A Global Agenda for Change in Muslim-Christian Relations

FarnazMansouri;

I think the feeling of being "duped" is share mutually. The PLO for most part was a Nationalist movements with Christians supporters like Hannan Ashrawi and Edward Said at the forefront fighting the political side of there freedom struggle. That has all changed now. The shift towards right was completed with Election victory of Hamas. If you ask my opinion I believe Palestinian people should have stuck with PLO as it only provides a realistic chance for peace, same goes for Israel. People like Avigdor Lieberman, thrive in these kinds of situations. Making peace would be akin to shooting themselves in the foot for them.

Well I would say the feelings for Saudi's and their Wahabbi form of Islam is shared. I have grown to understand there Politics and the proxy war they fight with Shias in Pakistan through their various madarassah's. I wouldn't say I hate them, but certainly their respect in my eyes has diminished the more I learn about them.

Its sad that 3 million Jews who were living peacefully with their fellow muslims had to leave their lands as a direct consequence of the diabolical creation of Israel. It was a watershed moment in our relations and frankly Israel, with its occupation of West Bank and parts of Syria and Lebanon will keep sticking out as a sore thumb in our relationship. I frankly have no idea how many of the diaspora would really want to return to Iran, Pakistan or other countries of the Middle-East. They seem to be living a life in much more peacefull and developed countries. I doubt if their children would wanna go back even if they themselves want to go back. That is in total contrast to the situation of Palestinians ofcourse who continue to live in an abominal state.

You can disagree with my viewpoints as well as much as you like. Im ok with that. You can also in the future chose to ignore my posts. Im ok with that too. But I am enjoying this rather more "civil" discourse and maybe I can write only about the Banu Quraizah affair in one of my posts sometime and see if we can find common grounds on that issue~!

yasseryousufi,

Just for future reference: Whether you agree or disagree with my views on Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iran, for that matter, is of no consequence to me. No offense, but I form my views slowly over time, and they are based on evidence.

So long as you post civilly to me, I will post civilly to you. You need not agree with me on anything, share any of my views.

Also, I didn't see anything in your post on the Quorayza Jews, just a beginning. I can and will go further, right up to today.

And please do not write to me about what "most Jews" know, etc. Do you know most Jews? I don't.

Yasseryousufi,

I will have to get back to you since I don't have time now to post to you now at length. I will say this. Internally, the acceptance of the Clinton plan was met with great joy. It was only the conservatives who doubted Arafat's sincerity, not even the moderates. There were those of us watching from abroad who knew it was a farce on ARafat's part, but we reasoned, and believe me, we are not of one mind politically, that we are not Israelis, that we must support our brothers and sisters, who only wish to live in peace.

Meanwhile back at the Likud front, Netanyahu and to a lesser extent Sharon continued to show Palestinian textbooks replete with vile filth, but no one believed them. Until the attack on Sharon.

Bad, bad, bad move. A country that had always been generally left-leaning that had negotiated through weekly terrorist attacks sees that they have been duped.

Guess what? Surprise, surprise. Loss of trust, country swings to the right. Duh. What would one expect?

The Saudis are the biggest purveyors of antisemitic filth in the known world. Their are texts I have of theirs written in Arabic, that are, of course, hilarious, but they are sickeningly racist. Carracatures of Jews are all over the Middle East
AND very much in Pakistan. I have these newspapers in my files. Pictures cannot be published here.

THREE MILLION is what we exiled Jews now number. When do we get to return to our homelands? When does Ismael's family and mine get to bury him, he who was murdered in front of me by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard when I was a child?

WE want to bury him.

NOt only are there bizarre cartoons, but there have been psychotic film, btw.

