Holocaust Denial Is Not Just a Quirk To Be Ignored

Do you guys know what is pretty ironic? Israeli attacks on Palestinians are antisemetic.

aussiebarry:

Farnaz,
Your way has been tried since the Bar Kochba revolt. It hasn't worked.
Farnaz it did work , you are here you survived, Bar kochba,s way had over half a million jews slaughtered and the rest scattered. They had to learn to use their brains to survive , 2000 years of learning and keeping 2 steps ahead of their persecutors is the reason jews punch way above their weight in almost every human endeavor
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AussieBarry,

The harrowing sturggle for physical and spiritual survival must be the goal neither of Jews, nor of any other people. You're probably a good person, but Tikkun Olam requires more than that. If your grandchildren, my daughter, everybody's children, grandchildren are to inherit a less racist world, you and others will have to do more than be "good."

You will need courage, grit, I'm afraid, will need to work for what you profess to value, and not only on blogs.

Fighting against racism requires time and effort, working with well-intentioned others on a variety of fronts. That is what it needs, and what some of us are giving it.

Farnaz

Farnaz,
Your way has been tried since the Bar Kochba revolt. It hasn't worked.
Farnaz it did work , you are here you survived, Bar kochba,s way had over half a million jews slaughtered and the rest scattered. They had to learn to use their brains to survive , 2000 years of learning and keeping 2 steps ahead of their persecutors is the reason jews punch way above their weight in almost every human endeavor

Farnaz:

"My reverence is for life."

Amen. But you cannot do it all on this one evening. Be at peace for now. You have done what you can with this day.

Pseudo,

My reverence is for life.

Pax Vobiscum

I guess it would be naive to hope
That we did not slide that slippery slope

Where if one wins another must loose
Where who will live some man does choose

There's pain aplenty in this wide world
And blame aplenty in maelstrom swirls

The innocents grope to understand
Who cannot abide hate's great demands

How some have lost their frame of reference
And maybe too their frame of reverence

I pray that they will know true peace
Even those who've seen the Beast

Barry,

Your way is one of those on my list. I wonder how much you actually know of antisemitism in the present. What you see on this blog is not all that unusual. But there is more. There is violence. Your way has been tried since the Bar Kochba revolt. It hasn't worked. My daughter, now nine, will never again have the problem she had. Without going into detail, believe me she won't. We've seen evidence of it.

In the meantime she's a brilliant student, gifted musician, writer, mathematician. She knows exactly who she is, and she has our good looks to boot. :]

My aggressive strategy is one of many. But you see, Barry, I'm not afraid. When you've phyiscially seen what I've seen, you're not afraid for yourself. Not at all. Racism does no good for anyone. Not for the racist, not for the target.

I don't want my child or your grandchildren dealing with what I've dealt with as a child and as an adult. My girl won't. They know the price now.

Btw., Barry, she's now "president" of her class.

what is my way?I try never to let a racist comment go unchallenged, I never laugh at a racist joke and give my reasons. I bring up my children free of racism and intolerance, they bring up my grandchildren free of racism and intolerance, but I try to always attack the comments and not the commenter.

completely reasonless hatred i saw that racism is primal and that it needs to be fought with every fibre, but not by attacking others by using their race , country or religion
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And what is your way, Barry? When antisemites attack an Elie Wiesel, of which there is only one, what is your way? When they say it to your face, what is your way?

Farnaz, Many many years ago when I first came to Australia I was befriended at work by a Yugoslavian ( I do not know his ethnicity most people did not know where Serbia, Bosnia etc. were then).One day during a conversation I happened to mention my jewish heritage. In that split second I went from being a friend to a detested lowlife and should have been burned in the ovens with all the rest. looking into this abyss of completely reasonless hatred i saw that racism is primal and that it needs to be fought with every fibre, but not by attacking others by using their race , country or religion

AussieBarry,

AussieBarry, please read the threads on which you post. My posts are responses to what I read. Imagine how wearing it is for me to read endless antisemitic attacks, screeds against "the Jews." It took me six posts to put up a skeletal timeline of historic antisemitism from the beginning through 2005 on David Waters' thread (http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/02/vatican_tells_holocaust_denier.html

If I'd wanted to be more thorough, I'd have had to put up twice that number.

You are not the first Christian on this blog to blame the victim, not necessarily me! That is all the rage here in one way or another. I think of one blogger, in particular. He is basically a very good man, will read antisemitic screed after screed and somehow not register it until it gets to say, the level, of Whistling. After awhile, my patience wears thin and I respond in kind.

Countless Jews, like me, have done what I have done in the past to avoid offending nonracist Christians. They permit racist Christians to refer to them as "the Jews" in despicable ways while the nonracist Christians say nothing. I've been among that group. The Jews try to explain gently. I've been among that group. The Jews try to educate. I've been among that group. The Jews fight back, and stop worrying about what nonracist Christians will think. I'm in that group. That group isn't stopping the nonracist Christians from fighting the good fight, eh?

Aren't "the Christian" racists more a Christian problem than a Jewish one? Why does it wait for us, AussieBarry? Who is stopping you from taking these bloggers on? Racism says nothing about the target, everything about the victim.

It's been wearing--these two thousand years--AussieBarry, quite wearing. When our family friend was murdered in front of me, his blood splashing on my Jewish clothes, it was wearing. When Catholic girl thugs knocked my then seven-year-old daughter's teeth out, it was wearing.

Farnaz, please read your own posts, christians genociding, etc. I dop not attack you as you are probably a very decent person, but your derogatory, often racist, attacks on people who disagree with you can be wearing.

AussieBarry,

"Farnaz may think that percecution is in the genes of certain religions or races, but it is in us all and we succumb to it at our peril."

That is a wretched thing to say. What do you mean "I may think"?

