"Thou Shall Not Stand By"

brother malleck- truly you embarrass me sir, but on the other hand, flattery will get you anywhere.

i have just discovered the globalpost blog and will also see you there.
peace

look at:

Proverbs 10

1. The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son maketh a glad father: but a foolish son is the heaviness of his mother.
2. Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death.
3. The Lord will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.
4. He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich.
5. He that gathereth in summer is a wise son: but he that sleepeth in harvest is a son that causeth shame.
6. Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
7. The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot.
8. The wise in heart will receive commandments: but a prating fool shall fall.
9. He that walketh uprightly walketh surely: but he that perverteth his ways shall be known.
10. He that winketh with the eye causeth sorrow: but a prating fool shall fall.
11. The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
12. Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.

"The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain."

"He that ruleth over men must be just"

"A wise son maketh a glad father"
"but righteousness delivereth from death."
"The Lord will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish"
" but the hand of the diligent maketh rich"
"He that gathereth in summer is a wise son"
"Blessings are upon the head of the just"
"The memory of the just is blessed"
"The wise in heart will receive commandments"
"He that walketh uprightly walketh surely"
"The mouth of a righteous man is a well of life"
"but love covereth all sins."

"A wise son maketh a glad father"

"And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain. Wherefore they said, The blind and the lame shall not come into the house." "Great deliverance giveth he to his king; and sheweth mercy to his anointed, to David, and to his seed for evermore."

"but righteousness delivereth from death."

"For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide."

"The Lord will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish"

"For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever:"

" but the hand of the diligent maketh rich"

"Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him."

"Blessings are upon the head of the just"

"I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him"

"The memory of the just is blessed"

"My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26. The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the Lord that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's: and he is the governor among the nations. All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation. They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this."

I ask you wise men, how can you inherit the Kingdom of the LORD, HEAVEN, if you do not inherit the earth first.

"Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever. O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them."

Tell me, whom do you beleive:
"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

"Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries. For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. And ye shall serve the Lord your God, and He shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee."

"Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him."

"Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied."

"My name is in him" "I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts" "And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing."

A little insight:

Proverbs 8
4. Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.
5. O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
6. Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
7. For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
8. All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9. They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10. Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11. For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12. I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
13. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Do you see, "my voice is to the sons of man"

Proverbs 4
10. Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.
11. I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.
12. When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.
13. Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.
14. Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.
15. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.
16. For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.
17. For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.
18. But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.
19. The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

"For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day."

Do you not understand, "the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day"

"The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain."

"the path of the just is as the shining light"
"He that ruleth over men must be just" "And he shall be as the light of the morning"

Isa 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the sure mercies of David.
Isa 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.
Isa 55:5 Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee because of the LORD thy God, and for the Holy One of Israel; for he hath glorified thee.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Do you not see, "Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, the sure mercies of David."

Do you not understand, "the sure mercies of David" David is not the LORD he comes in HIS NAME, JUDAH. It is the LORD who shows mercy, it is the LORD who forgives. Seek HIM.

This is what so-called christians and catholics believe, "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins," "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Now look at "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

Do you not understand, "the sure mercies of David" David is not the LORD he comes in HIS NAME, JUDAH. It is the LORD who shows mercy, it is the LORD who forgives. Seek HIM. Not the Son of Man.

Ecclesiastes 3
16. And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18. I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19. For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21. Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Have I answered this question, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

Job 11
5. But oh that God would speak, and open his lips against thee;
6. And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is! know therefore that God exacteth of thee less than thine iniquity deserveth.
7. Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
8. It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

another PRAYER from David:

Psalms 44
20. If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange God;
21. Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
22. Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
23. Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.
24. Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?
25. For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.
26. Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.

Proverbs 3
31. Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.
32. For the froward is abomination to the Lord: but his secret is with the righteous.
33. The curse of the Lord is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.
34. Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.
35. The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

"but his secret is with the righteous."

Have I answered this question, "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"

"And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!"

Do you see, "Good and upright is the Lord: therefore will he teach sinners in the way."

JUDAH chooses who HE will teach, the LORD chooses who are HIS people.

Do you see, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul"

"That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me."

"save with thy right hand"

"from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand"

" Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone."

"The Lord is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed. Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever."

Look at:
"And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them. And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?"

"Is Saul also among the prophets?"