Sorry.....had to cut the post into 2, it was so long! Here's the second part;

Im not surprised that you do not have the time to revisit the almost 1000 year period when Islamic governments were the dominant force in the world, and there are no stories of murder campaigns against Jews in the vast stretch of land muslims controlled atleast on the scale of those commited by Christians. Jews kept high posts in the muslim courts. I can name a number of such people if you want. Jews were also free to pray in Jerusalem and the only persecution they faced in the Holy lands was at the hands of Crusaders. But that I believe goes against the indoctrination most Jews have that Islam is inherently against Jews. 1000 years is a long time. If muslims really were intrinsically against Jews, there was ample time for them. But you wouldnt wanna waste your time indulging in those silly facts from the history. And oh yeah, you did raise 1 incident in the 1500 pre-israel history of muslims and jews where a tribe of Jews was punished for breaking its pledge and siding with Meccans in the war to exterminate all muslims. I do not see anything wrong with that considering the times this happened.

I think enough has been said about the deal offered to Arafat and I do not want to make this post a never ending one debating that. Why didn't the Israeli's accept the more straight forward Saudi Peace Plan? Even though never managed to find a fault with it. It would have instantly guaranteed security for Israel as well as isolating its supposed enemy Iran. With regards to the Saudi Kings and Egyptian Dictators antipathy towards Palestinians, well they are just corrupted to the core pawns of Americans which americans will hang on to till their last breath, they do not speak for the overwhelming majorities of their population and the less said about them the better.

Having said that, If your friend was murdered by the Iranian Revolution Army for being Jewish I believe its the most regretable thing. I also hope that this vile accident hasn't prevented your thought process to look objectively at all incidents and not deadset your mind into looking at all things Islamic with that incident in mind~!

FarnazMansouri;

As much as I am pleased to hear of your Middle-Eastern and Pakistani connections, I do believe that your claim that governments spread anti-semitism to divert attention from their own inactions, is a bit over stretched. I do not know much about Iran or Arab countries, but most newspapers published in Pakistan have an online edition and I am yet to see a cartoon which I could be depicted as anti-semitic. Sure there would be references to the brutal bombings in Gaza and Lebanon and cartoonists have their own way to look at atrocities, but if you mean that "Jews" are maybe depicted as pigs or Prophet Moses with a ticking bomb in his turban, I can tell you with certainty that the Pakistani taste for satire is much more refined than that.

Speaking of Anti-Semitism, I honestly believe its a cow that has been milked enough so much so that the line between genuine criticism of Israel and pure naked anti-semitism has been so blurred that its impossible to criticize even the most brutal killing of women and children without being called an anti-semite. So for instance if you believe that I will find the views of Nelson Mandela or Desmond Tutu, in which they see similarities between their own struggle for freedom against a brutal occupier and that of Palestinians, as anti-semitic, Im sorry that wont happen. But if for instance a Jewish man is beaten up at a subway for saying Happy Hanuka, that would be wrong and should be condemned universally.

test~!

Yasseryuousufi,

Final thoughts: Nations which are rabidly racist with respect to Jews and Palestinians have not been helpful in the "peace process."

yasseryousufi:

My "hateful" posts as you refer to them do not concern Islam, but the behavior of some Muslims, too many, Yasseryousufi. I was born in the MIddle East, have not been a stranger to it, am in Pakistan once every year and a half or so. The governments of many of these nations run newspapers in which the most vile Jew hatred is depicted in cartoons, yes cartoons, "articles," etc. This is spread in MOSQUES and in the streets, all of it government encouraged to keep the people diverted from the true sources of their oppression, endless corruption in government, massively unequal distribution of wealth, etc.

When that filth appears on this blog, you bet I'm going to respond. Have no doubt, Yasseryousufi, I will. Of course, should people like you do as I do, and condemn antisemitism just as I do anti-Muslim sentiment when it appears here, then whatever I write would not be necessary. But if not, I'll be here.

I don't have time to go into Muslim "hospitality" to Jews with you right now, except to say that I'm from Iran, that when I was a girl, I saw my familiy's friend Ismael dragged from our home, murdered by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, in front me. His blood spattered on my clothes.

One thinks back a long, long way, to the Quorayza Jews, for example....

