Christians Are Called to Fight Both "Isms"

A Gritty Testimony of deliverance .




My name is Rev Verona Allagoa-Rose. Three years after a personal encounter with Christ, I was ordained in 1993, and have been a Godchaser since then. Unfortunately, I went through a divorce in 1998, after 18 yrs of marriage, and obtained custody of my three children. Almost immediately, I began to hear and sense a demon spirit manifesting in my house. There were different awful manifestations such as horrible smells; rubbish; rotting meat; farts, and food going bad. In addition there were doors shutting and objects falling down.
This spirit told me that it was God and that it had come to make me pay for my sins. It followed me about everywhere with abuse and compelling requests that I commit suicide. It went to work with me, shopping and worst of all to church where it did everything to stop my prayer and worship with verbal abuse and the most disgusting smells e.g rotting eggs.
My Senior Pastor had no idea of what was happening to me and continued to preach the prosperity gospel. There was little preaching of holiness and no efforts to start deliverance sessions to set people free. Because I was a Minister, I tried to get rid of this spirit on my own through the usual channels of praying and fasting and commanding it to leave by the power of Christ and by the blood of Jesus. Nothing worked, and eventually the Lord warned me that it was a principality and that I needed to get help from someone with an anointing bigger than mine.
Simultaneously my daughter began to suffer from bipolar affective disorder, and everytime I sensed this evil spirit manifest and go and stand behind my daughters’ chair, a terrible fight would erupt between us. She began to suffer from agoraphobia, and was unable to leave the University hostel to go to classes. In addition, she was attacked with confusion and memory loss, and was instantly unable to cope with the calibre of her studies at University.
She failed her exams at University, and could not sustain relationships because of the dreadful anger which the Lord described as coming from spirits called the furies.
I eventually left the church when I found a church with a more powerful anointing. Here there were regular deliverance sessions and the gospel was preached with signs and wonders following. It was here that I asked the man of God for help and told him what was happening to us. He prayed for me and asked me to go back home. When I returned home, my daughter was healed and delivered and the evil spirit was silent. I became a deliverance Minister in this church and was used by the Holy Spirit frequently. It took a little more time but by the next Easter, I woke up one day to the most ethereal smells, the scent of a rose; the sharpness of chloroform, and the sweetness of the lily.
I heard the demon spirit begin to scream. ‘He’s killing me, he’s killing me. That was the end of the evil Spirit. My daughter is back in University and coming top in her class regularly. As for me, the attacks of chest pain, memory loss, and insomnia have stopped.
I give the Lord the glory and plead with the Christian church to sit up because of my testimony. Depression is not a chemical imbalance that can be cured with seroxtat and other pills. Depression is a spirit with a mind and a malevolent purpose. The voices that people hear when they are depressed are not figments of the imagination. There are wicked spirits behind those voices and their intention is to destroy the living and to keep them as far away as possible from the Living Jesus, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
Each time I dressed up to go to church I was attacked with foul odours, my belly swelling up, so that no clothes could fit; chest pain, or sleeping inappropriately and even snoring in church. I have listed some of the manifestations of the demons which I noticed personally or which I have seen others experience in my church, More than conquerors ministry, in London, England. Please check my website veronarose.com. My book is titled ‘The archbishop and the deliverance of Verona Rose’published in2007 by Iuniverse.It can be purchased on amazon or by calling all the major bookstores and ordering by phone. It is the first of a Trilogy which will describe the activities of demons in the Church today and how to get rid of them.
May the Lord witness the truth of my message to you so that you will live in victory through living in holiness. He is a holy God, thrice holy and cannot be compromised.
If you are a prisoner, or you are depressed, or both, or know someone who is a prisoner, please visit my website . This is your chance to meet the God who set me free. He is faithful and loving. Send a copy to a prisoner or request someone that you know who can afford it to buy copies for the prison outreach ministry. If you know a prisoner who will benefit from this book, send a review to amazon or barnes and noble describing what you liked about my book and I will send you a copy for him for half price.

God bless you and keep you victorious
Rev Verona Rose
www.veronarose.com

Gaby what then is your explanation for the thousands of Christians who never set foot in a church until they were 30+?

What did being a Christian gain Paul in this world?

How do you explain Madelyn Murray O'Hare's son hie is not only a Christian but a preacher.

