Christian does not condemn Christianity. They were not acting in the name of Christianity, it was largely political issues that drove the movements people like to condemn. In the case of the Crusades - THEY WERE A RESPONSE TO THE ISLAMIC JIHAD! Islam, whose doctrines do specifically require violence in the name of Islam, first invaded and subjugated the historical Christian and Jewish lands of the Middle East and North Africa etc. etc. That Christians finally fought back, too little too late, is nothing to condemn them for, they should be applauded. If they had done more, the World Trade Center would still be standing today, the Jews would be living in peace in Israel, and many other peoples would be free in their historic lands rather than living in fear under the jack boot of Islam. Islam used and uses violence to conquer and control and we see that today as we live. It should not be allowed in the West if the West wants to survive and remain free.
Posted by: AB95 | July 27, 2010 10:08 AM
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let me enlighten something to my muslim brothers..i have no hate against islam..but the history of islam and its propagation are entirely through bloodshed...they killed more people than anyone...take there history in india.....
quran is self contradictory.......anyone can interpret it as they wish....
when u r peaceful he reads good things in quran,,,
in places like chechnya,kashmir,palestine,afghanistan,iraq they read things which says to kil and crush non believers....
so its self contradictory...
quran teaches u to be peaceful only when other people agree with u other wise..boom........
Posted by: arun003 | July 27, 2010 8:23 AM
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Mosque building in the Muslim world at the moment ~ is the reason for being!!
It can't be a little mosque either, it must be the biggest pile of bricks they can get the Arab financiers to shovel out for!!
I thought it was interesting how you talked about Christian atrocities more than those committed by Islam.
We say ~ Islam has 150 million adherents in India ~ well during their conquests of India they killed up to 120 million Hindus and Buddhists ~ and took millions as slaves.
In the Afghan Hindu Kush region there was another slaughter possibly 30 million or more ~ likely more! Mostly Buddhists.
One of the things that has helped western / Christians nations to move on and to create a more enlightened existence ~ is the fact that we can openly talk about atrocities committed in the name of Christianity ~ or for conquest.
Muslims can't. One person reported from the Interfaith Dialogue, surprise, as many were astonished that Muslims had no plans to talk about the wrongs they had done throughout history ~ in fact they did not see mass slaughter of the non-believer as wrong at all ~ but as God ordained battles.
This is a huge obstacle to any sort of enlightenment occurring in the Muslim mindset.
In fact it backs up the jihadist aspect of Islam past and present.
The kid gloves around Islam ~ is forcibly promoting the idea of an Islam with an unblemished history.
We don't even accept this about our own history.
And further it allows Muslims to live in a dream bubble of a glorious history, that was perfect in all its forms.
As for tolerance ~ non-Muslims in the Islamic world don't have equal rights or a non-citizens [dhimmis] ~ we could be a long way off from any enlightenment coming from these quarters.
And especially if they believe that the rest of the world will easily bow to their rule!!
Posted by: roxn | July 27, 2010 8:03 AM
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ONCE AGAIN, more stereotyping and condescending judgment of Muslims. Mr. Lamb has no need of scientific polling data or nuanced discussions of the post-colonial political context. For someone who wants to be an academic scholar of religion, this is a very bizarre view indeed. He should read John Esposito, Huston Smith, and Karen Armstrong.
More Islamophobic hate in the comments section. Just another day On Faith.
Posted by: muslim1908 | July 26, 2010 10:45 PM
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I find the construction of the Mowque disgusting. However, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
To comprimise the Constitution of the United States is a victory for the terrorists.
Posted by: lynnlm | July 26, 2010 8:46 PM
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Well said. Bravo.
Posted by: nyadrian | July 26, 2010 7:55 PM
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@TWOFORG.....the problems with Islam and the non-Muslim world existed long before we were over there. Islam is a true threat to life as we know it.
Posted by: Christopher3 | July 26, 2010 7:33 PM
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@responsiblepublic.....tolerating the intolerance of Islam is a slow suicide for Western Civilization. Christians are Jews are not on worldwide movements attempting to impose a barbaric set of religious laws on all. Muslims are, and now it is time for America to ban all Muslim immigration.
For more on the issue.
Posted by: Christopher3 | July 26, 2010 7:31 PM
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Randas Lamb - there are many, many, many people standing up against intolerance by religious supremacists. America really has no shortage of that at all. But America cannot respond to intolerance within any religion with intolerance of its own. There is intolerance in every religion around the world.
If you disagree, I challenge you to prove it, because I can prove my case without a doubt. Replace the title of "Islam needs more tolerance, not more mosques" with any other religion and any other house of worship and see what level of tolerance you get from such an article.
Posted by: responsiblepublic | July 26, 2010 6:25 PM
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Two unlawful wars (Iraq, Afghanistan), a "war on terror" based upon lies about 9/11 (http://www.twf.org/911.html), neocons pushing for an attack on Iran (which is abiding by international law, treaties, etc.), more more than one million Muslims killed, millions more injured, uprooted, and you say Islam need more tolerance!!!
Posted by: twforg | July 26, 2010 5:17 PM
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