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Don't miss the articles on the front page her at the WPost;

under the heading "More non believers speaking out".

Very encouraging reading.Keep it up non believers.

Just keep on making sense.

This conundrum CAN be resolved... quickly... easily... economically... once and for all.

My simple solution requres only that for one whole month, every newspaper in the free world devote its front page to cartoons ridiculing Allah (peace on him) and Mohammed (peace on him, too). By the end of that time, all of Islam will have self-destructed in a paroxysm of snits, hissy-fits and terminal apoplexy. WARNING: This will not be pretty... but the world will be a much better place for it.

My only regret in this is that I cannot think of a similarly uncomplicated, cost-effective and efficient stratagem to dismantle Christianity... but, oh well... one thing at a time. One only does what one can.

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Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to spread much more of the love and forgiveness of Christ in our talk and our walk. God Bless.

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There is something behind the throne greater then the King himself. --Sir William Pitt, House of Lords 1770

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The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes. --Benjamin Dislaeli, English Statesman 1844

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It was sad to see Moslems demonised. The implication is that they had a communal responsibility for these wrongs and that all of them supported these actions.

A good religious approach is treating others as you would have them treat you. I assume that Islam is full of decency and that its people are no better or worse than good Christians and good Jews. Bigotry breeds bigotry. Why wouldn't it?

Too many people in the US are treating Moslems indecently and expecting them to be carbon copies of 'good Americans'. Of course, I don't share that presumption because I see it as cruel and disrespectful of people who are different to me.

It was a terrible day (911) when US buildings were bombed and innocent individual died and their surviving families were traumatised.

It was sad to see Moslems demonised. The implication is that they had a communal responsibility for these wrongs and that all of them supported these actions.

A good religious approach is treating others as you would have them treat you. I assume that Islam is full of decency and that its people are no better or worse than good Christians and good Jews. Bigotry breeds bigotry. Why wouldn't it?

Too many people in the US are treating Moslems indecently and expecting them to be carbon copies of 'good Americans'. Of course, I don't share that presumption because I see it as cruel and disrespectful of people who are different to me.

It was a terrible day (911) when US buildings were bombed and innocent individual died and their surviving families were traumatised.

It was sad to see Moslems demonised. The implication is that they had a communal responsibility for these wrongs and that all of them supported these actions.

A good religious approach is treating others as you would have them treat you. I assume that Islam is full of decency and that its people are no better or worse than good Christians and good Jews. Bigotry breeds bigotry. Why wouldn't it?

Too many people in the US are treating Moslems indecently and expecting them to be carbon copies of 'good Americans'. Of course, I don't share that presumption because I see it as cruel and disrespectful of people who are different to me.

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Mr. J. Brent Walker,

The demographic winter is here.

Aging workforce in the US.
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Website with good information on the subject.
Welcome.

Have a nice day.

Sincerely,
Solange Miller

Dear Brent,

One of the best posts I've seen in this space from a religious person. Very well said and I agree with Rev. Seals that yours seems to be a voice of reason and of Norrie's draft Brent for Pope movement.

No doubt about it, "This week, as we remember the events of 9/11, we cannot escape the stark reminders of the dangers inherent in religious extremism."

You've probably heard the worn out expression, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" but do you realize how true it is. 9-11 is a crystal clear example of the best intentions one can possibly have, serving God. And the good intentions go beyond that to the very selfish, "go to heaven when I die" intention. The perpetrators of 9-11 had both of those laudable intentions.

I refer you to http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul because I don't want to copy all that here and it includes OFFICIAL pictures I can't copy to here in any event.

I get a lot of criticism for continuing to reference that web site. I keep doing it in hopes of getting some rebut of it from religious authorities like, "Baptist Joint Committee" in spite of all the nasty comments it brings me.