Conversations about which is more deeply entrenched in this country should address religion, as it is even more ingrained than either "isms." Religion is the problem not the solution as this article would imply. At the heart of racism and sexism are religious-like beliefs themselves, widely shared notions held onto even in the face of counter-evidence. Religion harbors these beliefs and even propagates them. There is nothing more widely used to defend one's bigotry than the Bible, which has been used to justify the enslavement of blacks, keeping them segregated, and from marrying whites, and for justifying the discrimination of gay people. Slavery was ended not because of Christian values but rather progressive values that reflected an advancing culture. The same applies to the subjugation of women. Churches may give women "meaningful" responsibilities, provided they are appropriately within patriarchal frameworks. How many churches still fail to ordain women as priests or ministers? The end of these "isms" will not come faster when religion is properly scrutinized.

Hi Daniel ITLD:

My personal observation of devout people of any religion and why they choose to believe in it is multi-fold:

1. You've have been brainwashed from early Childhood.

2. It's a ritual to go to church and hear how good you are and be absolved from your sins by virtue of believing in your particular deity. Plus, you like the fellowship of the people who worship with you.

3. You are seeking something that is missing in your life. An answer that science can not give you and you do not have enough imagination to answer your questions for yourself. Yet, you are intent to get the answer to the ultimate question...where did it all start and where will it end? Religious texts appear to have tha answer.

4. You are terrified of dying and your believe gives you something to cling onto...that there is life after death. How can billions of Christians and Muslims be wrong??

5. It's not enough just to be a good person, you need to be able to show it to friends, neighbors, and the overall community....and the best way to accomplish that is to go to church.

That's just some of them.

I am very fortunate to have found my own answers and therefore do not need religion.

I think what disturbs me most about fundamentalists like Angela is that they do not seem to question anything that written in their "holy" book. They take a 2000-year old text and try to apply it to the modern world. In addition, that old text includes stories of events that supposedly happened 6000 years ago. True, some things never change, such as love and charity, but many others do.

Peace be with you my friend. You and Arminius are the kind of Christians I respect and have trust in.

Daniel,

In some respects, you are absolutely correct. There is no reason why Christians can't share the gospel and their love for Christ by their actions and the way they live their lives. Unforunately, that doesn't always translate well. As the Christian band D.C. Talk put it, "the single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and deny him by their lifestyle."

But there is another problem with your argument, and I can speak to it personally. I grew up in a non-Christian home. For years and years and years, I knew a number of Christian people. They all went to church on Sundays and appeared to live a good, Christian life. Not a single person that I can recall, until my wife, reached out to me to talk about Christianity in general or Jesus Christ specifically. And I quickly assumed that Christianity was about going to church and being a decent human being. Could anything be farther from the truth? Being a servant to your fellow man and loving your brothers and sisters is only a PART of Christianity, it is not the whole picture. My life was transformed forever because one person, with an infinite amount of patience and love, spent some time with me to talk about her faith.

Unfortunately, maybe some Christians, in their zeal and passion for Christ, come across as demanding or lobbying you to give your life to Jesus. And there are others, I'm afraid, whose heart is just not in the right place.

Brambleton

Why cannot Christians share the gospel by the example of how they live their lives, rather than in coercive arguing? I do not think that a Christian is compelled or required to lobby endlessly to others to convert. If that were the case, then all shy and reserved people would be excluded from being Christians. But in reality, they are often better examples to follow than people who speak loudly, aggressively, and intimidatingly about the feelings and wishes of Christ.

Daniel,

The point is not to coerce someone to Christianity. Christians are biblically bound to SHARE the Gospel with others. Whether or not you freely choose to accept it is completely up to you.

Peace and love.

Daniel, you're absolutely right....

I am not telling you not to preach the gospel.

I am merely suggesting that it is impossible to coerce belief in another human heart. That is not your place, and it should not be your goal. I am not so sure you understand what I have been saying.

Just think about it, a little.

"As a believer, I believe the bible is God's word speaking through His prophets and Gods says what sin is..."

But what about people who do not believe as you do? How will quoting from the Bible influence them? Should you not first seek to establishe the authority and credibilty of the Bible, before insisting that people must comply with its instructions? If they do not believe it, they will not even listen.

If there is such a thing as free will, then why not let it operate in others freely? That is why it is free. Even if you do not aknowledge the inner will of others, such free inner will does operate within each and every person, impervious to your pleas to change.

Do you consider it your mission on earth to change the inner free will of other people, to believe as you do? Would you ever be open to exterior coercion being applied to your own inner will, to force your own compliance with a belief different than the belief of your own inner will? Can you imagine any circumstance where someone could force you to freely choose a different belief from the belief that your own inner will has already chosen for you?

