Greed Gets My Vote
"Pride" has suffered a fall since we began to learn in 2003 that boasting of our being the dominant power in the world and the most powerful in history did not help us in recent wars and now we even go running to little countries with big banks to stay alive financially. So it's bruised, but it'll be back.
"Sloth," which does not mean laziness-sloth, is always a candidate. It means, in Thomas Aquinas' concept, sadness in the face of spiritual good, the inability to "get up" for anything. It is benumbing, and indulging in it may be helpful in our quest to forget that we are in a war--"which no one noticed" at the mall.
"Lust" is colorful and gets tabloid attention but has its limits.
I vote for greed, which shows up on all pages of domestic coverage in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, etc. We Jesus-people have heard that we cannot serve God and Mammon, the god of material things like money, but we don't pay too much attention to that accent of Jesus, and devote energies to satisfying our greedy impulses which, by definition, cannot be satisfied. "Envy" goes with this one.
That takes care most of the seven "capital" (head of a column, not "deadly" originally) sins, leaving "gluttony," which is good for the diet industry and "anger," which readers may well show those of us who have not spoken of their favorite.
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Martin Marty
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January 21, 2008; 7:15 AM ET
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Posted by: TTWSYFAMDGGAHJMJ | February 12, 2008 11:42 AM
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BGONE:
Thanks for the passing grade. In reference to Lucifer, he (it) is an allegory. To ferret out the truth, answer the following question:
Why are the Biblical symbols for Satan and Jesus nearly always the same?
"Your adversary goes about as a lion..."
Jesus is the Lion of Judah
Lucifer is the bright and shining morning star.
So is Jesus, who is the Light of the world.
Moses posted a serpent on a staff in the wilderness as a symbol of the crucifixion of Christ on a cross.
Etc. A good source for the answer is also in the book of Romans.
BTW I liked your last posting.
Posted by: John Stephens | January 22, 2008 11:19 PM
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Have been reviewing the writings of St. Ignatious of Antioch and in particular the epistle to the Philadelphians. Various themes are encompassed in this ancient writing but none clearer to me than the concept of worshipping at one alter.
Seems our society has given more honor to people of wealth and power than to the Lord and Creator. And so the viscious cycle continues by some to aquire through greed those things which present instant fame or recognition during a very temporary state of realtime when viewed through the course of history.
People aspiring to wealth and power cannot be equated as Christians following the example of Christ. I don't see too many humble servants of God or Country in any political position right now, whether appointed or elected. There are no modern day King Davids.
For example, profits in certain industries only show short-term gains in the scope of things. All the while, in Iran and North America people are freezing to death on top of vast mineral reserves untapped because the Almighty dollar is placed before compassion and wisdom ?
Why do farmers in North America not have farm tractors fueled by natural gas right now ? Turmoil in the Middle East has increased our own dependency on Oil through price now leading to recession domestically. And that financial turmoil can be seen spreading globally through numerous international markets.
So I will state once more that religion was exploited to gain political favor here in the United States, politics being the vehicle of choice for many lusting after their own insatiable appetites for money and power. They just don't get it. There is no satisfaction in their quest if that quest is nothing more than personal ego satisfaction.
This is not a two dimensional world as viewed through television. In fact, the world has expanded through communication and information which can be used to apply the finest qualities of the ancient Philidelphians to our so called modern society on a global basis.
In the meanwhile, things are really out of balance as our stumbling economy now reflects unwise decision-making on the highest of levels.
When employees show up to work only wearing one shoe will the Employers recognize that their own greed has caused their servants to stumble ? That eventually being out of balance will trip up the common man resulting in losses to the so called ruling class.
What comes next in the short-term for our own society based on evidence of extremist capitalism which has disrupted global financial markets ? Certain predictions can be made and corrective actions can be implemented today only with an absense of denial. Unfortunately at this juncture, damages will be incurred by Middle Americans. Those recessionary proof will care little or not I suppose. Certainly during reccession it's not a good time for passing out jumpstarts.
As stated during the last midterm election of 2006, War in Iraq, fuel costs and the economy are the only things that matter to Americans. They did not listen then, will they listen now ? I suppose that some have not bottomed out as yet still denying the costs of ignoring the orginal sins, how Christian of us all.
