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Oh dear, Dear Mr Blair,

I'm afraid you are speaking to (largely) the unconvinced here, or the Disappointed. Probably both. Way to go.

Can I suggest - and you know that I am on YOUR side - can I suggest that you reply to this stream of comments? Otherwise, people tend to see it as a kind of online spin - just posted by an aide, then comments never read.

It's clear that here, as at home in the UK, the questioning of motive is still uppermost in some minds. It's also clear that the cause & effect argument is still to be won.

Some history lessons might be needed to show the longevity of this violence and that it was not invented by you and Mr Bush.

But you have made yourself a hostage to fortune by your own approach to international affairs and your care for ordinary people. You do not "pass by on the other side". It has always been this way with you, and not just since you helped save Muslims from Christians in Kosovo, Sierra Leoneans from rebels after 10 years of brutality, or Christians from each other in Northern Ireland after more than a century of conflict.

And none of them was withour risk. But still you took the risk. For example, in Sierra Leone, (from The Telegraph, 5th July 2005):

'Nobody in the capital, Freetown, has forgotten how Mr Blair deployed 1,500 British soldiers to defend the city from an advancing rebel army that specialised in hacking the limbs off their victims.

Five years after that operation, led by the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marines, Sierra Leone is at peace and a decade of turmoil and civil war is receding.

Augustus Kamara, 48, showed his gratitude by baptising his son Tony Blair Kamara.

"That powerful British leader saved our country," he said. "Even before my son was born and my wife was still pregnant, I decided: 'If the child is a boy, I will call him Tony Blair.'

"That man risked his political position to send his army to Sierra Leone. If anything had gone wrong, it would have been the end of his career. Despite all the odds, he sent his soldiers to save us.

"It was an act of humanity and of heroism and I decided to show my individual appreciation for what he has done."

Today, Sierra Leone has a freely elected government and its five million people can move safely throughout their country for the first time since the outbreak of war in 1991.'

And there's the problem. If all had gone cleanly and quickly in Iraq, the stories and the narrative would now be very different. No screams about the deaths the insurgents are causing; no conspiracy theories about the motives; no fuss about evidence of WMDs or illegality.

THIS time it HAS, ostensibly at least, been the end of your domestic political career.

I believe that you are a good man, driven by honest intentions for peace. But it seems you need to bear this burden - some sort of heavy cross, I suppose - until, if ever, its weight can be re-balanced.

I do hope the Middle East envoy task will bring some sort of settlement which may yet impact regionally for the good, though I'm SO glad you are an optimist. Few others seem to be.

Meanwhile at home in the UK, we have deeply rooted problems with extremists, who have yet to be reined in by their own. I see no sign of it, when moderate muslim men are cowed by veiled threats against their families, and women's voices are seldom heard within the heady vaults.

The recent rally against Salman Rushdie's knighthood showed the chasm that exists in Britain between the secular majority and the extremists. Between our culture and theirs.

But tell me this, Mr Blair - you should know - you made the laws - when do words roll over into threats or incitement? Or would your successor pay any attention to such 'incitement' in any case?

For example, on 22nd June, in London, at the rally against Rushdie's honour:

'Across town from the site of the recent attempted car-bomb attacks, several thousand Muslims gathered in front of the London Central Mosque to applaud fiery preachers prophesying the overthrow of the British government – a future vision that encompasses an Islamic takeover of the White House and the rule of the Quran over America.

"One day my dear Muslims," shouted Anjem Choudary, "Islam will govern Britain!"

Choudary was a co-founder of Al Muhajiroun, the now-banned group tied to suspects in the July 7, 2005, London transport bombings and a cheerleader of the 9/11 attacks.

"Democracy, hypocrisy," Choudary chanted as the crowd echoed him. "Tony Blair, terrorist! Tony Blair, murderer! Queen Elizabeth, go to hell!"

Abu Saif spoke with disdain of Blair's appointment as a special envoy to the Middle East, issuing an apparent threat.

"Inshallah," meaning "Allah willing," he told the crowd, Blair will "go to the Middle East as an envoy, and he'll come back in a box. Inshallah. What box that is, we leave that up to you." '

To me - that's both a threat AND an incitement. And there are many who do not need much encouragement. It actually happened on your watch, a few days before you stood down. I imagine you had other things to think about then.

As Dave Allen would have said, "May Your God Go With You".

This is for Mohammad Asghar,

It is Muslim like you that gives Islam a bad name.Where in the Koran it tells you to strap a bomb onto your body and blow yourself up with hundreds of innocent lives ? Please tell me.Osama should have been hung long time ago.He is a danger to the whole world including Islamic nations.

