President Bush, Jesus and Social Revolution

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Dear Beloved David Saperstein,
Greetings to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We are praying for you and your family and for your ministries.

In the month of April we are going to arrange the seminar with 300 pastors and a huge public meeting so by this time few are welcoming you and your wife and family to preach and teach the Gods word in the midst of the Indian people. We want to work with you and have touch with you to extend the coming kingdom of God. We are working mostly in the Hindu areas many people are coming to know He is the only one God who can save from sin and give eternal life.

So Dear Friend, as we are working please help us and guide us to go through the village by village to bring the perishing souls un to Christ. Strengthen us pray for us stretch your hands for the Glory of God. I and my team willing to work with you and your ministries in the days to come.

Please remember us in your committee meeting as you are gathering. If are willing to come to India go by this direction. Fly to directly Hyderabad Andhra Pradesh head quarters from there you fly to vishakapatnam airport from there we will be with you to receive and visit my ministry.

We want to pray for you and your ministry and family that God may bless you abundantly as light of the world. In same way please pray for us and for our families and ministries in India Andhrapredesh. We want to hear from you soon amen,

Yours faithfully,
In His service,
Pastor. JOHN PRADESH.
Pastor. RAJU K.SPERGEOUN.
AIDS GLOBLE CHILDERN MINISTRY.
INDIA.
John_prasad63@yahoo.com

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to the fool loving jesus lover

Genesis 4
6. And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7. If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
8. And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9. And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: am I my brother's keeper?
10. And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12. When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
15. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

do you see, "And now art thou cursed from the earth" cain is the son of man "a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth" jesus is the son of man, the god you worship cursed off the face of the earth on the cross. "vagabond shalt thou be in the earth" this is the way of jesus, the light of the world. you inherit his kingdom of "heaven" cursed off the face of the earth and the land "a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth" it is the light of the world to inherit heaven and earth.

This is what so-called christians and catholics believe, "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." "But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins," "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Now look at "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

look at isaiah
Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.
Through the wrath of the Lord of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

do you see "For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns" do you not know who are the thorns

"And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;"

the sons of man are "Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee" do you see "For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns" you are the thorn

Isaiah, "But thus saith the Lord, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children. And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."

hey fool, "And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine"
"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." Now look at "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

he is you lord and god

To the unbelievers like candide and his cohorts they have absolutely NO understanding WHY Jesus had to die on the cross. Read 1 John and PRAY for understanding!

Quoting Craig A Hollon: 7 - "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isaiah 59:21. Oh no, my Christian friend, their religion is based on a heathen book called the Babylonian Talmud, which repudiates everything the Bible teaches. It is the work of Satan himself."
Let's look at the text you quote, "So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever."

Now Look at 2 Samuel 23, "Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain." Do you see "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." In the "Psalms" it is spoken, "For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Do you see "and his tongue talketh of judgment" and what did David say, "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." Next, "forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever:" Now what did Moses say, "And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." bWho are the perserved saints, "he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them." David said, "none of his steps shall slide" what did Moses say, "and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words" "a lawgiver from between his feet" Who is the lawgiver, "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah" Now look qat the vision of David, "Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: With whom MY HAND shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him." Does not it say, "With whom MY HAND shall be established" The Right Hand of the LORD is upon David. David said, "I looked on my right hand, and beheld, but there was no man that would know me: refuge failed me; no man cared for my soul." He said "no man that would know me" nobody knew the Hand of the Lord was his right hand. David said, "Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth." Now lookm at "Into thine hand I commit my spirit" and what was his spirit, Do you see "and his tongue talketh of judgment" and what did David say, "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue."
David said, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked." I have the eyes of the LORD, "He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth." And what was the judgment David spoke of, "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling." Do you see "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them" and what did Jesus sayThen came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice" Do you see "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed"

It is clear in the Psalms, “Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.” Jews serve GOD, The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants, and sinners creatures serve their “gods” the devil and satan, who destroy the body and soul.

Look at what you believe, "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." And you say you have knowledge. what is in your heart, the words that come out of your mouth. You are nothing more than a blood thirsty lust filled canniable. "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil:"

Now to answer "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being?"
Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the Lord.
Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the Lord did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt." Do you see, "And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth" You said "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth"
Moses taught God’s words, “Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments” “for this is your wisdom and your understanding” Apparently He has not done this so for the so-called Christian and Catholic ministries as they are not a house of the LORD. Paul wrote, “From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;” So many so-called Christian pastors teach wisdom comes from the words of Jesus but are they more knowledgeable than Moses and it is the LORD who puts “wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.”

Now look at the words of Moses, "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."

David said, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked."
And it is written "For he hath delivered me out of all trouble: and mine eye hath seen his desire upon mine enemies." “Evil shall slay the wicked" "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them" “The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”

And my other eye, "Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine." Do you see "To deliver their soul from death" David said, "And he shall be as the light of the morning"
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

"And the Spirit of God" "Let there be light" "God divided the light from the darkness" "morning were the first day"

Do you believe I fulfill, "To deliver their soul from death" David said, "And he shall be as the light of the morning"

you are not my friend, Oh no, my Christian friend

HE is my friend, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Quoting Craig A Hollon: 7 - "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isaiah 59:21. Oh no, my Christian friend, their religion is based on a heathen book called the Babylonian Talmud, which repudiates everything the Bible teaches. It is the work of Satan himself."
Let's look at the text you quote, "So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever."

Now Look at 2 Samuel 23, "Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain." Do you see "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." In the "Psalms" it is spoken, "For the Lord loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever. The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Do you see "and his tongue talketh of judgment" and what did David say, "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." Next, "forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever:" Now what did Moses say, "And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." bWho are the perserved saints, "he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them." David said, "none of his steps shall slide" what did Moses say, "and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words" "a lawgiver from between his feet" Who is the lawgiver, "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah" Now look qat the vision of David, "Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people. I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: With whom MY HAND shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him." Does not it say, "With whom MY HAND shall be established" The Right Hand of the LORD is upon David. David said, "I looked on my right hand, and beheld, but there was no man that would know me: refuge failed me; no man cared for my soul." He said "no man that would know me" nobody knew the Hand of the Lord was his right hand. David said, "Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth." Now lookm at "Into thine hand I commit my spirit" and what was his spirit, Do you see "and his tongue talketh of judgment" and what did David say, "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue."
David said, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked." I have the eyes of the LORD, "He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth." And what was the judgment David spoke of, "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them; and the upright shall have dominion over them in the morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave from their dwelling." Do you see "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them" and what did Jesus sayThen came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice" Do you see "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed"

It is clear in the Psalms, “Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.” Jews serve GOD, The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants, and sinners creatures serve their “gods” the devil and satan, who destroy the body and soul.