Now look at:
"And Saul built an altar unto the Lord: the same was the first altar that he built unto the Lord. And Saul said, Let us go down after the Philistines by night, and spoil them until the morning light, and let us not leave a man of them. And they said, Do whatsoever seemeth good unto thee. Then said the priest, Let us draw near hither unto God."

"And Saul said, Let us go down after the Philistines by night, and spoil them until the morning light, and let us not leave a man of them."

Are these words clear to you, "spoil them until the morning light, and let us not leave a man of them"

" Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow."

"The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain."

" My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O Lord; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up."
"For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning."
"As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice. He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me

"Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice. He hath delivered my soul in peace"

This is a PRAYER that should cry aloud from thee three time a day"

Psalms 86
"For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee. Give ear, O Lord, unto my prayer; and attend to the voice of my supplications. In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone."

Have I PROVEN to anyone the WORDS of SAUL and DAVID.

For those who eyes to see, ears to hear, a heart to perceive:

Psalms 86
"For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee. Give ear, O Lord, unto my prayer; and attend to the voice of my supplications. In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone."

Believe in these WORDS, ""For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee."

look at what DAVID said, "I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts" It is DAVID who will show you the way. DAVID c omes in the name of the LORD, JUDAH Remember, "And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing." Do you not see "Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah" One praises THE LORD, JUDAH, not DAVID who comes in HIS NAME.
the LORD's NAME is "JUDAH", call upon HIS NAME ONLY

Sister Victoria,

Allahu-Akbar!

I would have been far, far more careful in my comments had I known how supremely intelligent and sensitive you are, combined with a natural penchant for pragmatism in your involvement with farm workers a la ‘Grapes of Wrath’. On top of that, you seem to have an incredible knack to be at the right place at the right time (the Chicago incident). With all, this you combine a readiness to check up on hard-nosed Game Theory and find your feelings in harmony with its theses. Wow! You sure you’re not Omar Khayyam writing.

When I used to enjoy poetry (I still do, but pity me for feeling that it has become a luxury that I can ill afford to cultivate except very occasionally), my favourite poets had been: William Blake, Samuel Taylor Coleridge, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare of course, but also Alfred de Musset, Corneille, Victor Hugo, Verlaine (I am bilingual), Muhammad Iqbal, Mirza Ghalib, Kaifi Azmi (I understand a fair amount of Urdu), Omar Khayyam himself of course, Hafez, and Ferdows, the last three in translation, and, in more recent years, Paulo Coelho, of course. And believe me, I find the poem you sent me more profound than most of those I have read from those past (one living) masters.

Thank you so much! I shall be reading and re-reading this poem a lot in the days and weeks to come, and of course, I shall be quoting it, sometime telling whoever is listening to me or reading me who is the angel who revealed it to me.

The WORDS are very clear:

Psalms 1

1. Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Look at " Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners,"

Psalms 25
6. Remember, O Lord, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.
7. Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O Lord.
8. Good and upright is the Lord: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9. The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10. All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11. For thy name's sake, O Lord, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12. What man is he that feareth the Lord? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

Do you see, "Good and upright is the Lord: therefore will he teach sinners in the way."

JUDAH chooses who HE will teach, the LORD chooses who are HIS people.

Psalms 19
7. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
8. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
10. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
11. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

Do you see, "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul"

"That thy beloved may be delivered; save with thy right hand, and hear me."

"save with thy right hand"

1. And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death.
2. And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.
3. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words.

"from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand"

1. Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.
2. O my soul, thou hast said unto the Lord, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;
3. But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.
4. Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

Do you see, "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer"

John 6
52. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53. Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Now look at "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

John 1
12. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Do you see, "Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." Now we KNOW who are the TRUE CHILDREN OF THE LORD

26. He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.
27. Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28. For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
5. We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the Lord fulfil all thy petitions.
6. Now know I that the Lord saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand.

"For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever:"

"Now know I that the Lord saveth his anointed"

4. Return, O Lord, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake.

37. I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.
38. I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.
39. For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.
40. Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; that I might destroy them that hate me.
41. They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the Lord, but he answered them not.
42. Then did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.

6. Blessed be the Lord, because he hath heard the voice of my supplications.
7. The Lord is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
8. The Lord is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed.
9. Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.

"The Lord is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed. Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever."

