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Dear Mr Collins
I'm surprised by the ignorance you have demonstrated, yet claim to know alot about islam.
On what bases did you claim that the video you have showed is of one of the "islamics trusted clerics", do you know anything about that man? I personally-a Muslim- don't ! and judging by his looks and his talk, I can confidentaly tell you that he is not ! what he-and unfortunately- alot more out there is saying, contradicts the fundamental values of Islam. You have to be selective in whom you quote. If we go around and quote all who speak or act on the behalf of Christianity-some of which are in jail now- belive me it won't look good. We don't and we won't because we understand the importance of selecting who to choose from.
And the takiyya thing that you spent awhile talking about, does not exist in the Sunni faith (the majority of muslims), it does however exist within the Shia' sector (some of them though) and is badly condemned within Sunnis. So again, please be selective and stop generalizing.
I didn't bother reading the rest of your comment as it was evident from those 2 points that you use words that you are not entirely sure of, so I urge you to be will informed, and to choose.
If you wanna qoute Muslim scholars, my I sugest Alhabib Ali in the artice, Or Hamza yousuf or Nuh Keller, or Zaid shakir.
Otherwise if you just wanna pick what some random muslim people out there are saying, I can assure you that you can find all the hate msgs your looking for and more, even though they contradict the true msg of Islam.
Thanks and Peace

Dear Mr Collins
I'm surprised by the ignorance you have demonstrated, yet claim to know alot about islam.
On what bases did you claim that the video you have showed is of one of the "islamics trusted clerics", do you know anything about that man? I personally-a Muslim- don't ! and judging by his looks and his talk, I can confidentaly tell you that he is not ! what he-and unfortunately- alot more out there is saying, contradicts the fundamental values of Islam. You have to be selective in whom you quote. If we go around and quote all who speak or act on the behalf of Christianity-some of which are in jail now- belive me it won't look good. We don't and we won't because we understand the importance of selecting who to choose from.
And the takiyya thing that you spent awhile talking about, does not exist in the Sunni faith (the majority of muslims), it does however exist within the Shia' sector (some of them though) and is badly condemned within Sunnis. So again, please be selective and stop generalizing.
I didn't bother reading the rest of your comment as it was evident from those 2 points that you use words that you are not entirely sure of, so I urge you to be will informed, and to choose.
If you wanna qoute Muslim scholars, my I sugest Alhabib Ali in the artice, Or Hamza yousuf or Nuh Keller, or Zaid shakir.
Otherwise if you just wanna pick what some random muslim people out there are saying, I can assure you that you can find all the hate msgs your looking for and more, even though they contradict the true msg of Islam.
Thanks and Peace

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BEN wrote:
“I quote from the statement:
"2. The point of difference here is in the silence of the unasked question: who is responsible for these young people reaching such a point of despair that they would actually want to blow themselves up and others along with them?"
So, the Saudis who blew up the WTC, were they oppressed and in despair?
They came from well-to-do families, and educated, so what is the excuse here?”
Why is it difficult for some people to understand that it is not a black and white issue?
Yes, those Saudis feel depressed every time they hear the USA vetoing the decision to condemn the Israeli Army killing of innocent Palestinians. They feel distraught when the world fails to save 250,000 helpless individuals massacred and 50 Bosnian women raped every year by the Christian Serbs…etc.
The answer is also No: these people are not educated, not even humbly educated as far as Authentic Islamic culture is concerned. More likely, they were the outcome of deviant readings characterized by bigotry or constantly accusing other parties of infidelity and disbelief. Enlightened scholars receive threat notes,death letters and even fatwas against them from such extremists.
So, it is a yes and a no at the same time.