Look at what you believe, "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." And you say you have knowledge. what is in your heart, the words that come out of your mouth. You are nothing more than a blood thirsty lust filled canniable. "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil:"

Now to answer "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being?"
Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be a feast to the Lord.
Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with thee in all thy quarters. And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the Lord did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt. And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the Lord brought thee out of Egypt." Do you see, "And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth" You said "Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth"
Moses taught God’s words, “Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments” “for this is your wisdom and your understanding” Apparently He has not done this so for the so-called Christian and Catholic ministries as they are not a house of the LORD. Paul wrote, “From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;” So many so-called Christian pastors teach wisdom comes from the words of Jesus but are they more knowledgeable than Moses and it is the LORD who puts “wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.”

Now look at the words of Moses, "But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."

David said, "Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked."
And it is written "For he hath delivered me out of all trouble: and mine eye hath seen his desire upon mine enemies." “Evil shall slay the wicked" "Like sheep they are laid in the grave; death shall feed on them" “The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”

And my other eye, "Behold, the eye of the Lord is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine." Do you see "To deliver their soul from death" David said, "And he shall be as the light of the morning"
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

"And the Spirit of God" "Let there be light" "God divided the light from the darkness" "morning were the first day"

Do you believe I fulfill, "To deliver their soul from death" David said, "And he shall be as the light of the morning"

you are not my friend, Oh no, my Christian friend

HE is my friend, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

Here are the prophesies relating to who true Israel really is.
Who are the true Israelites of biblical scriptures? Is it those who call themselves Jews, or the white Anglo Saxon, and related kindred? Let's see what the evidence has to say about who it is.
Here are biblical prophesy relating to who true Israel is, and not one of these prophesies fit those who call themselves Jews. No other race, or religion fits these prophesies, except the white Anglo Saxon and related kindred of Christianity.

1 - Have the Jews blessed all the nations, of the earth. Genesis, 12:3: 22:18?

2 - Have the Jews ever been circumcised in heart? Deut. 10:16: 30:6; Rom. 2:28, 29: Phil. 3:3; Co. 2:9, 11.

3 - Have the Jews ever glorified Jesus Christ? Has Christ been recognized by the Jewish nation? Isaiah 41:16; Luke 1:32; 7:16.

4 - Do the Jews declare that Christ is the GOD of Israel of the Old Testament? Isaiah 43:10-12; 44:8; 49:3, 6; 52:6: Acts 1:8.

5 - Do the Jews show forth the praise of Jesus Christ? Isaiah 43:21.

6 - Have the Jews carried the gospel to all the world? Have they witnessed for Jesus Christ? Have they opened the Bible for the world? Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10; 44:21; 49:3, 6; Acts 1:8. Who has carried the Word of God into all the world? Who has published the Bible, or portions of it in over 1,000 language', and dialects? Who has been responsible for over 95% of all the world missionary activity? Which nations of the earth have based their laws on God's laws? There is only one answer and you know it. It has been the United States of America and the British Commonwealth.

7 - Do the Jews have God's Spirit and the Word of God in their mouth and their uttermost being? Isaiah 59:21. Oh no, my Christian friend, their religion is based on a heathen book called the Babylonian Talmud, which repudiates everything the Bible teaches. It is the work of Satan himself.

8 - Was the New Covenant written to those who call themselves Jews? The Bible states that it was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Jer. 31:33; Hebrews 8:8-10; Matt. 26:28.

9 - Are the Jews the SHEEP of the House of Israel? Ezek. 34:11, 12; Ps. 78:52; 95:1,6,7; Isa. 53:6; John. 10:26, 27; Matt. 15:24. In the passage from John 10, our Lord clearly states to the Jewish rulers: "Ye believe not, because ye are not my sheep." How much plainer must the Word of God be for you to believe?

10 - Are the Jews the "children of God scattered abroad?" John 11:52; 10:16; 7:35. Certainly the Israelites "scattered abroad among the Gentiles," were not Jews. When Jesus said in Matt. 10:6 and 15:24, that He was sent only to the "Lost sheep of the House of Israel, "He was not speaking of being spiritually lost. The word for lost, as used here, is the Greek word: "appolumi," it comes from two root words: "apo", meaning "separation," and "ollumi" meaning "death or punishment." Put the two together and you have: "those who are banished or put away for punishment. "This could only have had reference to the ten tribes of Israel who had been taken captive into Assyria, as punishment for their idolatry.

11 - Is Jesus being glorified in the Jews? Isa. 49:3; Rom 8:28, 29; 11:1, 2; 9:4. Always remember, there is a vast difference made in Scripture between Israelites and Jews. They are not one and the same, as your preachers have told you. To say they are is "intellectual dishonesty'' of the worst sort!

12 - Are (the Jews the SERVANTS of God? Isa.41:8; 43:10; 49:3. The Jewish leaders them-selves say that their God is "materialism." They do not believe in the God of the Bible and their Talmud repudiates the God of Abraham. Isaac and Jacob.

13 - Are the Jews a Holy Nation, a Chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a peculiar people? (The word peculiar means: "set aside for a special purpose.") Ex. 19:5, 6; 1 Peter 2:9, 10; 1:1, 2. Notice especially, how Peter addresses his Epistle "To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Asia, and Bithtnia," in others words Asia Minor. These were not Jews, but Israelites.

14- Are the Jews the great characters mentioned in the "faith chapter" of the Bible, Hebrews) 11? Abel was not a Jew, neither Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Sarah, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, Gideon, Barak, Samson, David, Samuel. None of these were Jews. There were no people known by the name of Jews, until 2 Kings 16:6, where the name is used for the first time. This was in 742 B.C. at least 1,100 years after the death of Abraham. Oh I know that your pastor has called Moses a Jew, but this is not what the Bible says.

