Jesus Taught Revolution in an Evolutionay Way

Yes, Jesus taught revolution. But to say that revolution was the goal of his ministry somehow diminishes Jesus' divinity, I think.

You might say that Jesus taught revolution in an evolutionary way. Revolutions are exclusionary. Because of his divinity, Jesus was here for us all, even his enemies. Revolution is a political and outwardly focused word. Jesus was supra-political, beyond our limited conception, and he was also concerned with our internal, personal transformation.

That said, Liberation Theology, if we are understanding it as revolutionary, is among the most exciting religious developments of the last fifty years. And if a young person seeking my advice said he was becoming Christian in order to revolutionize the world, I wouldn't argue. I might caution him or her to remember that Christ loved everyone. And to never forget that Jesus was a good teacher and that revolutions need teacher-leaders who know that the majority of the work will be done by others.

But there may be better words to describe Jesus than revolutionary.

Transformative -- because he was talking not just about society, but also about the whole human person.

Relational, because he was talking about our neighbors and ourselves.

And Foolish. Turning the world on its head, being a servant of servants, Jesus was a divine fool.

What aspects was Jesus at pains to teach us? Humility? Yes. To love the least loved? Yes. To give power to the powerless? Sure. A preferential option for the poor? Undoubtedly. To believe we can change the world is a divinely foolish goal, one we all might attempt as a way to feel Jesus' companionship.

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Posted by: Judi Garza | December 20, 2007 11:01 PM
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Mr. Mark,

God does not tempt us, and you should not tempt God.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 11:02 AM
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Mr. Mark:)

You asked : "Can you prove that I am not what I say I am?"

One : How can we be certain that you are not an agent of Satan instead of being a Devil's Advocate on this?

Two : We'll have to take your word for it on blind faith, on trust, on belief in what you said you are whom you are.

Hmmm... you want to be more complicated and mysterious than Popeye (I yam what I yam) and Isis (I am who I am).

Regards

Posted by: Jihadist | May 14, 2007 8:03 PM
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"Mr. Mark --Evidently you have yet to meet Jesus."

On the contrary - I am actually an agent of Jesus, an angel sent in the form of a blogger for no other reason than to challenge your faith in public and to see whether or not you can properly defend god. The fate of your eternal soul hangs in the balance.

Can you prove that I am not what I say I am?

Posted by: Mr Mark | May 14, 2007 3:38 PM
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I guess everyone has the right to their own opinion. Religion in general relies on faith since none of us but prophets actually get to see God.

Posted by: AMP | May 14, 2007 3:20 PM
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Tex, don't forget murderers, rapists, and other sick minds that hide behind religion. Religion doesn't make people good, it just makes them feel better about the cruel and inhumane things they do to one another. I can't name once Christian today who I think is worthy of a place like heaven - but I don't have to because it doesn't exist.

Posted by: Luke | May 14, 2007 8:05 AM
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If only man--who is capable of rational thinking--would govern himself by that thinking he would soon give up his superstitous beliefs in the ethereal....that strange system of the god; your god, our god, the one god, the man-god, the gods, and, the absence of god. Those of us who subscribe to the judeo/christian/isalmic traditions are destroying each other and ourselves in attempts to reconcile our own morally-bankrupt, sado-masochistic behavior by quoting ancient literature, and, developing and teaching a universal morality based on the hate-filled passages, transcribed and embellished, from selected fictionalized testaments of the non-existent, ignorant, illiterate, and, psychotic. Alternatively, for others of us, our self-righteous, pseudo-logical, symbolically-convoluted system of beliefs are built on a "will to nothingness". More to the point of this Blog...it is apparent from those comments on this subject...that if religion is really anything at all, it is safe haven for the hypocrit.

Posted by: Tex Reed | May 13, 2007 1:36 PM
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And yet more drivel from a fallible human being who considers himself qualified to tell us what Christ was all about. Thank you Jim Cooper. Perhaps next time Christ reveals himself to you you can send him my way so that we can compare notes.

Not worth my time to read more from you.

Posted by: Flash in Life | May 13, 2007 2:10 AM
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I don't have time to read all of the preceding comments at this particular moment. But are readers/writers aware that St. Vasil the Great and his brother St. Gregory of Nyssa--as well as the Eastern Orthodox Church--accept evolution?
The problem with the West is not so much evolution but time--not time in creation, revelation (see the Vatican Catechism), or salvation--which sounds as instantaneous as conversion sometimes is. This Gnostic view of time is combined with a Gnostic view of matter (Mysteries = sacraments) in some Western forms of Christianity at the opposite, radical extreme of traditionalist Orthodoxy (the Christian right).

Posted by: Thanasy Bailey | May 13, 2007 1:18 AM
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what ever would we do without you telling us what jesus thought, even if he never said anything bout it.

Posted by: frank collins | May 12, 2007 4:36 PM
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If the real anti-christ merely resided in the White House, in the broadest sense, there would not be much of a problem, for after 2008 he will be history.