I know these questions seem kind of absurd, but that is the direction that you are taking this; that everyone is free to choose, and the choice they must make is ...

The very basis on which you rest your arguments for knowledge and belief do not make sense.

Daniel, we really don't know who's going to be saved but we are still commanded to preach the gospel in season and out; when people listen and when they don't. We don't know if we're entertaining strangers or angels. I don't believe in Armanism which would mean we would continue to sin and live like infediles and we would still go to heaven nor do I believe God made us to be robots but I do believe, he knows beforehand who will come. Also, I've met some people who I can attest I didn't believe. I saw the bible as just a book that man made and know I clearly don't feel that way. We never know but we shouldn't not try and Paul states we are to speak the truth in love, not just the warm, fuzzy parts in scripture but the whole counsel of God which can sometimes be offensive but that's what God says converts the soul.

"Daniel, you made some very good points and yes,some of these questions are hard to answer as we have free will to accept the spiritual aspect rather than believing something that scientifically doesn't make sense."

Science, is by definition, the consensus of scienists, and cannot "not make sense." That is its definition.

And again free will derives from a person's inner will, which even itself cannot be self-controlled or moderated according to the wishes of other people, because it is, itself, part of the apparatus of knowing and of knowledge, which is unique to each of us, and independent of all others. So to say that a person is free to choose the spiritual over the scientific seems to imply that that is what they should be choosing, not what they may freely choose.

Suppose that there is a requirement of belief, that one has many choices, but of these choices, one is required to make one pre-ordained and pre-destined, and pre-figured choice; to believe like this is simultaneously to deny the very concept of free choice. It is as though you are saying that all is and must be pre-ordained, pre-destined, and pre-figured, according to the will of God. But if that is the case, why struggle so feverishly to impose the will of men upon other men, even if it is in the name of God? I believe that each person has an inner will which operates accoreding to its own rythems and is impervious and immune to the coersions of other people. And that as long as you know your own mind, then why is it necessary to require other people to know your own mind, as well? Even if you don't agree with me, you must admit, that there is no way to intervene inside the minds of other people, and sculpt out the beliefs and feelings of other people; you cannot even do it for you own mind; how can you do it for others?

Daniel, you made some very good points and yes,some of these questions are hard to answer as we have free will to accept the spiritual aspect rather than believing something that scientifically doesn't make sense. However, I will try to answer from what I know from God's word:

As a believer, I believe the bible is God's word speaking through His prophets and Gods says what sin is though I guess His spokeperson (those really called by Him) Example: The Ten Commandments (found in Exodus 20); Galatians 5:19-22 - 19Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: (A)immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20idolatry, (B)sorcery, enmities, (C)strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, (D)disputes, dissensions, (E)factions, 21envying, (F)drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not (G)inherit the kingdom of God.
22But (H)the fruit of the Spirit is (I)love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness. ALSO: 1 Cornithians 6:9-14; 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (Sexual Immorality) 12"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.1) God says that He is the one who gives/sends the invitation to those who will be saved. Also, some were more highly favored: look at Jacob and Esau; one received the blessing and the other was to serve His brother (Jacob was highly favored). Also, Romans 9: 1(A)I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit,
2that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. 3For (B)I could wish that I myself were (C)accursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen (D)according to the flesh, 4who are (E)Israelites, to whom belongs (F)the adoption as sons, and (G)the glory and (H)the covenants and (I)the giving of the Law and (J)the temple service and (K)the promises, 5whose are (L)the fathers, and (M)from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, (N)who is over all, (O)God (P)blessed forever. Amen. 6But it is not as though (Q)the word of God has failed (R)For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children (S)because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "(T)THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED." 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are (U)children of God, but the (V)children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9For this is the word of promise: "(W)AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON." 10(X)And not only this, but there was (Y)Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac;
11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that (Z)God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
12it was said to her, "(AA)THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER." 13Just as it is written, "(AB)JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED." 14(AC)What shall we say then? (AD)There is no injustice with God, is there? (AE)May it never be! 15For He says to Moses, "(AF)I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." 16So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who (AG)runs, but on (AH)God who has mercy. 17For the SCripture says to Pharaoh, "(AI)FOR THIS VERY RPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He (AJ)hardens whom He desires. 19(AK)You will say to me "(AL)Why does He still find fault? For (AM)who resists His will?" 20On the contrary, who are you, (AN)O man, who (AO)answers back to God? (AP)The thing molded will not say to the older, "Why did you make me like this," will it? 21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much (AQ)tience vessels of wrath (AR)prepared for destruction? 23And He did so to make known (AS)the riches of His glory upon (AT)vessels of mercy, which He (AU)prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He also (AV)called, (AW)not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. 25As He says also in Hosea,(AX)I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,'
AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'" 26"(AY)AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,'THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF (AZ)THE LIVING GOD." 7Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "(BA)THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE (BB)LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS (BC)THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; 28(BD)FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD ON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY." 29And just as Isaiah foretold,"(BE)UNLESS (BF)THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY,
BG)WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH." 30(BH)What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even (BI)the righteousness which is by faith; 31but Israel, (BJ)pursuing a law of righteousness, did not (BK)arrive at that law. 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over (BL)the stumbling stone, 33just as it is written,"(BM)BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION (BN)A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE,(BO)AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM (BP)WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