The sinner creatures of the so-called christian and catholics faiths have not salvation nor are they saved. They were never chosen by the LORD. Prove ME wrong

1Sa 17:45 Then said David to the Philistine, Thou comest to me with a sword, and with a spear, and with a shield: but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom thou hast defied.
1Sa 17:46 This day will the LORD deliver thee into mine hand; and I will smite thee, and take thine head from thee; and I will give the carcases of the host of the Philistines this day unto the fowls of the air, and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel.
1Sa 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD's, and he will give you into our hands.

now look at what DAVID said, "I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts" It is DAVID who will show you the way. DAVID c omes in the name of the LORD, JUDAH Remember, "And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing." Do you not see "Now will I praise the Lord: therefore she called his name Judah" One praises THE LORD, JUDAH, not DAVID who comes in HIS NAME.

5. Thou hast rebuked the heathen, thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever.
6. O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and thou hast destroyed cities; their memorial is perished with them.

"their memorial is perished with them", "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." "The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup. For the righteous Lord loveth righteousness; his countenance doth behold the upright."

15. The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
16. The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
17. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away." "Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the Lord, O my soul. Praise ye the Lord."

in case it wasnt abundantly clear, i identify with the moth- not that im advocating pointless self destruction of course :)

thanks for your deeply thoughtful post and revealing such insights into your thinking processes.
as an ex-artist/poet type ive always been drawn more to the mystics and extreme intuition-
you can ask how its possible to be an ex-artist- thats a long discussion for another time-
i have a little bit of a rebellion against the pragmatists- i have my own ideas about what happens to human nature when it gets too far removed from the suffering it is making observations about-( i worked with the migrant farmworkers for 2 years in california- i used to say what would marx have come up with if he'd have picked his own food?)

bertrand russell didnt move me the way he has many- im a spatial thinker (so ive been told) and while i appreciate any who tries to find harmony in this universe and respect it- my life has been immersed in service to people of average intelligence and the disenfranchised- and quite frankly- any type of personal or social manipulation no matter how well intentioned sort of makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

no peoples anywhere have a monopoly on suffering- it is all around us and imjustice holds sway over this world-
my purpose in life has been to address any injustices i have encountered in a personal way-

i looked up the game theory and read for awhile- and found it strikingly similar to my own thought processes- (one of my sayings is i always have plan A,B,C,D+E) it is one of the things about myself that i try to play down, rather than develop.

im a very simple person in my complicated way and my journewy to islam is very circuitous so i wont bore you with ti.

i had just moved from chicago when the incident you spoke of took place.
i had protested the war in iraq there- and always there was a circle of at least 50 policemen on horses hemming in the entire protest, ususally obscuring it from the public eye, and of course no media coverage whatsoever.
i read with sadness about this man who immolated himself that his body was not even discovered for a full 5 days after the event.

id say that a heart that beats in outrage at injustices is enough.

having said that, it occurred to me to post a poem here that i posted on the main page-

apropos of nothing in particular- just a coincidence-
peace brother malleck
ive loved this poem for a long time
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Background info: The narrator is a poet reincarnated in a cockroach's body.
He types by jumping on the keys of a typewriter, hence the lack of caps.
Knowing that helps :------------------------------

the lesson of the moth

i was talking to a moth
the other evening
he was trying to break into
an electric light bulb
and fry himself on the wires

why do you fellows
pull this stunt i asked him
because it is the conventional
thing for moths or why
if that had been an uncovered
candle instead of an electric
light bulb you would
now be a small unsightly cinder
have you no sense

plenty of it he answered
but at times we get tired
of using it
we get bored with the routine
and crave beauty
and excitement
fire is beautiful
and we know that if we get
too close it will kill us
but what does that matter
it is better to be happy
for a moment
and be burned up with beauty
than to live a long time
and be bored all the while
so we wad all our life up
into one little roll
and then we shoot the roll
that is what life is for
it is better to be a part of beauty
for one instant and then cease to
exist than to exist forever
and never be a part of beauty
our attitude toward life
is come easy go easy
we are like human beings
used to be before they became
too civilized to enjoy themselves

and before i could argue him
out of his philosophy
he went and immolated himself
on a patent cigar lighter
i do not agree with him
myself i would rather have
half the happiness and twice
the longevity

but at the same time i wish
there was something i wanted
as badly as he wanted to fry himself

archy

-- Don Marquis

apropos of nothing except that i love it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sister Victoria,

Assalaamu-'Alaikum!

I revisited this website on August 24 at 10H45 Swift Current time, that is about 15 minutes ago, and I don't even know why I did.

I read your comment timed at 01H12 on August 24.