This is for Mohammad Asghar,

It is Muslim like you that gives Islam a bad name.Where in the Koran it tells you to strap a bomb onto your body and blow yourself up with hundreds of innocent lives ? Please tell me.Osama should have been hung long time ago.He is a danger to the whole world including Islamic nations.

Tony Blair was PM of the UK not England. Bet Gordon Brown would pull you up on this also! Alice

Tony Blair was PM of the UK not England. Bet Gordon Brown would pull you up on this also! Alice

It is all about the koran---

Words of wisdom:

Gators vs. Muslims-- Gators definitely will kill. With Muslims, it depends but with the koran as their operating manual can we trust any of them? e.g. the seven Islamic doctors in the UK.

The Quranic conditions in which killing is tolerable—The decisive verses.
1- Eye for an Eye
2-178. O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty.
2-Self-defense
2-190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
2-194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
Some Quranic Verses that emphasize on the Law of “not to Kill”
5-2. O ye who believe! Violate not the sanctity of the symbols of Allah, nor of the sacred month, nor of the animals brought for sacrifice, nor the garlands that mark out such animals, nor the people resorting to the sacred house, seeking of the bounty and good pleasure of their Lord. But when ye are clear of the sacred precincts and of pilgrim garb, ye may hunt and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah. for Allah is strict in punishment.
5-8. O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
2-208. O ye who believe! Enter into peace whole-heartedly; and follow not the footsteps of the evil one; for he is to you an avowed enemy.
5-32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
60-8. Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

STONING TO DEATH THE MARRIED MAN OR WOMAN WHO COMMIT ADULTERY
4-15. If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way.
24-1. A sura which We have sent down and which We have ordained in it have We sent down Clear laws, in order that ye may receive admonition. 24-2. The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
And that is the punishment that God ordain for them, and ordered prophet Mohamed to follow; and not the stoning to death!
4-25. If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
If the punishment is stoning to death, how can you do half of it in the previous verse’s case!
THE KILLING AND BEHEADING OF HOSTAGES IN IRAQ
8-67. It is not fitting for an apostle that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the temporal goods of this world; but Allah looketh to the Hereafter: And Allah is Exalted in might, Wise. 68. Had it not been for a previous ordainment from Allah, a severe penalty would have reached you for the (ransom) that ye took. 69. But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good: but fear Allah. for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 70. O Messenger. say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
It is very clear that God warns Moslems from mistreating hostages.
47-4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
Hostages should be released with or without ransom, according to God’s law.
76-8. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,- 9. (Saying),"We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks. 10. "We only fear a Day of distressful Wrath from the side of our Lord." 11. But Allah will deliver them from the evil of that Day, and will shed over them a Light of Beauty and (blissful) Joy. 12. And because they were patient and constant, He will reward them with a Garden and (garments of) silk. 13. Reclining in the (Garden) on raised thrones, they will see there neither the sun's (excessive heat) nor (the moon's) excessive cold.
God rewards people for being kind to hostages.

God Bless You Mr. Blair!
Here are my understanding of the tree religion based on the Quran.And the problems of the existing Islam teachings.
Why Jesus (PBUH) & Mohamed (PBUH) were sent to The people?
Since the creation of humans, God sent many prophets to instruct humans of how to manage their societies laws. When Jesus came to the Children of Israel, he did not come to change the Torah (The Old Testament), but to instruct the Jews to follow it. In other words, Jews leaders were following their own teachings that deviated from the Torah.
When Mohamed Came, he did the same thing, which reminding the Jews and the Christian to implement Gods laws among people and not their own laws. In other words, The Torah and the original Bible are the laws the constitute the true religion and not their own laws that constitute falls religion.
He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (3) Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion of right and wrong. Lo! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong). (Quran-sora 3-verse 2)

Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And barter not My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.(5-44)

And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). (5-46) Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers. (5-47)