The Holocaust was the last event in a chain that started by one group of people being thought of as different to the rest, with each new link persicution got worse, it crept up on people as each new act of intolerance was not much worse than the previous link. To people who say that so and so act of discrimination or abuse is not as bad as the Holocaust are correct, but the Holocaust shows us where these acts can lead. Remember it is Humanities indifference to Humanity. We all have the atavistic fear of strangers in our DNA, which may have been useful to the early survival of our species. Farnaz may think that percecution is in the genes of certain religions or races, but it is in us all and we succumb to it at our peril.

And yes, I know, it's Palestine - they're being sacrificed for the sake of jihad in the same way suicide bombers are expendible for the 'greater good'. The Jews are not guilty of this particular global insanity, in case that fact slipped under the radar.

Farnaz - of course you are right as regards the Saudis. The bifurcated insanity of Islam can be found exactly there.....very powerful, very rich, and about as crazy as religion gets....reminds me of Inquisitional Catholics.

But once they got the sand out of their diet (and the grit out of their craw) they settled into the Rule of Benedict.....too bad the beloved Pope of present day doesn't abide by the rules set by his more saintly predecessor.

Your posts are full of passion - almost dead now in the USA. You're a jewel...maybe a saphire but perhaps an emerald.

E. Wiesal and Rabbi Steinsaltz are diamonds.......

R. Steinsaltz,

You are now, and you have always been a very, very good man. When I think of how many of us said Never Again in Congo, again in Biafra, again in Uganda, again in Cambodia, again in Rwanda, again in Yougoslavia, again in Somalia, again in Sudan, etc., it breaks my heart.

I think of people like you and Elie Wiesel who went to Kosovo when it was under siege, who spoke out endlessly against these genocides, wrote, petitioned testified. I read the racists on his thread and yours, and I wonder how Again will ever end.

Again

Three months ago I was in Afghanistan. In Kabul, everything is fine. Outside of Kabul it's unimaginable. I parked my car, got out, and stepped on a human hand. It is a field of limbs, Rabbi.

Again.

Persiflage,

"if the Arab world (think Saudi Arabia) made of point of taking a real interest in the material welfare of Palistinians, their poverty would cease in micro-seconds."

The situation is much worse than you may know. The Saudis are great importers of foreign labor, Palestinian, Indian, Pakistani, African. One can virtually never become a Saudi citizen. A few who have lived there in excess of forty years have slipped through.

The contempt with which the Saudis treat these foreign workers is notorious throughout the Middle East. They particularly despise Palestinians, as any Palestinian will tell you. Although Palestinians continue to be treated as second-or-third-class citizens in Egypt, in Jordan which slaughtered 100,000 Palestinians (the number is continually being scaled back), there is not comparison between these nations and Saudi Arabia.

The irony is that the Saudis, in an unsuccessful effort to rid their country of terrorism have become its biggest exporters.

For all of you posters with short attention spans and a paucity of imagination - the Holocaust is the primal modern archetype par excellence of man's inhumanity to man....and nothing less.

Those that would diminish this boundless atrocity by a weak-kneed equivicating on the presently insoluble miseries in the Mideast are ignoring long-established historical facts, and are thereby ignoring their own humanitarian responsibility.

Who indeed is responsible for the Palistinian suffering? As has been pointed out countless times, if the Arab world (think Saudi Arabia) made of point of taking a real interest in the material welfare of Palistinians, their poverty would cease in micro-seconds.

Muslims and Muslim/Christian apologists need to take a very close look at the long-range goals of the conservative/fundamentalist Muslim world - while the misery of the Palistinians can't be ignored, neither can the plans of the Muslim Dominionists. Palistine is a mere pawn in that game.

The Holocaust is really the emblematic tip of a colossal (anti-Jewish) iceberg which Rabbi Steinsaltz is infinitely more aware of than a good many brain-addled posters here.

Francinelast,

When you refer to the Holocaust as "something that happened almost 70 years ago," you dismiss the gravity of an orchestrated attempt to eradicate an entire people.

Seventy years from now, I hope we haven't stopped talking about similar attempts in Rwanda, Darfur, Cambodia, Central Europe -- all the places where one ethnicity has tried to eliminate another ethnicity from earthly existence. Or times in history when one religion tried to wipe out another. Or other times in history when one race enslaved another. We haven't stopped talking about the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition or the African slave trade because they were atrocities of unmatched degree committed by humans against humans, and as such, they demonstrate the depths of evil to which we can sink.

The Holocaust is another such horrific atrocity, and people should still be talking about it 500 years from now. Some lessons have to be taught over and over again because we forget how beastly humans can be to one another. Even after they've been analyzed, as you say "ad nauseum," these events still have lessons to teach because new humans keep coming along who weren't around for the last cycle of "man's inhumanity to man."

So, no, I can't agree with you or your daughter that "although it can be argued that we need to remember the Holocaust as a lesson from history,...we haven’t." I don't believe that we've taken nothing from the ashes of Europe. You have only to look at the strict law Germany has enacted making Holocaust denial a crime, or the hate speech legislation that exists in many Western countries, or even just the huge outcry from around the world in response to the Pope's action to realize that at least some lessons from the Holocaust have been retained.

Yes, dictators will continue to abuse and murder their citizens; more powerful countries will try to oppress less powerful ones; weaker countries will continue to be invaded for their natural resources. But the world now recognizes ethnic cleansing for what it is. If the more powerful countries could join together to prevent this from happening in weaker, poorer countries, ethnic cleansing would cease to be a viable tool for racist dictatorial regimes.

Whether the powerful countries of the world can do this is a completely different subject. But the Holocaust stands as the modern measure of our capacity for atrocity, and that reminder needs to remain as part of our conscious, living history.

Kjohnson3:

That was quite a slanderous post. I responded to you in good faith after you'd told me I was incorrect. It was not only I btw., who apparently "misunderstood" you, since you also took it upon yourself to correct him. Now let us see whom you are warning.

Could it be that he and I were correct all along?
Attempting to ostracize Jews is very old Kjohnshon3, and here one Christian and one Jew took you at your insincere word.

GOOD GRIEF! WHO IS THIS GUY?