For 15 minutes, I did not know whther I should reply. Two minutes ago I decided that I needed to reply.

I don't know much about you except that, somewhere, you have said that you have found solace in Islam. May Allah Subhaana-Wata'aala bless you and keep you always in peace with yourself.

Whenever, it has become necessary, I have provided details about myself -- to start with I always sign my own name with full address.

You say that I exemplify [the kind of person that is always] having suspicion about the good intentions in people.

Maybe so. I wish it was otherwise. Until far too late in my life (I am now 60), I had been an Idealist -- not just in the ordinary sense of the word, but in the more rigorous philosophical sense of the word. [To actually weigh the full meaning of that word, you might have to read Bertrand Russell's books "My Philosophical Development” and “A Free Man’s Worship”, both of which are in front of me, on my table right now. Sometime around the age of 18, I read parts of Russell’s two books “A Free Man’s Worship” and “Why I Am Not a Christian”, but I did not complete them, feeling uncomfortable with the assault on Idealism, which also constituted an assault on my interpretation of Islam.

At age 31, the vicissitudes of life sent me to Iran where I spent the year August 1978 to August 1979 in Tehran, thereby living, breathing and rhythming my heartbeat to the momentous events leading up to the Iranian Revolution and its immediate aftermath. That experience awakened me to what philosophers call ‘pragmatism’. Intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, existentially, I experimented with ‘pragmatism’ in its different forms – pure pragmatism (a la Marxist dialectical materialism, agnosticism/existentialism, libertarianism, etc), dualism (physical pragmatism combined with emotional/spiritual idealism), rational pragmatism (in the sense of the logician/strategist’s pragmatic hedonism), and rational dualism (dualism as described above, informed by Game-Theory- grounded pursuit of maximization of personal and collective welfare). Now, I understand that all this may be difficult for you to grasp. But, living a Revolution such as I lived, and experiencing your soul torn asunder at your utter impotence at preventing an eight-year/2million.victims war between two Muslim brotherly countries get the neurons in your brain fired at a rhythm more soul-shattering than what I expect Elie Wiesel to have experienced during the Holocaust and his close family’s suffering at the hands of the Nazis.

Yet, I bristle with equal anger at the tragedy of the loss of innocent Israeli lives when a suicide bomber’s acts result in the deaths of innocents as I do when American family men and women’s lives are lost during a war whose justification they don’t entirely master and as I do when Palestinians suffer or black Africans suffer (my family has lived long years in South Africa while I was away in Cote d’Ivoire and Tunisia trying to promote African economic development, my Gynaecologist wife fulfilling her duties of both caring for child-bearing mothers before, during and after surgery while also raising three small children into teenagers who have, two of them graduated from Canadian universities with high distinction, Shukr’Allah!

Maybe, in the light of that experience, you might understand my sense of bafflement that solidarity is not expressed equally to all suffering groups. Talk of a Shi’a Crescent threatening the Sunni Muslim world (as was the satanic propaganda that caused the 8year/2million.victims war between Iraq and Iran in 1980-88 that I mentioned earlier) is a monstrosity that people of good faith denounce. I keep my ear to the ground to monitor who is denouncing it. Unfortunately, too few, my sister Victoria.

Yet, there ARE people like an American compatriot of yours, non-Muslim at that but probably, in the deeper sense of the term, a much better Muslim than me at least, who cool-headedly set himself on fire in Chicago some months ago to protest the illegal war in Iraq.

Ma’assalaam.

brother malleck-

you really exemplify having suspicion for the good intentions in people

Tours Martel,
You mean by the medicine the poison administered by the Mosad/ShenBet to the late Yasser Araft-right?

Hadiya,
Thanks for the insult. Victoria went a long way in articulating my position. I stand by every word I posted above:Mr.Wiesal is clanish and a racist,and he is calling on the human race NOT to stand silent while he himself is completely mute-his silence is so loud and so vulgar-he never said a thing about the on going horrendous plight of the Palestinians and the israeli Apartheid state imposed on them-nor did he ever say a single word about the genocide of the Bosnian Muslims.Darfur is a highly politicized issue and many of the tears shed over it are crocdile tears.

If his "witness" status of the holocaust did not teach him to speak up louder than his deafning silence about the suffering of other human beings,than he has no credibilty at all.Having suffred the horrors of the holocaust and supposedly understand Suffering,how could he and his jewish kin inflict so much suffering on another people,namely the Palestinians.