Daniel, in closing, none of us have the right to believe we're more special than anyone but people have stubborn hearts and God's word says that they suppress the truth because they love their sin and they do not want to change so they rationalize their own righteousness.

Say, if you had a friend that lived across the street from you and from your upstairs bedroom each day, you could tell that their house would soon catch on fire and you insisted, through love, telling them the reason why their house was going to burn but they didn't listen. Wouldn't you physically try to break the door down. Another example: what if someone who was walking blind and up aways you can see that they were about the fall off a cliff: would you warn them; that's what God tell us we should be doing. We're only preaching God's word. He is loving, kind, patient but he is also just and righteous and will someday judge the whole universe in righteousness. His word shows us who He is, what we can do, in humility and a teachable spirit, through faith, and also impending judgment. We can't just tell half the story even if it's more tolerable but I don't believe it's more loving.

But if you think belief must and should be imposed under threat of extreme punishment, then what do you think of free will, and the inner will which is part of the apparatus of knowing and knowledge? Do you think it is good to try and break the inner will of people to impose beliefs that they do not of their own free will, accept?

How do you reconcile the concept of free will, with the threat of extreme punishment for people who do not automatically know what you know, without the capcity of their inner will to know it? Why is not posessing the knowledge which you say you have, sinful, and punishable?

You have not attempted to answer any of these questions. But they are valid, if difficult questions. And if you do not know the answers, then you should at least be more tolerant of people who, in the very same way, do not understand what you say.

Daniel, my apologies I first thought you were being condescending. I am one, who doesn't know many things but I know 4 years ago, while searching and knocking at the questions of eternity, Jesus opened the door. We are all born sinful; just look at a little child and you tell them not to touch say, the oven, the first thing they do is touch the oven. God just tells us to have a open, sincere heart; He never mentions knowedge for becoming saved. Moses wasn't an eloquent man but God used Him. Joshua, who was terrified, but again, God used Him for his wonderful plan. None of us have arrived; not one...when we arrive, we will be absent from the body and present with the Lord. But studying His word, applying it to our everyday life, letting his words guide, mold and shape us changes our thinking and us inside and out. I know the things that I used to do, believing I was a good person, I don't do anymore because His laws and commands are written on my heart and it's not fear or legalism; it's love for someone who loved me even before I ever thought about Him. People believe that we are fundamentalist, fanatical and we are taught, to speak truth in love and guard our doctrine closely not letting anyone distort His truth. Also, in obedience and love for others, we honor Him that's why I know that He saves to the uttermost. As long as we have a teachable, humble spirit, He can do all things through us and we come to a knowledge of Him that we never dreamed of: a wonderful journey!

No, I do not have the certain knowledge of things which you claim to know. Does my lack of knowledge make me a sinful person?

You ignored most of my questions, and gave my curiosity, basically a cold shoulder. Since you did that to me, why can you not understand when others do that to you?

Also, the blood of the convenant is Jesus Christ's blood shed on the cross; A sinless man who died for the sins of the world; He took our punishment. In the bible it states: whoever hangs on a cross in cursed. He took our curse and gave us the opportunity to be reconciled to him if we turn from our sins (repent), ask Him for forgiveness and trust in his blood shed on the Cross which is payment in full for those who will now stand innocent. After, we become saved (born again) and will not want to sin: Sin will be like a cancer to those who trust in the blood of Christ; His payment for our ransom. Amazing love...There is no other name above Heaven and Earth which a man can be saved. No other, Not our righteousness, Not our good works, or deeds.