15 - Are the Jews a "righteous nation?" Isa. 26:2. If you will honestly check the record of history, you will find that the Jews have always been a wicked, unrighteous people. They have not been persecuted because Satan hates them, as Jerry Falwell will tell you, for John 8:44 tells us that they are of "their father the devil." Satan will not persecute his own children. The Jews have been kicked out of every nation in Europe at some time or other and always for the same reason. Their wickedness, their avarice, and their greed. I challenge you to look at every evil which is destroying America, which is strangling our freedom and at the top you will find Jewish names in charge. This has been the indictment of all history against these evil people they never have been a "righteous nation."

16 - Are the Jews bringing forth the "fruits of the Kingdom of God?" Hosea 14:8; Matt. 21:43. In the Matthew passage, Jesus speaking to the Jews clearly states that the "kingdom of God (this refers to God's earthly Kingdom) shall he taken from you (JEWS) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Certainly the ungodly crew which is now in Palestine, is not bringing forth ''the fruits of the Kingdom.

17- Are the Jews kind to strangers? Lev. 19:33, 34; Matt. 25:31-46. Today in Palestine, if you are not a Jew, you have no rights in the nation of Israeli. A Christian has no rights and a foreigner, unless he is one of the gullible Christians who is being brainwashed by a visit to the Holy Land, is treated as dirt under the feet of the Israeli.

18 - Are the Jews called the "sons of the living God?" Hosea 1:10. They have absolutely no right to this title.

19 - Do the Jews tell us that they are "not God's People?" Hosea 1:10. No, they boast that they are God's Chosen and that is why they have the right to the Land of Palestine. But the Bible says: "in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God."

20 - Do the Jews have all of God's Word? Romans 9:3-5; Ps. 147:19, 20; Deut. 33:4. The Jews do not have the Laws of Moses, for they have been superceded by the heathen Babylonian Talmud, which is the Jew's Bible.

21 - Are the Jews a great and mighty nation? Gen. 18:18. They number less than 3-million in Palestine and more Jew's are leaving than are coming in.

22 - Are the Jews today as innumerable as the stars of the heaven and the sands of the sea? Of course not. They number about 16-million, the same number as were alive in the time of Solomon.

23 - Do the Jew's "possess the gates of their enemies?" Gen. 22:17; 24:60. Of course they don't. They do not control the Suez Canal, or the Straits of Gibraltar. They control only a tiny bit of real estate in Palestine. They would collapse within six months if the United States did not underwrite them. Their own leaders admit that it is our aid that keeps them alive.

24 - Are the Jews a nation and a company of nations? Gen. 35:11; 48:19. The Zionist State in Palestine does not represent all Jews world-wide and it is certainly not a "company of nations." The only group that qualifies here is the Anglo-Saxon and related peoples.

25 - Are the Jew's above all people on the face of the earth? Deut. 7:6; 12:2; Ps. 135:4; Amos 3:2. There is no question that they would like to be. Their leaders for centuries have preached Jewish superiority. But today they are struggling to stay alive.

26 - Are the Jews now or have they ever been "God's battle axe?" Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 41:15, 16; Jer. 51:20-23. The "true Israel" of God was to be a group of nations which would always war against evil. This has never been true of the Jews, they have always been the source of world evil. If you don't want to accept this, I challenge you to look at the names of those who were behind the Communist Revolution; over 90% were Russian Jews. (Interestingly enough - Jew's who had not one drop of Abraham's blood flowing in their veins, as is the case of the vast majority of those who are now in Palestine.)

27 - Have the Jews had an earthly king down through the centuries, who has been of the lineage of David? If they are Israel, the Bible says there must be a Davidic king among them somewhere. Ps. 89:27-29, 35-37; Jer. 33.17.They have not had a king since Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. But there is a people who have had royalty dating back to David. Whether you are willing to accept it or not; they were once found in the British royal family, but those found there today are frauds, and impostors from Cain's serpent seedline. Those there today posing as royalty, unsurped the throne, and that is why there is a prime minister instead of a king ruling Britian today.

28 - Are the Jews called today through Isaac? (The word Saxons, is a derivative of the Hebrew words which means "sons of Isaac.") Gen. 21:12; Amos 7:16; Rom. 9:7; Heb. 11:18.

29 - Do today's Jews claim to have lost their identity? Hosea 1:9, 10; 2:6; Isa. 1:3; 42:19; Deut. 32:26; Jer. 50:6, 7; Hosea 8:8; 9:17. The Jews brag that they are God's Chosen People but the Bible says that very few' of "true Israel" will realize who they are.

30 - Do the Jew's have a new' name today? Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hosea 1:10; Rom. 9:25, 26; 1 Peter 2:10; Acts 11:26. The people we now know as Jews, have been called by that name since 742 B.C. But God's "true Israel," will not only have a new name, but a new language, Isa. 28:11. (And by the way, this is not speaking here of "glossolalia" - "speaking in tongues.'')

31 - Are the heathen nations aligned against the Jew's alone? Joel 3:9; Ps. 83. If you will take time to do some honest studying, you will find that the Communist nations of the world have not built up their tremendous armaments to fight against tiny Israeli. They are aligned against the white Christian world. This you know!

32 - Are the Jews described nationally as a "great lion?" Gen. 49:9; Num. 23:24, 24:9. No, this designation is made of only one group of nations, the British Commonwealth.

33 - Did the Jews deliver Jerusalem from the Turks in 1917? Luke 21:24. This occurred on the date predicted in Haggai 2:18, 19, 22 -December 9, 1917, which was predicted 604 years before the birth of Christ. It was numbered from the first assault against Jerusalem made by Nebuchadnezzar, plus 2500 years, see Lev. 26:18, 21, 24, 28; Ezek. 4:6; Rev. 2:3; 12:6, 14. It was the "lions of Great Britain" who rescued Jerusalem, another plus for the Israel Identity people, but not recognized by a majority of our preachers.

34 - Have the Jew's ever been called "Great?" Gen. 12:2. Only one nation has, "Great Britain."

35 - Have the Jews released those who have been in slavery? Isa. 42:7; 58:6. No, they have always been "slave traders." It was the Jews who brought the blacks to America in the first place and it was Jewish money, that fought a phony war in 1860, over the slavery issue. It was Great Britain who first abolished slavery, followed by her younger brother America in 1865.

36 - Have the Jew's ever been a colonizing people? Isa. 35:1; 49:8; Gen. 28:14. Only the Anglo-Saxon and related peoples have been known as colonizers, as they spread out to the east and west, north and south as promised in Gen. 28:14. The Jew's have never been great for going to desolate places and building them up; they were always content to move in on established places and cling to them like some bloodsucking leech.