Your position is regrettable-and I honestly caution you from falling into the black hole of political appeasement of the likes of Mr.Wiesl and his powerful jewish community.

Not one his "one word" and not his books and his publictiy mean any thing if he is not consistent and if he does not speak up on human suffering regardless of race,color or faith.

"But, I AM disturbed."

No one likes to hear a Muslim is feeling disturbed. I implore you: please seek help. I'm sure there is a competent non-religious Dr. in your area who would be happy to listen to you, Mohamed. All you have to do is reach out.

VICTORIA, ASIM, HADIYA, MR ELIE WIESEL, ALL OTHER BLOGGERS, WAPO MODERATORS,

Please see my post of 5:01 p.m. on August 21.

I took Mr. Elie Wiesel's profession of intense humaneness, of a common sense of solidarity with ALL human beings, at face value. I still do.

Unfortunately, I had hoped that he would put into action what he preaches.

I AM NOT taking back my initial assumption about Nobel Peace Prize Winner Elie Wiesel's good faith.

It is even with great reluctance that I point out that former South African President De Klerk's Nobel Peace Prize, in and as of itself, does not prove anything, as the recent revelation that, five days before he was actually awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, he had overlooked the monstrous apartheid regime's genocidal act of having two political opponent sisters killed in their sleep.

Mr. Wiesel is made up of a different mettle from De Klek, no doubt. But, I still am disturbed that he has not reacted.

There is still time! Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto.

But, I AM disturbed.

VICTORIA, ASIM, HADIYA, MR ELIE WIESEL, ALL OTHER BLOGGERS, WAPO MODERATORS,

Please see my post of 5:01 p.m. on August 21.

I took Mr. Elie Wiesel's profession of intense humaneness, of a common sense of solidarity with ALL human beings, at face value. I still do.

Unfortunately, I had hoped that he would put into action what he preaches.

I AM NOT taking back my initial assumption about Nobel Peace Prize Winner Elie Wiesel's good faith.

It is even with great reluctance that I point out that former South African President De Klerk's Nobel Peace Prize, in and as of itself, does not prove anything, as the recent revelation that, five days before he was actually awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, he had overlooked the monstrous apartheid regime's genocidal act of having two political opponent sisters killed in their sleep.

Mr. Wiesel is made up of a different mettle from De Klek, no doubt. But, I still am disturbed that he has not reacted.

There is still time! Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto.

But, I AM disturbed.

Asim and gang : An Israeli could develop a cure for cancer and announce to the the world that it is free to everyone, and you would still find a Zionist plot and rant and rave about brutal Israel.The dandruff forum and blog would still have you spewing poisan, hate, and venom, as well as lies about Israel. Read your own stuff. It sucks !

MM:

Do you support this?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NeymPZifhsk

It is a coreligionist threatening the life of a Dr.

or this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AQcBOvE8S6o

It is the cruel manipulation and brainwashing of innocent children.

There are no easy answers to difficult questions. Yours and mine.

TO ANONYMOUS, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POST AT 11:27 A.M. ON AUGUST 17

It is a pity that your Islamophobia and utter hatred blind you to the true meaning of what Elie Wiesel said, quoting The Bible, Leviticus: "Thou Shalt Not Stand By".

Long before the birth of Christ, a Roman author had stated in Latin: "Homo sum. Humani nihil a me alienum puto." I am a human being. There is nothing in the human experience that I deem alien to me.

Yes, my friend, the suffering of every single human being is also my suffering; the achievement and success of every human being is also my success; the reconciliation achieved by every aggrieved person with his aggrived counterpart is also reason for my rejoicing.

In that spirit, I thought that you would show your disappointment that the Israerli Defense forces have continued its bloody attacks on the people of Gaza, the latest news being its killing of six people yesterday and two children today. I thought that you would rejoice alongside the UN team that has been conducting consultations with Iranain diplomats that these talks have been "constructive, very positive" in the words of Olli Heinonen, deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Instead, what I read from you is : ' We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.'

Compare that to what other Muslims have written on this blog, and you will get evidence of how rotten you are.

I hope that Mr. Wiesel is not indifferent to your hatemongering and will put you in your place, even with a single sentence.

If he does not, why, of course, he would belie what he preaches!

Victoria,

Thank you again for posting your thoughts. Its been a great help to me. You are so foreseeable and transparent. Its refreshing.