In my studies for the Quran and Sharia, I have noted that many famous Sharia books depend on the “Hadith” in finding the Islamic laws. The Hadith are stories that show how prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him) and his companions implemented the Laws of God (Allah). Surprisingly, the Moslem scholars and others religious leaders (Shafi, Ben-hambl, Ben-Timia) have instructed Moslems to follow the Hadith laws, even when it contradict a Quran Verse—The True God Laws! Some of the results of such teaching are:
1- More that 70 different Moslem groups that are fighting and killing each other.
2- A religion that does not represent the Quran but represent man made books.
3- A religion that promote the killing of any person who disagree with.
The prophet Mohamed, like any other prophet, followed his Lord laws that are represented in the Quran and the Bible and the Torah:
(4-104) Lo! We reveal unto thee the Scripture with the truth, that thou mayst judge between mankind by that which Allah showeth thee. And be not thou a pleader for the treacherous;
Please, note that when God speaks Good about the people of the books, he mans the people who follow his true books (the Quran, the Bible and the Torah), and when he speaks bad about them, he mans the people who do not follow his true words; these people can be Moslems, Christian or Jews who are controlling the religion and misrepresenting it to humans.
The entire Quran speaks about that. The following are few of such verses
Alif. Lam. Mim. (2:1) This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). (2) Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them; (3) And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter. (4) These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful. (5) Alif. Lam. Mim. (1) This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). (2) Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them; (3) And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter. (4) These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful. (5)
Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. (2:136)
They are not all alike. Of the People of the Scripture there is a staunch community who recite the revelations of Allah in the night season, falling prostrate (before Him). (3:113) They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency, and vie one with another in good works. These are of the righteous. (114) And whatever good they do, they will not be denied the meed thereof. Allah is Aware of those who ward off (evil). (115)
But those of them who are firm in knowledge and the believers believe in that which is revealed unto thee, and that which was revealed before thee, especially the diligent in prayer and those who pay the poor-due, the believers in Allah and the Last Day. Upon these We shall bestow immense reward. (4;162)
Alif. Lam. Mim. Sad. (7:1) (It is) a Scripture that is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) - so let there be no heaviness in thy heart therefrom - that thou mayst warn thereby, and (it is) a Reminder unto believers. (2) (Saying): Follow that which is sent down unto you from your Lord, and follow no protecting friends beside Him. Little do ye recollect! (3)
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our God and your God is One, and unto Him we surrender. (29-46)

How many people know in their circle, terrorists? I don't think many of you. I don't know one extremist, or terrorist( he would have ever killed me). Seriously, they are few, and when we talk about Islam we talk about them.
So Islam is terrorism? And what about people who live normally their faith, the people i know, you know, the person i am, are we wrong, didn't we understand Quran, must we go and make the evil triumph? Certainly NOT, Islam taught me to love and to be kind and in peace with myself and others, i'll never stop, it's how i live and understand islam.

Saeed A. Rana:

You noted:

"Moderate and mainsteam Islam must triumph and should be supported. This cannot be achieved over night, but needs a lot of genuine and sustained effort. Actions should be taken on three fronts."

Actually only one front is needed. Muslims just like all members of contemporary religions must come to grips with their flawed foundations. These religions are not "god based". They evolved from ancient beliefs and are the surviving homonids attempt to explain life from a supernatural perspective.

The flaws (as repeated many times but worth repeating):

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists)via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian sects.

3. Mohammed, an illiterate, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics with most of this misery being funded by the third Axis of Evil aka Iran.

4. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centred and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’"
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/SIDD.HTM

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations/embellishments and myths surrounding the founders of said rules of life.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus for an analysis of Jesus' life to include his illiteracy.

I agree 100% with the Physicist friend of mine who wrote recently to me from NJ, USA saying......

'Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speakup, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.'

'Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population, it was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a warmongering sadist.
Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians, most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet.

It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.

It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill.

It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.

It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts, the fanatics who threaten our way of life.'

Dr. Hasanat Husain MBE
London

Moderate and mainsteam Islam must triumph and should be supported. This cannot be achieved over night, but needs a lot of genuine and sustained effort. Actions should be taken on three fronts.

1. Education of muslims, particularly in the developing countries, in all spheres of life should be supported. They must learn modern day advances in Arts, Science and Technology. The developed countries can play a major role in achieving this objective.

2. The genuine grievances of muslims must be redressed. If the global politics stands in its way, there should at least be recognition of the issues and sympathy for the just cause.

3. People in the West should try to understand Islam as a faith, which is the most un-understood religion. Islam follows Prophet Abraham's faith and believes in Prophets Moses and Jesus Christ and both Judaism and Christianity. God of Islam is the same as the God of Abraham. Quran accepts Torah and Bible in their original texts as words of God.

Tolstoy,in his study "What is Art",said
that patriotism is an evil because it sets
men against each other.
I believe religion is an evil for the same reason.
It is divisive,has caused endless strife,and is
completely irrational.

Mr Blair
Throwing your weight behind
faith based schools in Britain will
guarantee big problems ahead.
You are helping to create people who will
believe in the most ridiculous superstitious
claptrap for the rest of their lives,and which will set them against others,
who are being taught a different kind of superstitious claptrap.
Forcing ancient superstitions into young heads
is indoctrination,and works against education.
We know,and see it illustrated on these threads,
that once indoctrinated,people believe in the
supernatural for life,and rarely recover.

