Understanding the Palin Prayers

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Yeah... us liberals are "beside ourselves" about her religion, all right. Beside ourselves because she's the "gift that keeps on giving". She's not a pit bull with lipstick, she's George W. Bush with lipstick.

I don't give a rat's a** about what she practices in her church. I'm a Wiccan. We do some things that look pretty weird to outsiders, too. What I DO care about is whether she will try to impose her church's teachings on the rest of us. I wouldn't want it for ANY religion in this pluralistic country. I care about whether she thinks this war is "God's Will", because we're already fighting against religious zealots who try to interpret the will of their God. We don't need that from our side.

Congratulations, Mr. Reynolds, on being the first person (to my knowledge) to apply modern political spin to religious discourse. You guys just may fool enough people to keep your denomination in the White House. I'm not fooled - when a person says that building a pipeline is god's will, that's what they mean - but it just may work.

Try not to gloat if you guys do succeed. The triumph of evil is always temporary.

DILD:

That the best you can do?

"Shut up" ?

Me thinks you protest too much.....

I hit the bullseye with you pal.

Perhaps not a atheist, but a bigot against conservative Christians.

You need to exercise your tolerance muscles bud.

They are very weak.

I should point out that Palin has now said (Gibson ABC) that the reading of her words on Iraq I suggested is what she meant . . . which was perfectly obvious to anyone who knows the subculture.

Here is a question: why do religion reporters get to report on a religion when they do not understand the dialect? Would we tolerate reporters who went to England, heard English, and then reported on it without noting the language differences?

Reasonable not Hateful

I am not an atheist, DUDE!

If you have ever heard me claim to be, then produce it for us all to see.

Like I said, I am a tolerant person, but I draw the line.

It is real hypocrisy for intolerant people like you to use intolerance in others as their defense.

Just shut up, instead!

DILD

Says:

"I believe that I am a tolerant person."

and "Pentecostals are not normal people"

and...."And on to another subject, it is my observation and belief, that intolerence is one of the defining characteristics of conservative Christianity, which is easily discernable on this forum. Angela, who posts often, is flamboyantly intolerant, and proud of it. In fact, she is clueless, even blank, on the concept of tolerance and why it is a good thing."

Very interesting.

Who's intolerant?

READ the above paragraph and apply it to yourself, dude. Your atheism is intolerant of anyone that believes that God has a role in people's lives, and believes that Christianity has positive influence in society. Flamboyant? Clueless?

Look in the mirror............

Dr. Reynolds, thanks for this piece. I got a particular kick out of your alliterative phrasing, "hyperventilates about the perils of Palin prayers," and I thought your comparison between the Pentecostal and Catholic perspectives was pretty illuminating. Well said.

I am disgusted with the Evangelicals confusion of Christianity and American civil religion.

When Evangelicals cheered when John McCain declared that he would pursue Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell to whom were they pledging allegiance? It was certainly not to Jesus who commands the love of one’s enemies. Idolatry is all about allegiance. Is it to Christ or country?

I strongly recommend reading Gregory Boyd’s MYTH OF A CHRISTIAN NATION: HOW THE QUEST OF POLITICAL POWER IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH.

Are Evangelicals using “God” as a symbol to manipulate others to agree with their idolatrous political gods?

or there shall be spells and other means, and global public inter-communication and inter-comprehension shall have losses.

astrologers with a verdict for Barack Obama, You have just two months for a better verbalization and Heavenly interpretations on Earth, i invite You to look, after nine days of purification, or twenty eight days. vision without genetics dont work properly. the words and syntax must be fully attained.

is there any genetic relation between Northern Iraqians and Eskimos, Mr Reynolds?

could You offer Your Woman to Your Friend and Guest, Mr John MArk "Rain of Elders"?

could You explain to people in Iraq why it is God's Will? Heaven? Garden of Eden? DAniel the Gold in the Bed of River with MAry of Mageddo's Liquid in the Sixth Bottle?

do You know why i wish a new year on this day, Mr John MArk "Rain of Elders"?

could You ask what Pipe Line is for Sarah PAlin, the governor in a land of snow. could You ask what Pipe Line is for a Computer Scientist. could You ask what Pipe Line is for a FAmily.

Daniel,

I cannot speak for Angela.

I can only say that I do not feel intolerant towards your views (rationally expressed).

I am also shocked by anyone who would look at the way people worship and choose to describe it in hateful ways . . . as if one could not do that with activities such as playing football!

If people choose ecstatic worship (not my thing, but their thing), and still live reasonable lives (as many Pentecostal I know do), then good for them.

Some people needs to mellow out!

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Just a point of departure for a rational discussion.

Sarah Palin actually said:

"My oldest, my son Track, he's is a soldier in the United States Army now; he's an infantryman.
And um, so Track sends his love also to his former nanny Christy.
And Track... Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq.
Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right.
Also for this country, that our leaders our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God.
That's what we have to make sure that we are praying for, that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan.
So uh... bless them with your prayers, your prayers of protection over our soldiers...”

