Invocations To God For Us

I mean, maybe it's just me, but I have a great deal of difficulty mustering indignance about *anyone* dressing up in top hat and tails in the dark of winter to greet a drowsy furry animal to welcome the coming of spring. :)

But maybe I'm biased. :)

" jweider007

"Groundhog Day is coming up in a few weeks."

My people call it Imbolc. It's sort of like a Celtic Diwali.

Deja vu and cute furry critters optional. :)

It's really becoming insulting. Where do these characters come from?? Inbreeding between all these churches and sects is becoming a real problem.

As if religion never had a chance to govern in human history. What happened then? Did brotherly love suddenly flood the world?

Also, they all know who said what to whom and when, no matter how far back. Tragically funny.

I would admire such a man of faith as Mr. Taylor for following his beleifs. Only problem is ,he is discriminating against me and trying to shove his beliefs down my throat. Pay in private, preach on your pulpit, but stay out of my govenment, please.

Of course, God judges nations.

And AIDS is God's punishment for homosexuals.

And Katrina smote New Orleans because of its blasphemous Mardi Gras debaucherie.

These things I know thanks to the wisdom of right-thinking, God-fearing American pastors.

Honestly, I'm disappointed that we fail to pay sufficient tribute to God the Almighty at the Inauguration. We pay lip service by swearing on a Bible and offering a prayer to Jesus, but why is there no towering cross erected on the Mall to hammer home the message: this land believes in Jesus Christ, the Lord!

[I feel sick, knowing that many of my countrymen wouldn't read any of this as sarcasm.]

Sparrowhawk : "invoking god's wraith"

It seems that god's wraith is embodied in such people as attempt to propagate "prophetic religion." How are they invoked? In my opinion, they are invoked exclusively by opportunities for wealth and power. "Church membership grew by 9,000 and a 1952 fire necessitated a $1.7 million rebuilding effort." Yep, that's what I'm talking about.

What a way to go, invoke the Puritans. I really liked them. They got thrown out of England for being too radical. So Pastor Taylor, did you also preach against celebrations for Christmas like the Puritans when you were active?

So laughable as to be unworthy of a repudiating diatribe.

What idiots follow you? Oh yes, a whole CHURCH full!

Hey Taylor, WHOSE GOD?

Well mine of course, said the preacher.

What a friggin' idiot.

i just want to know whther USA shall be with Barack Obama, whether USA shall be together one in unity, or whether USA shall gamble while asking and while asking for replies.

Groundhog Day is coming up in a few weeks.
Perhaps we could have Rick Warren throw a few lines into his inauguration prayer to ask God for an early Spring?
Your argument would be fine if this was still 1630, but it is not.
What you have written is a clear example of why religious beliefs should be checked at the door when entering the political arena.

Gee, what a surprise that a minister thinks that it's perfectly appropriate, even owed, to have religion inserted into a secular government ceremony.

"Invocation to God should occur in public political events in order for prophetic religion to be given opportunity to teach that God judges nations as well as individuals"?!? Give me a break. Don't we have churches to go hear such nonsense messages, why do we have to pollute the public square?

I'm sure if you asked a Walmart executive whether they think Walmart should be promoted at the presidential inauguration, they would wholeheartedly agree. The ironic fact is that it would actually be more constitutional to have Walmart promoted at the inauguration than any religious message!

The elephant in the room that Rev. Taylor - and most other religious leader commenting on this topic - conveniently and patently ignore is the First Amendment of the US Constitution, which explicitly prohibits the mixing of state and church. And in so doing, they are flagrantly promoting constitutionally unlawful behavior.

Anything goes, as long as it promotes religion. The ends justifies the means. How ethical is that? Why is it so difficult for "moral" religious leaders to grasp, let alone preach, the most basic of moral principles when it comes to their own self-interest?

"Yes, invocation to God should occur in public political events in order for prophetic religion to be given opportunity to teach that God judges nations as well as individuals."

Oh, Great Mother, no.

If you need to elect someone to bring about some apocalyptic self-fulfilling prophecy, Christian, you *fricking say that's what you mean straight-up.*

People are trying to live, here.

SPARROWHAWK

You wrote, "I agree with you that anyone should be able to choose for themselves when to use it, but don't prematurely accuse them of invoking god's wraith for leaving it out."

Gardner Calvin Taylor did not say that God's Wrath was going to come upon this country and the whole world for "leaving it out" as you say.

God's wrath will be coming upon the whole world for the fact of how we treat our brothers and sisters and how we misuse and abuse the creation, which we are all part of.

You see, God's Wrath, is God letting us bring it upon ourselves.

But don't worry, the seventh day will also arrive and with it the new heavens and the new earth, God's Kingdom.

God's Plan, which God has had since before creation is unfolding before our very eyes and God's Plan will come to Fruition.

God's Kingdom is for ALL OF HUMANITY.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

So, you think we have to invoke your god at all public ocassions, or he'll throw a hissy fit and send a few more hurricanes our way? Seriously? And you expect non-believers to see you promoting this kind of thing and be ATTRACTED to your faith? Hey, since we're doing all this just to be sure god doesn't get mad at us, why not cover all our bases? Let's sacrafice a few lambs to Osiris or maybe bleed some cattle for Mithras. In all seriousness though, the oath as it is in the constitution does NOT include this invocation, and it shouldn't. I agree with you that anyone should be able to choose for themselves when to use it, but don't prematurely accuse them of invoking god's wraith for leaving it out.