We are Seekers and Shoppers

Kerusso,

Father Raymond Brown was never a member of the Jesus Seminar's group of NT exegetes and his 800 page book, An Introduction the New Testament, received approval from the Catholic Church.

And if you have the study(ies) showing that the Jesus Seminar represents only 1% of modern theologians and historians of religion, please present said reference(s). By the way, three of the On-Faith panelists are or have been members of the Jesus Seminar i.e. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen.

Gary,

The Jesus seminar is anything but exegetical. They are the anti-exegete, which is why it is so silly that CCnotL hangs onto them so desperately.

We know and he knows, he is on very thin eis.

Keep up the good fight,
Canyon

Kerusso The exigetes he references are always the Jesus seminarians who represent something on the order of 1% of modern exigetical thinking though he doesn't think so.

Whoever said it, they were talking about you.

P.S. It was God speaking through Paul.

Kerusso,

I did. Like I said not from the "enlightened" Paul but plagiarized by Paul "wannabees" from the ancients. Please give the proper references next time.

Read the verse...

Kerusso,

Like I said:

Most contemporary NT exegetes believe after exhaustive research that the epistles to Timothy (and Titus) were not written by Paul but by "wannabee" Pauls. See Father Ray Brown's analyses in his 878 page book, An Introduction to the New Testament pp. 639, 654, 673,
an excerpt:

"Authenticity: Probably written by a disciple of Paul or a sympathetic commentator of the Pauline heritage several decades after the apostle's death. "

See also Professors Crossan and Reed's book, In Search of Paul and Professor Bruce Chilton's book, Rabbi Paul.

And Paul (or his "wannabees") the Prophet? Hardly, he could not even get the timing of Jesus' second coming correct but it did serve to dramatically increase both the conversion rate and the coffers. Hmmm, contemporary preachers/fortune tellers/Mormon "profiteers" still use that con game.

What a heap...

Kerusso,

The NT exegetes would say that Timothy was not written by Paul but by a pseudo Paul so anything of value there was probably plagiarized from the Greeks and/or OT.

NotL,

Suit yourself; what do your eisegetes say about 2 Timothy 4:3?

Kerusso,

I am still working through the ultimate in edification i.e. the books written by the many contemporary NT exegetes especially in the field of historic Jesus studies. Said books are listed and described at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

It's interesting to watch religion switching in Mexico. It's often for more practical reasons than "shopping" In Chiapas, where I live, 50% of adults are illiterate. They can't be a member in good standing of the Catholic Church because they can't read to pass Catechism. The ratio of priests to parishioners is about 1:750. The Catholic Church looks the other way regarding alcoholism. With a high level of illiterate alcoholics, many find the evangelical churches (not the hateful American political neochristian kind) the only alternative. These churches forbid alcohol and many families are saved by this conversion where illiterates are accepted in full standing.

CCnotL,

You are right, it is only applicable to shepherds. You seem to like reading extrabiblical stuff to your own detriment, why don't you try an edifying book?

ISBN - 978-0310274414

GaryD,

You thump to an empty church!!!

And again you have read all the Christian texts from the first to third century CE? Said texts are available on line for your perusal at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

Continue in your Jesus seminarian delusion if you wish. I've seen it and it is part of the problem not part of the solution. Just another bunch of hacks who would steal the thunder of almighty God to no better end than to glorify themselves.

GaryD,

But did Jesus really say "Feed my Sheep" even once?? Many contemporary NT exegetes say no he did not. Tis a worn out passage fit only for shepherds. See http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/006_Revealed_to_Peter for a bit more on the subject.

3 times Jesus the Christ gave the same instruction to Peter. Feed my sheep. The sheep, all to often, aren't being fed what the sheep require. What then is surprising about the fact that they wander from pasture to pasture.

There are certain words in the English language which I cannot say without explitives. The first is the sniper towers in the middle east, I am incapable of referring to them as anything but, "F'ing Minerets".

Another, which is more apt for this discussion, is "ecumenical bull$#!^." It is a down-grade of truth, everyone thinks everyone elses truth is equally viable.

But there is only one God, one truth, and one way to life. All of the others make up a broad-path to destruction.

Consider we stand before an earthly judge, Big Brother has successfully tracked every one of our movements and knows our crimes. Everytime we've exceeded the speed limit becomes known to the court, every half-stop at a stop-sign is made evident, and that time you jumped over into the HOV lane when you didn't have someone else in the car with you is shown on the big screen and the crowd gasps.

You're guilty, the evidence is clear, you try the "But everyone else does it" excuse and the judge scowls at you. You are making a mockery of his court. He decides to throw the book at you to make you an example to all, that the law will not be trifled with. He assigns a $250,000 fine on you, and just as the bailiff is about to pass judgment, someone at the back of the courtroom stands up and says, "Judge, I want to pay this man's fine, I've been able to raise the money by selling everything I own and mortgaging my house, even though he is guilty, I want him to go free." You can go free, not because you haven't broken the law, but beacuse your fine is paid.

Now consider the Eternal Courtroom, the book of your conscience has recorded all of your transgressions. Every deed done in darkness is brought to the light. Every time you committed a sexual sin in your mind is brought forward as evidence, and everytime you felt hatred manifest in your heart. You ask why these unfulfilled emotions are being tried and your Judge explains that if you so much as look at someone to lust after them, you have committed adultery with them in your heart, and that if you hate your fellow man, you will be tried as a murderer at heart. Next is the section for lies, and in big bold letters is printed "All liars will have their place in the Lake of Fire." Beneath that it says that "No thief will inherit the kingdom of God."

The evidence is clear, your conscience bears witness to your transgressions, the eternal fine is Hell.

But here is the good news, someone you don't know, someone you don't like, stepped up and paid your fine 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh came to this fallen and diseased world, born of a virgin, where he lived a perfect sinless life and gave himself up to die on the cross so that through his sacrifice, you can be absolved.

He commands everyone everywhere to repent, and trust in him and that his atoning work was sufficient to pay for your sins. When you do this, you will be forgiven, not because you've chosen the right religion or right denomination, but because you are forgiven by God through the payment on the cross.

Unless you can find another way to pay for your sins, this is the only way. Remember, God doesn't accept bribes, and he says that the works of the flesh are as filthy rags.

There truly is only one God, one truth, and one way to life. Repent and be accepted into it.