And does anyone, any where, wonder why anti semitism, a darker kind recently,

is growing exponentially all over the world? And certainly in America? Did he one see the BBC survey?

And how does threatening American citizens, among others, help his case and make the most hated people in the world more beloved, or at least safer???

Not long ago, my daughter suggested that the world stops talking ad nauseum about the Holocaust even though it is true. She points out that for her generation, there are many current atrocities going on in the world (Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza, Darfur, Congo, Burma and Columbia). Although it can be argued that we need to remember the Holocaust as a lesson from history, she correctly points out that we haven’t. All we’ve learned is that those with the biggest guns and the best propaganda machinery can get away with atrocities (well, at least for the moment).

Israel and its supporters like to keep the horrors of the Holocaust alive in our memories. They react with self-righteous indignation every time some idiot somewhere suggests that the Holocaust never happened. Why does it matter what one single man in the Catholic Church thinks? What threat is he to the most powerful nation on earth and the most powerful (illegally so) nation in the Middle East? They are a minority and have very little impact on America’s foreign policies. Much more ominous, is Israel’s (and its supporters) use of the Holocaust to perpetuate a sense of Jewish victimhood, when the reality is the absolute reverse. Jews are now extremely powerful, wealthy and have enormous political influence on world events. Jews must never be persecuted again, but no one should be persecuted for their beliefs, whether Muslim, Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu or Atheist, and not by anyone, no matter what their people suffered in the past.

Nowadays, the west (especially America) seems to be complicit in a game of denial. Somehow because of something that happened almost 70 years ago, the world must pretend that Israel (although illegally armed to the teeth and backed by the most sophisticated and deadly weaponry in the history of mankind) is still facing a Holocaust. Even a six year old can tell you that that is nonsense.

"Those who deny the Holocaust should be hunted and persecuted." W O W ! Wasn't this is the kind of language used by Nazi Goebbels ?? Doesn't this guy make the "Holocaust" sounds like "HOLLOWCAUST" ?

I would like to urge all participants on this board to refrain from engaging in any back-and-forth with Farnaz2. There are good reasons for this request.

Many of you may have noticed that she dominates the board by taking it upon herself to respond to every post that she deems "racist." As she noted at 2:17 a.m. this morning, "I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the racists who've been posting tonight." It seems that she is in the grips of a delusion that she must single-handedly vanquish all enemies, real or imagined.

And most of them are products of her imagination.

The exchange she had with rubytues6 early this morning is an example. First, she excoriates ruby, who had just posted a calm and balanced opinion, and calls her "an accident of evolution" who "crawled out of the swamp with a handful of others." And she goes on with more of the same.

Then, in her very next post, she says, "Sorry, I misread your post. Frankly, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the racists who've been posting tonight and getting down to the swamps in which they dwell so as to communicate...MY apologies. While I disagree with your historical analysis, your post was quite sensible."

So, at 2:13 a.m. today, she went after rubytues6 in a vitreolic blast; at 2:17 a.m. today, she said oops, I was wrong about that, sorry.

As Rose Roseannadanna would have said, "Never mind."

I recognized this pattern of accusation and response, because Farnaz2 attacked me in the same way yesterday. She claimed I was a "well-known racist" after misreading something I had posted, then came back and said, essentially, oops, I misspoke, I don't know anything about you but called you a well-known racist anyway, please forgive.

I've been watching her pattern of responses, and, literally, of the first 50 posts on this column today, 13 were hers. Clearly, she's using this forum to engage people in cyber-fistfights, and I don't think that's what it's intended for.

That's why I'm suggesting a moratorium on responding to anything -- ANYTHING -- Farnaz2 posts. She will say anything in order to stir up a battle, and if we allow ourselves to be pulled in, she wins.

Please, please, BOYCOTT FERNAZ2.

Mr. Rabbi
You say the holocoast deniers should be hunted and prosecuted. Sure some of them are innocent because they did not see the evidence. Show them the evidence and if they still deny after a convincing evidence they will hurt themselves. To prosecute someone because of his beliefs is the inquisition of the middle ages where also many Jews were hunted to death. You are a man of religion and you should be human.

Somali, Somali, Somali,

It is obvious you need to take the Five Steps to Deprogram/"Deflaw" Islam.

Are you ready?

Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith", a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

"1. Belief in Allah"

"aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc." should be added to your cleansing neurons.

"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gib Gnab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "creationist".

"3. To believe in the existence of angels."

A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels/"pwtfft"s to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the uneducated masses in line. Today we call them fortune tellers.

Prophecies are also invalidated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

Mohammed spent thirty days fasting in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic violence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallucinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

Accept these five "cleansers" and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

"Sorry but the christians who are genociding Iraq and Afghanistan aren't superior to the people they're genociding."

First time I've ever seen anyone try to make the term "genocide" into a verb. What an incredibly idiotic statement.*

*Note that I'm critiquing the grammar, not the argument. I can guarantee that, if I hadn't put in this disclaimer, the writer of the statement would be calling me a racist. (She may do so, anyway.)

Why is it that the intelligent posts, such as those from THEMODERATE, CARWASH1, and BADDABING1 never seem to get any attention from the other posters around here?

Anyway, I just thought I'd say that I'm glad those intelligent, thoughtful posters are out there. Makes WaPo worth reading...

Thx,
Craig

Great post Ryhmer!

Rabbi, I don't like what you are saying because why should someone be "hunted and persecuted" for denying an event happened. Your statement is immoral and does little to further a minority's cause. I agree with many posters that to deny that the holocaust of the Jews of the 1930's and 40's happened given all the evidence is stupid and ignorant, however it doesn't warrant hunting and persecution. What are going to do next, "hunt and persecute" people because they think the Dodo bird never existed, the American Revolution of 1776 never happened, or humans never reached the moon? Get a grip!

Another thing. Denying an event happened is not a racist act. It is just denying an event happened, please see my additional examples in the previous paragraph and try to deduce racism. I do admit that it is probable that the person denying the holocaust might have a racist mindset, but the denial provides no concrete evidence of the mindset. I could say, "bird hunting never happens." Does that make me anti-bird? No, not necessarily. Does it mean I'm ignorant or in denial of hunting practices of some countries? Yes!

