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Seems, Peacetroll, that Thomas has taken up the spammer's ways, he's posted that to every thread I've been on this week.

I mean, I generally find everything you say wrong-headed, hateful, and repugnant, but at least you're not a cut-and-paster, that I've seen. :)

Why are you so attached to non-sheep being 'damned?'

Does it give you pleasure? Comfort? What terrible hole in your sense of self could account for that?

Why, in fact, do you choose to see in those words of yours, the idea that some people must be 'damned' in order for you to be 'saved?'

I see the 'troll' part, but your words show nothing of 'peace.'

Thomas.

DO you actually believe the Goats and the tares will be saved?

Those who are God's will love Christ, do you not believe what Jesus told you?

IF YOU ARE OF GOD YOU WILL LOVE HIM (JESUS).

What did he say to the Pharisee's?

(who you say are his children...NOT):

John 8:

46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

So, we can either believe Thomas or Christ Jesus.

I will believe Jesus.

Universalism is a farce:
http://emmanuel.godisjesus.net/Don't%20be%20fooled.htm

God Is Jesus and Usery and banking exposed:
http://emmanuel.godisjesus.net/

The passage in scripture that is referred to as The Lord's Prayer and also the Our Father: Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven, give us this day our daily Bread, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one. OUR FATHER, as in the Father of the entire human race considering that not only did He create everyone but also everything. WHO ART IN HEAVEN, not only is He in Heaven but He is also putting the finishing touches on the Heavenly Jerusalem not to be confused with the New Jerusalem which is going to go down the tubes just like the Old Jerusalem only more so. HALLOWED BE THY NAME, actually God is Pure Love but from so many of the posts that call themselves christians, you would never know. THY KINGDOM COME, God's Kingdom which will be a Kingdom of Pure Love and it is for all of His children which is ALL OF HUMANITY. THY WILL BE DONE, Like it says in many places in the bible, it is God's Will that ALL BE SAVED, also if all that someone calling themself a christian, cares about is going to the "good place" , how christian is that, considering that on the cross Jesus said, "Father forgive them", there is not an asterick after them, them means ALL OF HUMANITY, we have all done wrong at least I have. ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, as it says even the forces of evil, satan and his cohorts, are working toward the Will of God even if inadvertantly, besides being a liar and a thief, the deceiver is also a loser. GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD, this refers not only to that which sustains us physically but also the Eucharist which is the BREAD OF LIFE. FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US, this is a divine equation, pure and simple, Jesus told us as much. AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, satan is the tempter and like it says when we fall which we all seem to do at times at least I have we can ask for forgiveness, we can go directly to God for forgiveness, the curtain in front of the Holy of Holies has been torn in two, yes the one that so many people are trying to sew back together. BUT DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL ONE, yes satan and his cohorts are real and in God's Plan, All of Humanity will be delivered from all evil that is why we are to be willing and active participants in God's Plan whatever we may have been called or chosen to do. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"I doubt I'm alone in saying my beliefs can be inspired, magnified, by what I read, often in unlikely places."

I doubt you are alone too. Think of your experience in another light, though. The art and literature that is a pale reflection of the divine also conditions your idea of the divine. In this way the literary and artistic pillars of our secular world influence and shape our perception of the divine. Religion is then tempered by our secular understanding. That tempering happens even as we feel the experience as connecting us to the divine.

**I lack a single passage within scripture or literature with which to define my faith. I'll argue instead that's because the field of possibilities is too rich -- and one might add in the case of literature, ever-growing. I doubt I'm alone in saying my beliefs can be inspired, magnified, by what I read, often in unlikely places.**

This is exactly why I keep a journal (actually several, since I tend to copy things down in whatever medium is available at the time, from a Word document to a Coffee Call napkin) in which I record things I read or hear that resonate with my soul.