Hey, Deb Chatter,

You still there? Let my second posting to you at 5:40 a.m. on 27 July go unread, or are you giving time to Anonymous, Yo-Yo, or Frank Collins (at least my buddy Frank has the courage to sign his name) to answer me on your behalf.

If it was your decision, you'd keep Mohammad Haneef still locked up, or send him to Gitmo, right?

Dear Mr Blair,

I have always think highly of you until the day you and Bush and at the behest of Saudi Arabia invaded Iraq without tacit approval of the world body.You and Bush had literally taken 'might is right' and deployed your forces against a country less capable of defending itself.

Look what is happenning in Iraq now.The daily senseless killing of innocent civilians would not have happenned if Iraq wasn't invaded.

I am totally against violence and killing of the innocents whether it is perpetrated by Muslims or non-Muslims.They are heinous crime against humanity.

Is America and Britain going to pay reparation for the losses and sufferings inflicted on the Iraqi people?

Is this Mr. Tony Blair, the PM under whose watch Islamist extremest were able to penetrate every level of society, from the BBC to the government policy making to university councils to the labour union movement?

Is Mr. Blair the PM under whom demonization of Israel reached new heights, on the BBC, on the streets of London, and in the academic corridors?

Is this the PM whose wide-open immigration policies have ensured a prominent Muslim voice in Britain's future.

You keep looking for the moderates. Let us know when you find one, and he/she does not get killed or otherwise silenced by the real muslims who speak with a different voice. For example, your former member of Parliament Mohammad Sarwar, forced to resign due to death threats against him and his family because he helped to arranged extraditino back to England of three murderer of teenager Kriss Donald, who was kidnapped, tortured and killed in Glasgow in 2004.

This is the Britain you have had a large part in creating Mr. Blair. It's hard to see past that to some generic and well worn words on Islam.

I am sure all the Arab money though, will improve Britain's economy for while. Especially for those who own factories and large amounts of stock.

Muslims who are moderate and who derive by means of their religion support in seeking to lead better lives, these folks rather rehabilitate our concept of who Mohammed was and of what was his impact.

Hopefully the trend can continue, this trend of the moderates finding a voice and thereby reclaiming for Islam some of the honor and appeal which once its name conveyed.

so tell us about non extream islamics. do they still believe the words of the koran? i will post them for you.

do they still follow moho who made sure that islam was spread by death and not by word?

so what was moho? was he a moderate? can we judge what a moderate is by looking at his life?

To Muslims the Koran is the very word of God, who spoke through the Angel Gabriel to Muhammad: "This book is not to be doubted," the Koran declares unequivocally at its beginning. Scholars and writers in Islamic countries who have ignored that warning have sometimes found themselves the target of death threats and violence, sending a chill through universities around the world.
The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and practice them as such.
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority."

Shafiuddin i.e. another triple B, Bred, Born and Brainwashed in his religion. Ditto for many Christian triple B types,

At $75/barrel, no one is stealing oil. And the profits are being sown back into more terror by the third Axis of Evil, Iran.

Deb Chatterjee,

You read mu post timed at 9:28 p.m. lasr night?

You read, this morning, about Medical Doctor Mohammed Haneef, regarding whom you had made vile, libellous accusations last night based on misinformation and hearsay and faulty conclusions, for which the British and Australian authorities will likely have to pay later, just as Canada had to pay for Amar Maher and the British Government for the Forest Gate blunder?

I am NOT saying that terrorists should not be countered in the most vigorous fashion. They should be severely contained and, if necessary, crushed.

However, we also have the obligation to denounce the very sick imperialist monstrosity of the 1980's, which sent tens of thousands of naive 'jihadists' or non-state combatants to fight 'Godless communism' in Afghanistan with the aim of securing the Caspian oil for the mega-corporations and the geo-strategic Eurasian landmass for Western superpowers. All this is very well documented in John K. Cooley's 1999 book "Unholy Wars", Pluto Press.

Already in 1999, all this was common knowledge for anybody who was ready to undertstand to learn about and take corrective action against.

Those who did not are accomplices to the large-scale crimes against humanity that have been committed ever since, which Scott Ritter has so eloquenly denounced in numerous artilces, and which are also documented in the book: "Crimes Against Humanity".

Be better informed, Deb, before you make wild accusations.

And I wish you all the best.

To ; Concern to the Christian now liberated:

Your writing indicates you are a 100% Christian. You don't want to waste blood of JESUS on the Cross, because 'CHRIST DIED FOR YOUR SIN' by nature you have to do sins of confusing,lying, inciting. You are bound to do this; falshood bound to perish by its nature.