The stupid slave-like white man and his disgusting, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murcering, women-killing master, the dumb and dumber jew, have been preaching to us Muslims that "extremism is bad, you must combat extremism". And they have labelled "terrorist" those Muslims who stand up for their beliefs and countries and religion!!

Meanwhile in the disgusting cesspool called "israeli government" , murderers, terrorists, baby-killers, women killers, land thiefs etc proliferate!!!!! The cowardly baby-murderers who call themselves "israeli government" are the MOST Extreme Ciminals and terrorists in the world today And no white man preaches to these baby killers that they are extremists and terrorists!!!!

And what do we have here? A nazi-like extremist jew, a disgusting creature, threatening humanity that those who simply QUESTION the jew's dumb story about his disgusting, utterly cowardly and unmanly VICTIMHOOD, that these questioners should be "HUNTED DOWN and PERSECUTED"!!!!

Can you believe this sh^^it?????

Meanwhile, the utterly cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering stinking jew has been, bombing and shooting down in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms. All the while this murderous, unmanly coward has been bemoaning his eternal victimhood just as he murders in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms!!!!!

You have NOTHING to say to anyone, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering jew. If you had any humanity, humility or shame and if you were a REAL man, stupid dumb jew, you would NOT be KILLING little babies in the arms of their terrified mothers!!

Go hide in a hole!!!!

The stupid slave-like white man and his disgusting, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murcering, women-killing master, the dumb and dumber jew, have been preaching to us Muslims that "extremism is bad, you must combat extremism". And they have labelled "terrorist" those Muslims who stand up for their beliefs and countries and religion!!

Meanwhile in the disgusting cesspool called "israeli government" , murderers, terrorists, baby-killers, women killers, land thiefs etc proliferate!!!!! The cowardly baby-murderers who call themselves "israeli government" are the MOST Extreme Ciminals and terrorists in the world today And no white man preaches to these baby killers that they are extremists and terrorists!!!!

And what do we have here? A nazi-like extremist jew, a disgusting creature, threatening humanity that those who simply QUESTION the jew's dumb story about his disgusting, utterly cowardly and unmanly VICTIMHOOD, that these questioners should be "HUNTED DOWN and PERSECUTED"!!!!

Can you believe this sh^^it?????

Meanwhile, the utterly cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering stinking jew has been, bombing and shooting down in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms. All the while this murderous, unmanly coward has been bemoaning his eternal victimhood just as he murders in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms!!!!!

You have NOTHING to say to anyone, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering jew. If you had any humanity, humility or shame and if you were a REAL man, stupid dumb jew, you would NOT be KILLING little babies in the arms of their terrified mothers!!

Go hide in a hole!!!!

The stupid slave-like white man and his disgusting, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murcering, women-killing master, the dumb and dumber jew, have been preaching to us Muslims that "extremism is bad, you must combat extremism". And they have labelled "terrorist" those Muslims who stand up for their beliefs and countries and religion!!

Meanwhile in the disgusting cesspool called "israeli government" , murderers, terrorists, baby-killers, women killers, land thiefs etc proliferate!!!!! The cowardly baby-murderers who call themselves "israeli government" are the MOST Extreme Ciminals and terrorists in the world today And no white man preaches to these baby killers that they are extremists and terrorists!!!!

And what do we have here? A nazi-like extremist jew, a disgusting creature, threatening humanity that those who simply QUESTION the jew's dumb story about his disgusting, utterly cowardly and unmanly VICTIMHOOD, that these questioners should be "HUNTED DOWN and PERSECUTED"!!!!

Can you believe this sh^^it?????

Meanwhile, the utterly cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering stinking jew has been, bombing and shooting down in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms. All the while this murderous, unmanly coward has been bemoaning his eternal victimhood just as he murders in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms!!!!!

You have NOTHING to say to anyone, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering jew. If you had any humanity, humility or shame and if you were a REAL man, stupid dumb jew, you would NOT be KILLING little babies in the arms of their terrified mothers!!

Go hide in a hole!!!!

The stupid slave-like white man and his disgusting, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murcering, women-killing master, the dumb and dumber jew, have been preaching to us Muslims that "extremism is bad, you must combat extremism". And they have labelled "terrorist" those Muslims who stand up for their beliefs and countries and religion!!

Meanwhile in the disgusting cesspool called "israeli government" , murderers, terrorists, baby-killers, women killers, land thiefs etc proliferate!!!!! The cowardly baby-murderers who call themselves "israeli government" are the MOST Extreme Ciminals and terrorists in the world today And no white man preaches to these baby killers that they are extremists and terrorists!!!!

And what do we have here? A nazi-like extremist jew, a disgusting creature, threatening humanity that those who simply QUESTION the jew's dumb story about his disgusting, utterly cowardly and unmanly VICTIMHOOD, that these questioners should be "HUNTED DOWN and PERSECUTED"!!!!

Can you believe this sh^^it?????

Meanwhile, the utterly cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering stinking jew has been, bombing and shooting down in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms. All the while this murderous, unmanly coward has been bemoaning his eternal victimhood just as he murders in COLD BLOOD Palestinian babies in their mothers arms!!!!!

You have NOTHING to say to anyone, cowardly, unmanly, baby-murdering, women-murdering jew. If you had any humanity, humility or shame and if you were a REAL man, stupid dumb jew, you would NOT be KILLING little babies in the arms of their terrified mothers!!

Go hide in a hole!!!!

The palestinians have been paying the price of the hollocaust for over 60 years. Apartheid israel has ethnically cleansed palestinians, israel wiped off so many palestinian towns off the FACE OF THE MAP, israel created 6 million palestinain refugees.In west bank aprtheid is very clear, jewish settlers use different roads than palestinians, jewish settlers get more water than palestinains, jewish settlers can kill palestinian civilians for sport, jews demolish palestinian homes and expropriate their property to build jewish only settlments. The palestinians have been going through a COLD HOLLOCAUST for over 60 years. Shame on the supporters of APARTHEID ISRAEL.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4752349n

It is difficult to must sufficient outage over holocaust when its victims act more like holocaust perpetrators.

