What about Immigrant Evangelicals?
I sat and watched attentively for the two hours the networks televised the Presidential Forum at the Saddleback Church. By and large I thought the forum showed a lot of promise. The tenor of civility that I am hoping for in U.S. political dialogue I think was there. Moreover, I appreciate when the U.S. public can hear from both candidates in the same venue and the same set of questions. I called all my friends, family, and colleagues in ministry so that they too could hear the candidates in their own words. I too believe that everyone brings their worldview into the public sphere, Christians are no exception. In a democracy each voice should get an equal hearing; Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, etc. In that way our faith (worldview) is always informing our politics. Faith and politics are intrinsically related even if Church and state have very different functions.
Still, for me it is not enough to recognize that faith or worldview has and impact on our politics. The fundamental question is, "How does our faith or worldview inform or form our politics or policies?" Pastor Rick Warren, who I consider someone doing great work in many areas, promised to ask the "hard" questions that go to the core values and beliefs of both candidates. Pastor Warren asked questions that are on the radar for many evangelicals and people of faith concerning education, Darfur, slavery (human-trafficking), orphans, etc., For a large portion (certainly not all) of these issues there is consensus among many U.S. evangelicals. All of these issues are critically important. Moreover, everyone has an opinion as to how the questions should have been framed for a nationally-televised audience. The format and questions will be debated for some time.
For the most part, I believe Pastor Warren did an adequate job. Still, one question remained glaringly missing for me as a Christian evangelical. In many ways this is a conversation from one Christian pastor to another. Pastor Warren is a pastor in California of a very large congregation around 20,000 people. California has some of the highest (if not the highest rate) of undocumented immigrants particularly of Asian and Hispanic descent. As a Pastor in California this is one question I was sure would be part of Warren's faith, politics, and core values list. Pastor Warren who admirably has been on the forefront of issues like AIDS/HIV relief in Africa, speaking against human trafficking and the genocide in Darfur has said very little publicly on immigration reform. Certainly, the easy answer may be that immigration is not a values issue, I strongly disagree. I recognize that this issue has been one that many prominent evangelical leaders have not put on their short list of priorities. If Pastors of large evangelical congregations in states with large undocumented populations do not speak on this issue then what do we do with the "love thy neighbor" command? I admire and strongly support the international commitment to much of Warren's PEACE project, but what about the neighbor in California, Texas, Arizona, and all over the United States. So here are some questions I've been desperately waiting to here from Pastor Warren and other influential evangelicals to ask candidates running for elected office.
-- Jesus said that the greatest commandment in the Christian faith after loving God with all our hearts, minds, souls, and strength is loving our neighbors as ourselves. Given the high priority Jesus gave this commandment how would that impact your position on comprehensive immigration reform and the priority you will give it in your Presidency?
--How will your understanding of Jesus' command "let the children come unto me" inform your understanding of deportation practices that are separating thousand of children from their parents?
These are not temporal issues that will go away after this election, they are core values issues that speak to the Ten commandments and Jesus' call for love of neighbor. While these are not issues that have as much consensus as opposing genocide in Darfur, or providing AIDS/HIV relief in Africa and Latin America, I earnestly believe and hope that Pastor Rick Warren and others have the courage to publicly lead evangelical brothers and sisters on discussing this issue. However, you decide on this issue it just may be one of the most critical issues of our collective national consciousness. Treatment of neighbor merits a continued dialogue and national conversation. Silence would be unthinkable.
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Gabriel Salguero
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August 18, 2008; 10:39 AM ET
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Posted by: Heiddi Zalamar | September 9, 2008 10:05 AM
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There is a big difference between spirituality and religion. Spirituality doesn’t have any dogma, fiction, or perversion. Spirituality is simply based on everything being connected and part of one body, with One Being behind it all. This is what Jesus A Christ was trying to communicate. It is that simple.
Politics being how various needs and wants are expressed and met or obtained how combined efforts are implemented and what joint ventures are formed and funded. Politics should include the view that we are all one; part of the same body. Religion should not be involved in Politics because it has become perverse in the eyes of the Lord it has become the house of hypocrisy not the House of God.
What is disturbing is how fast both candidates were swept into the Illusion, each not daring to question the popular fiction.
CHURCH: a body or organization of religious believers
FAITH: a system of religious beliefs
There is no difference yet neither candidate questioned it and was able to see through the Illusion created by Rick Warren. In other words he was propagating a fiction.
RELIGION IS AN EGO CREATION NOT ONE OF SPIRIT - scripture says and we are warned that the Churches (institutionalized religion) are the Antichrist; which must be true if we have Faith in Scripture?