Let me be very pointed and direct. Was that really God in the burning bush? Have you ever considered the possibility it was, as Mr Hunt a southerner himself says, the biggest Devil of them all, Lucifer? I desperately need and I'm sure others like me that have been swayed by his arguments, we need some official rebut so we can be saved. Are you sure worshiping that being leads to salvation and not hell? How sure are you?

I'll say this much in support of the supernatural being in the burning bush being Devil and not God as advertised. God is almighty and gets everything God wants by simply willing it, created the universe by God's almighty will for example. I can't help but notice that NOT almighty Devil needs people to do His dirty work, fly airplanes into tall buildings, kill firstborn sons that are heirs to the throne, etc. You are aware that Allah is the being in the ball of fire, the one Moses made the deal with to become the most important person that ever lived, save Jesus if you must.

Thank you in advance.

This essay should be posted in every church, school, government office in the country.

The idea that mixing aid and faith is violence is the ultimate BS. Its not moral or Christian to demand comversion before giving someone food, education etc, but its still not violence unless you are blocking alternative aid.
If you simply mix a message of faith with the food its not even immoral. To try and convert other members of other religions isn't immoral for anyone. Any religion or group that trys to use force to prevent conversions or attempted to conversion to Christianity, to Islam, to Hindism, to dog worships, is simply suffering from a complete lack of faith in their own religion. If you have the truth, it will win out. Any follower of even the True(tm) Religion, if one exists, that follows that religion for any other reason than an informed understanding of the religion is already faithless.

Thank you for a fine essay.

Now if Christians could just see the whole picture.

Just as you say, some religions joyfully use violence in the name of religion - so do the Christians use a more subtle form of violence except that they do NOT see it.

For Christians they use foreign policy at a government level, and they use food, money, aid and jobs at the local church level in the poorest regions of the world to make converts to the Christian religion.

Christians thinks the power of money is okay... just as fundamentalists from the Middle East and Pakistan think violence is okay to win the world to their way of thinking.

Wake up and truly become Christian. Help without wanting the world to repay you by becoming Christians. By asking people to convert you are just a tradesman - trading the money you have for peoples' souls.

Thank you for a fine essay.

Now if Christians could just see the whole picture.

Just as you say, some religions joyfully use violence in the name of religion - so do the Christians use a more subtle form of violence except that they do NOT see it.

For Christians they use foreign policy at a government level, and they use food, money, aid and jobs at the local church level in the poorest regions of the world to make converts to the Christian religion.

Christians thinks the power of money is okay... just as fundamentalists from the Middle East and Pakistan think violence is okay to win the world to their way of thinking.

Wake up and truly become Christian. Help without wanting the world to repay you by becoming Christians. By asking people to convert you are just a tradesman - trading the money you have for peoples' souls.

Brent:
It is good for America that you are now a panelist at this Newsweek blog. BDiddy Weave said it well getting the word out at Bl.com; you do indeed join an August Body.
In coming days looking for you and or Melissa Rogers to parse the Monday Sept 10 www.religion.usatoday.org feature oped by the Notre Dame proff.
I am wondering what your nuances are on his closing examples of proper issues for people of faith to mobilize on in the public square.
Sfox

Dear Pope Brent I,

If Baptists had a Pope (a good argument could be made that such trends exists in certain strains of Baptists), I'd have to agree that you would be a pretty good pick.

However, thank goodness we still believe in the priesthood of each believer -- giving each Baptist both the rights and duties of the pope, bishops, and priests -- and in religious liberty for all. Your insights help us both to articulate these concepts to others more cohesively and understandably, as well as live them out more authenticly.

Keep preaching it to us Pope Brent!

Congregant Malone

Brent - Thank you for your astute and articulate reflection on the critical and urgent need for religious liberty for ALL. Your remarks will be finding their way into sermons here at Prairie Baptist Church. I am delighted that you will be a contributing voice to the On Faith converssation and look forward to being enlightened, challenged and inspired often. Thank you. Heather Entrekin, Senior Pastor

J. Brent Walker consistently expresses valid positions with clarity. His is a voice of reason deserving of a hearing.

Brent,

As we pause to remember the atrocities we endured six years ago, I thank you for your thoughtful and eloquent comments. May we endeavor to preserve and protect our nation's cherished religious freedom and fight the tyranny of religious extremism.