The passage in scripture that is referred to as The Lord's Prayer and also the Our Father: Our Father, Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom come, thy Will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven, give us this day our daily Bread, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from the evil one. OUR FATHER, as in the Father of the entire human race considering that not only did He create everyone but also everything. WHO ART IN HEAVEN, not only is He in Heaven but He is also putting the finishing touches on the Heavenly Jerusalem not to be confused with the New Jerusalem which is going to go down the tubes just like the Old Jerusalem only more so. HALLOWED BE THY NAME, actually God is Pure Love but from so many of the posts that call themselves christians, you would never know. THY KINGDOM COME, God's Kingdom which will be a Kingdom of Pure Love and it is for all of His children which is ALL OF HUMANITY. THY WILL BE DONE, Like it says in many places in the bible, it is God's Will that ALL BE SAVED, also if all that someone calling themself a christian, cares about is going to the "good place" , how christian is that, considering that on the cross Jesus said, "Father forgive them", there is not an asterick after them, them means ALL OF HUMANITY, we have all done wrong at least I have. ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN, as it says even the forces of evil, satan and his cohorts, are working toward the Will of God even if inadvertantly, besides being a liar and a thief, the deceiver is also a loser. GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD, this refers not only to that which sustains us physically but also the Eucharist which is the BREAD OF LIFE. FORGIVE US OUR TRESPASSES AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US, this is a divine equation, pure and simple, Jesus told us as much. AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, satan is the tempter and like it says when we fall which we all seem to do at times at least I have we can ask for forgiveness, we can go directly to God for forgiveness, the curtain in front of the Holy of Holies has been torn in two, yes the one that so many people are trying to sew back together. BUT DELIVER US FROM THE EVIL ONE, yes satan and his cohorts are real and in God's Plan, All of Humanity will be delivered from all evil that is why we are to be willing and active participants in God's Plan whatever we may have been called or chosen to do. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

hadiya,
you start out with an incredulous statement regarding reading- i have no particular devotion to mr weisel, but i do have a clear devotion to reading- and more often than not i read every book 3 times, sometimes more.

as for mr weisel having the 'courage' to speak to the power-

hes the mouthpiece for 'the power'.
he has no voice for the powerless, which is the point here.

your video was 12 minutes of nothing new-
it only contained another reiterating of the holocaust period.

i have no idea what you imagined that would 'prove', except that mr weisel's whole career is shoving it to the forefront of conversation.

hardly any enlightenment there.

the only thing he said was pm omert and mr abbas "hugged".
well of course they did,fatah has become that which it disdained, a puppet for america and israel.

are we supposed to pretend israel is for democratic process when it ignored the mandate of the palestinian people -WHO VOTED FOR HAMAS???

i would not even be speaking to this subject except i was alarmed at your response to mr asim.

let me explain how it works.

we respect each others opinions in our cyberworld here.
even if we dont agree.
we get along with the other kids and WE DONT TELL PEOPLE TO BE QUIET BECAUSE WE DISAGREE.
AND WE DON'T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO OR JUDGE THEM-

before you tell others to consider how it may apply to their lives- take your own advice.

you're not more important than mr asim, and he's not more important than you.

it's the oil of civility that lubricates the wheels of civility in here-

so- to recap-
your links didnt address anything new-
they didnt in any way prove anything.

mr weisel has been criticized by his peers for the same reasons ive given.

all opinions are to be respected.

and you're right about my devotion to reading, although it's hardly remarkable.
peace

Victoria:

Thank you for your post.

You have said; "ive read and reread every book mr weisel has ever written" Mr. Wiesel's On Faith bio says "The latest of his more than 50 books, Un desir fou de danser" You must have a profound devotion to Mr. Wiesels writinga.

You have asked: "witness to what hadiya?" Having survived a holocaust, he has been an active voice against such atrocities still being played out in the world today. He has the courage and conviction to speak Truth to power:

-Remarks delivered by Elie Wiesel at the Darfur Emergency Summi (2004):

"As for myself, I have been involved in the efforts to help Sudanese victims for some years. It was a direct or indirect consequence of a millennium lecture I had given in the White House on the subject, "The Perils of Indifference". After I concluded, a woman in the audience rose and said: "I am from Rwanda." She asked me how I could explain the international community's indifference to the Rwandan massacres. I turned to the President (Clinton) who sat at my right and said: "Mr. President, you better answer this question. You know as well as we do that the Rwanda tragedy, which cost from 600,000 to 800,000 victims, innocent men, women and children, could have been averted. Why wasn't it?" His answer was honest and sincere: "It is true, that tragedy could have been averted. That's why I went there to apologize in my personal name and in the name of the American people. But I promise you: it will not happen again."