And, as for Christians, yes, they are considered idolaters, and worse, are the sweepers of Pakistan, Bangaladesh. I find some of the translations of Quoran interesting, in the ways they deviate from it in Arabic. I find the sudden emphasis on Isa interesting given that more is written in Quoran about Musa than about any other prophet....

As for Zionism, you refer to it as if it were a unified doctrine; it isn't. There have been enough books and articles on Zionism to fill a library.

Had the Palestinians followed through with the Clinton accords, there would have been two states by now. Any thoughts?

Bear in mind, that no one can stop the corruption among the feudal Palestinian families, among some elements of the government, etc. Who, after all, killed ARafat's nephew?

Do I think Palestinians should suffer? No, Yasseryousufi. I don't think anyone should. I think that any Arab leaders who sincerely give a darn about the Palestinians (none do, and I'd be happy to go there with you) might wish to stop their own antisemitism, Jew hatred, might make them more convincing. Also, as in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, they might want to stop persecuting Palestinians too. Why is it that Palestinians in Egypt cannot get an education? Why is it that Palestinians in Saudi Arabia are treated as if they were trash, garbage, are considered "dirty"?

I am not talking about that of which I don't know, may I add.

FarnazMansouri,

I usually make it a point not to condemn Jewish people for the crimes of Zionist movement (which I believe is a racist movement on the scale of Nazism, one only has to look at the flag of Israel to understand this movement). It hurts me when people equate the actions of a minority of reactionaries with Islam calling it hatefull mediaval, totally forgeting the contributions muslims have made to the society. So yea....I shouldn't have used the word "Judaism" as it construed to have the same meanings that I dislike for myself.

I will not go into whether some of your posts seemed downright hatefull as well, because I can see we do have some common grounds which can only be good. I have no patience for the people murdering innocents in the name of Islam, including any suicide bombings in Israel killing soft targets like women and children. I wonder whether you also believe that the Palestinians have been wronged and continue to suffer at the hands of a racist movement aimed at uprooting their homes and colonizing it. There is one more thing I find dishonest about supporters of Israel, in that they totally ignore the fact that the muslim lands (including Iran and even Karachi where I live) were comparatively more hospitable to Jews than anywhere else in the world. Jews suffering discrimnation at the hands of Europeans like pope or spaniards found refuge in muslim countries. It all changed ofcourse after the creation of Israel in the muslim holy lands. So to just say that muslims hate jews, without taking into consideration the treacherous chain of events leading to the creation of Israel and continuation of it, is as I say dishonest.

yasseryousufi

"It might surprise you but I usually find your comments in ON FAITH very interesting as long as the topic being discussed is not Islam and thats where I feel you get your biases and prejudices get the better of yourself. Do you seriously believe that all they do in the mosques is curse christians? Have you ever been to a mosque?"
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You are mistaken on several counts. First off, I do not have biases and prejudices against Islam. I have zero tolerance for Islamism and bigotry. I have defended Islam against the likes of CCNL1 and others and can try to pull up the postings if you insist. I have never seen you protest antisemitism. I have, however, seen you write it. Scroll down.

What I oppose, and I oppose it with every fiber of my being is racism. And that very much includes anti-Jewish racism. There was and is absolutely no reason why Jews were excluded from this pointless conference, especially considering the Jew hatred in the Middle East and parts of Asia, the attacks on Jews by Muslims in Europe. That, Yasser, is racism, for which there is no excuse whatsoever. Period. Racism always reveals more about the racist than his/her targets.

Yet when I raised the issue of the exclusion of Jews from the conference, here is what you wrote:
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"Prof. Esposito,
Why am I not impressed? Could it be due to all of Georgetown's historic Exxon funding? Could it be due to the convenient erasure of Jews from the table, evidently from the discussion?
Something else?"

"This is pre-Apocalyptic for sure. Also, out of chronological order. Should have read "Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Scriptures" (sic)."

er.......unlike what most zionists believe, the world doesnt revolves around Judaism only. Or are the Zionist worried that if Christians can somehow mend their differences with muslims, the world domination goals of Zionism might not be realized~!