Garak Author Profile Page:

Farnaz2: Muslim states have recognized the Armenian Holocaust. Iran is one. Israel, the "light unto nations," has not. Its President denies the Armenian Holocaust. Shimon Peres said "What happened to the Armenians was a tragedy, not a genocide." The ADL admitted the Armenian Holocaust only after severe public pressure, including from American Jews. The ADL, however, still lobbies against the US recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

I would ask the good Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, how should we handle Holocaust-denier Shimon Peres? And the ADL? Did the good rabbi ask his representatives in Congress to pass the official recognition of the Armenian Holocaust? If not, why not?
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Muslim Garak,

First, Turkey has never recognized the Armenian genocide. Second, neither has Iran, a Holocaust denier, and most other Muslim nations. Most important, the Genociding Turks have not.

The first person to bring the Armenian Genocide to world attention was a Jew, and subsequently Jews have written volumes on it. HOW MANY MOSLIMS HAVE WRITTEN TRUTHFULLY ON THE HOLOCUAST?
ON THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE?

WHAT IS THE ATTITUDE OF THE ARMENIANS TOWARD THE HOLOCAUST? IS THERE ANY ANTISEMITISM IN ARMENIA?
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As was explained and as is accessible on the web--I'll paste it later if you can't find it--ADL was afraid for the safety of Turkey's minute Jewish population. WHO WAS GOING TO PROTECT TURKISH JEWS, GARAK? YOU?

Ultimately, however, within ADL, and elsewhere, Jews raised an uproar, and the matter was settled. The Armenian genocide was declared genocide by ADL.

OH, AND GARAK, WHAT WAS IT YOUR GOOD BUDDY ADOLF HITLER SAID, "Who remembers the Armenians?"

WE do. I do. And I remember the Jews, the Kurds, the Cyriots.

The author states that people with certain belief should be "hunted and persecuted." Does anyone else think that is vaguely familiar to the Nazis?

Anyways, where is the outrage for the people like Adin Steinsaltz who try to use the Holocaust for their own political gain? I don't see the Russians looking for special treatment even though the number of Russians killed in WWII dwarfs the number of Jews killed.

What's the problem? Israel, the US, the Jewish establishment have all reprieved another UNREPENTENT Holocaust-denier and anti-semite, Abbas.
We don't like it when others hold Israel to a double standard; why are we holding the Catholics to a higher standard than Muslims? {Or you might ask, why are we holding the latter to a lower std than the former???}

To Sami Jadallah:

You could do yourself a world of favor by sitting down and collecting your frothing thoughts before putting them down on paper. Make up your mind: Was the holocaust a “matter of fact and a morally reprehensible crime” or “something everyone should have the right to deny”?

To say “In the US and around the world every one has the right to deny the existence of God, but no one has the right to deny or even question the Holocaust” is baloney, of course. In the U.S. it’s not against the law to deny the holocaust, which means everyone has the right to do that. Of course, everyone also has the right to deny that WW2 took place, or that any Arabs have lived in Israel prior to 1948. Everyone also has the right to claim that the moon is made entirely of blue cheese. Yet for some reason no one is making any of those claims. Why? Because most people want to be a part of normal society, not certified residents of the funhouse. That is also the reason candidates for political office do not say things that would make them a laughingstock (except for Dennis Kucinich, of course). What part of that is difficult for you to understand?

As to your statement that the issue of the holocaust “is used by the Zionist Jews to stifle any debate on issues of Jewish crimes committed in Palestine and Gaza”, I will go along with that allegation if you can show a single example to support it. Go ahead.

And regarding your closing statement “It is time for the world Jewish community to admit it is supporting and funding Jewish War Crimes in Palestine”: There is no reason for the world Jewish community to admit something that it is not doing. What it is doing (or at least what part of it is doing), is supporting Israel’s struggle to survive and defend itself against the non-stop aggression of Arabs and other Muslims. That is nothing to be ashamed of and everything to proud of.

Does anybody but me find it interesting that we're hearing so much about Holocaust denial now that the Greatest Generation - the men who liberated the death camps and saw their horrors with their own eyes - are passing from the scene? To my mind anyone who denies the gas chambers calls into question the integrity of the men who put their lives on the line to end Hitler's atrocities.

That being said, genocide is genocide. If "never again" is to have any moral meaning, it must mean never again to ANYONE - not just never again to Jews, or to Western Europeans, or to whites. It must mean never again in Rwanda, never again in Sudan, never again in Kosovo, never again in Cambodia, never again in Armenia. It must mean never again in Gaza.

To that end, religion and ethnicity must be divorced from geography everywhere in the world. A person's religious or ethnic background should not, in and of itself, confer special privileges or subject that person to any kind of disibility like having to live in certain districts or carry a special kind of identification. That's the beginning of the slippery slope that leads to ethnic cleansing.

ALL states exist to protect the security of ALL persons within their borders - not just the favored religious or ethnic group. ANY state that violates that principle is on the wrong side of the line that divides Civilization from Terror.

"Therefore, it is right that those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but rather hunted and persecuted."

Sorry to see you write this, Rabbi Steinsaltz, because it's the same shameful attitude guiding Israel's fierce persecution of Palestinians.

You're just as bad as the Holocaust deniers.

Permit me to remind you of a poem by one of the best known Jewish poets of the 20th century, Erich Fried (1921-1988), whose father died at the hands of the Nazis.
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A Jew to Zionist Fighters.

What do you actually want?
Do you really want to outdo
those who trod you down
a generation ago
into your own blood
and into your own excrement

Do you want to pass on the old torture
to others now
in all its bloody and dirty detail
with all the brutal delight of torturers
as suffered by your fathers?

