Senseless shootings violate Islamic faith

This religion will be viewed as condoning violence until those who oppose violence and suicide and bizzare defense of perceived slurs of this religion began to take control. As long as the mullahs and extremists control this religion it cannot and will not be trusted. Nor should it be trusted in any land governed by the rule of law.

Remember and never forget. Tomorrow night is the anniversary of Kristallnacht.

If God is merciful, the spirit of evil will pass over our people.

May that horror of seventy years ago never have to be called "The First Krystallnacht"

America is rapidly racing down the path of becoming a decrepit and mindless empire, like the Ottoman Empire - and it is our own fault.

We no longer seem interested in the products of independent thought. Our minds reach not for questions, but for drug-like memes to quiet our anxieties. We are well-trained by the media - and those who decry the MSM are the same ones who watch the telly for 4 hours/day.

Mass media offers mass thought, or predigested pseudo-thought offered in nuggets. One or two of these, and one "knows the whole situation." Where is Jack Bauer in all of this?

We attribute to the Muslim the primitive, violent hatred that we harbor in ourselves. And we shall reap that whirlwind.

I read here the same sort of wicked and ignorant bigotry which was rampant in America some fifty years ago, bigotry of another sort, but almost a literal repeat of it:

There is no such thing as a Muslim American or Muslim Russian etc. A Muslim by definition could not be but a Muslim whose loyalty is only to the Ummah: the Muslim Nation. The sooner people recognize this reality the more logical the actions of the practicing Muslims begin to appear.

This was the sort of wickedness said about President John F. Kennedy and his Catholicism - about my people, my Irish Catholic people, that's about ME, too.  The people who said it then were ignorant, intolerant, misinformed, and had a defective understanding of the nature and purpose of America and its citizenry.  The people who say it today are just as ignorant.

Safiyah offers:

When are we going to stop and take a look at the problem that is staring us down instead of rushing toward the convenience of the scapegoat of the day?

I agree and thank you for your point.  We only attend to horror sometimes when it makes for good headlines.  If a fellow shoots his wife and children before killing himself, why - that barely makes headlines.

If some foreign enemy were to once in a while kill Americans here at home every week - what an uproar, what an outrage!  But when we do it to ourselves, every day, every week, too bad, so sad, hey, how are the Washington Redskins doing?

Has anyone bothered to look at the number of these kind of senseless mass shootings in the last half dozen years or so? The number and frequency of these kinds of incidents is growing so focusing on the religion of the man behind the guns is about as ridiculous as it gets. For the record I am a Muslim and very proud to be one and the alledged shooter is still my Brother in Islam-period. He is very mentally ill but my Brother nonetheless. This very ill Brother of mine senselessly killed 13 people and everyone knows there was no justification and why would there be any? Insanity makes that which has no justification justified.

There is something very wrong in our society where not twenty-four hours after the shootings at Fort Hood another American decides to kill people that he worked with. When are we going to stop and take a look at the problem that is staring us down instead of rushing toward the convenience of the scapegoat of the day?

Rohitcuny says:

“There is one side who believes that Muslim Americans are just like other Americans and are to be placed in sensitive positions just like other Americans.”

There is no such thing as a Muslim American or Muslim Russian etc. A Muslim by definition could not be but a Muslim whose loyalty is only to the Ummah: the Muslim Nation. The sooner people recognize this reality the more logical the actions of the practicing Muslims begin to appear.

Mr. Abdul Rauf,

Rather than wringing your hands about whether "this incident will cause some Americans to react against the Islamic faith and Muslim Americans" after the fact, how about you and other members of the Muslim community take some proactive steps to rein in your co-religionists that seem to embrace this violent mindset.

You can start with these two guys:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/radicals.mosque/index.html

The trouble is that America suffering from a schizophrenia. There is one side who believes that Muslim Americans are just like other Americans and are to be placed in sensitive positions just like other Americans. And there is the other side who believes that somehow Muslim Americans are less than human. Why not face up to the reality that a lot of Muslims are angry with America (and for good reason) so that Muslims have to treated with a mixture of respect and caution? Respect is important because they are human beings and most of them mean America well. And caution is also important because some of them do hate America.
Is this atttitude, "respect and caution" too sophisticated for us?

Columbine Masacre kids must have been trained in muslim schools too?
We always find reason why things happen, except puting the blame where it belongs, a DECAYING, HATEFUL, CARELESS, EGOCENTRIC, MATERIALISTIC and GODLESS Society.
Always pretending to be hollier than everyione else.
A society of HYPOCRITES we are.
Christian, jew, muslim, you name it.
In America, human life is WORTHLESS, and can be taken anytime for any reason.
Let us care for each other and most of our social ills will take care of themsleves.

Hold on there Feisal Rauf.
"Senseless shootings violate Islamic faith"

The Koran says: Koran chaper 9 verse 5:
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and kill the nonbelievers wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem."

Wait there's more.
"Our fellow Americans should understand that every major American Muslim organization has condemned it".
Who cares?
Fellow Americans should understand that the Koran and the history of Islam have always promoted violence. Read the Koran. "Fight and kill" means fight and kill.

As Fort Hood Tragedy Unfolds, Obama Is Politician in Chief

Friday, November 6, 2009 9:19 AM

By: Frank Gaffney Jr.

Perhaps the president publicly handled this attack as he did because he was unsettled by the fact that the alleged shooter is a devout Muslim, Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who evidently adheres to the theo-political-legal program authoritative Islam calls “Shariah.”
Actually, Shariah not only justifies such violence but also demands it.

To cite but one example of the requirement for individual Muslims to wage jihad, Shariah expert Andrew Bostom observes that the influential Ottoman cleric, Sheikh Shawish, wrote in 1915:

“To whoever kills even one single infidel of those who rule over Islamic lands, either secretly or openly, there is a reward like a reward from all the living ones of the Islamic world. And let every individual of the Muslims in whatever place they may be, take upon him an oath to kill at least three of four of the ruling infidels, enemies of Allah, and enemies of the religion. He must take upon him this oath before Allah Most High, expecting his reward from Allah alone, and let the Muslim be confident, if there be to him no other good deed than this, nevertheless he will prosper in the day of judgment and we ask the Most High to extend the People of the Faith by the favor of their Lord.”

In short, the Fort Hood “outburst of violence” (to use the president’s formulation), looks like the first successful incident of jihadist mass murder in America since 9/11. This could not be a message happily conveyed by a chief executive committed to “outreach to the Muslim world” and so deprecating of his predecessor, who had managed for seven years to prevent such incidents here in America.

Perhaps it is time for the moderate muslims to stand up and say that the parts of the koran that say god hates the infidel are now to be stripped from the koran. Perhaps it is time now to say any person who kills in the name of islam violates the koranic references to killing infidels. Perhaps it is time now to stand up and say islam has failed to modernize the thinking of muslims and needs to abandon the medieval construct of religion embodied in the us v them ideology of the koran. That would be a start to preventing crazy people from rationalizing their break from reality on religious nonsense.

hariaum