Tell your BUSH to get out of the Afghanistan and Iraq, he want to drink petrol he is basically making easy for you. He is steeling petrol from Arab Countries.

Mohammad Asghar,

Is that your real name? U are no Muslim.

Shaffiudden (another triple B, bred, born and brainwashed in her/his religion),

Islam is hardly truth. Being extremely honest, it, as with Christianity, has basic foundation flaws.

Islam's specific flaws:

Mohammed, an illiterate, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics with most of this misery being funded by the "unoccupied" Islamic state of Iran, aka the Third Axis of Evil.

If you want to be honest about your religion, start cleansing the book that all the above crazy koranics follow.

If you need help doing this, let us know. We have some specific procedures. We also do not live in an Islamic state and are therefore free to criticize and/or practice the religion of our choice. This apparently you cannot do without risking your life due to the rules of the koran.

In fact Extremism is good for everbody. e.g. extreme honesty, practice of extreme profession, it is good as long as benefits humanity. Since religion Islam is truth, when you follow truth with a honest then extremism comes automatically. In regard to terrorism ofcourse it is not a part and parcel of the religion. This will come why because of injustice to the community. Once you are Muslim, wherever you belong you will feel one body. Since you feel one body, then you cannot control the masses and some will adopt to the terrorism and do the act what is within his capacity. I will show the non-muslims terrorism, OCCUPATION OF LAND, CARICATURES, USE OF VULGAR LANGUAGE FOR MUSLIMS, QUOTATION OF QURANIC VERSES OUT OF CONTEST, INCITING, PROVOCATION, all these we consider terorism of gournalism. Many a times news against muslims without checking the honesty, example, 9/11, oklohama bombing, 7/7, and many more. I agree not to agree, if you consider muslims a terrorist, why ? against only US/UK why not throughout WORLD. Only because of the policies, terrorism is not a spontenous and of the religious teaching ofcourse not.

Mr. Blair has absolutely no understanding of Islam.

He can talk about "moderate, mainstream" Islam, but Mohammed said:

"the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: 'Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them . . .'" (Muslim Book 019, Number 4294).

"fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . " (Qur’an 9:5).

"Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers . . . " (Qur'an 9:14).

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Qur'an 9:29).

"Allah's Apostle said: 'I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle . . . '" (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

And how is the War on Terror being waged by the USA and the Brits against in general, the Islamic "koranic" crazies doing???

1. Saddam, his sons and major henchmen have been deleted. Saddam's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes.

2. Iran has been contained. (besides fighting the civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes oil continues to flow from the region.)

3. Libya has become almost civil.

4. North Korea is still uncivil but is contained.

5. Northern Ireland is finally at peace thanks to the work of Tony Blair and the leaders of both sides and the Patriot Act which stopped the flow of money and weapons to the IRA.

6. The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords.

7. Bin Laden has been cornered under a rock in Western Pakistan since 9/11.

8. Fanatical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace.

8. And the stock markets and economies around the globe continue to show good growth and opportunity for the global common stock holders.

So George and Tony and his guys and gals have not been perfect but there are some major accomplishments. Bill Clinton and his crew definitely had their accomplishments but were not "pretty wingie talking thingies" either.

Blair starts his article with:

"Shortly before I left office, I held a conference on Islam in London"

Then he concludes:

"This is the authentic voice of Islam. It needs to be heard and to be listened to."

Questions to Blair:

1. Why didn't you meet with those guys soon after 911? they could have saved you a lot of grief and blood. Instead you went on rampage against Islam and threw your lot with that lunatic Bush. Even as recently as Lebanon invasion you supported the barbaric killing of thousands of innocent Lebanese and gave Israel card-blanche and material support to drop bombs and murder innocents.

2. Do you think terrorists just happen for no reason? Do you really believe they hate you for your freedom? If you do, I can tell you they do not.

OBL actually spelt out his grievances but you chose to ignore it and go down the American path of invading a country which had nothing to do with 911 and had no WMD. Granted terrorists are evil but so are your 100 years of foreign policy in the Middle East and that Mr. Blair has spawned hatred and revenge, not religion. You never held on to your written promise of protecting the rights of indigenous people of Palestine, check out the wording of that Balfour Declaration which was evil to begin with by giving away that which you did not own to a group of European Jews just because you guys Holocausted them. It had nothing to do with Palestinians and now you want to be their knight in shining armour except Cono rice has pulled the plug on you but you give another definition to shame.