Do you really want to be the new Gestapo
the new Wehrmacht
the new SA and SS
and turn the Palestinians
into the new Jews?

Well then I too want,
having fifty years ago
myself been tormented for being a Jewboy
by your tormentors,
to be a new Jew with these new Jews
you are making of the Palestinians
And I want to help lead them as a free people
into their own land of Palestine
from whence you have driven them or in which you plague them
you apprentices of the Swastika
you fools and changelings of history
whose Star of David on your flags
turns ever quicker
into that damned symbol with its four feet
that you just do not want to see
but whose path you are following today.

Farnaz2: Muslim states have recognized the Armenian Holocaust. Iran is one. Israel, the "light unto nations," has not. Its President denies the Armenian Holocaust. Shimon Peres said "What happened to the Armenians was a tragedy, not a genocide." The ADL admitted the Armenian Holocaust only after severe public pressure, including from American Jews. The ADL, however, still lobbies against the US recognizing the Armenian Holocaust.

I would ask the good Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, how should we handle Holocaust-denier Shimon Peres? And the ADL? Did the good rabbi ask his representatives in Congress to pass the official recognition of the Armenian Holocaust? If not, why not?

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Re: Therefore, it is right that those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but rather hunted and persecuted.
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Rabbi, you don't really believe that. If you really did believe that you could start persecuting right here.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

They deny that 5 million non-Jews died in the Holocaust. I'll throw in that if you don't persecute those people for denying the Holocaust you're just another racist.
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Unlike R. Steinsaltz, you are a racist from deep beneath the Swamp. I'd say you were an ignorant racist, but that would be redundant, wouldn't it? (Ask Mommie to look up "redundant" for, you.)
Far, far more that five million nonJews died at the hands of their fellow christians during World War II. R. Steinsaltz knows the facts, while you, racist, do not. Big surprise.

Re: Therefore, it is right that those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but rather hunted and persecuted.
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Rabbi, you don't really believe that. If you really did believe that you could start persecuting right here.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

They deny that 5 million non-Jews died in the Holocaust. I'll throw in that if you don't persecute those people for denying the Holocaust you're just another racist.

Sami_jadallah:

No go. We haven't forgotten 9/11. There's a good chance it'll stay in our memory for quite awhile. Time for the Islamics to admit their funding worldwide terrorism, including that of the Palesitians.

Crawl back under your rock now. Nobody wants you in this country, Islamic.

With the issue of the Holocaust becoming a very divisive issue, and is used by the Zionist Jews to stifle any debate on issues of Jewish crimes committed in Palestine and Gaza, I suggest that the Jewish community with a ready support, political and financial from Congress should set up Courts of Inquisitions similar to the one in Spain where Muslims and Jews had to face. Forget about the issue of God and the debate on whether God exists or not? In the US and around the world every one has the right to deny the existence of God, but no one has the right to deny or even question the Holocaust. As a Palestinian-American and as a Muslim, I did speak on the Holocaust as a matter of fact and as a morally reprehensible crime. However I think that the International Jewish Community is using the Holocaust as a business, big business, for money and political support for a criminal state of Israel. I am sure denying the Holocaust will disqualify any candidate for a political office, yet denying the existence of God will never be good reason to disqualify. Sorry I do not mean to demean the Holocaust by using it as equal to God. 60 years of political and economic blackmail is more than enough. It is time for the world Jewish community to admit it is supporting and funding Jewish War Crimes in Palestine

cintronlourde:

OH, AND CHRISTONAZI? WHAT PROMPTED THIS ATTACK? WERE THE 655,000 YOU MURDERED FIRING MISSILES AT YOU FOR THREE YEARS?

DON'T THINK SO. HOW'S ABOUT CRAWLING BACK TO VATICAN NATION SWAMPLAND FROM WHICH YOU EMERGED. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE.

cintronlourde:

GREETINGS CHRISTONAZI. SOME OF YOUR FELLOW SWAMP THINGS HAVE ALREADY MADE THEIR PRESENCE FELT.

HOW GOES IT WITH THE CATHONAZIS AT THE VATICAN?

HAVING FUN CROSS-DRESSING WITH POPE BENNY AND BISHOP WILLY NILLY?
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OR TOO BUSY GENOCIDING IRAQIS WITH THE REST OF THE CHRISTONAZIS?
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'Huge rise' in Iraqi death tolls
Iraqi woman mourns after car bomb attack in Shia holy city of Kufa, July 2006
Many Iraqis have lost relatives to violence
An estimated 655,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 who might still be alive but for the US-led invasion, according to a survey by a US university

SO NOW, WE TONS OF ARTICLES ABOUT HOLOCAUST 'DENIERS' BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE ZIONAZIS' CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY IN GAZA.

YOU WANT TO DO IN THE USA WHAT YOU DID IN GERMANY: MAKE IT A CRIME PUNISHABLE WITH PRISON FOR DENYING THE 'HOLOCAUST'.

OUR CONSTITUTION IS ON YOUR WAY, THAT'S WHY YOU HATE IT SO MUCH.

ZIONAZIS KILLED JEWS AND ASKED HITLER TO KILL JEWS. THE 'HOLOCAUST' IS WHAT YOU WANTED SO YOU COULD CASH IN ON THE MARTYRDOM.

YOU ARE NOW THE HITLER OF THIS MILLENNIUM.

STOP CRYING VICTIMHOOD, YOU CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. YOU ARE TERRORISTS AND WAR CRIMINALS. YOU HATE PALESTINIANS AND ANYONE WHO DON'T ABIDE TO YOUR ORDERS.

YOU ARE DANGEROUS TO HUMANITY.

MAYBE GOD WILL GET IT RIGHT THIS TIME.

I've been studying Nazi Germany during the past year. Biographies of Hitler, Goebbels, Magda and Josef line my bookshelves. I'm horrified when I read of officially sanctioned euthanasia programs, of "scientific" investigation of streamlined "clean" and "efficient methods of disposing of millions of human beings. That after robbing them of all material posessions in the name of the "state". Holocaust deniers are antisemites to the core. My library is also lined with books and videos on the holocaust. More every day. I'm actually heartbroken and cannot understand why when we have all of the evidence clearly visible for all to see, there are people who would deny this as jewish propaganda. I'd place the holocaust in every classroom so that we never forget the deep darkness that we can provoke if we're not careful in our society and our world.