37 - Lastly, do the Jew's recognize Jesus Christ as God? The Bible says the "True Israelites" would. Isa. 43:10, 12; Luke 1:68; 1 Tim 3:16; Acts 3:14. There are many more proofs I could give. But if you are not willing to accept these, no amount of proof would get you to change your mind and it is under the control of a Satanic power which will keep you from ever knowing the truth.
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Let's clear one thing up right now. Jesus Christ was not a Jew, he was a Galilean. This lie has been perpetrated long enough, and those teaching, or calling Christ a jew are blaspheming GOD Almighty. Christ is GOD Almighty, and he was a white man, a true Israelite. Jews are not Israelites, Israel, Judah, or the chosen. The Jews fulfill none of the prophesies relating to true Israel, but the white race, and white race only fulfill those prophesies. The Jews fulfill these prophesies: The Bad figs of Jeremiah, and the cursed fig tree of Mark. All rich of the world, are of the world, and are the children of satan the devil. They are the tares that will be destroyed at the end of this age that is fast upon them. The rch are wicked and selfish greedy people who cannot get enough.
Isa 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
Luk 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Luk 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luk 18:21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
Luk 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Luk 18:23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
Luk 18:24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
Luk 18:25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

It is written in Genesis, “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth from thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;” Do you see “Thou shalt not eat of it”, the sinner gentiles were fed with their own flesh and blood as sweet wine. No one who stands behind the pulpit in the churches of the gentiles has taught the Psalms and the words from the prophets as I have. They are hypocrites like the god they worship and destroyeth their neighbor. Solomon said, “An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.” In Job it is written, “For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul.” Rabbi’s have knowledge, “When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge is pleasant unto thy soul;”

Do you understand “Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth from thee”. Do you know what the thorns are, the sons of Man. It is said by David, “But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands: But the man that shall touch them must be fenced with iron and the staff of a spear; and they shall be utterly burned with fire in the same place.” “the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns”, this is the sons of Man, Adam is Belial, the devil. It is written in Samuel, “Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.” “Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth from thee” come from Adam who know not the LORD, “the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns”, the children of God comes forth from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Israel is His son, “And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son.”

“And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? Wherefore I also said, I will not drive them out from before you; but they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you. And it came to pass, when the angel of the LORD spake these words unto all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voice, and wept.” It is clearly said of the sons of man, the children of the devil Belial, that they are the thorns, “they shall be as thorns in your sides, and their gods shall be a snare unto you”.

Now to the words of Paul, “For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise” Who is the fool, one that rejects wisdom and understanding, His statutes and judgments. How are thee wise. Jesus said, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” This is how thee are wise, “be ye therefore wise as serpents.” Those of the so-called Christian and Catholic are like serpents. What do I mean. Was it not the serpent, “was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.” Did he not beguile Eve to eat of the tree of good and evil. Did not he say, “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Does not Jesus say, “This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” How much different is “Ye shall not surely die” to “he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever”. Are not you his sheep, beasts, and wise as serpents. Did not I prove to you Jesus, the beast, was a hypocrite. Did not he accuse the Jews as being hypocrites, but it is he that is the hypocrite. Solomon said, “An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.” In Job it is written, “For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul.” Look at, “though he hath gained”, your gain is eternal life but in hell beneath his feet. Those of the so-called Christian and Catholic faith have become soulless, “when God taketh away his soul.” Isaiah wrote the LORD said, “I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine”

Who is the strength of Israel? Here is the answer, follow me. 1Samuel 15, "And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent."

Do you see, "the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man" The strength of Israel is Sarah, woman, "for he is not a man." In Genesis it is written "But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife." Do you see "for she is a man's wife" this is woman. She is Man's helper.
"Psalmms" 135 "Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy memorial, O Lord, throughout all generations. For the Lord will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants." didn't you see, "that he should repent." "he will repent himself concerning his servants." Man serves G'D and Woman serves Man, she is his strength and helper.

In Genesis it is written "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Do you see, "it shall bruise thy head", the Head of WOMAN IS BRUSIED, Man's. Look at in Job, "So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." Now look at "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Do you see "whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil" What does the "Psalms say, "Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace." Do you not see, "that man was perfect and upright" and David wrote "Mark the perfect man"

Now to "thou shalt bruise his heel." Woman will bruise the serpent's heel. Now look at "And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them." "and his hand took hold on Esau's heel", "thou shalt bruise his heel." Woman will bruise the serpent's heel. Easu is the coming of the serpent, satan. The perfect man is Jacob. Israel is BORN of the perfect Man and Woman. NOW LOOK AT "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman" Look what is written in Ecclesiastes 3, "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they.

Look what is written in Genesis, “And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself. And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.” Do you not see “for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God” Look at a prayer of Jacob, “And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the Lord which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee: I am not worthy of the least of all the mercies, and of all the truth, which thou hast shewed unto thy servant; for with my staff I passed over this Jordan; and now I am become two bands. Deliver me, I pray thee, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau: for I fear him, lest he will come and smite me, and the mother with the children.” Does not it say “Deliver me, I pray thee, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau” Now to “And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above; And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.” Do you not see” And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother”. GOD brought the sword of Esau, your “god”, to destroy the gentiles.

Now to “But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. And Pharaoh said unto him, Get thee from me, take heed to thyself, see my face no more; for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die. And Moses said, Thou hast spoken well, I will see thy face again no more.” Do you not see “for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die” Paul wrote, “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” In Revelation it is written, “And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.” Do you not see, “and the third beast had a face as a man” It is written in Deuteronomy 1 “Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.” Do you not see, “ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's” And what is GOD”S judgment when you appear before your father and “god” Pharaoh, “for in that day thou seest my face thou shalt die” It is written, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Do you not see, “the beginning and the ending” Have you no knowledge “And the first beast was like a lion” “and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle” Did not Peter write, “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”
“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending” “your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:”

http://www.watch.pair.com/HRChrist.html

Open your eyes.

Beware of the leven of the the NEO-PHARISEE'S!!

This is why the zionists/christ haters despise Jesus and consider the goi who believe as lower then animals:

Matthew 21

42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

John 8:41-43 (King James Version)
41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Look at what the LORD said to Moses "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him."

And This is what you believe in, In Revelation it is written, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”

Look at what the LORD said to Moses "Behold, I send an Angel before thee" and the prophecy says, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."