I agree with A.S., scholars should be the only ones allowed to explain the sacred texts and whether Quranic or Biblical. According to the belief of Islam, Muslims are not considered true believers unless they believe in, love and honor Christ, who is referred to in the Holy Quran as the Spirit from Allah.
However, the rigid and angry Muslims attacking Christianity, quote biblical texts which can be misunderstood, as they refer to and the phrases they depict from the saints and holy men precisely as some did here with the Quranic texts. For example,
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Mt. 25.14-30
Can I accept that the spirit of God demands such things?
Can a Muslim take for granted that Moses (peace be upon him) authorizes killing those who disagree with him and condones stealing from anyone who is not a Jew?
9:5. And to the others he said in my hearing: Go ye after him through the city, and strike: let not your eyes spare, nor be ye moved with pity.
9:6.Utterly destroy old and young, maidens, children and women: but upon whomsoever you shall see Thau, kill him not, and begin ye at my sanctuary. So they began at the ancient men who were before the house. (Ezekiel, ch. 9)
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover, of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigor. (Leviticus, Ch. 25)
Of course Muslims will not believe or accept that these are the teachings and instructions given by God to Jesus Christ or Moses (peace be upon them). Evidently, the faith of Muslims is conditioned by their belief in God's prophets and messengers (peace be upon them all).
Therefore, I suggest rigorous research and thorough investigation of the given texts and their authenticity. This is I think what A.S. is referring to when he says more study is needed.

Some people on here are so stupid. Honestly. lol, you quote some Quranic verses, a hadith or two, link a youtube video here or there and you think you understand Islam. HELLO, this man spent probably 10 + years of his life specifically studying Islamic studies. He studied Islamic law, how to interpret certain rules and he's certainly not a wishy washy liberal in Islam -- he is a respected Islamic scholar all over the Muslim world.

"A hundred million bad apples". Where the heck did you get a hundred million from?? 2 billion muslims. And let see... honestly, i'm not citing statistics but I'm going to shoot a guess that there has been less than 1000 muslim terrorists that committed crazy acts.

You hate-mongerers wouldn't realize the truth no matter what. Continue hating. Continue reading your Richard Spencer Jihad-watch garbage from a man who became an "Islam-expert" overnight who quotes a verse here and there and has an opinion. Fools.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. For example, the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Indeed all will agree that the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
“So, there is a need for a collective action by leaders of all faiths for humane causes,” This is plainly what Habib is calling for.

Ibrahim,
Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. For example, the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Indeed all will agree that the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
“So, there is a need for a collective action by leaders of all faiths for humane causes,” This is plainly what Habib is calling for.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, a position that should be adopted by all leaders of all faiths for the good of humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, a position that should be adopted by all leaders of all faiths for the good of humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, a position that should be adopted by all leaders of all faiths for the good of humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, a position that should be adopted by all leaders of all faiths for the good of humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, this should be the position of all scholars from different faiths for humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, this should be the position of all scholars from different faiths for humanity.

Habib Ali is one of the great scholars of Islam. He has been making a case for the peaceful inter-religious dialogue time and again. He stands firmly against violence, even when it is committed from Muslims against non-Muslims or among Muslims themselves. His latest statement, signed by a number of prominent Muslim Scholars was to condemn sectarian killings in Iraq. Link is here. http://www.duaatalislam.com/bayan_iraq_english.pdf
He understands the need to communicate and understand one another. He understands that the harm and damage inflicted by adherence to extremism will affect all. One can but agree, as the victims of the WTC were Muslims, Christians and Atheists. The case is similar to the victims of the Israeli bulldozers that destroy the homes of innocent Palestinians, Muslims as well as Christians. In fact, some of the victims were Americans. We will not forget Rachel Corey, the woman killed by the Israeli bulldozer while standing up for what she believed. Let us not forget the victims of the American invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan, those helpless Muslims and the young American soldiers who are paying the price with their lives all so that the US Government could realize its selfish goals.
Habib Ali’s position is clear on peaceful dealings on human level, this should be the position of all scholars from different faiths for humanity.

If you think islam is the problem, you've got it all wrong.
The problem is with any religion. Not with God, just with religion. Because the men of religion make everybody's life difficult. Who knows what God really wants? what makes them the judges & the dictators of DOs & DO NOTs?
Someone mentioned that Religion is nothing but morals & ethics. If so, then being good to yourself, your family, your neighbors & the world around you should get you into heaven. Men of religion do not think so. We all have to do it their way or there's no way.
I'm a strong believer of God, but I have no faith in any religion.