The real anti-christ wants your soul, your mind and your body and many seem all willing to please him, and this has grave temporal and eternal consequences.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2007 4:27 PM
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Lets just remember that the good christian GWB gave us this war based on lies, ignorance and arrogance.He failed in Afghanistan because of Iraq, and he has failed terribly in Iraq, in fact some might ask, not in jest if his presidency has been the greatest gift to Bin Laden and those of his ilk.

And Bush doesn't have the guts to admit that he was wrong, he lied, he had no plan for what would happen after central authority, mad as it was, was knocked over in Iraq. Certainly there was little doubt that Saddams army would collapse. But there was nothing done to plan for the aftermath - a situation that is many times worse then what we had with Saddam in power, who acted as a counterweight to the madness of Iran.

The bottom line, as one looks at this multifaceted catastrophe that is Bush's Iraq, is that we have found the real Anti-Christ. And of course, he resides in the White House, using our troops lives as pawns in his maniacal dream for grandeur. This is his legacy, he is the new Satan.

Posted by: SJames | May 11, 2007 10:49 PM
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It's hard for me to stomach talk of works of Christ's love and compassion when churches remain silent on social issues like the war in Iraq. During Vietnam, it was the same. Christian churches then were more mainstream - not sucked up by the politically motivated religious right. They were at least silent about the war, not vocally supporting it like the hateful Christian extremists we have running the country now. Yet, they were silent.

If you want to do Christ's work, Father, speak up in our own country. Speak of the injustice of allocating $2 billion to give the Iraqi's clean drinking water then diverting it to "security" while now one in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five, most from disease infected water. Speak up regarding the injustice of Cardinals protecting pedophile priests, speak up regarding the hatred, exclusion, judgment and condemnation spewed at those different, including gays, in the name of Jesus Christ.

Pharisees who like to talk about "theology" instead of candidly speaking up about Christ's teaching only add value to each other and little to the world. Christ spoke up without fear his government or his peers. This is what made him a true revolutionary.

Posted by: Roy | May 11, 2007 6:11 PM
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Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10 Neither be called masters, for you have one master, the Christ.
11 He who is greatest among you shall be your servant;

Cooper calls himself the Rector or the Reverend because I sense he understands the commandment from Christ to "call no man your father on earth." Of couse Christ was talking about your spiritual father not your biological father. Don't be calling anyone your spirtual father. Cooper, I think, understands this and maybe the rest of you should stop calling him father.

Posted by: Glen | May 11, 2007 4:40 PM
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On what frequency band do prayers operate? 500 MHz, 2.4 GHz? Do they utilize Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum? We need to up our communication methods if God is operating outside of the 3 dimensions (and time, ofcourse). Even light is gonna take some time, and who is gonna buy all that fiber optic cabling? Maybe we can charge it to some oil giants...

Posted by: Luke | May 11, 2007 3:17 PM
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They had about the same build though - Jesus kicking a little more upper body and abs.

Posted by: Luke | May 11, 2007 3:10 PM
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Sorry, I meant Ghandi had a better tan.

Posted by: Luke | May 11, 2007 3:10 PM
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At least atheism has reasoning included in the mix. Besides the magic tricks, Jesus was just like any other Ghandi or Lao Tzu - he just had a better tan I assume.

Posted by: Luke | May 11, 2007 3:09 PM
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Father Cooper -- In my comment of May 9 at 4 PM, I completely misinterpreted what you said.

I understand now that your perspective was actually consistent with, yet far broader and deeper, than what I had argued. How could I have missed your point? Probably read too fast and thought very little and superficially. I was a human fool.

May Jesus make me a divine fool as he was and may I be worthy of being considered one by him.

Please accept my apologies.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 11, 2007 3:02 PM
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Reverend, you had me until you said being a servant of servants, Jesus was a Divine fool. Is it foolish to be a servant to others? I found that serving other has been very profitable and not foolish at all. It has paid off very well in money but just as importantly, it has a spiritually payoff. The more I serve others in my business or personal life, the more I get back. This is simply the law of what you sow you will reap. Give and you shall receive. All great businesses are formed around the idea of serving the needs of others and those who serve my needs the best, well they get my business. I go to a restaurant for service and everyone gets a tip but those who serve me the best they get a big tip and with pleasure. I admire good service and those who serve with a smile make me feel good and I try to return the favor. The one who we admire the most who has served us the greatest of all gifts and kindness is Jesus Christ. He honored the Father by being a servant and now he is honored above all others. To me, to be a servant of servants is really pretty smart and not at all foolish.

Posted by: Glen | May 11, 2007 2:17 PM
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As will be further clarified, this outlook [that all human beings, Jew and Gentile, are equal] completely contradicts the Torah of Moses, and stems from an absolute lack of knowledge, permeated with foreign Western "values."
— Rabbi Bar-Chayim (15)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 11, 2007 1:03 PM
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(When atheism shows its flawed reasoning)

>>Men have done so much better than Jesus ever did.

Yes, men have promoted, encouraged and sustained love to ones neighbor soooo much better than Jesus did.

Not.

Posted by: TDAY | May 11, 2007 12:22 PM
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Mr. Mark --Evidently you have yet to meet Jesus.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 4:39 PM
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Yes, Jesus loved everybody, even the slave masters. He gave them advice on how to treat their slaves.

