Gardner Calvin Taylor
Senior Pastor Emeritus, Concord Baptist Church of Christ

Gardner Calvin Taylor

Taylor led the congregation from 1948 to 1990. President Clinton awarded Taylor the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2000.

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My Thought about Heaven and Hell

I believe heaven is the immediate presence of God. I believe hell is the total absence of God. As to who will be in heaven, I plead a reverent agnosticism. Finally, I am inclined to the opinion of Dwight Moody, the premier evangelist in his day. Moody said, “We will be shocked in heaven at the people who are missing. We will be startled at the people who are there. And I think we will most shocked if we get there ourselves.”

By Gardner Calvin Taylor  |  June 26, 2007; 8:05 PM ET
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Dear Reverend,

You wrote:

"I believe heaven is the immediate presence of God. I believe hell is the total absence of God. As to who will be in heaven, I plead a reverent agnosticism."

-- I believe heaven is the immediate presence of Light. I believe hell is the toatal absence of Light. As to who will be in heaven, I plead that all of us will be.

Reason: We (everyone and everything) are an intrinsic value of the universal energy that produced everything. God (as in the holy-book god) does not exist. However there is a creational energy from which everything stems. That tiny part of energy that flows within everything will reunite with the universal force. Thus, nothing can ever die, it just transforms.

Posted by: Gaby | July 2, 2007 11:07 PM
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Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written:

Death is swallowed up in victory.
O Death, where is your sting?
O Grave, where is your victory?

The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But THANKS BE TO GOD, Who gives us the VICTORY through our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Therefore, my beloved brethren, BE STEADFAST, IMMOVABLE, ALWAYS ABOUNDING IN THE WORK OF THE LORD, KNOWING THAT YOUR WORK IS NOT IN VAIN IN THE LORD.

Chaka Khan, Gladys Knight, Roger Daltrey and Jeffrey Osborne singing

Let The Trumpet Sound:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYd8dQS85jk


Posted by: michael | June 27, 2007 4:38 PM
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Hell may be the total absence of god, but a REAL hell would include a good representation of god's most-ardent believers to irritate those of us who thought we had finally found eternal solace in a place where the vile, jealous, racist, misogynoistic and inhumane god of the Bible was mercifully absent.

Posted by: Mr. Mark | June 27, 2007 2:34 PM
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It's pretty obvious that self-righteousness couldn't possibly be the true road to heaven.

Posted by: Viejita del oeste | June 27, 2007 2:15 PM
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Will any of these people be in this heaven: Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, James Dobson, whats-his-name Kennedy down in Florida ... Jimmy Swaggart, Jim & Tammy Bakker .... Newt Gingrich, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ralph Reed, Ted Haggard ... will any of these people be in this heaven?

I swear it would be a true hell for me to have to live in a place where these scumbags were held up as examples of fine human beings. It already is.

I personally prefer the hell-is-nonexistence theory, because - I already know that dead people don't exist anymore. You're not going to be sitting there in an uncomfortable chair saying: damn, I'm dead, what a drag.

If you don't exist, you aren't going to be aware that you don't exist, how hard is that to understand?

Posted by: khote | June 27, 2007 1:47 PM
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Speaking as a heathen-american(can I get hundreds of billions of dollars in federal funding for that? Hmmm), I assert that I believe a goodly chunk of the institution commonly referenced as Organized Religion is largely a fraud, if not a Ponzi scheme outright, decidedly a waste of time and money. I never missed church, they never missed me, and, if there is a God, well the story goes that he sent his kid down to planet earth, product of a virgin birth(wink, wink, nudge nudge), and then he goes walking around talking about all this Kingdom of Heaven stuff, and he finds this religious temple place, and bodily throws out the moneychangers(people who'd decided to do business in his Father's house, people selling stuff, online currency trading, probably a futures market, all that good green-eyeshade stuff), and you have to honestly question how different today's House of God really is, and whether they ever really sat down and considered that particular biblical lesson in any great detail, or if they succumbed finally to the temptation to serve mammon(can I have a side of mammon, medium rare with a side of carrots and mashed potatoes, please?) and not God, when all was said and done. The Baptist church, with their multi-billion-dollar True Believer retirement program(can I get an a-MEN! on that?), is one fine prime example of how some of these religious institutions probably should go ahead and schedule a Little Visit with the IRS, there, and start rendering unto Caesar like everybody else is largely expected to.

Why all the focus on money? Well, frankly, in our country, Large Sums of Money roughly equate to a lot of the old political power, and when you've got people out there actively campaigning from the pulpit, preaching from the podium, singing hymns while raking in the cash, you have a fairly clear and evident ye olden-style conflict of interest, there. Why? Referencing BACK to the Bible, Matthew 6:24 to be exact, OR wikipedia, where I found the reference, check your King James edition for confirmation, there,

"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other; or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You can't serve both God and Mammon" Matthew 6:24

Again, being a heathen, I don't have a King James laying around, so you'll have to do your own homework on this one, but I take it 'on faith' that it's at least partially accurate.

So, to reiterate, religious institutions that are sitting on a Big Stack of Money are rightly to be seen as being in breach of basic principles, as cited in/from the Bible itself. So, the "H" word, hypocrisy, applies here.

But, will we see the armored truck pull up to the back door of the First Baptist Church of the Almighty Faithful Gated Community? Well, probably not, because once people have a lot of cash, they're usually loath to be very generous, the whole money thing is what's supposed to be driving our economy and all, would YOU give up a fat stack of coin on account of your conscience, or would you have habituated yourself to the having of it to the point where such an act would seem both alien and foreign, not to mention a Really Bad Idea? Well, the Vatican didn't get gold-plated street based solely on donations, the Catholics are old hands at the old global politics, there, but frankly maybe it's time for a modern-day Martin Luther to take these institutions and their cash collection practices directly to task, and politely, kindly, but firmly, insist they take a minute to examine themselves, and hopefully get back on the old straight and narrow path, there.

Integrity's what it's all about, and once sold, will you ever get it back? What's the price of integrity, anyway? Hmmm.....

Posted by: Bert | June 27, 2007 11:20 AM
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