Blessings to you and to the Baptist Joint Committee.

Brent, as usual, is spot on, but I also agree with Michael's point that we need to go further. In particular, "We also need to reject violence in the name of secular ideologies and violence in the name of the nation-state as strongly as we reject religiously motivated violence."

There are two entirely separate evils here. One is violence toward other human beings, and the other is the use of religious language and imagery to cloak government actions with an appearance of virtue. When the government brings the two together by seeking to justify its bloodshed by either a warning of the dangers posed by religious extremists or an appeal to religious virtues, the evil of violence increases exponentially, as does the evil of cloaking actions in false religious virtue.

Rev. Mr. Walker,

Thank you for your fine essay.

Why do so few (as far as I can tell) of your co-religionists, and sympathetically-joined denominations, share your enlightened thoughts on religious freedom and tolerance for those of differing views?

I hope you will proselytize among them for your views.

Any chance of the Baptists deciding to have a Baptist Pope and making you Pope Brent I?

I'd support that.

Best wishes.

It is sad, distressing -- even horrifying -- when a nation uses it's predominant religious tradition to justify it's military position -- as we see now, but also have seen throghout history.

If one does not adhere to the "majority" religious tradition or agree with the current "military position" -- one finds oneself labeled "unpatriotic" at best or a "traitor" at worst.

Thankfully there are voices such as that of Brent Walker's -- who courageously stand for religious liberty, a concept I fear is fading from the American consciousness.

It is sad, distressing -- even horrifying -- when a nation uses it's predominant religious tradition to justify it's military position -- as we see now, but also have seen throghout history.

If one does not adhere to the "majority" religious tradition or agree with the current "military position" -- one finds oneself labeled "unpatriotic" at best or a "traitor" at worst.

Thankfully there are voices such as that of Brent Walker's -- who courageously stand for religious liberty, a concept I fear is fading from the American consciousness.

"Our goal should be the greatest amount of religious freedom and zero tolerance for violence in the name of religion."

What does it mean to have zero tolerance for violence in the name of religion? What are the consequences for violating this principle?

Thanks Brent. Keep up the good work of defending the separation of church and state. May we all be reminded today that our religious fervor is a thin line from religious extremism. May we all learn a great deal from the horror of 9/11/2001.

My old friend, Brent Walker, is absolutely right, but I wonder if we need to go farther. As public policy perhaps the goal: The greatest amoung of religious freedom and zero tolerance for violence in the name of religion is the best we do. But as citizens and believers, should not we be encouraging interfaith dialogue at a grassroots level? That way, knowledge of the other leads to mutual respect and curbs the tendencies which lead to violence in the name of religion. If synagogues and churches, mosques and temples, host venues for neighbors of differing faiths to get to know each other as people and to get past the stereotypes of each others' faiths, won't that help us forge a strong rejection of both the attacks of 9/11 (and their motivation in a form of Islamic extremism) and the "Christian" theocratic reaction that came in its wake?

We also need to reject violence in the name of secular ideologies and violence in the name of the nation-state as strongly as we reject religiously motivated violence. Because secular ideologies, including nationalism, often serve as "religious substitutes" and can do just as much damage.

Michael L. Westmoreland-White, Ph.D.
Louisville, KY

Thanks to J. Brent Walker of the Bapttist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty for "Religious Liberty for Me and Thee." Religious liberty and its political corrolary, the separation of church and state, constitute two of the most pressing critical issues in our society. I hope that we will hear more from your writers on this subject.

Walter B. Shurden
Callaway Professor of Christianity
Mercer University
Macon, GA 31207