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Rev. Rick Warren
Saddleback Church McCain, Obama World Civil Forum
Media@RickWarrenNews.com

Pray for McCain and Obama at Saddleback Church world Civil forum ignite the Jesus torch to guide the church in distress.

I am very much interest to hear what the
presidential candidates would say during the
forum sponsored by your church. It is very
enlightening events for the Christian public.
I believe that they would be attentive to what the
candidates are going to say about to the
nationwide audiences and even those who in
other lands. Thus, it has become an international
Jesus event, which your leadership thoughtfully,
faithfully planned for this occasion. For an
American president is the president for the
people of the world in this turbulent era.

In that sense, the role of the church leadership
should be more spiritually oriented to meet the
world's need.

Messrs. McCain and Obama would need
actively stimulus inputs from the sponsors as
well as the audiences in order to make the
meaningful outputs to the anxious hungry crowds.

According to my experience, the crucial items
for them, among other things, to consider is to
refine and strengthen the spirits and function of
Free exercise clause and Establishment clause
so that the church's interests or assets could be
protected from a single or multiple abusers in the shadow of
the separation of state and the church.

Otherwise, many innocent members and the
church could be victimized or demonized for ill
purposes while the wise guys can get free lunch.

For misapplication of the separation of state and
church often seems to place the church outside
the Bible zone for abuse.

Therefore, there should be an enforceable article
which authorizes Pro Bonn legal services for
even an informed ordinary church member who
could bring action to protect the church's
legitimate interests against a single or the
organized abusers who control the church's
financial and administrative system.

Otherwise, there is no way for the faithful to
protect the church's assets or the possible
innocent victims.

The following case is a warning signal. When I
was the chairman of the Board, the Trustees
opposed the pastor's proposal to spend the
Building Trust Fund for general budget as it
violates the church rules. Bishop Forrest C. Stith
also so advised.

However, the party disagreed and purged all the
elders and church decision-makers and
restructured the decision making body. Many
supporters left the church in anger and
humiliation. Thus, they freely abused the funds,
which led the church into the spiritual financial
bankruptcy.

As of June 20, 2000, the Bishop Light removed
him in order to save the church.

In retaliation, his group instituted three frivolous
lawsuits against our family to make a scapegoat.
One case dismissed. Another was sanctioned
for frivolity and fined for the contempt of court.

For the third case Plaintiff Steve Park falsely
accused me and my son as attempted mass
murders and put us on the criminal and civil trial
at a full jury. He demanded $4,000,000 damage
from us and pushing us into the jail. Rev. Cha
used to bring his group to support their cases.

According to information, this group elected
Bishop Jeremiah Park whose episcopacy seemed
to have confirmed our criminally at a secret
meeting with the Judge Winslow (Ex parte
conference), according to the judge's own words
during the court proceedings. But the Bishop
refused to identify who were at the secret
conference.

The authorities advised the church could recover
the stolen funds from the abusers. But the orders
were ignored.

On July 15, 2008, the church council decided to
audit the church finances from the year 2000,
(excluding Korean CPAs.) Rev. Chul Woo
Chang affirmed at the meeting he would take
care of it with two other persons. But he is
stalling it to date. The stalling seems to be a cover up of the abuses as he stated in public Rev. Cha as his mentor.

The church rules and morality urgently demand
the audit of the past financial records, recover the
stolen funds or claim the liability insurance
company to compensate the losses.

Please let the candidates express their own views
on the separation of state and church.

Can't they restore the moral law and order in
the Korean United Methodist Church and
Institute according to the donors' will?

According to recent reports, UMC lost about
70,000 members with 120 church closings and
Presbyterians lost about 60,000 members.
Apparently, the young generation did not seem
to find any value to learn from certain church
people in this cyber age.

Who can light the Jesus torch for runners from
the dark church?

Note; it is to restore the stolen church money
according to the donors' will.