McCain with his understandable doubts about the existence of a God resulting from his experience in prison camp, and Obama doesn’t really buy the Jesus died for our sins crap.
Jesus was a Jew and not a Christian. Furthermore the Christians should be thanking the Jews for crucifying Jesus since their act actually redeemed Christians, Jesus could have just committed suicide to die for your sins right?
What this character Jesus did was refuse to buy into the worlds fictions and he set the ultimate example of being steadfast in the truth.
Religion is one big fiction, and it was people protecting The Religion that crucified Jesus because he questioned the fiction and saw through it.
So if anyone really wants to honor Jesus, start ripping the fictions apart with your rational logical discerning minds and live steadfast in the truth, don’t sell out to the ego empire.
Remember a divided people are a weak people. This is what allows 10,000 to take advantage and make subservient the other 300 million people in the United States.
Religion is being used to divide you amongst your selves, in the US and other countries. It is one of the most effective weapons of the source disconnected ego to protect it's fictional world. Religion is a behavioral control mechanism a producer of shame, guilt and irrational conformity.
Most people have no idea what love is, because love that comes with a condition is not love. There is only one source of love, and one can choose to be a channel for it or not.
Why die and go to Heaven when you can bring it to you?
If I recall correctly Jesus once said something like “I am in your world but not of your world”. He was speaking of the world of fiction that most are living in which still persists today but looks like it is in it's end days and the Ego empire is going to fall.
Divine Source connected - Ego Divine
Divine Source disconnected - Ego Bastard
Yes, faith meaning trust is a verb not a noun. The word has been perverted by the Ego and made into a false idol.
Posted by: Richard Thomas | August 21, 2008 1:49 AM
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Burkhard:
You assume that Rev. Salguero does not comprehend the complexity of developing countries in Latin America and all over the world. Simply because he ask those questions does not mean he does not feel that leaders in Latin America should not be held accountable.
Moreover, you do not know what Rev. Salguero works on or promotes. You cannot assume his questions about leadership in Latin America by what he asked U.S. leaders. The forum was about U.S. presidents and what you would ask them not about other countries responsibilities. I am sure if those were the issues he would have a different set of questions. In short, it is a huge assumption to accuse anyone of whining and hypocrisy based on a specific context with a specific audience and leaders in mind. Rev. Salguero never said that only global north countries can address this complex issue. He simply is asking what is the role of U.S. leaders in dealing with this complex issue. If this where a different context your assumptions and pre-judgment may be justified. Since it is clearly not your comments are simply speculation and conjecture on where Rev. Salguero stands concerning Latin American governments and societies. It is unfortunate that you feel the need to make these assumptions without knowing his position. This is indeed "judging things without having all the details."
Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2008 12:45 PM
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Immigrant Evangelicals get screwed, because they lose on both counts, If we are to believe that a President has to be compassionate. How then do you justify deportation and discrimination in legislation towards immigrants. Why this debate was agreed to before the conventions and any other debate is beyond me. It's the I am holier than thou syndrome. I have never in my life seen anyone dismiss the horrendous pain that John McCain inflicted on his first wife, in one sentence. actually two words... end of story.
Rick Warren.....
"How was it like in the CONE OF SILENCE "
John McCain....
"I tried to put my head against the wall to see if I could hear any of the answers" Laugh Laugh
It's not the deed ... it's the cover up.... Why is the McCain camp all riled up ? He cheated.
Why wasn't his answer " You know Rick... I have to be honest... but he wasn't.
Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 7:10 PM
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Immigartion issues should only be addressed in the context of the complte moral failure of latina american societies and govenrments.
Their ianbility to secure a strong system of the rule of law and property rights. With marginal exceptions such as Chile and Costa Rica really don't see anything that these govenrments have done for their people. Brazil is somewhat of a hope but still a very long way for any larger middle clas to be formed. Mexico is a complete embarrassment in any category I can think of.
As a latino (Venezuela) I am getting tired of the hypocrisy and whining uttered by so called latino represntatives. It is time we plug the log of our own exy before we try to take the slinter of the northern eye.
Gabriel - why don't you help promote casas por christo and other development help? Why does it always take americans to get these kinds of works going?
Posted by: Burkhard Lehmann | August 18, 2008 5:11 PM
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Salguero's message is clear in this article...."Love your neighbor as I have loved you." The issue and debate of immigration will never go away, why? This is a country of immigrants. I am amazed that people forget that one detail. If New York is the melting pot and the Statue of Liberty expresses "Give us you poor, huddled masses"...what does that say about this country? Thank you Pastor Salguero for reminding us that our neighbors include everyone including those that come here for a better life.