You have always supported the Americans in having their bases in Saudi Arabia. You have always supported Israel as if they can never do wrong and denounced Palestinians as if they can never do right. If you are to create a change for better you had better change your policies because if you do not change what you have been doing in ME then expect more of the same. Remember input equals output. Change the input and output will change. It has nothing to do with religion and all to do with people wanting to be free from foreign interference. Logic of a kinder garden. Surely that makes sense to an educated person like yourself or does it??

I hear you have taken a leap of faith. here is an advice from prince of peace: Do unto others.. etc.

Gurgle,

Thank you for posting, you can't learn if you don't ask.

I suspect you think that all those that died during the first Passover were innocent. That is murder, that is killing, that is hatred from God without provocation.

But in reality the Passover was an execution for transgression. Similar to the death of Uzzah, Ananias, and Sapphira.

The truth is we are all guilty before God, we all deserve death, we are living in an age of long-suffering, but it is appointed once for a man to die and then the judgment.

How will you look on that day? If it's tomorrow will you be innocent or guilty?

Canyon Shearer:

"...in the writing of Moses about the Passover Lamb..."

Passover is the most celebrated murder of all time. Read ANONYMOUS POST AT 9:53.

#5 Thou shalt not kill.
Hell awaits you Canyon Shearer.

You are absolutely correct Mr PM. Only Islam can fix Islam, with the least amount of bloodshed and misery for sure. In the mean time, while we're waiting for the other shoe from 9-11 and other remarkable dates to fall maybe we should have a closer look at ourselves?

One of yours I think, a Mr Hunt, probably related to the famous Henry Hunt says that the Bible is a proved hoax. And he presents some rather compelling arguments at his hoax buster web site.

But the argument he makes at http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul seems to me to be the most compelling of all. He manages to answer the question: Was that really God in the burning bush, "the being Moses made the deal with" a popular way of saying it.

Doesn't it make sense that the people of earth are caught in devil's trap? God just keeps failing to get what God wants. Don't you find that strange for an Almighty?

I'm not trying to sway your policies but maybe lesson your's and Mr Bush's reliance on supernatural beings. Not to belittle the power of devil of course.

Mr. Blair,

While I haven't followed your career too closely, your article surprised me with its eloquence and depth. I was in London in early July of 2005...in fact afterwards I didn't realize knives were illegal in your country and mine was confiscated at a security checkpoint.

I know what this religion has taken from your country and mine; and I applaud your efforts to identify and correct the problem we have. While I disagree with your methods, at least you are doing something while many others complain and do nothing.

I am reposting something I wrote recently, only because I spent a lot of time on it and am hopeful that it bears fruit. It has the conversion of Muslims in mind, but I'd appreciate you reading it, Mr. Blair; it has equal implications to you as it does the followers of Islam. This is how I feel the radical sects of Islam will be quelled, sanctification through Jesus Christ. There is no way to peace without consulting the Prince of Peace.

Take care, and God bless.

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THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MOHAMMED

Islam means “Submission to God”, as God has told us, “The Lord lifts up the humble; he casts the wicked to the ground. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.”

So the submissive will indeed go to Heaven, as long as they submit to God’s will.

One verse that jumps instantly to mind is, “God is not willing that any should perish,” God’s will includes demonstrating His righteousness, having upright followers, and that justice be done; but the most important from our earthly standpoint is that wrongdoers are rectified to Him, “that all should come to repentance."

Islam is in majority alignment with the Biblical understanding of Heaven and Hell; I think this is illustrated nicely in Surah 43 (Adornments), verses 70-77. Heaven is nice, and Hell is hot and eternal.

Where Christianity and Islam divide is how to get to Heaven; but how to get to Hell is the same in both religions.

Surah 43:74 tells us that “Sinners will be in the punishment of Hell, to dwell there forever.”

Surah 83 speaks of our conscience, the Sijjin, a register fully inscribed that will be open on the Day of Judgment; woe to the sinner, his conscience records his wrongdoings.

God knows the secret thought life, and has appointed a Judgment Day for all mankind. The Koran accepts Moses as a prophet and the Law of the 10 Commandments which were given to him. “God gave Moses the Scripture and the Criteria between right and wrong.” – Al-Baqara 2:53

If all sinners will have their punishment in Hell, it’s in our best interest to find out if we’re sinners.

Answer these questions truthfully and you’ll know:

Have you ever told a lie? What does that make you?
If I rape one girl, I’m a rapist, if I murder one person, I’m a murderer. A single lie makes me a liar. The Koran says to, “Invoke the curse of God on those who lie!”
– Al-Imran 3:61
The Bible promises that all liars will have their place in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone.