Do you see, "Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:" Moses said, "My doctrine shall drop as the rain"

In Deuteronomy 11:14, "That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil."

Do you see "the first rain and the latter rain" Moses said, "My doctrine shall drop as the rain"
"until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be" "the latter rain"

"And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs."

"And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
Yet the Lord hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day."

Do you have a "heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear"

Quoting "Lets look at the Pharisee's knowledge, and I question sincerely its love (for in love are all prophecy and commandments fullfilled):"

The hand of the LORD wrote in the Psalms, "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." Do you not see "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil". You LOVE GOD first. You can see TRUE LOVE IS FULFILLED "And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee."

It appears you have no idea between good and evil, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Look at what the LORD said to Moses "Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name is in him. But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries." and "And ye shall serve the Lord your God, and He shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee." GOD BLESSES THE BREAD OF HEAVEN, MANNA, AND THE WATER FROM THE ROCK.

Look at what you believe, "Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." And you say you have knowledge. what is in your heart, the words that come out of your mouth. You are nothing more than a blood thirsty lust filled canniable. "Ye that love the Lord, hate evil:"

Zeller - sounds like a NEO CON name you rightous liar.

Quoting “I trust that even in your total ignorancy (for you do not know the Lord), you do understand that the bread represents knowledge, this is self evident.”

Remember Moses taught God’s words, “Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments” “for this is your wisdom and your understanding” Apparently He has not done this so for the so-called Christian and Catholic ministries as they are not a house of the LORD. Paul wrote, “From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;” So many so-called Christian pastors teach wisdom comes from the words of Jesus but are they more knowledgeable than Moses and it is the LORD who puts “wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.” Moses met the LORD God face to face, “And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend”, and He was with his mouth and taught him what to say, “Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.”

The Psalms are clear, “Arise, O Lord, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is thy sword:” the wicked are those who destroy the soul. And who is the wicked, “But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?” Do you not see, “The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” Do you not see, “the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands.” The cup of Pharaoh is in one hand and the bread of the serpent is in the other hand. David wrote, “The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.” You will live forever in Hell.

It is clear in the Psalms, “Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate. The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.” Jews serve GOD, The Lord redeemeth the soul of his servants, and sinners creatures serve their “gods” the devil and satan, who destroy the body and soul.

Moses wrote in the Law, "And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee." and "And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand"
"the sons of man, cursed be they before the Lord"
By the Hand of David, "Now therefore, I pray thee, let my lord the king hear the words of his servant. If the Lord have stirred thee up against me, let him accept an offering: but if they be the sons of man, cursed be they before the Lord; for they have driven me out this day from abiding in the inheritance of the Lord, saying, Go, serve other gods."

And this is the blessing, wherewith Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. And he said, The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
"unto him shall the gathering of the people be"

Do you see, "Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:" Moses said, "My doctrine shall drop as the rain"

In Deuteronomy 11:14, "That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil."

Do you see "the first rain and the latter rain" Moses said, "My doctrine shall drop as the rain"
"until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be" "the latter rain"
"And thou shalt take this rod in thine hand, wherewith thou shalt do signs."

In Revelation it is written, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”

Paul wrote, “For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise” . Jesus said, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” This is how thee are wise, “be ye therefore wise as serpents.” Those of the so-called Christian and Catholic are like serpents. What do I mean. Was it not the serpent, “was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made.” Did he not beguile Eve to eat of the tree of good and evil. Did not he say, “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” Does not Jesus say, “This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” How much different is “Ye shall not surely die” to “he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever”. Are not you his sheep, beasts, and wise as serpents. Did not I prove to you Jesus, the beast, was a hypocrite. Did not he accuse the Jews as being hypocrites, but it is he that is the hypocrite. Solomon said, “An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered.” In Job it is written, “For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul.” Look at, “though he hath gained”, your gain is eternal life but in hell beneath his feet. Those of the so-called Christian and Catholic faith have become soulless, “when God taketh away his soul.” Isaiah wrote the LORD said, “I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine” Are ye not a son of man, a child of the devil Belial. Jesus said, “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” Paul wrote to the Romans, “It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat,” You are damned for eating the bread of the SERPENT..

Look what is written in Genesis, “And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:” It is clear “thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field” The serpent is over those of the Christian faith. Look what is written in Hebrews, “Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.” Those sinner creatures of the Christian faith are under their “gods” feet. And those of the TRUE faith in ONE GOD are at the feet of Moses, “Yea, he loved the people; all his saints are in thy hand: and they sat down at thy feet; every one shall receive of thy words. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”

Let me recite some peaceful jewish leaders that directed the war policy in this country for Iraq:

Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Abrhams, Libby, Kagan, Kristol....

Neo conservatism is a JEWISH movement lead by JEWISH war mongers who created a new holocaust in Iraq to "protect" Israel.

Interesting how the Jews on here are criticising Christians for war or belief........time to look in the mirror!

Mr. Zeller, your logic is completely pathetic.

I laugh with a haughty roll when I read your ignorance and indirect or direct lies being spread abroad about the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let me make a mockery of your thinking in brief:

you say...

"Now look at, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Cristians get the bread from the serpent, Satan."

I trust that even in your total ignorancy (for you do not know the Lord), you do understand that the bread represents knowledge, this is self evident.

Lets look at the Pharisee's knowledge, and I question sincerely its love (for in love are all prophecy and commandments fullfilled):

The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees.

Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single member of that literature, and round it are gathered a number of Midrashim, partly legal (Halachic) and partly works of edification (Haggadic). This literature, in its oldest elements, goes back to a time before the beginning of the Common Era, and comes down into the Middle Ages. Through it all run the lines of thought which were first drawn by the Pharisees, and the study of it is essential for any real understanding of Pharisaism.
— R. Travers Herford for the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia. (2)

what do the modern day "Jews" study? The same Talmud they studied, babylonian.

The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs or ceremonies we observe — whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists — we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.
— Herman Wouk (8)

What do they teach?

In the book "Orot," Orot Yisrael chapter 5, article 10 (page 156), Rabbi Kook wrote: "The difference between the Jewish soul, in all its independence, inner desires, longings, character and standing, and the soul of all the Gentiles, on all of their levels, is greater and deeper than the difference between the soul of a man and the soul of an animal, for the difference in the latter case is one of quantity, while the difference in the first case is one of essential quality."
— Rabbi Bar-Chayim, quoting Rabbi Kook (15) (emphasis in original)

so IT IS CLEAR that modern "Jews" who use the babylonian TALMUD as their holy text are against humanity in general, and are very rascist and secular.