When will the Muslims realize that the world is changing & there's nothing they can do about it?
Habib.
I think it is great, this religion of yours, but what about "Ma Malakat Aymanikum"? doesn't this degrade women and make them sex objects for men?
What about the Scarf? when a man can wear what he wants & a women has to be covered from top to toe in the horrific heat?
Is it true that this "punishment" is because Islam thinks that men will lust over women when they see their hair!!
I do not object to decency in clothing, but this hair issue is really bugging me. Is it true according to Islam, the woman who is uncovered will goes to hell? So no deed will do her any good as long as she is enjoying the sunshine & breeze in her hair! Don't you think that is a bit too much?

This is addressed to Frank Colins:
I seriously think you should get over your malicious hatred to Islam. It is bad for your health to carry so much bitterness within.

1- You speak of Islam as if you know it, then you demonstrate what is referred to as a half-educated individual. Who is spoon-fed & does not know facts, rather, he just wants to showoff & tells everybody HEY LOOK AT ME I AM SO CLEVER & I KNOW THINGS.

2- You talk about the brutality of Islam, What about the Crusades????? What about the butchering of Native Americans??? What about Bosnia??? Were they your notion of civilized & peaceful behavior, what about the West's role of maintaining peace by killing people in Vietnam, Iraq, Palestine….& on & on & on…
3- You accuse Al Habib Ali with lying & you speak of the principle of Takkeya. Know that this is what Habib teaches the enlightened youth of Islam. IS HE USING TAKKEYAH WITH THEM AS WELL?

4- When a person like Habib Ali is scorned by a person such as you, he asks God for forgiveness & guidance for this abusive person. THIS IS SO MUCH LIKE JESUS CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, whereas you have nothing of Christianity's morals.

5- The first thing Prophet Mohammed emphasizes is MORALS & ETHICS. As he teaches his disciples: Religion is nothing but morals & ethics. It is all about kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, generosity compassion & many other things you cannot even begin to comprehend.

6- Islam believes in the Christianity & Judaism as religions sent by god. It does not call for waging war against believers in God, or any sect so to speak. In fact, you will never hear a Muslim speaking so disrespectfully of Christ or Moses or any other messenger. Believing & respecting them is an essential part of Islamic belief. On the other hand, it calls for acknowledging all humanity, as He says that the best of you is the righteous. (Note that there is a difference between a Muslim & a BELIEVER) a believer is way better & more revered by God.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).(Sura49: verse 13)

It also calls for preparing & defending ourselves against bigots like yourself: The Holy Quran says: in the name of God:
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (Sura 3: Verse 60-61)
7- God also instructs Muslims to encourage one another do good, not help each other to commit sin & aggression. As He says: Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah. for Allah is strict in punishment. (Sura 5: verse 2)

8- As for your so-called knowledge, you obviously do not know a thing about your own history. Acquire the knowledge & then speak. All you did is dig any nasty or devious comment about Islam just to feed your insatiable hatred. GET OVER YOURSELF!

Frank,
You should check your facts.

For all of you reading what this person says: check the verses he has selected. some of them are wrongfully rendered: never did the Quran order anyone to "MASSACRE" anyone. He mentioned other Surahs in the wrong sequence & verse numbers.

Hey! Franky boy, I'll ask you one question:
Who's your translator Harrison Ford? I would seriously recommend Bob Dylan's Version. you know nothing about Islam except its spelling & what you are spoon fed.

And by the way, since you think you are so educated, they are called MUSLIMS not ISLAMICS. So much for your sophisticated education!

You've put so much hatred into this, at least hate with proficiency!

Frank,
You should check your facts.

For all of you reading what this person says: check the verses he has selected. some of them are wrongfully rendered: never did the Quran order anyone to "MASSACRE" anyone. He mentioned other Surahs in the wrong sequence & verse numbers.

Hey! Franky boy, I'll ask you one question:
Who's your translator Harrison Ford? I would seriously recommend Bob Dylan's Version. you know nothing about Islam except its spelling & what you are spoon fed.

And by the way, since you think you are so educated, they are called MUSLIMS not ISLAMICS. So much for your sophisticated education!

You've put so much hatred into this, at least hate with proficiency!

Frank,
You should check your facts.

For all of you reading what this person says: check the verses he has selected. some of them are wrongfully rendered: never did the Quran order anyone to "MASSACRE" anyone. He mentioned other Surahs in the wrong sequence & verse numbers.