Pentacostalists are not normal people. Speaking in tongues and collapsing in fits is scary. It is scary. It is disengenuous to suppose that it is just another matter-of-fact bland and non-threatening custom.

John Ashcroft held prayer meetings in his office at the Justice Department that he said were voluntary.

But come on, if you work for the guy, aren't you going to feel intimadated into joining in? I have heard of Jewish lawyers, Republicans, who worked for him in his office, who felt compelled to attend his prayer meetings, and who felt VERY resentful towards him. In my opinion, this is intolerant and even religious harrassment.

John Ashcroft is also the man who put a cloth curtain in front of the female nude bronze statues at the Department of Justice. What a backward, hick! What a rube! What a hillbilly (I can say that because I am from Appalachia). What a laughing stock he made of himself and of the Department of Justice.

Thank God I am not that bashful and prudish.

John Ashcroft was mortified at these bare breasts. But they did not, in any way, resemble a real woman's breasts. The statues were more than twice as large as a real woman, and were obviously not real women. And they were obviously metallic in nature, and not real flesh. And they were not statues of strippers, or of Ashcroft's pruriant image of strippers; they were in the Classical Greek style, which is regarded by many to be a highwater mark in the history of art.

I think that if a man (or a woman) is that prudish, then they should stay home and not ciruculate in the real world. If he can't bear to look at a 14 foot bronze statue of a nude woman, then he should see a psychiatrist, and not cover them up so that others, who want to see them, cannot see them.

A religion that does this to a man's mind is not good, it is not good. There is something wrong with religion that does this to a man's mind. What is so wrong with acknowledging this?

And on to another subject, it is my observation and belief, that intolerence is one of the defining characteristics of conservative Christianity, which is easily discernable on this forum. Angela, who posts often, is flamboyantly intolerant, and proud of it. In fact, she is clueless, even blank, on the concept of tolerance and why it is a good thing.

I draw a line with people like that. And people like that will never change my mind or move my heart. And it is not because there is something wrong with me; it is because there is something wrong with Angela. And I will never stop thinking that, and saying that.

The left is on a classic witch-hunt against Sarah Palin. They are searching high and low to find anything that they can turn against her. If they examined everything that Obama said this closely he would have been dust a year ago. The public knows this and in fact the lefts attempt to smear Palin is actually helping her and Mcain.

Stuart,

I did go to a secular university and studied Locke in grad school. Locke who had more than a bit to do with US Government. What do you make of all the Christian and Biblical references in Locke?

Did Locke have an invisible friend?

Does his influence on American life bother you?

JMNR

While I'm certain that US Government 101 is not an offering at the "university" you preach at, those of us with real college degrees are not interested in this person Palin's supernatural beliefs. We've got a lot of problems in this country, caused by the very party this extremist represents. I want to hear how they will be fixed. I do not care about her invisible friends and why they wanted her unwed teen daughter to become pregnant.

Angela,

If you wish to pray that your god's will be done in the privacy of your home and/or church you have my full blessing. But please respect my right not to join you! As far as my being mean, nasty and not having a clue that may be your opinion. However, I can guarantee you that I am way more tolerant on any given day than you will ever be!

Dr. Reynolds,

I watched Ms. Palin's speech at the Republican convention and I was appalled. I also read up on decisions she made while in office as Governor and as as mayor. There is nothing "Christian" about her. You are right, bimbo was not the right term to describe her, ignorant bully fits her much better.

Also, as far as speaking "in tongues" goes. Any educated person should know that tongues is just another term for languages. So if anything, that phrase in Acts means nothing more than being able to converse in a foreign language. I can understand that hillbillies and rednecks who barely finished junior high believe in "speaking in tongues" as interpreted by the Pentecostals, but a supposedly educated woman?????

The Office of the Presidency, and that includes the Vice President, has a mandate to protect and respect ALL Americans. I believe she is unfit for office as she surely believes that "Christian" Americans are superior to all others.

So upon reflection, I back down for calling her a bimbo when I really meant to say bully.

I should add that Governor Palin can, of course, take "care of herself." Who would deny it?

We were called, however, to comment on her religious views on this blog.

Why would I refrain from doing so just because she is very competent at self-defense? I have not done so with other politicians such as Governor Romney.

I am unclear why Palin should be treated differently than Romney or why this was brought up. Last time I checked it was not brought up in my Romney post.

I shall treat Governor Palin (as a candidate) as I treated Governor Romney.

Dear Daniel,

Intolerance is not, in fact, part of my religious believe system. Thinking someone wrong is not intolerance. It can be said calmly. I am a Platonist and I think my Aristotelian friends seriously mistaken. I do not feel compelled to read them out of the community!

Of course since you think my views not just mistaken, but wicked, you should not be tolerant of me. I think you are mistaken in your belief and will try (over time) to convince you that you are wrong.

While we are doing this it would be best (he says to himself) if we did not use terms such as the ones Gaby uses. Yes?