While Jesus Christ taught us to love one another:
John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Does this trouble your twisted, perverted and ignorant soul?

Acts 13:27
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Uh, Anon:

Refresh my memory, what were the Jews right about?

It really galls the Christians that the Jews were right about Jesus all along.

Sinner creatures who serve other "gods" with their memorials, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

Remember in Genesis 40 it is written, "And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt. And Pharaoh was wroth against two of his officers, against the chief of the butlers, and against the chief of the bakers."

Now look at "And in the vine were three branches: and it was as though it budded, and her blossoms shot forth; and the clusters thereof brought forth ripe grapes: And Pharaoh's cup was in my hand: and I took the grapes, and pressed them into Pharaoh's cup, and I gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand. And Joseph said unto him, This is the interpretation of it: The three branches are three days: Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand, after the former manner when thou wast his butler."

Do you not see, "Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place"

Now to, "And Joseph answered and said, This is the interpretation thereof: The three baskets are three days: Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thy head from off thee, and shall hang thee on a tree; and the birds shall eat thy flesh from off thee. And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants: and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants. And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh's hand: But he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had interpreted to them."

Recall, "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." The cup is of Pharaoh his brothers blood, "thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand" Now look at "and the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: am I my brother's keeper? And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;" Do you not see "thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand" look at "to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand" the cup is from Cain. The Son of Man. Remember the LORD said to Adam, "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life" Now look again at "in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"
He eats blood of those slained of Cain, his brothers.

now to "But he hanged the chief baker" this is the "god" of the sinner creatures who hung on the cross. Remeber, "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Now look at, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." Cristians get the bread from the serpent, Satan.

The sinner creatures who worship their "gods" celebrate Easter, "And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants" Easter is Pharaoh's birthday.

In the Psalms it is written, "For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer. And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love. Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand." it is also written, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like man, and fall like one of the princes." the promise of GOD to his servent's enemies, "But ye shall die like man" they eat the serpent's bread all the days of their life, the body of christ them and their own seed, and drink the own seed's blood when they are slain by cain.

Do you not see "Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand" this is Pharaoh(Set thou a wicked man over him), the son of man, CAIN(and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand), and the serpent (let Satan stand at his right hand of Cain), the the father, the son, the holy ghost of the sinner creatures of the christian faith.
Remember Jesus said "I will raise him up at the last day" the servents of Pharaoh, "and he lifted up the head of the chief butler and of the chief baker among his servants" "Yet within three days shall Pharaoh lift up thine head, and restore thee unto thy place: and thou shalt deliver Pharaoh's cup into his hand" the "god who lifts up the sinner creatures of the christian faith is Pharaoh, their "god"

Isaiah wrote, "But thus saith the Lord, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children. And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob."

Moses wrote in the Law, "And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee."

GLORY TO THE BLESSED LORD GOD OF ISRAEL, THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS

In the Psalms it is written, "They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt; Wondrous works in the land of Ham, and terrible things by the Red sea. Therefore he said that he would destroy them, had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach, to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.
Yea, they despised the pleasant land, they believed not his word"

"they believed not his word:" "And the Lord thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee."

Who is the strength of Israel? Here is the answer, follow me. 1Samuel 15, "And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent."
Do you see, "the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man" The strength of Israel is Sarah, woman, "for he is not a man." In Genesis it is written "But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife." Do you see "for she is a man's wife" this is woman. She is Man's helper.
"Psalmms" 135 "Thy name, O Lord, endureth for ever; and thy memorial, O Lord, throughout all generations. For the Lord will judge his people, and he will repent himself concerning his servants." didn't you see, "that he should repent." "he will repent himself concerning his servants." Man serves G'D and Woman serves Man, she is his strength and helper.
In Genesis it is written "And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Do you see, "it shall bruise thy head", the Head of WOMAN IS BRUSIED, Man's. Look at in Job, "So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown." Now look at "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Do you see "whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil" What does the "Psalms say, "Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace." Do you not see, "that man was perfect and upright" and David wrote "Mark the perfect man"
Now to "thou shalt bruise his heel." Woman will bruise the serpent's heel. Now look at "And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them." "and his hand took hold on Esau's heel" The perfect man is Jacob. Israel is BORN of the perfect Man and Woman. NOW LOOK AT "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman" Look what is written in Ecclesiastes 3, "I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts." Israel is not Born of Adam, but of Jacob,the PERFECT MAN AND WOMAN.
hope this helps.
This is what sinner creatures believe, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:" "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
The sons of man are beasts, serpents.

Claiming Jesus as your guiding light is easy. What will you do with the guiding light is another matter.

Candide, name calling is not nice...

How is the Da Vinci Code going, btw? What reading is this, your 20th?

Gets better every time!

Speed is obviously a Catholic Fascist -- in the tradition of Joseph de Maistre, Donoso Cortes, Joseph Veuillot, and Charles Maurras. But certainly not as bright as any of them.

George W answered "Jesus" because it was a Primary debate and George was interested in getting the Evangelical vote. That has been the Rove strategy. So Bush said "Jesus" because Rove told him to say that. And since actions speak louder than words, we know Bush lied when he said it.

Now, Saperstein defends Bush citing Jesus, as opposed to political figures, because he believes Jesus "had as much impact on politics as any figure in world history". That is simply not true. After Jesus died, the middle east where Jesus lived and taught had not changed. Followers of Christ did little to change laws or any leadership. The religious following of Christ was considered a small cult until Constantine adopted the religion hundreds of years later and waged war and suppression to make it the Roman state religion. My guess is that when Bush said he admired Jesus, he really meant Constantine, who used war and government funds to spread his vision. But that answer was not the one Rove allowed him to give.

Speed123:

I have a simple question for you. What are your beliefs and what are your politics?

Or maybe, Candide, it was because Jesus had children out of wedlock with Mary M and therefore was blackmailed by the Pharisees into colusion with the ruling powers....!

Good thing the bible was white washed by rabid Jew haters before the truth got out.

And thank goodness the apostles appeased the Romans! It really got the Christians good seats for the "bread and circus" of the coliseum and decades of prefered treatment!

