J. Brent Walker
Executive director of the Baptist Joint Committee

J. Brent Walker

Walker is also a member of the Supreme Court Bar, an ordained minister and professor at the Baptist Theological Seminary at Richmond.

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The Church Down the Street

Dean Kelley, religious liberty executive for the National Council of Churches for more than three decades, used to say that a cult is what you called the church down the street! My religion is never a cult; it’s a term we use for someone else’s.

To employ the pejorative term “cult,” instead of “religion” or “church,” sets up a false and prejudicial dichotomy between good and bad religion. Indeed, my Baptist forbears — in London, Amsterdam, Boston, and Culpeper, Va. — would have been tagged a “cult” by popular religionists of their day. Heaven forbid we should repeat that error today.

It is true that only beliefs rooted in “religion” are protected by the First Amendment’s religion clauses. Understandably, the U.S. Supreme Court has been reluctant to draw hard and fast lines in defining “religion” — opting instead to include those on the margins and avoid the undesirable entanglement between church and state that inevitably results by too cramped a definition. The Court has been clear that religious beliefs don’t have to be popular, logical, consistent or reasonable to receive First Amendment protection. The only issue for the secular courts is whether religious beliefs are sincerely held.

In trying to trace the contours of “religion,” lower federal courts often have looked to three factors: (1) Does the belief system address fundamental and ultimate questions of life? (2) Is it comprehensive and pervasive in one’s own life? (3) Are there observable, formal and outward signs of a spiritual reality? Although laudable, this attempt to fashion a flexible definition of religion really is not much help. (If you have been to a Bruce Springsteen concert, you’ll know this definition could describe the Church of St. Bruce!) Even a generous attempt to police the boundaries of “religion” makes for dicey decisions.

Moreover, bountiful political pressure militates against a robust and broad application of protections afforded by the Free Exercise Clause. A recent First Amendment Center poll reveals that 28 percent of those surveyed opined that religious freedom was never meant to be enjoyed by groups the “majority of people consider extreme or on the fringe.” A bare majority (only 56 percent) thinks such religious groups should be able to worship as they please.

Judges and other government policymakers have a difficult enough job trying to parse these tough issues and stand up to political pressure that would limit religious freedom. We don’t need to complicate the process and prejudice the outcome ahead of time by using inflammatory language like “cults.”

If it is “religion” — broadly understood and sincerely held — then full-orbed protection under the Free Exercise Clause should be afforded.

And that goes for the church down the street, too.

By J. Brent Walker  |  September 24, 2007; 9:45 AM ET  | Category:  Spirituality
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David@Dflawyers.com,

You are a bigot.
I know that saying that is not PC now a days...we are supposed to be tolerant of those who are intolerant, I am not so tolerant. And I will say it as I see it.

You also would not let me as a Wiccan have my freedom to practice the religion that my conscious dictates.

And you should have the right to say what you believe...but your freedom of speach ends at my freedom not to hear. And your religious belief ends at creating laws that all of us have to follow.

I have more respect for a gay person that treats all with an honest respect then I do those who have honey in their mouths and hate in their hearts.
terra

Posted by: Terra Gazelle | September 26, 2007 1:46 PM
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I agree that the bedrock principle that people obey the Lord because they believe will be undermined if we ever begin to submit to any sort of government approval process.

Forcing unbelievers into "christian" behaviors will fill the church with those who's only god, is their own ambition. It will also deny men the freedom to sin (so long as they are willing to accept the consequeces)that God has allowed us since Eden.

That is the only reason we should tolerate the immoral society we live in. But there is a difference between toleration and acceptance. We cannot allow any law that forbids or hinders us from preaching and teaching our beliefs, regardless of how popular the sin is.

This is the real reason that some of us oppose extending Federal protection to certain groups whose only distinguishing characteristic is their decision to engage in certain sexual activities. Special Recognition for them will quickly morph into a prohibition against our efforts to teach.

Posted by: david@dflawyers.com | September 26, 2007 12:01 PM
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Test.

Posted by: Tom | September 26, 2007 10:58 AM
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But all religions are in fact cults. They are based on rumor and superstition, often dating back to the Bronze Age. Their adherents are urged to devote their every thought and action to service to their cult's beliefs, to accept its teachings on faith alone even above the evidence of their own senses, never to question of investigate its claims, and to reject anything that contradicts its dogma as "The Voice of Evil."

