Murder is Murder and Abortion is Not

FETUSES AREN’T HUMAN?

After you’ve enlightening or corrected Dr. Lejeune, “The Father of Modern Genetics,” you might also inform the Embryologist, Microbiologists, and Doctors and Professors of Medicine below as well.

Dr. LANDRUM SHETTLES sometimes called the "FATHER OF IN VITRO FERTILIZATION":

"Conception confers life and makes that life one of a kind." And on the Supreme Court ruling Roe v. Wade_, "To deny a truth [about when life begins] should not be made a basis for legalizing abortion."

DR. HYMIE GORDON, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic: "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."

DR. MCCARTHY DE MERE, medical doctor and law professor, University of Tennessee:

"The exact moment of the beginning of personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception."

DR. ALFRED BONGIOVANNI, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine:

"I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty ... is not a human being."

DR. RICHARD V. JAYNES:
"To say that the beginning of human life cannot be determined scientifically is utterly ridiculous."

PROFESSOR EUGENE DIAMOND:
"...either the justices were fed backwoods biology or they were pretending ignorance about a scientific certainty."

Statement by PAUL E. ROCKWELL, M.D.:

"Eleven years ago while giving an anesthetic for a ruptured entopic pregnancy (at 8 weeks gestation), I was handed what I believe was the smallest living human ever seen. The embryonic sac was intact and transparent. Within the sac was a tiny human male swimming extremely vigorously in the amniotic fluid, while attached to the wall by the umbilical cord. This tiny human was perfectly developed, with long, tapering fingers, feet, and toes. It was almost transparent, as regards the skin, and the delicate arteries and veins were prominent to the ends of the fingers."

"The baby was extremely alive and swam about the sac approximately one time per second, with a natural swimmer's stroke…. When the sac was opened, the tiny human immediately lost his life and took on the appearance of what is accepted as the appearance of an embryo at

"Any country that accepts abortion, is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what it wants. It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.—Mother Theresa"

FETUSES AREN'T HUMAN BEINGS?

That's very interesting. Maybe you ought to tell that to one of the greatest Geneticists in the world.

“Dr. Jerome Lejeune, known as "The Father of Modern Genetics," also testified that human life begins at conception before the Louisiana Legislature's House Committee on the Administration of Criminal Justice on June 7, 1990.

Dr. Lejeune explained that within three to seven days after fertilization we can determine if the new human being is a boy or a girl. "At no time," Dr. Lejeune said, "is the human being a blob of protoplasm.

As far as your nature is concerned, I see no difference between the early person that you were at conception and the late person which you are now. You were, and are, a human being."

Dr. Lejeune also pointed out that each human being is unique -- different from the mother -- from the moment of conception.

He said, "Recent discoveries by Dr. Alec Jeffreys of England demonstrate that this information [on the DNA molecule] is stored by a system of bar codes not unlike those found on products at the supermarket...it's not any longer a theory that each of us is unique."

Dr. Jerome Lejeune died on April 3, 1994. Dr. Lejeune of Paris, France was a medical doctor, a Doctor of Science and a professor of Fundamental Genetics for over twenty years.

Dr. Lejeune discovered the genetic cause of Down Syndrome, receiving the Kennedy Prize for the discovery and, in addition, received the Memorial Allen Award Medal, the world's highest award for work in the field of Genetics.

He practiced his profession at the Hôpital des Enfants Malades (Sick Children's Hospital) in Paris.

Dr. Lejeune was a member of
The American Academy of the Arts and Science,
A member of the Royal Society of Medicine in London,
The Royal Society of Science in Stockholm,
The Science Academy in Italy
The Society of Science in Argentina,
The Pontifical Academy of Science and The Academy of Medicine in France.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
RABBI, ARTHUR WASKOW
MURDER IS MURDER AND ABORTION IS NOT”

IRT:
“All honor to Dr. George Tiller, who joins the list of martyrs for ethical decency and human rights, killed for healing with compassion. He is a religious martyr in the fullest classical sense, killed in his own church as he arrived to worship, killed for acting in accord with his religious commitments and his moral and ethical choices.”

ANS:
Does any man have the authority to determine when innocent people become a problem they may be executed? Isn’t that the providence of God and not man?

Hitler thought he was God. He defined Jewish people as vermin, and he had his doctors mass murder them and a few million along with them. Maybe Hitler was just doing the work of God, as Tiller and Tiller’s assassin were. Who can know the mind of God but the Rabbi? You know the old line, "Live by the sword and die by the sword." It's a penchant for the Culture of Death.

George Tiller, a butcherer masqueraded as a doctor and became a mass murderer who murdered over sixty six thousand unborn children. Was he just doing the work of God?

