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Words of the Living God, even When I disagree
At different moments in my life different passages have spiritually defined and pushed me to grow. In these days of nasty religious polarization and culture wars, the passage that most animates my life is a passage from the Talmud, the classic Jewish wisdom text, describing the intense debates between two ancient philosophers and theologians Hillel and Shammai, who lived during the time of Jesus.
Each had his own academy and approach, much like contemporary think tanks or schools that differ philosophically, religiously, and politically. The schools of Hillel and Shammai disagreed on just about everything – from how to ensure economic justice to the nature of our deepest, most committed and loving relationships, from how to treat the other to what it means to sincerely be part of a community, from how to transform ordinary time into sacred time to how to increase light and meaning in the world.
One might think that clear decisions would be necessary given the weightiness of these matters but rather than provide answers or simple rules to follow, the Talmud invites us into the debates and reveals the multiple and contradictory perspectives at the heart of all genuine disagreements.
In the large majority of cases when a decision was indeed reached, the decision would almost always go according to Hillel. But, amazingly, it wasn’t because Hillel was objectively correct. The Talmud says about both Hillel and Shammai’s opinions, in a passage I constantly try to keep in mind, “These and These are both the words of the living God.” In other words, contradictory positions -- both sides of passionate and honest disagreements -- are true from a spiritual perspective, or as I like to say, no one is so smart that he can be one hundred percent wrong. And yet if this is true why were the decisions rendered according to Hillel?
The Talmud explains that the reason for this is the method Hillel used to reach his decisions and to teach his wisdom. The practice of the school of Hillel was to always study and wrestle with Shammai’s opinions and to always teach Shammai’s positions before its own. Hillel understood and valued the partial truth of the other side. He used Shammai’s insights to inform his own views, to broaden his perspective, and to develop the most inclusive answer.
This passage reminds me that every truth is partial and even the opinions with which I most deeply disagree have the potential to lead me to a wider understanding of the issue being debated. Hillel understood that the intrinsic worth of every human implies that every idea has some sort of claim, however small, on the truth and therefore every opinion offers some deeper insight into the human mind and heart. By refracting and reframing our intensely held truths through the lens of the other person, it is not that we necessarily change our mind, more often than not we do not go over to the other side, rather it turns out that our own truths deepen.
Imagine if we were to embody this teaching, “These and These are both the words of the living God”, in our personal and public life when we engage those with whom we most passionately disagree. Imagine if liberals would argue and teach conservative positions and conservatives would argue and teach liberal positions before they fiercely fought for their own truth. Imagine if “pro-life” and “pro-choice”, “anti-war” and “pro-war”, traditionalists and New Agers, secular and religious, blue states and red states, Republicans and Democrats…would commit to really learning and exploring each others views before arguing their own.
At the very least our debates would be far more intelligent and substantive and at best we might even begin to see more clearly a different perspective on reality…maybe even a hint of God’s perspective: “These and These are both the words of the living God.”
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Irwin Kula
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August 16, 2007; 9:44 AM ET
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The problem I have with Abrahamic religions is that there too many interpretations, too many prophets, too many inconsistencies.
Truth has to equal truth, just like fact equal fact. That means there can only be one true religion.
Either there is a true god, or there is not.
This is were spirituality comes in for me. Believing in a higher power without having all the ballast of religion and its pomp and circumstance, allows me allows me to communicate with my god (which is the true god for me)and be at peace.
By the way, I liked your essay very much!
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I very much appreciate the Einstein quotes...and it was precisely the infinitude of "the living God" that requires us to understand our human truths as finite and somehow part of an incomprehensible Whole...just one point of clarification for Gaby...no where do I refer to the living God as some personal God who speaks in anthropomorhic fashion who is a voyeristic peeping Tom rewarding and punishing...that is one very limited and unfortunately dominant image of God these days...all I can say about that image /metaphor is there is a partial truth however small in that perception that is probably worth while for us to try to understand given the billions of people who see that as the orienting way of experiencing Reality...my working assumption with people is that I don't believe in the God they don't beleive in either so let go of the god you are fighting against...also I know these days being anti-religion is quite fashionable and being spiritual is in but spirtuality can easily become narcisstic with all the dogma of religion and religion can actually go through periods of great cleansing that retrieve the deeper truths that got encrusted...I really appreciate the conversation!
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Words to peruse--from James Somerville, Professor Emeritus, Xavier University, Cincinnati, Ohio:
1. "The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when."
2. "Religion can bring us to the verge, to the brink, but like Moses, who led his people to the Promised Land, but could not enter in, there is no place for religion in the world to come. Religion is our vehicle for the journey. Once arrived, it will be left at the door."
More words to peruse--from National Geographic
As per National Geographic's Genographic project:
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" DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.
"Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.
Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.
It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."
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I think you miss the point of Einstein's relevance here.
The mystery of creation,of the universe,of existence,was Einstein's pre-occupation all his life.
His conceptions of space and time,his very intellect and perceptions were all about the big questions.
He dismissed the the idea of a personal God,in his search for answers.
That influences me in my attempts to understand "what it's all about",more than some preacher could, by involving the supernatural as explanation.
That would seem childish compared to Einsteins vision.
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I do not have blind faith in anything! Although I am spritual, I am anti-religion. My point was that people who rely on religion delude themselves into believing that there is such a thing as "the words of the living God".
I, and Einstein, respectfully disagree and the quotes I pasted were a statement to that effect.
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Gaby, I'm not sure what your intention was in posting Einstein quotes. While I'm sure no one doubts his massive intellectual capacity, I AM sure that this does not lend to his credibility, mastery, and authority on all other subjects, including religion. After all, that would be blind faith in Einstein.
Iraatwork, I agree with your comment that religions do hold to verses such as Ephesians 4:5, but that is precisely what “These and These are both the words of the living God.” is addressing. No one interpretation of how life ought to be lead or who/what God is is entirely comprehensive...lending to the notion that the thoughts of the "other" ought to be explored.
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The Bible says (Ephesians 4:5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism".) This means if we argue, we are not united. I still believe there is but just ONE FAITH meaning ONE RELIGION. But would like to read more on this. Other than this, this article has a strong point, which is considering/studying/undertanding the other's view before our own. And I agree it would help all of us immensely on highly-debatable issues.
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Gaby:
More from Einstein..
Statement Against the Church and a Personal God By Einstein
About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws.
—W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
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"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." --Albert Einstein
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeeded be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." --Einstein, Albert
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description .. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism. (Albert Einstein)
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