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For Bishop Chane only,

You missed the important issue i.e. the flawed foundations of Islam, Christianity and Judaism and actully all the flawed foundations of contemporary religions.

Please peruse the following followed by your own critique of the flawed foundations of religions:

A synopsis reiterated many times because of its importance:

1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists)via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian/Jewish/Pagan sects.

3. Mohammed, an illiterate, hallucinating Arab, also had embellishing/hallucinating scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the Koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics with most of this misery being funded by the third Axis of Evil aka Iran.

4. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) - "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centred and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’"
The caste/laborer system and cow worship are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circumstances of his life.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/BUDDHISM/SIDD.HTM

Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations/embellishments and myths surrounding the founders of said rules of life.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus for an analysis of Jesus' life to include his illiteracy.

Religious chauvinism is the bane of our times. As a Muslim I have never had any dififculty accepting the central position of Jesus in Christianity and Moses in Judaism. My Christian and Jewish friends have no difficulty whatsoever recognizing that we Muslims consider Muhammad(peace be upon him) the last Prophet God sent to mankind.

I, of course, know of Muslims who think only Islam is "true" and the rest false, and I am sure there are those who think only their respective faiths offer salvation and the rest are on the wrong path.

The point is: one can be devoted to one's religion and yet have respect for the faiths of others. In fact, the three montheistic religions demand this of believers.

How, then, do we banish religious chauvinism? Through dialogue, surely, but also by consciously cultivating the virtues of humility and gentleness, and perhaps by gazing at the stars when the night sky is clear and realizing that we are not as important as we think we are in the grand scheme of creation.

Bishop Chane states:~
"Religion is NOT the cause of the violence that is currently attributed to Islamic extremists. But rather it is used as a shallow justification for acts of violence against humanity that incorrectly translates the concept of Jihad or “struggle” to a group of individuals who have become alienated from mainstream cultures. Alienation is caused primarily by poverty, illiteracy, humiliation and by not having a place at the table as Globalism consumes traditional societies and values."

Hmmm, so those Doctors in Britain, they were oppressed in their hundred thousand Pound jobs? And most of those 9/11 terrorists were University educated, were they also poor, oppressed and alienated?

A few contradictory examples form very recent days of moderate Muslim statements on this matter:~

The well known Muslim journalist Adel Darwish, editor of The Middle East magazine, has come out strongly against Muslims who object to the use of the term ‘Islamists’ to refer to terrorists and their atrocities. Darwish claims that "it is right to call them Islamists because they justify their atrocities by referring to Islam and the Qur’an. There is no term more appropriate for referring to them.”

Ian Black, “Violence won't work: how author of 'jihadist's bible' stirred up a storm”, 27th July 2007, http://www.guardian.co.uk/egypt/story/0,,2135869,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed accessed 28th July 2007.
"If you want to rob these people of their cover you have to take away their legitimacy," says Ashraf Mohsin, an Egyptian diplomat dealing with counter-terrorism. "The way to deprive them of their ability to recruit is to attack the message. If you take Islam out of the message all that is left is criminality."

Abdul Kadir Riyadi, “Political Islam no way”, in The Jakarta Post, 28th July 2007, accessed 28th July 2007.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detaileditorial.asp?fileid=20070727.E02&irec=1

“A sharia-based state is always discriminative -- so to speak -- against non-Muslims...The failure of political Islam anywhere in the Muslim world is also due to its inability to differentiate resistance from authority, and to leave the first for the second in normal circumstances. Government under the Islamists is therefore always characterized by its obsession with fighting against the "infidels" everywhere, in and out of the country. Hence, by all standards, the Islamists by their nature are not destined to succeed in advancing people's interests and handling their economic and social concerns. Political tension -- to say the least -- will always be present in a government run by Islamists...

I'm very sorry Bishop but, realistically, whom should we believe has the better grasp of Islam, yourself or these Muslims?

Kind regards,

Cncnd the Un-Xtian and Un-Liberated form hate and ignorance:Why do u keep repaeating the very same recyceled lies and hate about Islam every day on every subject? Clearly because your head is empty and u have nothing else to offer.By now all posters on these threads know you and your soul mate Frank.

Mr Amononymous,
That was my first post here, I do not know this "Frank".

Do you wish to take issue with the comments of the Muslims I have highlighted or do you simply wish to castigate me? I did not say these things, they were said by Muslims. Are you accusing them of being Islamophobic?

If you have a insight or a construtive criticism I am willing to engage (we could discuss the dhimmi, taqiyya, the Apostasy law, recent slavery in Islamic nations, the treatment of women, the dar al-harb, the new for new ijtihad, many things). But if all you want to do is call me names and make innuendoes...

My apologies anonymous, I see that your comments were not directed at me.

Chane: 1) What is common between Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition? Most importantly we are monotheistic, believing in “the one God” that we all share in common.

Comment: Wrong. Christians believe in the only true God there is, a Father God Who has an only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God. Muslims do not believe Jesus is God; they reject the Trinity. Thus, there is no one God Muslims and Christians “share in common.” The God of Islam does not exist.

Chane: 3) How can we live together in harmony and peace in the future? We can only live in harmony and piece in the future if we remain in relational dialogue and become deeply aware of the core content of each other's Holy Books.

Comment: Wrong again. True harmony and peace will be only when every knee bows to Jesus Christ and every tongue confesses that He is Lord.

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican.

Chane: 1) What is common between Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition? Most importantly we are monotheistic, believing in “the one God” that we all share in common.

Comment: Wrong. Christians believe in the only true God there is, a Father God Who has an only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is God. Muslims do not believe Jesus is God; they reject the Trinity. Thus, there is no one God Muslims and Christians “share in common.” The God of Islam does not exist.

Chane: 3) How can we live together in harmony and peace in the future? We can only live in harmony and piece in the future if we remain in relational dialogue and become deeply aware of the core content of each other's Holy Books.

Comment: Wrong again. True harmony and peace will be only when every knee bows to Jesus Christ and every tongue confesses that He is Lord.

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com; Recovering Republican.

P.S. I am offended that people here can report "offensive comments."

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican

P.S. I am offended that people here can report "offensive comments."

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican

P.S. I am offended that people here can report "offensive comments."

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican

P.S. I am offended that people here can report "offensive comments."

John Lofton, Editor, TheAmericanView.com
Recovering Republican

John Chane's claim that Muslims and Christians are both "believing in “the one God” that we all share in common" is absolutely false. In fact, it's patently illogical.

Here is the logical proof:

1. Muslims believe in one God alright, but reject the Triune God and reject that Jesus Christ is God (an core essential in Christianity);
2. Since both Christians and Muslims believe in one God, but completely disagree on the very nature of that God;
3. The Law of Contradiction states that A cannot be A and non-A at the same time and in the same relationship. Thus, God cannot both be triune and not triune, and Jesus Christ cannot both be God and just a prophet (as muslims believe);
4. Therefore, logic DEMANDS that either the Christian God or muslim God must be false, or that both the Christian God and the muslim God are false, but both Gods cannot simultaneously and logically exist.
5. Howevever, logic does NOT allow that both be the same God.

In fact, the muslim God is a false God, a satanic God to be sure. If you want to separate your proposition from logic and reason, then okay, but then your statement is rendered completely subjectie.

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