Posted by: Hank Whatever | January 22, 2008 2:21 PM
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Now about greed and the Kudlow creed, "I believe free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity" -and greed is the heart and soul of free market capitalism. I added the addendum. Just an observation.
Isn't there something about 7 fat years followed by 7 lean years that's the word of God? Those who are "greedy" will knock themselves out hording during the 7 fat years and maybe have a bite or two left over at the end of the 7 lean ones? Is that what God wants or is that just what the smart ones do?
Here's an idea for ending greed. Why doesn't the government collect up all the food in the country. Then we can be sure no one will go hungry because of sinful greed. At feeding time, grab your ditty cup, get in line and repeat after me, "give us this day our daily bread."
Who would win and who would lose if the government did what it says in the Bible? The government, the administration at least attempts to do just that, righteously? Does that have anything to do with "all the money lost by the greedy banks has been found" by people soon to be known as the better class of people? God must have chosen them, huh?
It was so easy to gouge credit card borrowers with usury interest rates the greedy banks thought they could do the same thing with home loans. It's one thing to scrape up $40 to make a minimum credit card payment and something else to scrape up $4,000 to make a house payment. The name of that greedy game is, "too late smart." But someones, (smart?) found all that money by selling those houses.
Cry not for those bankers. They got/getting fired. Check out their severance pay checks, $130 million. That's the wages of sin. Greed is a sin isn't it Fr Marty? Makes ya wanna go out and do a little sinnin', greedy sinnin' that is.
Posted by: BGone | January 22, 2008 11:02 AM
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John Stephens:
Very good! That was a test you know. I'm giving you A+. What else do you know?
What says http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul is wrong -the being in the burning bush was really God? I mean what besides the word of those with a vested interest in it being God and not Lucifer? Maybe the big money doesn't really go to those leading the multitudes to the house of that being? Could that not really be the father of Jesus?
regards
Posted by: BGone | January 22, 2008 10:21 AM
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John Stephens:
"Dr. Marty, why do you quote Thomas Aquinas? By what standard is he an authority?"
There is a pretty strong concensus among those who study theology that Thomas Aquinas *is* not just an authority, but an important authority.
I recommend you drop in on www.gutenberg.org and download _Summa Theologica_. There's an English translation there and the download is both free and perfectly legal in the US and Australia (readers from other countries, check your copyright laws).
Mike
"This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good."
-- Thomas Aquinas
Posted by: MikeLM | January 22, 2008 10:14 AM
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Dr. Marty, why do you quote Thomas Aquinas? By what standard is he an authority?
Posted by: John Stephens | January 22, 2008 12:33 AM
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BGONE:
Close, but no banana. Jesus said that all sins whatsoever that a man commits may be forgiven except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
Cain did receive capital punishment. Because of the transgressions of Adam and Eve, they were all condemned to die, even as we all are.
Worshipping false gods is idolatry, which covers a lot of ground. Abraham's people worshipped idols, but God led him out of Ur of the Chaldees.
You seem to subscribe to the belief that Lucifer is a fallen angel, or Satan, and as in other postings, I perceive a morbid fascination with hellfire. It would be far more productive to accentuate the positive (hope of salvation) than to dwell on the negative (fear of torment).
Posted by: John Stephens | January 22, 2008 12:31 AM
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thishowiseeit:
Not worry about failure practice birth control. Birth control made retroactive by atom bomb. Isn't that nice, nature has built in cure for failure.
Better to not catch disease for medicine taste real bad. But then pharmaceutical company go out of business if no one catch something.
Buying stock on US market tomorrow be like catch falling knife. Selling stock tomorrow be too late smart. Selling short Friday was genius move. Watch CNBC in the AM and find that prophecy real. Headlines will tell you what happens if TV no work.
Why US government not buy preferred stock banks selling overseas? It carry 9.5% interest rate. Maybe Bush soon wake up and get off knees worship Lucifer.
Posted by: BGone | January 21, 2008 10:02 PM
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Considering that or planet is being damaged daily
by factors at least in part due to
overpopulation, it seem to me that a gargantuan
sin is made by some heads of religions or by some leaders of certain ethnic groups to ban their
followers to practice birth control.
Posted by: thishowiseeit | January 21, 2008 8:36 PM
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"Greed Gets My Vote"
All theological stuff aside... Doesn't it always?