What revolutionary ideas did Jesus spring on the world? His version of the Golden Rule? Sorry. Confucius got there 500 years before Jesus.

Some revolutionary. Men have done so much better than Jesus ever did.

Posted by: Mr Mark | May 10, 2007 3:23 AM
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Father Cooper writes: "To believe we can change the world is a divinely foolish goal, one we all might attempt as a way to feel Jesus' companionship."

That is sure easy to proclaim with a full stomach and no bombs falling over your house.

A merciful God must be just. Those that believe in him must therefore be just, and that means one cannot just say it is impossible to stop dropping bombs on people or impossible to transform a world financial system that sends people to the moon while aware that it is 'estimated' that 25 thousand to 100 thousand people dying DAILY of starvation.

I say 'estimated', because the victims of this world are not counted, either when they die from a bomb falling on their heads, as in Iraq or Afghanistan (where average life span was 35 prior to the invasion!), or when they are killed by starvation.

The attitude that we cannot change the world must be radically displeasing to a merciful and just God, the God that has definitively revealed himself in and through Jesus Christ, to this day.

Hopefully, Father Cooper will reconsider his perpsective. So will the benefactors of this world financial system.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 4:00 PM
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Posted by: Danny B. | May 9, 2007 2:05 PM
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Early Christian economics 101: (Jesus was not a social revolutionary but just a guy well trained by the "Dunker" in how to earn a living.)

The Baptizer drew crowds and charged for the "dunking". The historical Jesus saw a good thing and continued dunking and preaching the good word plagiarized orally from the ancient religions but added "healing" as an added charge to include free room and board. Sure was better than being a poor peasant but he got a bit too zealous and they nailed him to a tree.

Paul picked up the money scent on the road to Damascus. He added some letters for a fee and "Gentilized" the good word to the "big
buck" world. i.e. Paul was the first media evangelist!!!

Along comes Constantine. He saw the growing rich Christian community and recognized a new tax base so he set them "free".

The Holy Roman "Empirers"/Popes/Kings/Queens et al continued the money grab selling access to JC and heaven resulting in some of today's
richest organizations on the globe i.e. the Christian churches (including the Mormon Church) and related aristocracies.

An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue, ( Professors Crossan and Wright are On Faith panelists).

"Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

In conclusion, money is a major foundation of Christianity to include Mormonism. Ditto for Islam.

The martyred apostles ran afoul of Roman political and religious authorities because they preached, healed, and baptized for the conversion (and profit) to a non-Roman way of life. This support of an anti-Roman cult resulted in the typical murder/crucifixion of the cult leaders.

The apostles' conversions also caused a dramatic drop in Roman/Jewish temple appearances and contributions and just like Jesus' Jewish temple outburst, it resulted in added punishment to include crucifixion.

Posted by: Concerned The Christian Now Liberated | May 9, 2007 1:23 PM
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Posted by: cgirard | May 9, 2007 11:43 AM
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Speaking as an unrepentant heathen, I'd like to see people put down the religious literature for about 10 minutes, and instead take some time to start referencing something called a 'science text', you know, those books where they talk about stuff like entropy, gravity, heat, all that good secular humanistic stuff like where it's pounds of thrust that lift the shuttle into orbit, and not the Baby Jesus(good thing, too, because all that rocket exhaust would likely burn his little wings right off), AND, what I'd also like to see is an open public audit of a lot of these religious institutions that've sprung up over the years, I don't care if it's buddhist, christian, muslim, jewish, druish, whatever, if they take in donation money and they're selling salvation, I wanna see the reciept books.
Interestingly enough, if you dig through your actual Bible, Jesus was attributed to be of a similar mind, as he was related to have basically buried one of his holy leather sandals in the moneychangers' unmentionables during the process of tossing them bodily out of his Father's house etc. I firmly hold the opinion that if the much-anticipated Second Coming were to occur today, two things would happen, number one, Pat Robertson would have a fairly large footprint squarely in the middle of one of his over-padded hip pockets, and Motorhead(that evil heathen music group, don'tcha know) would likely be proven correct in their prediction that He'd end up as prisoner number 32452 within a weeks' time.
So, next time you hear someone going off all blar-blar-blar-blar what would Jesus drive etc., remember that this was the short-tempered Ur-hippie that would probably get a pretty good laugh at the expense of most of the people that tend to try to drop His name all the time...

Ref: http://www.answers.com/topic/jesus-and-the-money-changers

Posted by: Bert | May 9, 2007 11:28 AM
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You speak of Jesus divinity, motivations, actions and thoughts as if they are indisputable facts. The fact is, Jesus is not divine to non-Christians, although non-Christians should respect the right of Christians to believe in his divinity. If Jesus in fact existed, we can't know what he thought or what he did for sure, absent leaps of faith - the Bible is not a contemporanious historical record of what Jesus thought or did. If you believe it is fact, that's fine with me. But don't assume I do or should agree with you about that. Respect my beliefs as I respect yours.

Posted by: Jeff | May 9, 2007 11:28 AM
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