As for ludicrous associations of all Pentecostals with mental disease (not made by you Daniel), I can only ask for studies and other data before such charges are made. Millions of regular Americans (of all races and social backgrounds) are Pentecostals. They seem perfectly normal. To seriously read them out of the rational community without compelling evidence other than personal discomfort with what they do (which harms nobody) or facile comparisons with other groups strikes me as dangerous.

John Ashcroft (senator and former attorney general) was a Pentecostal. One can disagree with his politics, but he was a sane man by any reasonable standard. He acted with integrity in office.

We have run into this same intolerance and haste with Mormons running for office. I argued strongly (here and on my personal blog space) that it was wrong when applied to Mormons and is wrong here.

There is nothing about Palin's religion that should threaten anyone. Her politics (some of which flow out of her religion) are mainstream Republican.

You might not like it, but the Republic will not fail if she is Vice-President.

I feel the same way, by the way, about Senator Obama's church affiliation. He is a mainstream left-of-center Protestant. I am not going to vote for him (because I disagree with him), but I admire the Senator and wish him well.

To John Mark Reynolds and Angela

Sarah Palin told us she is a pitt bull. So, she can take care of herself, can't she?

Also, when intolerance is part of your core religious belief system, it is hypocritical to insist that other people be tolerant of you.

In fact, it is important for everyone to direct their intolerance towards people like you, to help you understand how wrong intolerance is, in general, so that you can reform your hearts and beliefs as you learn to regard people in a new and better way.

I believe that I am a tolerant person. Yet if I should ever direct my intolerance towards people such as yourselves, it is for your own good and to help you be better people.

I think it is wrong to be tolerant of what I consider to be your wickedness.

I have a brother that is a pentacostal minister where he and the congregation speak in tongues and fall on the ground in frenzy induced seizures.

I have observed the same physical phenomena in vudon's in Haiti, and seen evidence of short term psychosis and chronic mental disorders resulting from these extreme and dangerous behaviors.

I would recommend Lithium and behavior modification therapy in either situation.

It would suggest that Palin is medically unfit for the office of President.

How come Sarah Palin can't tell us what she meant, instead of having an army of men speaking for her, and interpretting for us all what she "really" meant?

Gaby, you are mean, nasty and down right don't have a clue; we should all pray for God's will to be done. Why don't you calm down and read what John Mark said. You would do well to post on maybe the DailyKos or maybe NBC or MSNBC.

Gaby, you are mean, nasty and down right don't have a clue; we should all pray for God's will to be done. Why don't you calm down and read what John Mark said. You would do well to post on maybe the DailyKos or maybe NBC or MSNBC.

Gaby, you are mean, nasty and down right don't have a clue; we should all pray for God's will to be done. Why don't you calm down and read what John Mark said. You would do well to post on maybe the DailyKos or maybe NBC or MSNBC.

Gaby,

Surely you don't mean to sound so intolerant!

Why should her private prayer practices (tongues) be of any relevance unless she makes them so? (She mentions them as a qualification for office.)

If Palin is a fundamentalist, then so are many if not most Americans (surely tens of millions). Surely you don't mean to disenfranchise them all?

As for the other term you use . . . derogatory language about women isn't pretty when either the right our the left use it.

I am sure that on reflection, you will back down. Often I get over-caffeinated and my comment box posts don't come out as I meant them to be.

To compare Palin to Roosevelt is downright ridicules. This is 2008, not the 1930's. I surely hope that this nation will not elect this "tongue" speaking, fundamentalist bibmo as VP.

God’s will I would think would be to heal everyone. Back in the time Jesus saw that the wealthy were keeping all the protein for themselves and the poor and indentured servitude got only bread, a diet of which leads to severe malnutrition, biochemical malfunction and disease, so he was teaching them how to fish and make nets that they could get needed to eat protein and actually lift themselves from poverty. Therefore his will would be “The End of Disease” which you can read the steps and insight here.

There is no cure for disease, but there is a solution, the end of disease
http://intelegen.com/there_is_no_cure_for_disease.htm

You can also read the Fish Story Here
Sirius The FBI Agent and The Fish Company
http://iamblogging.net/Urgo/archives/2004/10/sirius_the_fbi.html

Obviously the people in positions of power are not doing God’s will because we would be implementing Universal Health not Universal Disease Care.

I have analyzed God's energy system design. Gas pipe lines are not his design.

He suspended a nuclear reactor overhead which distributes energy equally for free, all over the planet, effortless to use.

As I brought to our attention before:

In looking at the energy systems in the human body, and there isn't centralized production of energy, there is decentralized production of energy. Each cell has it's own energy production as should each house on the planet. We do need storage just like the ATP molecule in the body.

It's too bad that some don't have me by their side to duel against the fictions. I have this really cool sword ~Excalibur~.

GM is burdened by disease care costs it runs into the tens of billions. This is not good for America. It is time to implement Universal Health, not Universal Disease Care.

I also know about their internal accounting practices, and hence the need for transparency.