PS - do you know when the next Dan Brown comes out? I bet that this would help complete some of your conspiracy theories.

Tomb of Jesus II - getting crazy in the catacombs!

Speed 123: How dumb! Jesus was very close to the Pharisees, but when the Gospels were written forty or more years later the new Christians had come into competition with the Pharisees for control of the Palestinian masses. The Jesus who had trouble with Pharisees stems from this later situation, not from historical truth.

The Gospel writers have blackened anyone not agreeing with their agenda: Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, all Jews, etc. They have whitened the Romans to appease them and convince them not to persecute the Jesus-freaks.

If you can read, try SGF Brandon's JESUS AND THE ZEALOTS.

This may be the least-important column ever posted at On Faith. Cal Thomas & Chuck Colson look like Rhodes Scholars in comparison.

And since this thread talks about use of religion for war...you are simple minded if you cannot see that this is a Jewish lead war - not one by Christians.

Who were the main policy guys behind this war? The Neo Cons?

Are the most powerful and founding Neo Cons Christian? Nope. They are of the same faith as Saperstein.

Wolfowitz, Abrhams, Perle, Feith, Aldeman, Kristol, Kagan, Libby and the founder of the movement at the university of chicago, Strauss - were all Jewish!

Dont blame this one on the Christians.

This was a Zionist, rightwing war from the start. Evangicals were behind it because they are nuts.

Nice conspiracy theory there, Candide...that explains everything that you wish to believe! How useful.

He claimed to be King in opposition to the rule of the Pharisees and their twisted and corrupt law that used the Jewish people and lead them astray from the teachings of Moses et all.

Speed 123: When the crowds on Palm Sunday cried Hosannah Son of David, what did they mean? Hosannah means Save us. Save us King Jesus. He had allowed himself to be proclaimed the real King of Israel, in opposition to Roman rule, and that is why he was killed. He might not have preached rebellion but he condoned it. His earliest followers participated in the war against Rome which ended with the destruction of Jerusalem. When the Gospels were written years later the anti-Roman themes were eliminated in favor of pro-Roman and anti-Jewish themes. That is why the New Testament is a very bad guide to the real Jesus.

There will be wars and rumors of wars. So what does that have to do with the price of Tea in china.

What most people fail to realize is that the government is not under the same laws as the people. The bible doesn't say anything against fighting wars. If I am not mistaken wars happened all of the time and they were sanctioned by God so what makes us so highly educated people think that wars are just going to stop because everyone wants "WORLD PEACE" (which by the way there will never be until the Prince of Peace returns to the earth. So if there are wars going on and rumors of wars because I am a child of the Most High God, I am not worried or concerned because it's all in the plan. President Bush is the right man for the job. This war would have taken place regardless of who was in office. Rather we called or they started it it would have taken place. He is standing firm and not bowing down. God will prevail in the end. So let's just pray for the protection of our troops that they are not killed in action. Read the prophecies mentioned in Ezekiel, and several other books of the Old Testament and also Revelation and Jude in the new. It is all written. So I have no worries. I have casted my cares on God as I am supposed to as a child of God and a friend of God and a servant of Jesus Christ.

ROY, Jesus chased the money changers from the temple of God and died on the cross because the high priests were the money changers.

Moral: the high priests are more powerful than the son of God. Mr Bush is/was a seeker of power and therefore associates with the powerful. Given a choice between God and God's representatives he chose the most powerful of the two, here on earth of course.

http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul explains that. The big bucks, position and power is "I am the God of your (Moses) father's" reward for those who lead the multitudes to hell. 86% of Americans wouldn't think of removing "under God" from the pledge, a significant multitude.

Is it God of Devil that's Pat Robertson's source?

“Jesus; because he changed my heart.”

So it's Jesus' fault that W is so amazingly evil? I hope Jesus starts leaving people alone. We have enough evil people already.

Bush's reference to Jesus to get elected was part of the manipulative politics of Karl Rove. These guys suckered decent sincere Christians to go off on a path of hatred, exclusion and arrogance in the name of Jesus Christ. Bush, Rove, Haggard, Swaggart, Dobson, Falwell and Robertson hijacked Christianity for their own greed, power and political agendas. How sad for Jesus.

Rabbi Saperstein is full of delusions that he wishes to pass on to the unintelligent.

First off, who is this guy kidding? It's obvious he's a mouthpiece for the neocons.

Lets review Mr. Sapersteins statement:

"The ways in which President Bush lived up to the model of his inspiration, the ways in which he did and did not subsequently prioritize the plight of the poor and the ill and to which he was willing to always seek non-violent resolution to injustice and evil will be a source of debate for generations to come. "

President Bush attacked a nation (premptively), based on LIES. He authorized the use of sanctions that have resulted in the deaths of 100's of thousands of innocent children.

The people in Iraq are so far from freedom and democracy, all they can hope for is a little food and even a small moment of peace.

Bush is no more a follower of Christ then I am a millionare.

This Saperstein is full of it.

More Psuedo religious political bull.
What a waste.

Have you read the bible?

Well give yourself a good ol' pat on the back, Dave, for supporting Bush when he dangled the answer "Jesus" out there for all the voters to see. Nevermind the fact that his political legacy is diametrically opposed to what the "change of the heart" should have taught him.

Here's another quote: "If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians."

Sounds like a defense of compassionate conservativism to me. But that one's from Hitler. Do you support his statement too, regardless of the hypocrisy?

He and His clan comes from the pat robertson brainwashing school, and though he represents the cream of the crop concerning his violent streak, He and his amoral robots are at this very moment buzzing around washington D.C. creating new ways of keeping their foot on the sore throat of all those who are not white and christain or just happen to fall below thier super-wealth bracket, or anyone who just might want to plant a windmill or 2. there are something like 150 regent university graduates working in the white house.
that is Bush times 150, and suddenly you have a plauge.

peel away the fruit and you find a man who is a hypocrite. A human of the very worst kind, evil, selfish, elitist, racist, violent, murderer inflicting touture on those still alive.

Where do you get that Jesus was a rebel leader against the Roman Empire? Is this Prof. Crossan anonymous user account?

"Give onto Cesar...."is not a call for political rebellion.

He was against all hypocricy and power - first and foremost that of the Jewish leadership - i.e. the Pharisees - who had led the people astray.

To say that he was only a politician against imperalism is a form of revisionism that is used by dishonest critics and scholars such as Crossan.