Posted by: yasseryousufi | October 13, 2009 4:07 AM
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This is not bias, not prejudice. It is simple racism. And we've had this discussion before. Perhaps, we are blogging passed one another--I don't know.

On anti-Christian sentiment among some Middle Eastern and Asian Muslims, I can and will speak, but not now, since I believe I've covered enough here, and, yes, I've been in a mosq.

FarnazMansouri1,

It might surprise you but I usually find your comments in ON FAITH very interesting as long as the topic being discussed is not Islam and thats where I feel you get your biases and prejudices get the better of yourself. Do you seriously believe that all they do in the mosques is curse christians? Have you ever been to a mosque?

Having said that I agree with your analysis. Pakistan was overwhelmingly moderate before Zia took over and with Saudi money started radicalizing the whole society. Singing and Dancing even on religous festivals was the popular culture of Pakistan and Sufism was the dominant belief system. Then came Zia's terrible rule and public floggings and hangings for "unislamic" activities became a norm. Pakistan is in a terrible mess.....that goes without saying. It has been a proxy state for the US ever since its begining. And its an open secret that USA is the biggest foe of democracy in these parts. Its only comfortable working with Generals and Dictators. All this has led to where we are today. But I believe now there is some of evidence that the tide is finally turning. People are realizing that behind the mask of piety and religous struggle is the same ugly face that seeks power, wealth, women and all other worldly things. These people survive on public sympathies. I believe slowly those sympathies are dying down. For the sake of Pakistan one hopes it happens as soon as possible~!

zebra4,

I'm not sure what you mean. What I was and am trying to say is that the situation in Pakistan is horrific. The facts of Afghanistan, of Zia, of CIA and military involvement in both nations, provocation of the Russians into war, have never been disputed as far as I know.

This may make you uncomfortable as it does me, but that is beside the point. ONe of my friends had the "privilege" of picking up George Bush from the airport during his visit to Pakistan, in the midst of great turnoil, ambivalence regarding the US. He spent twenty-four hours there, before promptly heading off for India, where he spent several days. How were pro-American factions supposed to deal with this? They did their best, but....

Shortsighted behavior such as this feeds right into the hands of extremists. There is terrorism in Pakistan on several fronts. The army regulars aren't paid, are ripe for indoctrination, etc, etc. Old stories.

Your agreement or disagreement is beside the point. These are the facts. Regardless of what we do now, it may be too late. The semi-feudal order is breaking down, "landless men" are roaming urban areas, men ripe for extremism, etc. STill the feudal lords hold on.

Only industrialization brings the need, desire, and means for education. The wealthy landowners, businessmen, corrupt politicians have no interest in that, and the "aid" that comes in to Pakistan via various lenders has a brain-dead capitalist mentality. Rather than deal with infrastructure, they wish Pakistan to develop "international markets."

Nothing will change there unless we rethink our own interests. Even then, it may be too late.

In the meantime, Pakistanis live with terror. That, Zebra4, is my point.

'Nuf said.

Farnaz1Mansouri1 :

Although I may or may not agree with some parts and not agree with other parts of your statement, it has nothing to do with the original post of Coloradodog.

My point was terrorism and fanaticism have been condemned by moderate Muslims. Pakistanis are fighting extremism and fanaticism right now.

I do agree with you that the people (masses) find themselves helpless there.

Who says moderate Muslims have not denounced the Taliban and the Al-Qaida?

Why do you think Pakistan is bombing the region in their territory where suspected groups are hiding?

Why do you think Pakistan is allowing drone attacks on suspected hidouts within their sovereign territory?

Posted by: zebra4 | October 13, 2009 9:16 AM
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My closest friends live in Islamabad. I don't know if you're aware of this, but Pakistanis have the remarkable capacity to go on from day to day, take it all in stride, etc., with a degree of courage I have rarely seen.