Religious adherents, whether Christians, Moslems, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., etc., etc. ad infinitum regard themselves as the only possessors of the truth and regard others as infidels, at best pitying their ignorance and at worst seeking to exterminate them from the face of the earth.

Religion has the unavoidable effect of promoting authoritarianism, precluding understanding, preventing cooperation and provoking violence. The rise of a particularly arrogant, narrow-minded and bigoted form of Christian fundamentalism in the United States in recent years has already taken a significant toll on our society and on our position of leadership in the world, but its costs have only just begun to be paid.

Our Founders, as insightful as they were, were not perfect. They erred twice in their crafting of our otherwise brilliant Bill of Rights by their inability to foresee the advances in the technology of firearms and their impact on modern urban society, and in the preferred status they conferred on religious belief even though they themselves had often expounded on its negative ramifications. This demonstrates how broadmindedness can be taken too far, as most of our Founders were in fact products of the Age of Enlightenment and thus were not particularly religious men (and few indeed of them were Christians, in contrast to the misleading statements of so many of our cult leaders today, people who seem to have forgotten the Ninth Commandment).

Posted by: Woody Smith | September 26, 2007 8:36 AM
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The author says, "In trying to trace the contours of “religion,” lower federal courts often have looked to three factors: (1) Does the belief system address fundamental and ultimate questions of life? (2) Is it comprehensive and pervasive in one’s own life? (3) Are there observable, formal and outward signs of a spiritual reality?

I wonder if Buddhism meets this criteria. I undersatnd that Buddhism does not claim obserable or unobservable signs of a spiritual reality in the traditional sense of spiritual reality being separate and distinct from worldly reality.

Yet Buddhism would possibly qualify as religion under this test if spiritual erality included (or wqas primarily composed of) internal, ychological spiritual reality.

I am not Budhist but I have great errespect for it. I hope we would include that in our definition of religion.

Posted by: Steven Broun | September 26, 2007 6:46 AM
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The author says, "In trying to trace the contours of “religion,” lower federal courts often have looked to three factors: (1) Does the belief system address fundamental and ultimate questions of life? (2) Is it comprehensive and pervasive in one’s own life? (3) Are there observable, formal and outward signs of a spiritual reality?

I wonder if Buddhism meets this criteria. I undersatnd that Buddhism does not claim obserable or unobservable signs of a spiritual reality in the traditional sense of spiritual reality being separate and distinct from worldly reality.

Yet Buddhism would possibly qualify as religion under this test if spiritual erality included (or wqas primarily composed of) internal, ychological spiritual reality.

I am not Budhist but I have great errespect for it. I hope we would include that in our definition of religion.

Posted by: Steven Broun | September 26, 2007 6:44 AM
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The author says, "In trying to trace the contours of “religion,” lower federal courts often have looked to three factors: (1) Does the belief system address fundamental and ultimate questions of life? (2) Is it comprehensive and pervasive in one’s own life? (3) Are there observable, formal and outward signs of a spiritual reality?

I wonder if Buddhism meets this criteria. I undersatnd that Buddhism does not claim obserable or unobservable signs of a spiritual reality in the traditional sense of spiritual reality being separate and distinct from worldly reality.

Yet Buddhism would possibly qualify as religion under this test if spiritual erality included (or wqas primarily composed of) internal, ychological spiritual reality.

I am not Budhist but I have great errespect for it. I hope we would include that in our definition of religion.

Posted by: Steven Broun | September 26, 2007 6:44 AM
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Mr. J. Brent Walker, as credentialed and educated as you are, your stance on this issue is astoundingly lukewarm and P.C. for a Baptist Minister. (I would expect this sort of position from a Unitarian!)
The problem with your "Can't-we-all-just-get- along" appeal to the use of the word "Cult" is that it flies in the face of the very religion and denomination you purport to represent.

Webster defines a Cult as "a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious;"

What is orthodox? Historically, for Christians, it's been the Nicean Creed of 325 A.D.

http://www.christianitysite.com/NiceneCreed.htm

These tenets are what unite Catholics and Baptists, Lutherans and Mennonites, Episcopalians and Methodists.
Subtract Christ’s Physical Resurrection and you have Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Subtract the Unique and Supreme Deity of Christ and you get Mormonism.
Subtract 2 of the 3 members of the Trinity and you get Oneness Pentecostalism.

