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Science has eradicated smallpox, can immunize against most previously deadly viruses, can kill most previously deadly bacteria.
Theology has done nothing but talk of pestilence as the wages of sin. Science can predict when a particular comet will reappear and, to the second, when the next eclipse will appear. Science has put men on the moon and hurtled reconnaissance rockets around Saturn and Jupiter. Science can tell you the age of a particular fossil and that the Turin Shroud is a medieval fake. Science knows the precise DNA instructions of several viruses and will, in the lifetime of many present readers, do the same for the human genome.
What has theology ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has theology ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? I have listened to theologians, read them, debated against them; I have never heard any of them say anything of the smallest use; anything that was not either platitudinously obvious or downright false. If all the achievements of scientists were wiped out tomorrow, there would be no doctors but witch doctors, no transport faster than horses, no computers, no printed books, no agriculture beyond subsistence peasant farming. If all the achievements of theologians were wiped out tomorrow, would anyone notice the smallest difference? The achievements of theologians don't do anything, don't effect anything, don't mean anything. What makes anyone think that "theology" is a subject at all?

"The Emptiness of Theology" by Richard Dawkins published in "Free Inquiry" Spring 1998.

As an atheist, I don't consider the Rabbi's creation reference as a sound argument for positioning greed as central to human achievement. But I do agree that greed is such a catalyst.

His definition: "greed is the desire for that which suits our needs but comes at a cost so high, whether to ourselves, others, or the world, that we fear we may be “overpaying”", is the best definition of greed that occurs in this collection of essays. JerseyRomer

What an obvious projection of human desires and fallibilities on the imagined "god" hypothesis. The mere fact of such a silly projection of human features proves that there cannot be such an entity as god.

Can't people think? Much of this nonsense boils down to simple semantic juggling. (God feeling lonely, for laughing out loud...)

What an obvious projection of human desires and fallibilities on the imagined "god" hypothesis. The mere fact of such a silly projection of human features proves that there cannot be such an entity as god.

Can't people think? Much of this nonsense boils down to simple semantic juggling. (God feeling lonely, for laughing out loud...)

an answer:

Perhaps we could hear from you something about the
greedy Wall Street types who've brought the Amerian economy to the ground.

Those who "sliced and diced" mortages into derivitives into slop and led to forcosure.

And perhaps we could hear from you something of the buyout kings...say Schwarzman, et. al.
They've become horridly, grotesquely rich.
Ruinous for the country. Care to commment?

Agreed. Agreed.

Agreed: And perhaps we could hear from Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, the Mulsim/Christian Oil Cartel

Agreed: Enron, the Christian Farm industry with its fake food shortages.

Agreed. Agreed

gPosted on May 28, 2008 10:05

an answer:

Perhaps we could hear from you something about the
greedy Wall Street types who've brought the Amerian economy to the ground.

Those who "sliced and diced" mortages into derivitives into slop and led to forcosure.

And perhaps we could hear from you something of the buyout kings...say Schwarzman, et. al.
They've become horridly, grotesquely rich.
Ruinous for the country. Care to commment?

Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

And perhaps we could hear from Exxon Mobile, British Petroleum, the Mulsim/Christian Oil Cartel, Enron, the Christian Farm industry with its fake food shortages.

Agreed.

An answer:

Perhaps we could hear from you something about the
greedy Wall Street types who've brought the Amerian economy to the ground.

Those who "sliced and diced" mortages into derivitives into slop and led to forcosure.

And perhaps we could hear from you something of the buyout kings...say Schwarzman, et. al.
They've become horridly, grotesquely rich.
Ruinous for the country. Care to commment?
................................................
Agreed. Bill Gates, the Enron folks, British Petroleum, Exxon Mobile, the Muslim/Christian Oil Cartel, the Christian internet monopoly.

Agreed. The Christian farm industry.

Agreed, Agreed, Agreed.

Perhaps we could hear.

"The very fact of creation proves that greed can be good."

Depends on what your definition of "creation" is, wouldn't you say? If you are using creation in the most-generic sense (ie: referring to existence as creation), then there can be no greed involved as there is no proof that any sentient being/entity was behind the cosmos coming into being.

"If God is infinite, all knowing, and all powerful, then why did S/He create a universe?"

That's a big IF! In fact, you could have stopped at, "If God is..." and left it at that. The opinion that "god is" is a whole-cloth opinion, unless one wishes to treat fables and myths as history.