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Lamenters's petition

One of responses to the peition clearly stated to the Bishop Park on "Donor's will" of the Bnilding trust Fund of the Korean United Methodist Church and Institute, according to the church rules. Amen! Praise the Lord.
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Dear Bishop:

This all sounds as though the leadership of our church has handled a “difficult situation” in a poor way. Are these matters of injustice in the claims of those who cry out about the fraudulent use of building funds and trust funds of the Korean Church in New York? Real leaders not only do things right... but in the critical points of decision making...do the right thing. What is the “right thing” in his matter? It is an embarrassment to the whole community of faith.

Chuck Gummer
Former District Superintendent
Former Wyoming Conference Executive
Wyoming Confeence
Wyoming Conference

thank you for doing my homework for me.

Victoria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocall

raphael, what is a robocall?

bgone made a joke, good one bgone

you have a good attitude raphael, someone elses happiness doesnt diminish your own and vice versa-

i think beyond leagalities marriage is a social contract also-

and in my experience, ive seen gay partners squeezed out of terminal patients lives by absentee family memebers, when it was most critical for them to be there.

legal marriages protect people in such instances, as well as inheritance, child custody and other very real concerns.

Excellent discussion Rabbi. Like the Pilgrims of the 1600's who fled England from religious control and persecution, I have fled the US until Americans wake up and take back the American values and democracy that the likes of McCain and his "Christian" supporters have hijacked in Jesus name.

Bgone: you're limiting your definition of commitment in a way that married couples do not. There is, of course, a commitment in the legal as well as personal sense, if I commit to my partner to uphold all the weighty rights and responsibilities granted by the state. My point was that it doesn't affect my commitment to know that two other people also made the same commitment regardless of who they are. I'm not sure what your point was in contradicting me.

Church poltics based upon self interest is fatally harmful ro free society as revealed in this message. The free press could deliver this ubstution from the evil.

The Lamenters’ Petition According to the Gospel.

Dear Pastors, seekers and fellow travelers:

Greetings in Jesus Christ.
I am petitioning to you for your intervention into a situation of great injustice taking place in the looting case as well as for the Petitioned written response to this letter for our common good and interest, according to the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. The story is:

RE: Recover the looted Building Trust Fund from the looters
Korean United Methodist Church and Institute
633 West 115h Street, New York, NY 20025

According to information, the church Paid part of the former Board Chairman’s embezzlement of $70,000 of the church money and his legal fees. Why it subsidizes the embezzler?

Also the church paid the legal fees for the six plaintiffs who
took a legal action, demanding $4,000,000 damages, in the name of the church, against the innocent family which tried to protect the Trust Fund. They usurped the name of the church for extortion. Eventually the case was sanctioned as frivolous and fined.

At the sanction hearings, the judge ordered that the church could take action to recover the damages from those who disgraced the church. But the church officers did not do anything about the possible recovery. Rather, without any remorse, they laundered the immigrant’s pennies to rewardingly pay even their penalties and attorney fees. Thus, the victory sadly short-lived.

Another case, one plaintiff put the defendant on trial at a full jury with the charges of felony which falsely accused him and his son attempted murder of Steve Park, his family and other church members. He demanded $4,000,000 extortion. Reverend Won Tae Cha, Mrs. Steve Park and his underlings come to support the falsely created felony case on the trial, a satanic ritual at best. Paradoxically, the church paid his legal fees too.

According to the court records, the church hierarchies - the bishop, superintendent or pastor – illegally convened an ex parte conference with Judge F. D. Winslow and confirmed the criminality. However, the bishop refused to name who were at it when repeatedly written requests to him.
What travesty is this?

Another question is still lingering on how the $180,000 building repair contract lost for nothing through related party transactions.

The looting of the fund led this historic church into a financial and moral bankruptcy –– belief degeneration - for more than a decade that personally benefited which triggered by his mentor who, he said, sent him to this church.

The New York State Attorney General advised it could recover the abused fund from them. But the trustees did not do it, stating it would be costly for the church to do so.

The church officers seemed to have blessed the abusers with attorney fees, cursing the falsely accused. Thus, the looters had the cool lunch with blessings under a comradeship.