Posted by: Paganplace | January 21, 2008 7:48 PM
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I'd say you did a bang-up job of connecting all them "not originally deadly" sins together. War is the outcropping of and the expected result of them as a set isn't it? We go to war, "the proud and the few" to gain the wealth that allows us to do gluttony as we feed on the goods gained "by right of conquest."
Now about those banks. Never forget that every dollar they lose and have lost will be and has been found by somebody. There are some subtleties of high finance that are generally not known by the average. The wealth of the nation as a whole is actually determined by how much "money = promise to pay = mortgage or a sorts" depositors have in banks.
Wealth is created when people make things of value, house for example. And when people make things the government prints money in an equal amount to the value thereof. That's done in a rather left handed way through borrowing against wealth created -by people making things -houses etc.
The problem now is not what happened to the money the banks lost but how they lost it. It was/is a matter of pricing created wealth. The money lost by the banks is now in safe hands, the ones who sold the houses, cars, etc. The cause of the losses is that which the banks loaned money to buy were grossly overpriced.
You are aware that according to sacred scriptures God forgives all sins but one, worshiping false Gods. Adam and Eve got punished alright and so did Cain without capital punishment even. But followers of Lucifer were thrown into a pit of fire, hell to burn forever and ever. http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul for that story which tells us there is but two deadly sins, worshiping false Gods and loaning money to buy overpriced real estate. The punishment for both removes any possibility of lingering pride.
The big money comes to those leading the multitudes to hell and making sub prime loans for a while. Then it's hell for them.
Posted by: BGone | January 21, 2008 4:16 PM
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Doctor Marty,
You are en excellent thinker, but seem to equate those living the academic life as the same as ordinary people.
So please stop saying "WE".
When my patients go out and buy something they really want but don't need (like an X box, or a new nicknak for their wall, or even a decent rug or sofa) I don't see this as greed, or as going against Jesus. They are merely seeking a little beautiful in their life, and most as Christians see Jesus as part of that beauty, someone who isn't a puritan but as one who would smile on their little pleasures of life.
However, when I read about the Hollywood type elite spending huge amounts nonsense, I think they are a bunch of greedy idiots. But how much of this is searching to fill their hearts with beauty, i.e. a search for God? Presumably their doctors (or maybe their mothers, or Jesus) knows the truth.
Posted by: Miguel Zambrano | January 18, 2008 11:16 PM
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IN REPLY TO "GREED GETS MY VOTE.":
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Lust gets my vote. Illicit sexuality is in everything we come in contact with. It inundates our literature, our movies, television, the news and magazines, our fashion, and nearly every aspect of our culture. Pornography is a billion dollar industry that has distorted the dignity of and exploitation of feminism. Sexual depravity has promoted homosexuality, AIDS, STDs, death, attacks on marriage, and has legitimated infidelity, adultery, and fornication.
Once, such immorality was a scourge of humanity, now it is in vogue. When Clinton lied in a federal court and to America, his defenders said, "So what, everyone lies about sex." So to the sexual pervert, lying became a virtue.
Marriage is being assaulted by the Supreme Court and the Court is on the verge of redefining Marriage to accommodate Gay Marriage, an oxymoron. Roe v. Wade redefined human nature, and because of it, over 48 million unborn have been legally murdered by abortion.
In a survey some years back, it found that only twenty five percent of couples who lived together in the Los Angeles area were married.
Jesse Jackson, before it became politically expedient, said abortion was Black Genocide. Seventy five percent of Planned Parenthood, (That is another oxymoron, they don't plan parenthood, the prevent it.) abortion mills are in areas of poverty, and mostly Black areas. Bill Cosby recently said that 70 percent of Black pregnancies occur out of wedlock, and some 55 percent end in abortion.
The most overpowering iniquity of American Culture is the Sexual Revolution and it has generated the Culture of Death. It's most devastating effect is that we are legally murdering our posterity, and have devaluated the dignity of human life. More so, we are eroding the sanctity of the family, the basic foundation of society.
Suicide is becoming the major cause of human death. The frustration caused by the Sexual Revolution, sex for pleasure alone, has created a depressive and devastating frustration of human life that for many, to escape the ignominy it has created, have fled to the drug culture. Sexual depravity is the explication of why suicide is becoming the major cause of death.