The simplest answer to why an infinite, all knowing, all powerful god would need to create a universe is that he didn't. It's all a made-up story that makes no logical sense.

I need a mansion.
I need a Lamborghini Diablo.
I need my Beluga Caviar.
I need my Dom Perignon.
I need a five thousand dollar an hour girl.

And oh yeah, I need a tax cut.

To another man its just greed, but to me its real need.

Greed manifests from the ultimately illusory ego self which continually seeks to attach itself to “things” and “others”. Humans have suffered from both the internal and external consequences of egocentric thoughts and acts for millennia. If more people could realize the interdependent nature of all life and things in the universe (Thich Nhat Hanh calls it “interbeing”), and overcome the illusory independent self, then many of the world’s egocentric caused problems would cease.

Did the evolution of our species allow us to create vivid conceptual images of the past, present and future as a survival technique in a world with bigger, stronger competition? Is not the knowledge of good and evil a manner by which intelligent, self-aware beings conceptualize their apparent reality? Humans conceptualize their surroundings and phenomena in almost every moment of consciousness. Another necessary strategy for survival is the ability to distinguish one’s self from other selves. Other animals also seem to be able to distinguish their individual entities from other entities but to our knowledge, we may be the only animals to have evolved to the point of conceptual self reflection. (Genesis-they knew they were naked). But doesn’t our false, complex creation of an illusory “self” separate each “individual” from the true nature of the universe: Oneness!
If one looks deeply into their existence, one can determine that humans are not separate entities from the rest of the universe. In other words, we as physical beings are intimately connected to other “things” in the universe. We cannot survive without water, oxygen, vegetables, fruit, etc. and, therefore, we are a “part” of the “whole” Our ability to distinguish ourselves from other humans or animals or plants is an evolutionary strategy for self survival. But when you combine our intellectual abilities of conceptualization with our self awareness, we “create” a complex selfish greedy entity. Within our thoughts over our lifetimes, we create an entity of self that attempts to protect itself from others and attach itself to people and to things. In Christian terminology this selfishness is defined as sin. Selfish acts and thoughts always cause the selfish person to suffer. Also, since in true reality we are part of all things, when we are selfless in thoughts and acts, we are one with God. Is this not essentially what history’s great spiritual teachers were teaching?

This discussion intends to paint a portrait of basic human psychology in order that we may point our moral compasses towards a brighter future for humankind. Yes, I must seek out sustenance for my individual existence to maintain life and well being. But do I have to maintain a luxurious lifestyle while millions of fellow humans suffer from malnutrition and impoverished living conditions? Should we interact with each other globally by continuing to emphasize our differences and not our similarities? Should we continue to allow corporate greed to victimize poor people throughout the world?
One problem with our current inability to fully sustain an enlightened world is our selfish economic systems that encourage selfish motivations in our daily lives. With cooperative economic systems in place, we would not have to struggle for survival in a selfish manner.

It is difficult to recognize our egocentric nature whenever it arises but through mindful practice and enlightened education, we could be on the right path. To create an evolution of consciousness amongst our species, we must seek our Buddha nature, Christ consciousness that exists within us all but is hidden behind the greedy ego self. And finally to quote the great American Christian minister Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: “Every man must decide whether he will walk in the light of creative altruism or in the darkness of destructive selfishness.”

Perhaps we could hear from you something about the
greedy Wall Street types who've brought the Amerian economy to the ground.

Those who "sliced and diced" mortages into derivitives into slop and led to forcosure.

And perhaps we could hear from you something of the buyout kings...say Schwarzman, et. al.
They've become horridly, grotesquely rich.
Ruinous for the country. Care to commment?

I find this view right to the point. There is an acceptable greed and greed which costs somebody too much. The Hebrew prophets uniformly call for justice, mercy, care of the poor, proper treatment of the widow and orphan, etc. The prophets also rail against those who follow the pagan way, namely, that the harsh and slave-like labors of the lower 80% of the population supports the lavish life-style of the upper 20%. In such cases money comes to represent the excess profit from the burdonsome labor of the working class.

In the modern world the arrival of a "middle" class has worked to significantly ease this situation. Yet ominous pointers indicate the situaton may return to bite us.

Those who covet more and more money certainly don't "need" more, but money conveys power;and that may be what they really covet. That kind of power could come at a cost which wipes out the middle and results in a world of a few haves and many have-nots.