I submit to you that THAT’S the definition of a “Cult” as pertaining to Christianity: “An omission or substitution of any tenet of Christian Doctrine as agreed upon by the Council of Nicea.”

Mr. Walker, rather than being conformed to the likeness of this world, we need to hold fast to sound doctrine. That means not being afraid to call a spade a spade. Re-read the Gospels. If Christ wasn’t afraid to use the phrase “brood of vipers” or “children of your father, the Devil”, do you REALLY think He would have shrunk back from the word “Cult” (had it existed in Aramaic)?

Posted by: Vast Right Wing Conspiracy | September 26, 2007 1:32 AM
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As one with strong faith in "the rule of law" which the cornerstone of our democracy (and currently under attack by our president) I suggest that we consider the first rule defining "legitimate religions" as those that honor "the rule of law". Those that don't should be considered "cults" and subject to legal sanctions.
This doesn't violate the "separation of church and state" where the law protects individuals from harm - rape, kidnapping, fraud, etc.

Posted by: Paul Brant | September 25, 2007 9:44 PM
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The greatest cult is of course the fantasy known as Christianity closely followed by Judism. To give these cults some official recognition borders on insanity; and is a great disservice to our citizens exploited by the various charlatans claiming some divine mission! I am truely amazed how anyone could possibly believe any of this nonsense and how the victims accept their "Elmer Gantrys" over and over. So many have been exposed as the frauds they all are; yet people continue to hope the next one will shoiw them the way beyond their fear of death!

Posted by: Chaotician | September 25, 2007 5:53 PM
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Patient says "if [a] "religion" requires that one inflames intimidates or causes physical harm to others, there is no reason why it should not be considered a "cult." Why not consider such a "religion" what it really is: a criminal conspiracy.

Posted by: mnjam | September 25, 2007 3:31 PM
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Seems to me that there is no difference whatsoever between a church and a cult. Both trade comfort, community and false hope in exchange for money and devotion. Religions are cults and cults are religions. They are one and the same and always will be. To use "religion" instead is simply to avoid the derogatory implication of "cult." The comment quoting Tom Wolfe was right on the money.

Posted by: Jesse | September 25, 2007 3:30 PM
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The linguist, Max Weinrich, explained that the difference between a language and a dialect was that a language was a dialect with an army. Similarly, a religion is a cult with a real estate portfolio.

Posted by: mnjam | September 25, 2007 3:26 PM
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The linguist, Max Weinrich, explained that the difference between a language and a dialect was that a language was a dialect with an army. Similarly, a religion is a cult with a real estate portfolio.

Posted by: mnjam | September 25, 2007 3:24 PM
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It's a nice thing that one religion tries to avoid casting aspersions on another, but the fact is that there are religious groups like the out there destroying families and undermining communities. In some cases, people die as a result of these groups. These are not eccentric little sects that keep to themselves and recognize your religious rights on a par with their own. These are groups that viciously attack the lives of anyone who voices dissent. They only believe in their own religious freedoms: everyone else's doesn't count.

If you don't like the word "cult," that's all well and good, but what are you going to call these destructive groups? Pretending they're innocent as sheep is not going to make the damage they do disappear.

Posted by: Skeptimal | September 25, 2007 11:48 AM
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Pope: Sunday Worship a "Necessity" For All
September 17, 2007 | From theTrumpet.com

Pope Benedict XVI says your life depends upon worshiping on Sunday.

"Sine dominico non possumus!" "Without Sunday [worship] we cannot live!" Pope Benedict xvi declared during a mass on September 9 at St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna.

Speaking on the final day of his three-day visit to Austria, the German pope voiced a strong call for Christians to revive Sunday keeping as an all-important religious practice.

"Give the soul its Sunday, give Sunday its soul," he chanted before a rain-soaked crowd of 40,000.

Benedict said that Sunday, which he stated has its origin as "the day of the dawning of creation," was "also the church's weekly feast of creation."

Warning against the evils of allowing Sunday to become just a part of the weekend, the pope said people needed to have a spiritual focus during the first day of the week, or else leisure time would just become wasted time.

Sunday worship, he warned, was not just a "precept" to be casually adhered to, but a "necessity" for all people.

In the opening greeting, the archbishop of Vienna said a movement in Austria had been initiated to protect "Sunday from tendencies to empty [it] of its meaning."

