Obama and McCain as Panderers-in-Chief

"I will probably have to vote for McCain because I can't trust Obama with the precidency. He's way too socialist and has too many influences that are completely non-American. I just hope that if McCain wins he will finally be honest and tell americans what they need to hear."

Do tell- let's see. Timmons- one of McCain's advisors who was a lobbyist for Saddam; McCain thinks Liddy has paid his dues (how do you pay dues for planning an assassination?; his advisors who were paid lobbyists for Fannie May and Freddie Mac; Additional advisors who are accused of war profiteering in Iraq; the Obama food stamp put out by a republican women's group in CA. with racial insults in the graphic; the Obama/Osama comparison by a little GOP weasel in VA- Jeffrey Frederick; the McCain robocalls panned by both parties; the Michelle Bachmann rant about anti-Americans and the need for a McCarthy style witch hunt....I could go on and on- and I'll make a statement now. the insults and the racism coming from the GOP is far worse than anything coming from Obama's campaign. If you want to talk about pandering, Rabbi, what do you call the GOP pandering to the worst impulses of Americans?

You also may not have noticed but Presidential campaigns do not enable candidates to elucidate anything. When you are trying to address real issues about the economy or foreign policy or climate change, its a little difficult to to have a calm, reasoned, and rational conversation with the other candidate who is spewing hate, lies and racism.

I can't even get what "pandering" you are talking about. If McCain was pandering, he would have picked a better V-P choice, and he would be talking about his policies. He doesn't pander, he markets a GOP brand that is based on sheer contempt for the American voter.

Obama doesn't pander- he does pay attention to the voters. He doesn't talk down to us. He tries to inform about his policies. It's ridiculous to think a campaign ad or a debate gives any candidate enough time to fully layout what their agenda is, nor does the press use their columns to inform, rather than pronounce. He also ahs told us it will not be easy and we will have to make sacrifices- and oddly enough, the American public needed to hear that, and they wanted to hear someone say that because deep down we know we must. what do McCain and Palin do? wave the flag, beat the word "Americans" to death, tell us how great we are and meanwhile my beloved country is in a shambles.

McCain shws contempt; Obama tries to explain and inform- there is no pandering. In fact I would love for this country to bei na position where we could afford to be pandered to. But we know we are not.

To kert1:

What would you call Palin's redistribution of oil money to Alaskans, if not pure socialism? That is an overt re-distribution of wealth by a conservative Republican, while the rhetoric this week about Joe the Plumber would lead one to believe that this was a purely Democratic idea.

The traditional terms of discussion are not holding up well this election. :)

Thank you for pointing out McCain's duplicity in demanding repudiation from Obama, yet not only failing to repudiate the radical element of his own base, but expressing outrage that repeating what they said amounted to impugning them.

I was a young teenager during the Wallace years; I recall some of the impressions I felt then, and I consider the comparison of the angry tones of then and now warranted. I well accept that McCain is not racist, yet an assassination threat pales in comparison. When I heard some of the things said at recent McCain rallies, I felt a shock of emotional flashback to the inflammatory rhetoric and violent clashes of the 60s; I profoundly hope we never descend to that again.

Rabbi, I am totally with you on this. The truth is we probably have the worst presidential candidates ever to choose from. Neither one really stands for anything serious with conviction. We are in a heap of trouble because government has overspent for years and encouraged citizens to do the same. It has led to the economic colapse. So how do they want to fix this, by cutting everyone's taxes and delivering more services.

THIS IS THE REASON WE ARE IN THIS PROBLEM.

I want a candidate that is willing to tell us straight, what the problem is and the way. I want a candidate who stands for real capitalism and not this almost soicalism that we are applying. We should stand back and let the immoral, greedy entities fail and help the others (as little as possible) that are also suffering.

Stop pandering to us and tell us the truth. We have been hurt by a government who can't say No and stand up for what's right. I was hoping McCain might give us this but he is almost as bad as Obama.

I will probably have to vote for McCain because I can't trust Obama with the precidency. He's way too socialist and has too many influences that are completely non-American. I just hope that if McCain wins he will finally be honest and tell americans what they need to hear.

(1) The issue isn't Joe the Plumber's background. The issue is Obama's statement to Joe that Obama wanted to "spread the wealth around." How does discrediting or attacking Joe change the fact that Obama wants to "spread the wealth around"?

(2) NO ONE yelled "kill him!" That rumor has been debunked. It's just false.

Holy Mother of Punk... Guess what... This from Jay Leno, but...

His name's not Joe.

Any questions?

Oh, ain't this just rich: This just in from the local news... 'Joe The Plumber' isn't even a licensed plumber.

Meanwhile, back on Earth...

I mean, hey. Even if he *did* exist as presented, this hasn't stopped McCain from simply *ignoring* the fact that in his hypothetical future scheme, *he would not be fined a dime* under Obama's plan.

But McCain, twice corrected on the simple fact of the matter, has three times claimed that Obama would 'fine' Joe the Plumber if he just happened to innocently not provide health care to his employees....

Anyone hired a plumber lately?

"Joe Wurzelbacher, otherwise known as Joe the Plumber. "

The star of the show, Rabbi?

Publius Servillius...

Great story.

Only problem is, he's heir to a tycoon in the Keating 5 S&L scandal and bailout, not a registered voter, and otherwise not a hurtin' small business owner.

Sure about those equivalencies of 'pandering,' still?

Rabbi?