The last time I was in Islamabad, roughly a year and a half ago, this was not the case.
The scandal with the judiciary, Benazir's assassination, the installation of her husband, widely hated, the Red Mosque back in business, the attacks have them at a loss. Again and again, I heard ordinary people say that their country was a failed state.

Secular students, some brilliant academics, among them famous people, and many ordinary folk continually refuse to give in, hold out hope.

I hate to say it, but we continually add to their problems. We are uninterested in Pakistan, have never been interested, except to exploit it. Americans are unaware that we put Zia in power, that we armed, supported the Taliban, Zia and the Saudis helping, that Zia brought fundamentalism to Pakistan. The United States did this. Why? Because Bhutto had said he would introduce socialist reforms.
Why? Afghanistan. Why? Sucking up to the Saudis.

Casualties: Pakistan, Afghanistan.

Remember, too, that our interests have always been with INdia, always.

Finally, consider the million students who marched for the restoration of the judiciary. The majority of Pakistanis want an end to the bloodshed and a secular Islamic state on the order of Turkey.

God help them all.

er.......unlike what most zionists believe, the world doesnt revolves around Judaism only. Or are the Zionist worried that if Christians can somehow mend their differences with muslims, the world domination goals of Zionism might not be realized~!
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Errr....that is what I like most about Islamists. They tell one another in their Mosques every week that Christians are idolators, persecute them in Muslim countries, make them sweepers in Pakistan, etc., but then suck up to them in America.

One wishes they's purchase mouth wash. Islamists Jesus and Mary all over the place, neglecting to tell Christians that Jesus, in the Muslim view was not the Son of God, not divine, and if the Christians continue their idolatrous ways, they will surely go to hell.

Of course, the Islamists don't only persecute Christians, they persecute B'hai, Hindus, women, gays, etc.

The Islamists blow us up, Christians and Jews, blow us up Hindus, deprive us of rights.

That's the Islamists for you. No matter how much oil money funding Georgetown takes, they can't take it with them.

Islamists know that.

Maybe the good professor can tell us why moderate, "peaceful" Muslims don't denounce their murderous Taliban and al-Qeada terrorists and why moderate, "peaceful" Christians don't denounce their political terrorists like Fred Phelps, Randall Terry and Mormon Elder Glenn Beck.
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Who says moderate Muslims have not denounced the Taliban and the Al-Qaida?

Why do you think Pakistan is bombing the region in their territory where suspected groups are hiding?

Why do you think Pakistan is allowing drone attacks on suspected hidouts within their sovereign territory?

"Prof. Esposito,
Why am I not impressed? Could it be due to all of Georgetown's historic Exxon funding? Could it be due to the convenient erasure of Jews from the table, evidently from the discussion?
Something else?"

"This is pre-Apocalyptic for sure. Also, out of chronological order. Should have read "Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Scriptures" (sic)."

er.......unlike what most zionists believe, the world doesnt revolves around Judaism only. Or are the Zionist worried that if Christians can somehow mend their differences with muslims, the world domination goals of Zionism might not be realized~!

Dear ANTi-BAD:

Hello Karen Armstrong>/b> and jealous George Town & Burkley Centers * Co.;
WHY do you 'Delete" or 'Purge" some beautiful Ideas; Then, in order to PLAZERIZE [Payment in kind Free???] such Novel truth?.
Example: Ye hath deleted This:
"Dear 'Sis{star' Armstrong:
Since ALL competing Judeo-Abe-ic Faith/Belief/Religion [a
trinity like] man-made SYSTEMS Plus ALL competing
Judeo-Ved-ic Religion/Faith/Believe other man-made
Systems, in N. AMERICA & S. AMERICA, art in Fact
all "iMPORTED" (Not-MADE-IN-AMERIKS) SYSTEMS,
That the AMERiCAn SECULAr PROLETARIATE's Union of
America, must Demand, upon the [THIS] S.pace-S.hip
Earth Cirizenary, via the U.nite N.ations Assembly; that
WE [i] APOCALYPTARian, aka "HUe{MATE(s)", not PREAPOCALYPTaryan
HUMAN(s); DEMAND 3-Things of
Earthlings!
1st) LESS "RELiGION" (i.e., The RELiGION OF
EVERYTHING, before the SCience Of Everything via
thee "O.ne U.niversal R.eligion" BOOK! Meaning
PLURALITY is the FUTURE-BOUND & SPACE-FORTH
course; Not PLURALITY of Ye (not our) Pre-Apocalyptic
Judeo-abics & Judeo-Vedics god(s) [POLY-THEO; zero
MONO-theo] gods Systems!
2nd) LESS "CURRENCiES" (i.e., This S.pace-S.hip Only
Needs, say 9 or 5 Major Currencies.) Yet backed up by ,
not Gold or Military might or Agricultural mights, but via
ENRICHED URANIUM; the windfall or gift to our Future-
Bound & Space-Forth Active MEME's on Earth, not only in
Amerik's!
3rd) LESS "NATIONS" Building. (i.e., There are already ,
like Too many Religions or Too many Currencies, too many
NATIONS (192 the last count at the U.N.) Polluting
HUMANITY & their Brains competing for a buck & Gods!
Soo, 99 Nations will be good.
Example: Imagine S.outh Amerik Being United States!
Imagine N.orth America via Canada + U.S. + Mexico + all
the way to Panama; Where the U.S. Flag can potential
harbor 101 States therein/at!??
PS: The Apocalyptarian G-D (aka "IT"; not a "HE" nor
"a "SHE") of the "SECULAR-PROLETARIATE
iNTERNATIONAl GRiD SYSTEM " hath Spoken!
Hence OUR INTROViSiON's. A Prophecy Whose time is
over-Due. Behold: The RELiGION OF EVERYTHING
before the Science of Everything.

Continued:

WHEREFORE Sing, unto
O'
Lord "E-K-L-A-H"! SOURCE-ONE! And by manymanymany
never before herd songs & names!
HALLALUYA! Praise "IT"! Our O.U.R. HOLYi-NO-MANWOMB!
Soo, Please GO &
VOTE: GRiDARIAN DEMOCRATiC PARTY 2012 to
experience the ELEMENTS OF BEYONDNESS via the
HOlyi COsmic FEelers FAiTH, a belief, like a Religion yet
Better!"

a "SHE") of the "SECULAR-PROLETARIATE
iNTERNATIONAl GRiD SYSTEM " hath Spoken!
Hence OUR INTROViSiON's. A Prophecy Whose time is
over-Due. Behold: The RELiGION OF EVERYTHING
before the Science of Everything. WHEREFORE Sing, unto
O'
Lord "E-K-L-A-H"! SOURCE-ONE! And by manymanymany
never before herd songs & names!
HALLALUYA! Praise "IT"! Our O.U.R. HOLYi-
NO-MANWOMB!
Soo, Please GO &
VOTE: GRiDARIAN DEMOCRATiC PARTY 2012 to
experience the ELEMENTS OF BEYONDNESS via the
HOlyi COsmic FEelers FAiTH, a belief, like a Religion yet
Better!
ORGINIALLY posted: BY: ANTI_BAD | OCTOBER 11, 2009 12:09 PM
Noe Re-posted by: cyber-man | October 13, 2009 12:04 AM

"the Vatican had brought together global religious leaders and academic experts who explored the theological and scriptural bases and implications of the foundation of A Common Word, the two great commandments, Love of God and Love of Neighbor, based directly Christian, Muslim and Jewish Scriptures."

This is pre-Apocalyptic for sure. Also, out of chronological order. Should have read "Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Scriptures" (sic).

Influence panic? Theo-existential insecurity? The slaves pounding on the plantation doors?

Dear Jo Espo C/O: ANTi.BAD et al:

Ye hath Freudiantly Slippeth'd and Pre-Apocalyptically saith,

"the Vatican had brought together global religious leaders and academic experts who explored the theological and scriptural bases and implications of the foundation of A Common Word, the two great commandments, Love of God and Love of Neighbor, based directly Christian, Muslim and Jewish Scriptures.