The Rabbi thinks so; Tiller was such an ethical man, right Rabbi? The Rabbi wants us to honor Tiller because he was ethically a decent murderer.

So must I assume one of the Corporal Works of Mercy is to murder your unborn, if they become an inconvenience for the mother or anyone else?

What are a few dead dissected babies now and then? We can sell them on the open market for $500/lb. Besides, we've only murdered over 50 million so far and we're murdering 43 million/year worldwide. Who will miss them?

God, according to the Rabbi, likes it that way, and besides, the murderers are ethical and honorable. God created man in his own image and likeness. Evidently, some of the images didn't turn out so good, so God gave the mothers the Tillers of the world to exterminate their unborn children.

Mother Theresa:
“Abortion has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts—a child—as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters"

QUOTE: "On this point, I wish he had been specific -- that the U.S. government should subsidize comprehensive sex education and the provision of free condoms, the Pill, and other contraceptives in all American high schools, and should require health insurance companies to cover the cost of birth control and abortion."
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Perhaps we can have the federal government legislate morality as well! Instead of preaching against sexual promiscuity, let us legislate that every child 13 years and older can go into any drug store and get a many free condoms or birth control pills as they have need of and the federal government will foot the bill.

Let us have the federal government fund abortion clinics in our schools from kindergarten through high school as well. They can use the aborted fetus's in their biology and zoology classes too! This will most assured further the growing attitude of conmpt for unborn babies within our society.

I am truly taken aback that a Jewish Rabbi would espouse such an ungodly and unscriptural view! Have you not read Exodus 21: 22-23? The Word of God clearly states that if a man (or woman) accidentally causes a woman who is pregnant injury to the point that she aborts the unborn baby she carries within her that he or she causing the injury (accidentally0 is to pay restitution to the father of the baby.

However, in verse 23, it declares that if "michief" is found, in other words, if the act of violence was intentional to cause the woman to abort, the offender is to pay life for life!

Rabbi, you are suppose to be a teacher of the Word of God, not a blind leader of the blind, sanctioning the doctrines of devils!

This purported Doctor, who was wrongly murdered in a church by an alleged religous fanatic, who acted outside the will of our holy God, was a man who shed the innocent blood of unborn and partially born babies for financial gain. He did not do this out of empathy for the mother, but to enrich himself. How dare you call him a martry!

I respectfully ask that you publish a retraction of your opinion and republish an opinion that is rooted in the Word of God, or denounce your office as a rabbi, for you certainly have no business representing yourself as a cleric of God if this is your honest position on this subject.

Stop pandering to the World View, and uphold the Word of the Living God, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

IN REPLY TO (IRT)
RABBI, ARTHUR WASKOW
MURDER IS MURDER AND ABORTION IS NOT”

IRT:
“So another physician has been murdered for making it possible for women to actually use their constitutional right to choose an abortion.”

ANS:
So the Supreme Court has more authority than God. They can rule whether you’re human or not a human, like Joseph Fletcher, the late Chairman of Ethics at the University of Virginia taught, and preached to the enclaves of the Culture of Death.

I am surprised that a Jewish Cleric would say such a preposterous thing after his people were the brunt of the Fascist leader Hitler, who thought the same thing. Have you already forgot the Holocaust, the slaughter of six million Jews and the deaths of some 60 million people who died because this fanatic thought he was God as has our Supreme Court.

My dear friend, Civil Law is submissive to the Natural Moral Law that gives every man his inalienable rights, which the Founding Fathers recognized and wrote into the Bill of Rights based on our Judeo-Christian heritage.

In “Roe v. Wade,” the Court violated the Constitution; it violated the Fourth Amendment that every person has a right to be secure in one’s own person. The Court violated the Fifth Amend that states, “No person shall be… deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

In “Roe,” the Court by fiat, violated the 14th Amendment “the due process clause.” In addition, the Court undermined the basis for our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, which stated, “All men are created equal, and endowed by God with certain inalienable rights.” “Inalienable” means they are inviolable and cannot be morally violated because God imbedded them in human nature.

To circumvent the Bill of Rights, the Court redefined “person.” They created a monstrosity in their Trimester theory, a partial human being, part human, part thing. In the end a woman, according to the Court, is never with Child. What profound priggery.

The Court had no more ligitimate authority to redefine “person” as they do to define or proscribe the “Law of Gravity.”

Tiller was no hero; he was a murderer murdered by a murderer. It is written, “He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.” Tiller, if anything, was the moral equivalent of an execrable flagitious misogynist.

u36236's arguments are shallow and superficial. Of course, being so shallow, he has no oway of knowing or rralizing his shallowness.

It is an insult to compare the Jewish Holocaust or black slavery to abortion. But of course, he does not realize how insulting he is being.