And hear him speak his own words then please explain your comment: "he has never spoken once of forgiveness or the suffering of any other peoples, but concentrates a self-centered obsession on only his own very elite and limited people."

"Eli Wiesel blasts UN for letting happen genocide in Sudan":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Shj8LEEL-w

Finally you have said: "his justice has come at the cost of hundreds of thousands ofinnocent palestinians- who had nothing to do with what happened to him 60 years ago" You find Elie Wiesel responsible for the fate of the Palestinian people? I speak kindly but -your truth train has fallen off the rails of reality..

Once again I'll let Mr. Wiesel speak for himself:

Riz Khan (aljazeera) meets the novelist, humanitarian, political activist and Holocaust survivor."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUIKPBoZrfk

Thank you again for your comments. You have given me a chance to shed the light of truth on words that are often only spoken in closed communities.

no hadiya- you are wrong to call asim a fool.

ive read and reread every book mr weisel has ever written.
and a good many other writings.
witness to what hadiya?

to one particualr event that affected his life-
his cause is not for the people, but only HIS people

he does not speak out for injustice, his is not a universal voice but a voice concerned only with what fell within his spehre of experience 60 years ago-

any other person with any other cause would have their sanity questioned at such an obsession

not one borne of love for fellow man- but of anger and hatred of an enemy and a sense of denied entitlement

so asim has a valid point when he questions the motives of a man whose made a career out of inciting hatred and continuing to stir up emotions

these are not noble sentiments

he has never spoken once of forgiveness or the suffering of any other peoples, but concentrates a self-centered obsession on only his own very elite and limited people.

read his works, and find something in it that is beyond the scope of the past injury

asim is pointing out quite rightly that the words are hypocritical at best-
because his justice has come at the cost of hundreds of thousands ofinnocent palestinians- who had nothing to do with what happened to him 60 years ago-

you would imagine he would have unlimited sympathy for any who were being oppressed, since he experienced it for a year as a child.

but his loud lamentations have drowned out the very real cries of the oppressed palestinians-

and that is a real crime- not something to be lauded.

That is exactly what Jesus Christ advocated. That his followers must at all time care for the poor and the needy unconditionally. We all have the responsibility to be our brothers or sisters' keepers. And not just for our family and friends, we ought to treat even the enemy with loving kindness.

That is the very essence of Christianity, which is also the essence of the Old Testament. Despite Israel's stubbornness, God still patiently cared for them.

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

That is exactly what Jesus Christ advocated. That his followers must at all time care for the poor and the needy unconditionally. We all have the responsibility to be our brothers or sisters' keepers. And not just for our family and friends, we ought to treat even the enemy with loving kindness.

That is the very essence of Christianity, which is also the essence of the Old Testament. Despite Israel's stubbornness, God still patiently cared for them.

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

That is exactly what Jesus Christ advocated. That his followers must at all time care for the poor and the needy unconditionally. We all have the responsibility to be our brothers or sisters' keepers. And not just for our family and friends, we ought to treat even the enemy with loving kindness.

That is the very essence of Christianity, which is also the essence of the Old Testament. Despite Israel's stubbornness, God still patiently cared for them.

While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Asim. You make yourself a fool. Elie Wiesel has the stature and presence of a lifetime of witness. One thousand words from you will not stand against his one sentence. Be quiet. Reread his sentence and consider how it may apply to your life.

Mark,
On the one hand you are very clever:you want to change the subject away from Mr'Wiesl's clannish and racist posture-am intersted in his response to my post;
And on the other and with all due respect,your ignorance is appaling-apparently you have picked up a couple of trems "salfi..jihadis... " without even knowing what they mean.Just where are these mosques run by your salifis? In the US-where the FBI is counting every brith of every American Muslim? Or in the Arab/Muslim world where KGB like secert police makes sure only co-opted government appointed Imams lead the firday prayers and conclude their prayers to Pray for the US supported dictators and despots.

Why don't u stop this cheap warmongring talk-as if u live on Mars.Let us stick to our subject:Mr'Wiesl's hypocricy and double standards.

Asim,

If you don't realize that the radical Wahhabi/Salafi sect rules Islam at current, you are in denial - plain and simple.