Have you ever stolen anything? What does that make you?
Both the Koran and Bible have very strict punishments for thieves. Maida 5:38 tells us, “As to the thief, cut off his or her hand(s).”

Have you always kept the Sabbath?
The Koran demands that you remember God on Friday, leaving off business and travel.
– Assembly 62:9
Whosoever does any work on the Sabbath, he will surely be put to death. This is in order to make sure you worship the Creator above creation.

Have you ever worshipped money, power, science, or possessions above God?
“Let not your riches or your children divert you from the remembrance of God. If any act thus, the loss is their own.”
– Hypocrites 63:9
This you know, no idolater will see the kingdom of God.

Have you committed adultery?
The prophet Jesus said, “Whosoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.”
The Koran is clear, “Do not come near to adultery: for it is a shameful deed and an evil, opening the road to other evils.”
– Israelites 17:32
Clearly “coming near to adultery” is the same as Jesus taught, that a lust-filled glance is seen by God as shameful. Take note that the word for adultery in Arabic is sometimes translated as “Fornication”, sex outside of marriage.

Have you ever used the name of God in Vain?
“Those before them also devised many a blasphemy, but God took their structures from their foundations, and the wrath befell them without them perceiving from whence it came.”
– Bee 16:26
God will not hold him guiltless that takes His name in vain.

If you’re like me, you’ve broken every one of these, and these are only six of the 10 Commandments. The Bible says that we have stored up wrath for ourselves on the Day of Judgment. The Koran is nearly identical, “On the day when heat will be produced out of the fire of Hell, and it will brand your forehead, your flanks, and your back, “This is the treasure which you stored for yourselves: you then taste the treasure you amassed!” – Immunity 9:35

There is a minor difference in the Hell of the Bible and the Hell of the Koran. In the Bible it says that we will beg for a drop of water, but none will come. The Koran says that we will have an overabundance of water, albeit it will be superheated past boiling and we will be forced to drink it, and it will wreak havoc on our insides. Either way, Hell is not somewhere I want to go, nor do I want you to go there.

There is a way to be saved from this punishment we have earned, it is the Injeel which according to the Koran was given to the prophet Jesus. Injeel means, “Good News”, and avoiding such a terrible place as Hell is definitely good news.

Some think that the good news is that we can work our way out of Hell. Both the Koran and the Bible refer to God as a just judge, so lets see how an earthly judge might relate. Imagine you stand before a judge, there are six clear evidences of your guilt, and the judge puts on you a fine that you cannot possibly pay. You offer the judge your good works, you’ve given to charity, you pray unceasingly, you are nice to people, you ask for forgiveness daily, you help little old ladies across the street, and to top it all off, you washed the judges car on the way in to court. The judge tells you, you should do good things, but you've broken the law; he cannot let you go, because despite all of the good you’ve done, justice is due. You cry out in repentance and sorrow, and the judge tells you it’s good that you’re sorry, but there is a fine to be paid, and if you can’t pay it, you will be thrown into prison.

This is the earthly judge, how much more Holy and Just is the Judge of the Universe? Payment is due for your transgression, and the Bible and the Koran clearly state that the fine is the eternal fire of Hell.

But here is the good news, God gave us the gift of a holy son (Maryam 19:19), born of the virgin Maryam, this son’s name was Jesus, and because he was holy, He lived a perfect unblemished life, he was tempted but didn’t sin; in the writing of Moses about the Passover Lamb, the lamb must be without blemish, a male, taken from amongst its brethren (Exodus 12:5). Another name for Jesus is the Lamb of God (Revelation 5:12). Jesus was offered as the sinless sacrifice to take away the sins of the world (Johannes 1:29). Jesus was hung on the cross outside of Jerusalem on Calvary hill, a hill not two miles from where Ibrahim offered his son as a sacrifice 1700 years prior. Jesus died in our stead, he paid our fine in his own life’s blood. The wrath of God was poured out upon him and it pleased God to do it. Jesus went through Hell so we wouldn’t have to, in an infinite showing of love God sacrificed Jesus so that we can be forgiven, he was the propitiation for our sins.

The Koran says that our sins are a stain on the heart, (Al-Mutaffifin 83:14) and Maryam 19:60 says that if you’ll repent and place your trust in the atoning work of Jesus, then you will see Heaven. Once you have done this, your sins will be forgiven, your stained heart will be replaced with a new heart (Ezekiel 11:19), and you will be born again into the family of God.