"Pro-life" is merely a bad faith attempt to win credit with Jesus and God, on "what a good and sensitive person I am" wihtout really being obligated to doing anything at all to contribute to the benefit and welfare of humankind. It is a loop hole to be a "good Christian" without any attemptor effort at all in living a Christian life.

I am finally disugsted with this attitude. The "pro-life" arguments are hollow, ignorant, ultimately selfish, hypocritical, and always veiled in threats.

'I recognize that some other religious traditions do claim it is murder, but I both disagree with their theology and think they have no right to impose it on mine, by state power or by murder' - Arthur Waskow

Thank you, Rabbi, for this sentence especially, in an excellent article.

The religious blogs of WaPo are 'all over the map' concerning the news of the murder of Dr. Tiller by Scott Roeder. Your comments by contrast dealt with the 'crux'
the bottom line of the debate, which has already been settled in law.

It's unAmerican for the supposedly pro-life crowd to try to impose their religious views on others religious beliefs or to claim absolute authority that only their beliefs should be treated as valid.

In my opinion, the pro-lifers are walking down a slippery slope.

While u36236's comment above is fairly coherent for someone who sees things in a black and white format - it is still extremely simplistic and, of course, wrong.

Th general viewpoint of all pro-choice (not pro-abortion) people I know is that they should be few and sex-education and the availability of contraceptives emphasized. This is almost universally condemned by the anti-abortion groups. To me this is nonsensical and highly immoral but it fits the black and white mentality.

Abortion is never considered good or desired BUT sometimes the grater good calls for it as with Rabbi Waskow's teacher's mother. One baby unfortunately aborted OR a whole family dead. What choice would you make ?

Excellent points. Real world experience always tests the validity of theoretical postulates.

U36236 makes the mistake that all religious extremists make, that of absolutism to the point of absurdity. Taking a life is a bad thing and yet it is done all the time with war, capital punishment. "Innocent" life? In war, often. With capital punishment? Depends on the legal system but most of the "civilized" world has outlawed it because too many innocent people are killed.

The comparison with the Nazi's "legal" right to kill Jews to a mother's legal right to save herself (or even her whole family) is false.

Fora human to claim to know, absolutely, what God wants is the mark of insanity. To impose that supposed absolutism on others is Religious Fanaticism and must be condemned.

Reading through the comments on this website is a real eye-opener. There are more christianist terrorists at large in the U.S. than I would have imagined. I can only hope that Homeland Security is tracking the IP addresses of these anti-American terrorists and rounding them up before they kill again. Decent people should not have to live in fear of being shot or blown up at church or at the doctor's office. This has to stop, fortunately we have the anti-terror laws on the books to do so.

Thank you for articulating policy options with respect to contraception and education by government and religious institutions. Excellent points.

I was astonished to read Rabbi Waskow’s opinion about abortion. I would have thought that someone of his obvious religious education would not have fallen prey to the oldest form of self deception known to man. It is our innate ability to justify an obviously wrong practice or act when the situation seems to call for it. It is the nature of sin. Such thinking often morphs into a mob mentality that insists the end justifies the means. It is insidious in its efficiency and forces participants to harden their resolve with each challenge. The reality, Rabbi Waskow, is that abortion is a monstrous evil. The taking of an innocent life. Ask yourself how the murder of thousands of innocent Jews was ok in the minds of otherwise good and law abiding Germans. How did this country, formed on the foundation of freedom for all, decide that it was ok to kidnap and enslave a race of people? How? Well, first you must determine that the intended victim is not fully human. To their captures, Jews weren’t fully human, blacks weren’t fully human, and now a gestating baby, who incidentally is only called a fetus by women who don’t want them, are not human at all. In fact, they’re not even considered alive. Therefore, it’s ok to terminate them like animal shelters do unwanted puppies. Legally, women have the right to choose to end a life just as Germans had the right to experiment on and torture innocent Jews, and slave owners could choose to do whatever they wanted to their not fully human slaves.
It was immoral and unethical then and it is now. There was no excuse then, and there is no excuse now. And you, a teacher of the word of a holy God, should know better.

I couldn't agree with the Rabbi more. Ameria is a paradox ... where Playboy, breast implants and pornography are celebrated but where sex education, contraception and sexual rights for women are actively suppressed. Furthermore, anti-abortionists discuss abortion as if the fetus did not exist inside the body of a living woman... it is the woman's body which sustains the life of a fetus. The woman has full moral, physical and emotional strength to make a decision to continue that life or not. Ask a woman who had an abortion if she ever regretted it ... or just regretted the judgment, guilt and complete invasion of her privacy as a human being. Pregnancy is a private matter, but sex education and sexual health should be national health policies.