In Austria, most businesses are restricted from operating on Sunday. However, some business groups are pressuring the government to be allowed to open, a move Roman Catholic groups vehemently oppose.

During Benedict's trip to Austria, he called for Europe to look to its Christian roots, to trust in God and to defend traditional values.

The pope has been very vocal about Europe's Christian-or Catholic-roots, and is pushing to have them included in the European Constitution. Although laws concerning Sunday worship are currently determined by individual nations, look for the European Union to eventually gain jurisdiction over the work week-which is one big reason the Catholic Church is so intimately involved with the evolution of the EU. For more on the Catholic Church and Europe, read "The Pope Trumpets Sunday" by the Trumpet's editor in chief. .

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"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come (the return of Christ), except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exaltheth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4

"If protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church."--Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

Does the Papacy acknowledge changing the seventh-day Sabbath? It does. The Catechismus Romanus was commanded by the Council of Trent and published by the Vatican Press, by order of Pope Pius V, in 1566. This catechism for the priests says: "It pleased the church of God, that the religious celebration of the Sabbath day should be transferred to 'the Lord's day.'--Catechism of the Council of Trent (Donovan's translation, 1867), part 3, chap. 4, p. 345. The same, in slightly different wording is in the McHugh and Callan translation (1937 ed.), p. 402. "Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays? "Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church."--Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p. 58. (Same statement in Manual of Christian Doctrine, ed. by Daniel Ferris {1916 ed.}, p. 67.) "Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? "Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism (3d ed.), p. 174. "The Catholic Church,...by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday."--The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "Question: Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible & the Ten Commandments? Answer: I answer yes. "Question: Is Sunday the first day of the week & did the Church change the 7th day--Saturday--for Sunday, the 1st day: Answer: "I answer yes." "Question: Did Christ change the day? Answer: I answer no! Faithfully yours, "J. Card. Gibbons"--Gibbons autograph letter.

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for the doctrines the commandments of men." Matthew 15:9

The mark of the beast in the "forehead" represents mental assent to the church's belief and behavior. The mark in the "hand" represents activity carried on in harmony with such beliefs. A person's "forehead" or mind may not approve what his or her "hand" does, but actions speak louder than words. And we shall be judged by what we do.

Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, "We ought obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29


Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2007 9:19 PM
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When people act in a very clear anti-social manner and try to frame it as practicing their
"religion" then society does have a reason to not turn a deaf ear or a blind eye. A line can
be drawn when practices are inflammatory, intimidating or liable to cause physical harm
to others.

If people can't "practice their religion" without the above results, then they should
"practice their religion" out in a wilderness among themselves. If their "religion" requires
that one inflames intimidates or causes physical harm to others, there is no reason why it
should not be considered a "cult." One example of such intent is the passive aggressive
expression: "Show kindness to your enemies, it will confuse them."

Practices that make a display of piety, often with special attire or other visible actions, are
in themselves commanded for the reason of making overt distinctions between "believers'
and "non-****(add your favorite). This is the intent of cults - to make divisions.

Posted by: Patient | September 24, 2007 8:37 PM
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christianism consider secularism a cult. but in the same time, both christianism and secularism practice the reality and the way of life of secularism wich based entirely on none but atheism.

Posted by: stund | September 24, 2007 4:07 PM
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Norrie Hoyt: wrote:

A cult is a religion with no political power.

- Tom Wolfe

To that we can add, in order to be officially recognized by the US government to actually be a religion it must have political power. Once that is achieved the cult is then free to determine government policy. In fire control radar that's known as lock-on. One entity, cult amplifies determines the government that makes it official.

Charles Manson - eat your heart out.

Pat Robertson - cry all the way to the bank.

Money IS political power sourced by political power.

Richard Nixon saved 33 million dollars out of a 100 thousand dollar a year salary over a 5 year period of time. By comparison to the Bush family Nixon was a piker. That's the difference in getting in bed with cults. Sorry, meant to say getting in bed with religions.

Posted by: BGone | September 24, 2007 11:40 AM
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The church is not a church unless there is a full time worship minister.