If any man does this, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. – 2 Corinthians 5:17

Deb Chatterjee

Excellent post...I agree with you that
religious indoctrination trumps I.Q.and education.
It becomes ones identity when a child is raised into
a particular religious community,(groupthink),and
they're often programmed for life.
It's frightening to realize that brilliant men can
be made to commit the most outrageous atrocities
on the expectation of some supernatural gratification in a fairyland called Paradise;
the logic of which,defies everything they know about the real world.

ANONYMOUS,

SEE MY RESPONSE TO CHATTERJEE ABOVE.

WHY WOULD I BOTHER TO ARGUE WITH SOMEBODY WHO DOES NOT EVEN HAVE THE ELEMENTARY COURAGE TO SIGN HIS NAME?

Deb Chatterjee,

My dear friend.

Don't you see that you expose yourself to ridicule in asuming that I am writing from the US and that I am a US immigrant?

Many other WAPO blogs ( in addition to blogs of Haaretz and Fuardian, UK news reports and opinion pieces) have my full address displayed for all to see.

In case you want it to be spelt out to you so that you are reassured that I am not a US immigrant, let me know as soon as possible.

I am afraid, Tony Blair knows nothing about Islam. What the Quran says is the real Islam. And what Osama bin Laden and his ilk have been doing is exactly what Islam wants them to do for restoring Allah's rule all over the earth.

The portrayal by anyone of Osama and others in his camp as radical Muslims is grossly wrong, for what they stand for is what makes them the true Muslims. To know the real Islam, people like Tony Blair should read the Quran. Otherwise, he will fail the entire humanity by feeding them with his false notion of Islam and its adherents.

Mohammad Asghar

I am afraid, Tony Blair knows nothing about Islam. What the Quran says is the real Islam. And what Osama bin Laden and his ilk have been doing is exactly what Islam wants them to do for restoring Allah's rule all over the earth.

The portrayal by anyone of Osama and others in his camp as radical Muslims is grossly wrong, for what they stand for is what makes them the true Muslims. To know the real Islam, people like Tony Blair should read the Quran. Otherwise, he will fail the entire humanity by feeding them with his false notion of Islam and its adherents.

Mohammad Asghar

Actually reading the amusing Mohamed Malleck's fulmination, I would muse to contend that USA and the West needs to impose stricter controls on Muslim immigration. At least place moratorium on Muslim immigration for 10 years.

All came to USA as immigrants. But, Muslim immigrants can be somewhat more dangerous. Look at what happened in Glasgow. A highly educated Indian Muslim, Dr. Kafeel Ahmed, with a PhD from Ireland in Engineering, became a suicide bomber. His parents are educated doctors from Bangalore, India. This shows that (western)education or lack of it doesn't matter; the fundamentalism is tractable to religion: Islam. Does USA want Muslims like Kafeel Ahmed living here ? I hope not !

"Let's understand that, becuase we used 'sanitized warfare', it's less barbaric than suicide bombers. Killing is killing, whether by drones, smart bombs, 'agent orange' or what-have-you."

To put it another way, the Western world is investing in munitions that are as targeted as possible to reduce as much as humanly possible potential damage to non-combatants.

At the same time, the Muslim world is investing in techniques and mission concepts designed to do as much damage as possible to non-combatant targets.

And you see these two approaches as being morally equivalent?

"You thought that tens, hundreds of thousands would be dying in Iraq and we, Muslims, would take it lying down?"

The US is not killing tens of thousands of Iraqis -- other Iraqis are killing them and the US has been unsuccessful in stopping this. Sure, the US can be blamed for its inability to stop the slaughter -- but the US is *trying* to stop the killing while the Iraqis are trying to *continue* the killing.

"Let's get this seriously --- let's try to understand each other's grievances, let's try to offer sincere peace proposals, let's try to make the world a better place to live in."

Yes -- perhaps with a healthy dose of introspection and self-criticism on all parts.

PINY THE ELDER,

You got great perspicacity!

You thought that tens, hundreds of thousands would be dying in Iraq and we, Muslims, would take it lying down?

That would suit you, would it not?

Nope, buddy! Nobody with any sense of self-preservation, leave alone self-respect, takes that kind of barbarity lyind down.

Let me anticipate -- Iraqis and Pakistanis are also killing each other. Yep, just like other poples did in the past and just like rats confined to a cage and given electric shocks by an Ivan-the-Terrible-like lab researcher would turn on each other.

Let's get this seriously --- let's try to understand each other's grievances, let's try to offer sincere peace proposals, let's try to make the world a better place to live in. Let's understand that, becuase we used 'sanitized warfare', it's less barbaric than suicide bombers. Killing is killing, whether by drones, smart bombs, 'agent orange' or what-have-you.

By the way --- one no longer hears about those anthrax scares that had once been making daily headlines?