As for the previous post, the "timeline" of the second coming can be interpreted in any number of ways...don't assume that your interpretation is the correct one...

Saperstein just had to put into an other wise good piece a little dig at Christians: just "a nice Jewish boy." Couldnt help yourself, I bet...

No doubt that, technically, he was a nice Jewish boy; however, that is not what the Jewish leaders at the time - or even today in the Talmud - call him.

Take a look around at the world today and you will see that he was and is much more than a "nice Jewish boy" that you would like to portray him as...

Since most Christians misinterpret Jesus it comes as no surprise that a rabbi would also do so.

Jesus expected the end of the world as it was, with God intervening to destroy Roman rule in Israel. This gamble failed and Jesus was killed as a political rebel. What he taught was in part ordinary Old Testament morality and ethics and in part preparation for the coming end of everything -- thus he was not relevant then and is not relevant now.

Stop talking about Jesus -- the real Jesus is not someone we can handle. Albert Schweitzer noted this over 100 years ago.

Jesus Christ did not hold political power but the question was about a "political philosopher." In that context, Bush probably did have it right. The question next time should be about who is the most influential political leader.

I think its admirable for politicians to try to emulate Christ in their handleing of social issues. However, most that stand up for "Christian values" do just the opposite. Christ taught that we should stand up for those who needed help with his parables and beatitudes. When a self-styled "christian" politician claims God hates homosexuals or that God supports us in a war etc, they always quote the Old Testament, not Christ. To me, they are not Christians.

I believe that Christianity as a discipleship to Christ is a difficult but most noble way of life. After all, loving Osama Bin Laden or Ahmedinezad isn't easy. We should stop thinking that anyone is Christian because he tells us so. I think that Jesus woulln't have given the tax breaks to the super-rich while children are starving here and abroad; I think that Jesus would have wanted us to understand that today's social organization requires that some aid to the poor and the afflicted be provided by the government through taxes; I think Jesus wouldn't have announced that this country reserves the right to attack preempively anyone perceived to be a threat to us; I think that Jesus would have passed the CAFE standards, and laid open the dealings of his vice president with the oil companies, so we could be informed and start on the way of saving his creation, instead of polluting it and choking it with CO2; Jesus wouldn't have encouraged his people to pile up debts to feed their various adventures; I think Jesus wouldn't have refused to talk to Iranians and Syrians, just as he didn't refuse talking to his adversaries back then; I think, Jesus would have tried to save the lives of Iraqis, Darfurians and Palestinians just as much as the lives of his own people. I even think that he would have ordered his lieutenants to seek solutions to whatever grievances the people who are causing the daily massacles in Iraq by talking, instead of relying exclusively on his weapons. Come to think of it, Jesus would have scrapped weapons and placed his trust in God. No, I don't think we should disarm, not just yest; but we ought to think about trying to rely almost exclusively on our weapons. It is neither Christian nor smart! I believe that Christ is God and hope for salvation, but I cannot tell you what God wants anyone else to do.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak.

Justice and righteousness -- Jesus took firm and radical positions on both. These upset his disciples then and continue to upset people today.

In a concise summary, in plain language, and well-studied, I recommend the book _The Last Week_ by Marcus J. Borg and John D. Crossan.

The people who yack the most about Jesus are usually the ones who least resemble the man. And while I am not a Christian (I don't subscribe to any religion) it makes me sick when I hear rich pigs like Bush try to make himself look like a pius religion person. Apparently Bush and his rich cohorts haven't read that verse in their bible which says that it's easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. But then, as with most Christians, they pick and choose verses from the bible like they were eating at a buffet. They take what they like and discard the rest.
As for me, I'll take the words of John Lennon: Imagine no religion. Yes, imagine.

The people who yack the most about Jesus are usually the ones who least resemble the man. And while I am not a Christian (I don't subscribe to any religion) it makes me sick when I hear rich pigs like Bush try to make himself look like a pius religion person. Apparently Bush and his rich cohorts haven't read that verse in their bible which says that it's easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven. But then, as with most Christians, they pick and choose verses from the bible like they were eating at a buffet. They take what they like and discard the rest.
As for me, I'll take the words of John Lennon: Imagine no religion. Yes, imagine.

Noting that GW has allowed others to corrupt almost every aspect of goverment for political or economic gain shows that he serves less as the President of entire United States and more as the Presider over one particular section of the Republican party. I find it difficult to judge anyone's capacity for faith, but I am afraid that GW's braclette would not read WWJD (What would Jesus do), but WWKRD (what would Karl Rove Do).

Has Bush Followed the Philosophy of Jesus?

1. Help the poor, afflict the rich.

Amount of tax relief to the rich in Bush admin: $500 Billion.
Amount of New Money Spent to Raise up the Poor: -$50Billion.

2. Non Violent Response to your enemies:

400,000 deaths/injuries in Iraq DUE TO Bush's War of Choice.

How did he do?

Is there such a thing as a score of Negative Infinity?

Sounds like a religious concept.

If W wants his legacy to be a nutjob far right wing Christian messianic ideologue, he's got it. He doesn't practice what he preaches. He lives in a world that is only clear to him, not the rest of us, and he dismisses the rest of the country as easily as one throws away trash.

Perhaps it took something like Jesus for W. to stop drinking. Personally, I think I might have liked to have seen what he could do before he stopped.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I pretty much regard organized religion and most of their propaganda, yes, propaganda, as a fraudulent enterprise that's traveled under the radar of public oversight for far too long. A lot of the problems we seem to be seeing in the news these days can at least be partly attributed to some of these people out there broadcasting all this garbage, I'd like to see a 'sunshine' law that requires any/all religious institutions operating within the borders(yes, they've gone global, too) of the United States at least to slap their books on the table so that all and sundry can inspect for themselves the Genesis and Exodus of any and all monies involved. Corruption can wreck any institution, including the (insert your preferred house of worship here) Church, and the only way to clean them up, and clean them out, if necessary, is through wide open doors and broad public oversight. False piety in the name of profit is, well, a problem...for thirty bucks, you, too, can become an ordained minister, Google, and ye shall finde.....

I missed the part in the New Testament where Jesus said the government should help the poor. "Verily I say unto you, blessed is he who votes to give other peoples' tax money to the needy, for he shall be holier than thou."

I also overlooked the part about attacking countries in the middle east, and the civilian population be damned. That was the Old Testament, wasn't it?