Daniel in the Lion's Den,

What is the laws of Moses: they're found in Exodus 20 (The Ten Commandments). Also, because of the covenant God made with Abraham and his offspring; by grace we are saved right: through faith (saving faith) in Jesus Christ; those who see themselves as breaking God's laws and who stood guilty in God's sight, who have repented of their sins and have placed their trust in Jesus Christ. Those who over and over again, no from their consciences when they've done wrong and have chosen to trust their own righteousness and also, those who have been shown the truth from God's word and whom after knowing the truth, continued to habitually sin (God's definition: trampling on grace). Daniel, no I don't have all the answers but God's spirit testifies to mine that I am his child and also, I do know I'm going to heaven by becoming born-again (born of the spirit; not of the flesh and not of human decent or a husband's choice). We, who are born again, are the children of God. I am a sinner saved by grace. Are you Daniel in the Lion's Den? If you're a Christian, do you not know if you're saved?

"Hebrews 10:26-28; 26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

But what does it mean to receive the knowedge of the truth? If you know something is true, then it is by definition of knowing and knowledge, impossible to reject it; our own inner wills will not permit such a rejection. So what is meant by this statement? And what if people do not have fearful expectation of judgement and of raging fires? What if people do not believe in such things? How do you think that you can alter the interior of men's minds to cause to think and feel and believe things, that by the freedom of their own inner will, they do not believe?

"28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses."

What is the law of Moses?

"29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"

Trampled physically or metaphorically? And if meetaphorially, just how? and what is the blood of the covenant? What is the covenant? Are you referring to a real physical thing? Or what, exactly?

And what is the Spirit of grace, and how can the Spirit of grace be insulted? The insults are rather to men and the theological interpretors of God's will, are they not? since no one can know what God feels, can they? Can you?

If so, how? What if you know the will of God, and what God thinks, and feels, how can anyone of the rest of us, who do not have access to your inner thoughts ever know for sure that what you are telling is, indeed, really is what God thinks and feels? If people doubt your words or the words that you quote as God's how can you get them to stop doubting? What is your program for that project? Merely repeating it over and over again? Is that likely to work? What do you think?

"30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[d] and again, "The Lord will judge his people." WHAT ABOUT JOHN 10:23-25; 23But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,[a] you will indeed die in your sins." What happens to those who die in their sins? Are they forgiven; The bible says no..."

Who are the Lord's people? Is it us? How do you know? Even if you think you have special knowledge that others do not have, and you think that you have all the anwers, by what means are you going to convey this information to others so that they will understand as you do? Merely by repeating it over and over again?

I agree w/Mr.Colson and I'd like to ask this question: what does it state in Hebrews 10:26-28; 26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[d] and again, "The Lord will judge his people." WHAT ABOUT JOHN 10:23-25; 23But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be,[a] you will indeed die in your sins." What happens to those who die in their sins? Are they forgiven; The bible says no...

How about Leviticus-cherry-picking, exclusive, intolerant, hateful neochristianism.

"The only sin that will not be forgiven is to reject the holy spirit. What this means is to reject the holy spirit operating within you that each and every day tries to gently persuade you to the table of Jesus Christ. To speak the word against this spirit is to reject the offer of eternal life. All else is trivial."

What does this mean? Reject in what way? Fail to recognize? Fail to see? Fail to understand? These are all sins? That is news to me.

Explain how failure to sense some mysterious phenomenon can be a sin. What is meant by this characterization?

And who is to say what is and is not forgivable? These are just arbitrary pronouncemnts.

Says who?

Did God say it?

Or did his spokesmen say it?

And what makes them his spokesmen?

Do they know more?

Are they more moral?

Are they special and favored?

Does God have special people whom he favors more than others?

And if he does, then do not they have the right to hold themselves up as superior to the rest of us?

This point of view dismisses a person's inner will, which is beyond the control, even of ourselves, but operates as sort of the apparatus of our knowing and consciousness.

How can this command be carried out by people who do not understand it? And why is there a need, therefore that they be punished?

Show me where it says these things in the Bible. And then after you have shown me, show me how the Bible itself can be offered as credible justification for proving these things. And then show me the consensus of oopinion amoung Christians from Unitarian to Mormon to Baptist to Methodist to Catholic to Orthodox. If you at least had a consensus of opinion, then there might me, at least some credibility in that.

This type of question is really quite silly. For the God says this: For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it - James 2-10 So no sin is above another sin except the sin of arrogance which causes a man to reject the Son of God.

The only sin that will not be forgiven is to reject the holy spirit. What this means is to reject the holy spirit operating within you that each and every day tries to gently persuade you to the table of Jesus Christ. To speak the word against this spirit is to reject the offer of eternal life. All else is trivial.

Mathew 12:31 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

agreed