Posted by: Razorback_andy | September 24, 2007 10:22 AM
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Until Jeremy Bentham's declaration in the 1850's that the determining factor for legal rights of animals is not whether animals can think, as was previously believed, but whether they can suffer, it was commonly believed that animals should have no legal rights. I suspect that some members of the Court and society in general were of the pre Bentham mindset when deciding on the Lucumi Bablu Aye vs Hialeah case in 1993 that allowed the Santerian Church to continue their practice of animal sacrifice as part of their religious service.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 22, 2007 6:10 AM
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Perhaps a meaningful distinction between the different results in Davis when compared to Lukumi Bablu (viewed through modern constitutional/statutory analysis) rests on how important the court views the state's interest in restricting a particular excercise of religious belief. Does the state hold a more compelling interest in promoting monogomous and _certified_ familial relationships than it does on banning animal sacrifice as an act of worship?

Or is this no distinction at all? Does this analysis on its own offer nothing more than na glimps of the court's (and society's) majoritarian preference? I suggest that while such bias is institutionalized but such bias is unavoidable in its entirety. I am confident that the Court and the thinking behind the Religious Freedom Restoration Act address the natural bent toward majoritarianism when reviewing free exercise cases by not relying only on the "intersts" of the state in banning a particular act but requiring the state prove that, among other things the ban in question is the least restrive means possible to achieve the state interest. Perhaps none of the individual elements are that difficult to prove, but the collection of all the elements works to resist the inherent majoritarian bias within the decision making process.

However it might be crafted a sincerity test is necessary to prevent bad faith claims of religious discrimination as a pretext for behaving in a way that is either broadly illegal or -perhaps- publically unpopular. Creating too rigorous of a test for sincerity tips the balance even more in favor of the majoritarian bias.

After all, the free exercise clause is not about protecting the majority position but protecting the less popular from the majority.

Posted by: thinline | September 20, 2007 12:28 PM
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As always, Brent Walker makes some important points, both from a philosophical perspective of the "us vs them" or Martin Buber's "I-thou" and "I-it" mindset and from a theological/constitutional perspective of the free exercise clause. However, it also brings up another issue from constitutional/Supreme Court perspective, i.e., the "belief-conduct" disctinction that has been discussed in many Supreme Court cases that dealt with the free exercise clause. For example, in "Davis vs Beason" (1890) the Court appeared to put more emphasis on "conduct" than "belief" by upholding an anti Mormon statute based on the practice of polygamy and bigamy by Mormons. In contrast, they more recently appeared to put the entire emphasis on "belief" instead of "conduct" in "Church of the Lukumi Bablu Aye, Inc. vs. Hialeah (1993) by striking down an ordinance in Hialeah, Florida against the Santerian Church, which combined elements of Catholicism and African religious practices that included slaughtering animals as part of their religious service. Does this raise the question about the importance of "good and bad religion" from the Courts' perspective? Is the Court saying that the "church down the street" is acceptable even when they display some types of deviant conduct, such as slaughtering animals, but not other types or is it more complicated than this?

Posted by: Ben Hurley | September 19, 2007 3:50 PM
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As always, Brent Walker makes some important points, both from a philosophical perspective of the "us vs them" or Martin Buber's "I-thou" and "I-it" mindset and from a theological/constitutional perspective of the free exercise clause. However, it also brings up another issue from constitutional/Supreme Court perspective, i.e., the "belief-conduct" disctinction that has been discussed in many Supreme Court cases that dealt with the free exercise clause. For example, in "Davis vs Beason" (1890) the Court appeared to put more emphasis on "conduct" than "belief" by upholding an anti Mormon statute based on the practice of polygamy and bigamy by Mormons. In contrast, they more recently appeared to put the entire emphasis on "belief" instead of "conduct" in "Church of the Lukumi Bablu Aye, Inc. vs. Hialeah (1993) by striking down an ordinance in Hialeah, Florida against the Santerian Church, which combined elements of Catholicism and African religious practices that included slaughtering animals as part of their religious service. Does this raise the question about the importance of "good and bad religion" from the Courts' perspective? Is the Court saying that the "church down the street" is acceptable even when they display some types of deviant conduct, such as slaughtering animals, but not other types or is it more complicated than this?

Posted by: Ben Hurley | September 19, 2007 3:49 PM
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A cult is a religion with no political power.

- Tom Wolfe

Posted by: Norrie Hoyt | September 19, 2007 11:14 AM
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"The Court has been clear that religious beliefs don’t have to be popular, logical, consistent or reasonable to receive First Amendment protection."

Christianity is well protected then. It meets three out of the four critera. :-)

Regards,
Realist

Posted by: Realist | September 19, 2007 9:04 AM
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