Nearly every progressive Mosque has been taken over by the ISNA/NAIT vultures and they utilize deceit and trickery. There is mounting evidence that their goal is to destroy the US Constitution and launder money for terrorism.

Neither Christian Churches or Jewish temples are inunadated by these radical vermin. Take your head out of the sand and WAKE-UP.

You are far far from factual. Deluded is the word.

WP where is my post? not posted because it is critical and factual,right?

Let us also remember this:

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
- Pastor Martin Niemölle

WP, where is my comment?

To Mr.Wiesl ,
Thou I fully agree with your succinct choice statement, I find your position profoundly anomalous: Why is this Mr. Wiesel so mute and so silent on the untold suffering of the dispossessed and occupied Palestinians? What does Mr. Wiesl say about the brutal, racist, militaristic, Jewish apartheid theocracy which has been occupying the Palestinian People and all of historic Palestine for over sixty years-the longest occupation in modern history? What about the thousands of Palestinians-men, women and children-incarcerated in Israeli concentration camps for no reason except resisting the a brutal Jewish occupation of their ancestral homeland-as the French resisted German Nazi occupation and as the Algerians resisted the French occupation.
Did Mr.Wiesl speak one word on the genocide of the Bosnian Muslims in 1992? The eight thousand Muslim men, boys and girls massacred in cold blood by Serb Ortodox Christians? No. Did he say a single word on over 200 000 Bosnians Muslims slaughterd by the Fascist Serbs? Mr.Wiesl did not utter even as single word about the worst atrocities in Europe since the holocaust. Why? Because he is clannish and racist: Only Jews feel the suffering.

He certainly does not deserve a noble peace prize: He believes that suffering is a monopoly for his Jewish kin. His hypocrisy is appalling and I challenge him to speak up on the endless plight of the Palestinians who did not commit the crimes of the holocaust but yet are paying for it.
Humans of integrity and moral courage such as Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu and Jimmy Carter spoke up on against the horrors of the Israeli apartheid and lengthy occupation and the untold suffering of the Palestinian people who are being starved to submission.

Anonymous,
You say:” The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history." This is absolutely false and shows your ignorance of the dynamics of Islamic societies-it is also a very popular misconception circulated and repeated at every turn in western media. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are oppressed either from within or from without and can hardly speak: they are oppressed by an evil alliance of brutal dictatorships and despots from within and a US and some European states fully supporting and protecting these dictatorships; the peaceful Muslim majority is being gagged and is not allowed to speak and has no voice: observe that millions of free people demonstrated in London for example against the war on Iraq while nothing of this sort happened in any Arab/Muslim countries? Why? Did the Muslim people-who are the victims-approve of that war? No, but they were not even allowed to express their opinions and feelings.
Another example: why most of the hijackers came for Saudi Arabia? Because oppression, dictatorship and dumping political dissidents from airplanes into the deserts is the moudous operandi of a feudal tribal corrupt regime.

The absence of democracy and extreme repression is one of the main reasons for radicalism: Muslim majorities have no genuine democracy, free press or freedom to speak up; the war on Iraq would hardly have been possible without the full political and logistical support of the "moderate Arab regimes" especially the Saudis-intimate friends of the Bush family.

The Muslim majority is simply oppressed and repressed in its own homelands-how can not speak against radicalism when it can

Blessed be Mr. Wiesel...

You have gained your wisdom through experience and are a gentle voice of conscious.

terra

It seems Mr. Wiesel has shut our mouths.

This short article is profound and powerful. I am inspired to explore how many areas of my life this could impact if I found the courage to let it do so.

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War Two
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed the
return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was
one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools.

So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we
knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the
world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a
concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims
just want to live in peace.

Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely
irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,
and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging
across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is that the fanatics
rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of
50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is
the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the
fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the "peaceful
majority" the "silent majority" is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about
20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's
huge population, it was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of
points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their
silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up,
because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find
that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans,Jews, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life and we must act accordingly to preserve the wellbeing of humanity.

This reminds me that:

"The past is never dead. It is not even past."

I deeply honor Mr Wiesel's life and work and spirit.

We should remember that Leviticus (along with Deuteronomy) has many verses that are not so laudable, that we all should stand up and repudiate as being part of the coarser and more inhumane side of our cultural heritage.

Indeed, Vie. I read that, and could think of nothing I could add to it. I had the opportunity to hear him speakin person years ago. Amazing how much power there is in that gentle voice.

The context of Wiesel's lifetime of witness makes this short statement all the more powerful.