Questiion: How much of This Theoligical POW-WOW [of Imprted Religions in Amerik, Not MADE in America] was 'Subsidized' by OUR tax-Payers money via the OBAMA's 'Faith Based Initiative" ??

After-All Last Week or two Britisher's Low-Lifes via "BONO" {Oprah Winfreys & Co, "SECRET" pals] built a Stage as if a Spac-Ship [Ummmm?] and The PLUTOCRATS [Government Run by the Rich/Wealthy] Of Washington, D.C. America; Like Nancy Polosi et al....

WHO PAID for THIS [ALL]! The VATican? BOBO? BLAIR? George Town? or did WE [i] The [SIPP] aka "SECULR INTERNATIONAL PROLETARiATE PEOPLE"????

Question again: WHERE is the [unconstitutional] $2,000,0000 of Stolen Tax-Payers [un-Godly] money , w/out THE-PEOPLES Consent/Approval/Voter, is going; who?, where, Why...???

Rise-Up! Rise-Up "SIPP"s Time to Take-Back Our Nation, as Promised US!

Dear Fellow Americans; To Hell with the Friendly's! Beacuse the TRUTH (opposite MYTH) "OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD!"

Question Mr. OBAMA, Polosi, & CO; POPE & CO. LaLaLa... WHERE is Osama Bin Laden???? You know He is Dead! So Why? Why? Lie to The-People?? SELF Agrandizement?

A REVOLUTION; not only a REVELATION is comming!

VOTE: Down with THEOCRAY & DOWN with MONARCHY, in America via ENGLAND et all!

Get Out of AMERIK England! Get Out! Or WE will Force You Out and Take-Over ALL Your Assets/Investments HERE!

Hary! ARise PROLETARIATES: Vote: ENGLISH MONARCH w/THEOCRACY in Cahooch with THEOCRATIC VATICAN's & CO must be Destroyed or Dulky Stopped Today, not Morrow!

O' APOCALYPTARIAN's! Beware the Jealous/Evil?Satanic PRE-APOCALYPTARYAN's!

May god cuese the QUEEN! Curse Opra WINFREY & Friends et al!!

A NEW BOSTON TEA PARTY is Comming Soon Soon Very Soon!

Prof.

Other convenient erasures were Hindus, B'hai. (I knew there was more!)

Prof. Esposito,

Why am I not impressed? Could it be due to all of Georgetown's historic Exxon funding? Could it be due to the convenient erasure of Jews from the table, evidently from the discussion?

Something else?

Oh, and Dog, add Catholics to the list.

Coloradodog opines:

"Maybe the good professor can tell us why moderate, "peaceful" Muslims don't denounce their murderous Taliban and al-Qeada terrorists and why moderate, "peaceful" Christians don't denounce their political terrorists like Fred Phelps, Randall Terry and Mormon Elder Glenn Beck."

Err...Perhaps, for the same reason Christians don't denounce "atheistic" (LOL) Christian Jew and Muslim haters such as you.

See Kessler's thread.

Nothing of lasting value will result from this conference, just as nothing of lasting value has ever resulted from any other similar conference.

The benefit of the conference is that it gets the participants out of their offices and routines, gives them a breath of fresh air, and makes them feel virtuous.

Maybe the good professor can tell us why moderate, "peaceful" Muslims don't denounce their murderous Taliban and al-Qeada terrorists and why moderate, "peaceful" Christians don't denounce their political terrorists like Fred Phelps, Randall Terry and Mormon Elder Glenn Beck.

Kudos to John Esposito for advancing the ideas of reaching out and promoting understanding between peoples of Christian and Muslim faiths.

Hope this will be extended to peoples of other faiths as well.

Living in the 21st century should mean that reconciliation and not confrontation is the recipe for peace, justice, and equality.