Also, you may want to use the term 'extermination camp' when referring to the Holocaust, rather than 'concentration camp'. 'Concentration camps' were invented by the British during the Boer war, and practiced by the USA during WW2 with the Japanese Americans. Gaza is a 'concentration camp' too, if you take the view that Israel has been at war with the Arabs in the Middle East.
You may also want to look at the present as is, at what people do and how people live, and stick to that in making up one's mind where to go from there. It saves you from a lot of semantic trouble and mental confusion, as well as from repeating the past by being stuck in the mental frameworks of the past.

And those who deny other holocausts/massacres (see http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm), should also be hunted down and persecuted??

Are you prepared to treat those who deny that Gaza is a ghetto the same way?
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Aquarius

No rational sentinent being can say the Holocaust didn't happen. There is simply too much evidence.

My question is - why do the Jews have a monopoly on genocide? And why has their constant reminding of the world about the Holocaust failed miserably in it's attempt to make sure it doesn't happen again?

One only has to look at Cambodia, The American Indian, Darfur...... the list goes on and on. Stalin killed between 20 and 30 million of his own after WW II.

For all the posturing we see constantly remining us of this henious time, people of the earth are still bent on attempting genocide whenever it suits their fancy.

We didn't get outraged until after WWII about the Jews. The world is doing nothing about Darfur and a dozen other places where genocide is being comitted.

The whole world is watching and it appears we still don't care enough to do something.

Defending a holocaust denier's right to free speech does NOT mean that we AGREE with them!

I agree with Woodrow Wilson:

"I have always been among those who believed that the greatest freedom of speech was the greatest safety, because if a man is a fool, the best thing to do is to encourage him to advertise the fact by speaking."

Regards, Terry King ..On the South China Sea in Shekou
terry@terryking.us

RUbytues6,

Sorry, I misread your post. Frankly, I'm having a really hard time keeping up with the racists who've been posting tonight and getting down to the swamps in which they dwell so as to communicate.

MY apologies. While I disagree with your historical analysis, your post was quite sensible.

rubytues6 exists as an accident of evolution. It crawled out of the swamp with a handful of others. Scroll down. rubytues6 Swamp Thing has caused more deaths of Jews, Muslims, Animists, you name it, which is what christian people love.

They don't want Jews to defend themselves in Israel, the US or anywhere else, if it could interfere with their oil dollars. On the other hand this bastard rubytues6 has no trouble joining hands with its fellow bastards in genociding Iraq and Afghanistan. This murdering bastard and its co-religionists have already killed 655, 000 in Iraq, displaced three million Jews in the Middle East, etc.

Sorry, R. Steinsaltz for the language, but a bastard is a bastard. A racist bastard is a racist bastard. And rubytuesday6 is both.

Crawl back into the sewer now, racist swamp thing bastard.

carwash1 Author Profile Page:

The Holocaust was one of the most horrific crimes of all times. Human beings it appears are predisposed to perpetrating such loathsome acts. History is full of examples of genocides that took place prior to and since the Jewish holocaust.

One need not go into the history books to look at the dark side of human psyche. Just turn on your TV and you will see the seeds of genocide germinating. It is happening in Gaza and in Sri Lanka as we speak. Just like the Nazis, both Israelis and Sri Lankas believe that they have a moral high ground to carryout what amount to ethnic cleansing.

Will we ever learn?
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That is the question primarily for the christians who have killed more indiginous peoples, Jews, Muslims, animists than another people in the world.

Christian people (catholics, orthodox, etc.) seem hell bent on racism and genocide. Just look at your self. When will they ever learn? After all, they've had two thousand years. Must be slow learners.

Modern Israel exists, in large measure, because of the Holocaust. Post World War II England and America could find no argument to counter the accusation that so long as Jews depended on other ethnic nation-states for their survival, another Jewish genocide was possible and perhaps likely.

By the early 1940s, the Jews owned much of British-controlled Palestine and constituted a third of the total population. When the British decided to leave the area after World War II, the idea was that since Jews already made up such a large percentage of the population, dividing the land into a Jewish-governed region and an Arab-governed region made sense for both peoples. The Arab response to this partitioning was a call for a second Holocaust to “sweep all the Jews into the sea”.

How odd it is that the Arab response to the creation of Israel justified the reasons for its creation. Many Arabs continue to deny the Holocaust to this day because if there was no genocide then (they feel) there is no justification for Israel to exist. The Arabs falsely believe that someone will give them back the land that was not entirely theirs to begin with.

As for the argument expressed my some people in this blog, that the Jews are bastards because of what is going on in Gaza, all I can say that if some a-holes were firing mortars into the house where my children lived, I might have a disproportional response as well. One-thousand dead in Gaza is a terrible tragedy, but don’t insult the rest of us by comparing this to genocide.

Before anyone can try and fix what is wrong with the world, he or she must understand the reasons why it is the way it is. Deny the Holocaust and you will never make peace between Arab and Jew – which is exactly what some Arab militants want.

playa_brotha Author Profile Page:

Mr. Steinsaltz writes those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but hunted and persecuted. Kudos Mr. Steinsaltz for trying to stifle free speech. You've spoken like a true 21st century Nazi, not unlike your brethren in Israel who are conducting ethnic cleansing of its indigenous arab population.
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You should know. Anyone who would deny the Holocaust only needs to look at your Nazi self. How was it in the good old days, Nazi? Kill a lot of Jews, did we? Hmmm... Payback's coming, and you know what they say.

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I am sorry but given the crimes committed by the State of Israel against the Palestinian I am less by the issues relate to holocaust and not as much offended by them. I know this wrong but this my gut level response. I do think that any group of people has more rights over other groups. I do not think jewish people are superior to palestinians.