Why the church paid even the abuse-investigation while demonizing the protector of the church? Needless to say they dumped the Ten Commandments, ambushed the truth in order to make a cool shelter for the looters.

Didn’t they make UMC an illicit outlaw-church? –. “Robbers’ Den”? (Mt 21:13)
The looting is against the donors’ will.

If the church officers are not interested in protecting the church’s interest. How could they expect any further assistance from the civil authorities whom they so heartlessly contempt?

While in discussion of the looting with the Superintendent, the pastor asserted the request for the recovery of the looted fund was “anti-church” and “anti-church interest.”

He should have known such assertions had no Jesus cool in contrary to the historical iniquities. For they were defamatory and insult to the Christian community standard under any circumstances. It does not fit to be a pastoral reasoning as if spitting to the pulpit.

Now, those who supported the litigation with false affidavits in a Taliban way against the innocent are still ominously holding saintly positions in the church.

It appears they could re-enact the looting drama of the Building Trust Fund with cool faces as ignored the church rules, the civil authorities. It rewarded them, placing the innocent in the perilous position again in order for them to justify the wicked looting. Is the fund open for free cool looting again?

In addition, there appears his pressuring to re-establish elder system as a new power structure in this small congregation. He should have known there are many elder hungry and power starved which could shield his position. It is questionable if the church could succeed coolly with such questionable human qualities in this morally troubled season.

Remember such ambivalence to the truth could undermine the prestige of the church hierarchies, the United Methodist Church denomination and the Christian value system. In a sense, the church leadership seems to be on the way to “God is dead.”

Recently, the Church Council decided that the auditing of the Building Trust Fund should be done by a CPA from the financial transactions of 2000, which could be done effectively without delay, according to the Audit Manual of UMC. Remember the Bible said, “The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.” (1Ti 6:10).

The Bishop appointed him to lead the church according to the teachings of the church (Book of Discipline). Why could he not do it right now?
Clear the accounting fraud in good faith!

Our church history, aged 85, is often falsely glorified to others in contrary to the dark images as the mother church in the City. Needless to say, the negative image in the recent history is well known to the Korean immigrant community. It is questionable, at this point, any refined rhetoric could convince them otherwise.

Now, it is Biblically clear that they are common liars, embezzlers and, perhaps, the greatest scabs and cancers on the face of Christianityin the twenty first century. The amnesiac Church sadly become a joiner of them, who denied a legal relief for the beaten Samaritans.

It is about the time for the ministry to dissect the Jesus injustice and discover the naked truth of the moral and religious iniquities of the leadership to deliver the amnesiac Church from the cancer, insanity and scandals.

Ignoring or stonewalling to the legitimate ecclesiastical inquiries is unwise, “If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”(Mt 15:14.) They are indeed fallen into a pit – A very dangerous, stinky pit.

This petition is to sincerely remind them again the reality of the situation demands our moral renewal and repentance under their faithful pastoral leadership.

Didn’t Vick’s dog have more human rights than real human beings? Shouldn’t the church be a place more humane than Vick’s dog house? Is the Gospel reversed in UMC? Where is the
replacement?

We must stop placing our church on the way to “God is dead” as once did by Rudolph Kos, Henley Lyons, Tammy & Bakker, Hae Jong Kim and Ted Haggard. We must pray God for our rehabilitation with them from the deadly temptations.

If you, readers keep quiet, “the stones will cry out.” (Luke 19:39-40). Please help the church to be revived. She badly needs your supporting prayers. Every reader’s response is a petition for better tomorrows of our souls in UMC. There is a choice for the Jesus readers on the issue. May God bless you all!!

Yours in Christ.

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EMAIL RESPONSE TO PETITION:

The Bishop Jeremiah Pak. Bishop@nyac.com,
Metro N. District Superintend. mnnyac@aol.com,
The pastor Chang. chang.kmci@gmail.com and others
Feedback Chae S. Sone. Csone@optonline.net

FAITH POLL:

1. Personally abused trust fund should return to the church. A) Yes__. B. No__.
2. The bishop should honor the donor’s will. A) Yes__. B) No__.
3. No comment__
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