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Terra Gazelle

Brambleton says to you: "Personally, and as a Baptist, I don't feel much in the way of discrimination. Maybe it's there and I just don't see it. I don't know."

I can see why you want to weep in sorrow and anger.

I should ask the black Baptists again what they think of white Baptists. Just to see if they experienced no more discriminations and racism by some of their white Baptist brothers.

Brambleton,
your historical artifact of In God we Trust is not so historical..it was 1954.

Why would anyone want to move a cross from a chapel? Sorry but that just does not make sense.

As far as discrimination about the headstone emblems of belief?

http://www.circlesanctuary.org/liberty/veteranpentacle/
This has been a fight for going on 10 years...

read the case-
http://www.au.org/site/DocServer/Pentacle_W_D__Wisc__Complaint_with_Ex__C__3_.pdf?docID=1221

This upsets me alot...not just because of the base discrimination..but I have a member in the Air Force, she has been to Iraq and may be on orders again...this is our people that are good enough to fight and die, but not to be honored as others are.

Brambleton,

You: Tens of thousands of Christians all around the world are beaten, jailed, and killed every year for one reason and one reason only - being a Christian and spreading the good news.

Me : What good news about Christianity and by which Christian denomination? Do you have any idea what a burden it is for people in Latin America, Africa and Asia to be Christians with all those donations asked for by churches, and how the Christian denominations compete with one another for adherents? They actually vilify one another - Methodists against Catholics, Catholics against Mormons and it goes on. Don't lecture me about Shiite-Sunni strifes. Look within too.

You: Converting a Muslim to Christianity in Egypt is punishable by death. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.

Me : And freely being an atheist, Mormon, Scientologist, Wiccan in the US while not punishable by death surely suffered insidious dicriminations, vilifications and mockery by the believers of the "true" faith that you obviously subscribe to in schools, in the workplace in blogs etc. That is is also "deaths" of self respect and individual dignity. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute too.

Well yes, I am living in the third world. I expect better from someone living in the land of the free, home of the brave, champion of democracy and human rights to led by example, not lectures.

Anonymous,

Unfortunately, not every Christian lives in the United States and enjoys freedom of religion. Tens of thousands of Christians all around the world are beaten, jailed, and killed every year for one reason and one reason only - being a Christian and spreading the good news. Converting a Muslim to Christianity in Egypt is punishable by death. Those are the facts and they are not in dispute.

Baal,

You guessed wrong and that's not what I'm saying.

Terra,

Personally, and as a Baptist, I don't feel much in the way of discrimination. Maybe it's there and I just don't see it. I don't know. What I do recognize is the tearing down of historical Christian artifacts such as "In God We Trust" on our currency. Or the recent debacle at William & Mary College in Virginia when the school's president ordered an 18-inch brass cross to be removed from the CHAPEL where it stood since 1940. Fortunately for W&M, a petition signed by over 17,000 people, together with a threat of held back donations, convinced the dimwit president to put the cross back.

I'm aware of the headstone issue in regards to some religions, but not sure about what other discrimination you are referring to. Perhaps you could expound?

to terra gazelle

You say: "I really feel sorry for all those discriminated against Christians, I will start weeping for them, after I stop weeping for my own."

Weeping?

My goodness, have a lot of Christians been beaten up, imprisoned, martyred or lynched lately? What have I missed?

Brambleton

Since you agree, I guess then you are saying that a Republican broadcasting network is the kind that bashes politicians for having the wrong religion. I think you are right. That is almost certainly the view of many in the GOP, at least when it suits their purposes.

It always strikes me as amazazingly ignorant for one Christian, who happens to be Baptist, call another, who happens to be Catholic, a non Christian.

The Catholic was THE Christian before Martin Luther.

As a real non Christian I look out and see those "Christians" that are claiming discrimination because they can not force feed their view onto everyone. And I look at those who follow Pagan religions who have to fight for their basic rights and I have to really laugh or cry.

When was the last time a Christian had to fight for their children only for the reason that they were Christain? Who was the last one that said that Christians should not be allowed to practice their faith? When was the last time a governement agency fought having any Christian emblem of belief on a Christain Headstone that covered a fallen soldier?

I really feel sorry for all those discriminated against Christians, I will start weeping for them, after I stop weeping for my own.

Blessed be to all...

Reverend Gaddy,

I too dare to "imagine such an America"!

I, a Catholic-American, agree with you completely, and feel compelled to say so in response to your posting.

Your words further strengthen my already strong belief that I can be a faithful Catholic, and a compassionately patriotic American.

Thank you for sharing, and best of luck in your endeavors!

Brutus,

I agree. How in the world did the liberal, socialist, left-wing democrats ever allow a major media outlet to fall in Republican hands? My guess is affirmative action. Republicans threatened to sue over the fact that Dems control the TV and newspapers, so the Dems decided to bite the bullet and let them have a slice.

Reverend Gaddy,
Thank you for a well thought out post. It is nice to see that someone still believes in the American dream. Those who criticize will doubtless come up with "good reasons" for their prejudice, but good reasons do not move us forward. Nothing will until we can see each other as part of the great human family.

Well of course Fox news would say that. it's owned by Republicans.I bet each anchor chair has a mini "stick" that goes up each of the employees' rears.

I wish you success in the efforts of your organization. You face powerful enemies.

As you say, the next election campaign is where we will discover that the increasingly popular phrase "people of faith" is meaningless. We have already seen that in the eyes of many, Governor Romney and Senator Obama -- not to mention Congressman Ellison -- have the wrong faith. At least that's what they say on Fox News!