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I agree. I don't think anyone is superior to anyone else. Sorry but the christians who are genociding Iraq and Afghanistan aren't superior to the people they're genociding. So far, the christians have killed 655,000 Iraqis.

This is relevant since in the Holocaust the christians killed 6 million Jews, hundreds of thousands of Roma, etc.

Guess the christians like to kill.

Lufrank1

Hmmm....Let us see. First the christians kill 655,000 Iraqi Muslims. Stay tuned for the numbers of refugees, maimed in Iraq that the christians have created. Then the christians tell us there was no Holocaust--That would be the Holocaust they perpetrated. Then the Muslims tell us there was no Armenian genocide.

Huge rise' in Iraqi death tolls
Iraqi woman mourns after car bomb attack in Shia holy city of Kufa, July 2006
Many Iraqis have lost relatives to violence
An estimated 655,000 Iraqis have died since 2003 who might still be alive but for the US-led invasion, according to a survey by a US university

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6040054.stm

NICE JOB, NAZI LUFRANK1

Hmmm....Now what DO a lot of these folks have in common?

Just as we should recognize that the Holocaust was real (as we are continuously reminded by museums, books and Israel), the Israelis should have long enough memories to realize that their attitude and treatment of Muslim Palestinians is exactly like that of the 1930s Nazis treatment of Jews. The only difference is that Israel is using white phosphorus, cluster bombs and rockets on (Warsaw ?) Palestinian civilians instead of death camps.
For Shame! Especially on us because we supply them bombs and money.

Mr. Steinsaltz writes those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but hunted and persecuted. Kudos Mr. Steinsaltz for trying to stifle free speech. You've spoken like a true 21st century Nazi, not unlike your brethren in Israel who are conducting ethnic cleansing of its indigenous arab population.

I am sorry but given the crimes committed by the State of Israel against the Palestinian I am less by the issues relate to holocaust and not as much offended by them. I know this wrong but this my gut level response. I do think that any group of people has more rights over other groups. I do not think jewish people are superior to palestinians.

I read an article today about how the Israel Defecation Farce (IDF) stopped a family trying to get three little girls badly burned with US taxpayer bombs to the hospital.

The IDF stopped the vehicle. Had the teen brothers get out. Shot them 37 times while they had their hands up. Then ran over them with a US taxpayer tank. They were found in pieces.

Rescue workers couldn't get to them for 11 days. By then the burned baby girl had been eaten by dogs.

The holocaust does not justify Israel's horrific crimes against the Palestinians.

The Holocaust was one of the most horrific crimes of all times. Human beings it appears are predisposed to perpetrating such loathsome acts. History is full of examples of genocides that took place prior to and since the Jewish holocaust.

One need not go into the history books to look at the dark side of human psyche. Just turn on your TV and you will see the seeds of genocide germinating. It is happening in Gaza and in Sri Lanka as we speak. Just like the Nazis, both Israelis and Sri Lankas believe that they have a moral high ground to carryout what amount to ethnic cleansing.

Will we ever learn?

Adin,

"Those who deny the Holocaust should not just be ignored, but hunted and persecuted."

Isn't there enough persecution in the world for you?
Isn't there enough pain in the world for you?
Isn't there enough war in the world for you?

Isn't there a better way?

Xavisev Author Profile Page:

Let's also confront Israel-Firsters, won't we?
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You got that wrong. First we confront the Swamp Thing Firsters.

Crawl back into the sewer now.

I respectfully disagree with Mr. Steinsaltz.

It is very important to understand why pogroms happen, obviously. There have been many such, and it is clear that Solutions of whatever kind (Jewish, Hutu/Tutsi, Armenian, etc.) are always very bad news. Even more recently here in America, there were open advocates of a Solution to the Muslim problem.

So yes, the subject is a very important one. But advocates of mass murder should not get free publicity. Tribalism still lives, let's not give its practitioners legitimacy. But we should study it to better understand.

Let's also confront Israel-Firsters, won't we?

"What about the women and children in Gaza that the likes of you kill every day?"

Excellent -- a blanket accusation against the Jews.

I grew up 12 km from Dachau and there is no denying that the holocaust took place. What about the 20 million Russians that were killed by Hitler? What about Cambodians, the Armenians, and the Sudanese? What about the women and children in Gaza that the likes of you kill every day? How long should the Palestinians suffer?

You want sympathy? What is it you want?

The Holocaust is undeniable. It has been documented with eye-witness accounts of our own soldiers, Eisenhower, Patton film, the ovens, the gas chambers it is all there. We had the Nuremberg trials. Those who deny this happened are brain dead Jew hating morons. If the Catholic Church does not excommunicate this Bishop after the mistake of reinstating regardless of any possible false recanting on his part.
One could say that the Jews were part of the reason we and the allies won the war. Hitler was so busy killing and moving the Jews on rail cars he needed for his troops it detracted from his war effort. He also scared all the brains out of Germany, those who were loyal to Germany and could have helped him develop the bomb as long as they were revered citizens, not the victims the Germans and the Nazis made of them.
Now the Jews have more Nobel Peace Prizes than any other ethic group by far. They have about 25% while only .25 of 1% of the world's population. Envy of the Jews and their industry and brains fills the heart of every boorish moron.

Rabbi Steinsaltz,

They should be identified and prosecuted--absolutely. Actually, we do have a law against hate speech, but it is rarely applied. In fact, a few years ago, the supreme court upheld a White racist's right to place a burning cross on a black family's lawn. If I recall correctly, the white racist was convicted of trespassing.

Absurd, obviously.

It's too bad these On Faith blogs keep getting cluttered with so many vulgar and dirty comments.
Why can't you people go clutter other dirtier weblogs and allow people with real knowledge and better intentions to discuss with these acknowledged academics, however controversial?

The sad thing is that it takes a lot of discipline to carry on discussions with opposing or differing views without getting emotionally riled up.

Try channeling your emotional energy into a more powerful intellectual argument, instead of being destructive.