Hey! Franky boy, I'll ask you one question:
Who's your translator Harrison Ford? I would seriously recommend Bob Dylan's Version. you know nothing about Islam except its spelling & what you are spoon fed.

And by the way, since you think you are so educated, they are called MUSLIMS not ISLAMICS. So much for your sophisticated education!

You've put so much hatred into this, at least hate with proficiency!

I do find the responses of many on this thread irkesome and the conclusion I can make is that they have been trained to belch out their Pavlovian responses. It is you, my little American airheads, who are in the glaring sun as the complete idiots that the majority in the world hold you to be. I'm afraid your nasty little responses aren't going to change any minds. It might sound good talking to yourself in the toilet, but it's better to keep your vapid responses to yourself.

Habib Ali is one of the greatest scholars on the planet. Therefore, he knows Islam. He is not like those other guys you see on the news pontificating (a word some of you might need to look up, you know what I mean and who) about violence etc. who do not really know what they are talking about. This is authentic Islam!

As usual, we find the term "Innocent" as the caveat to who may or may not be murdered by the Islamics. "Innocent" it turns out,excludes Jews, infidels,the "Invaders" anyone that the Islamics deem as aiding the "Invaders", in effect anyone that is murdered must not be "Innocent", since "The god" willed it to happen. Why anyone would give ant credence to these guys is a mystery.

As usual, we find the term "Innocent" as the caveat to who may or may not be murdered by the Islamics. "Innocent" it turns out,excludes Jews, infidels,the "Invaders" anyone that the Islamics deem as aiding the "Invaders", in effect anyone that is murdered must not be "Innocent", since "The god" willed it to happen. Why anyone would give ant credence to these guys is a mystery.

Rhonda, you don't know the first thing about your religion. Islam does not mean "peace". Go check the glossary for this blog itself:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2007/07/glossary.html
You'll see that Islam means "submission".

"The Hebrew form of the name Jesus--Yeshu--was interpreted as an acronym for the curse 'may his name and memory be wiped out,' which is used as an extreme form of abuse. In fact, anti-zionist Orthodox Jews (such as Neturei Karta) sometimes refer to Herzel as "Herzl Jesus' and I have found in religious zionist writings expressions such as 'Nasser Jesus' and more recently 'Arafat Jesus.'" (Israel Shahak, Jewish History Jewish Religion)

I practice the religion of peace-Islam. I have three children and I hope that they live in a world of harmony. Some of the responses here are scary- some of the prejudiced and ignorant statements make me worry about the future. I consider islamophobics no different than those muslims who are ignorant and think that violence is ok. I will pray for you tonight.

we put up with a similar group - nazi's for less than 15 years before the world stood up and said no way.
islam has been attacking everyone not islamic for 1400 years. not just regular attacks for land - but a 1400 years religious war.
islam is just a terrorist organization - an organization that says hate and murder jews, christians, hindus, literally everyone not islamic.
dont we call that a bigot?
we have put up with this for far to long. how long do we have to allow a group to be in open war with us and not realize it and not fight back.

Habib, I have some questions for you. I'm tired of the peaceful rhetoric we constantly hear - it doesn't match with the actions that are going on in the world. Muslims should be marching in the streets demand their religion back. This isn't happening.

Can you please answer:

1: Does Israel have the right to exist in any form?

Can you provide me a link to the documentation that Palestine existed before the temples in Israel which have been documented to date back before Christ? I'm having trouble finding any documentation for Palestine.

Where in the Quran does it say you cannot martyr yourself?

Why does it say in the words of the prophet that dying for Allah is one of the best things a Muslim can do?

Muslims believe every word is considered the word of their Allah and it clearly states fight those who do not believe in Allah and tax them:

9.29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth (Islam), out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

or this verse:

2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know. Allah has sent clear signs.

Below are also some references to fighting for Allah that are in the carefully recorded words and deeds of their prophet.

Volume 4, Book 52,
Number 50:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "A single endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the forenoon or in the afternoon is better than the world and whatever is in it."

Volume 4, Book 52,
Number 63:
Narrated Al-Bara:

A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did
very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in abundance)."

Sunnah: Volume 5, Page 2: Hajj: A Form of Jihad

Al-Hasan ibn Ali says that a man came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: "I am a coward and a weak person. Is there anything I can do?" The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "You may go for a jihad (striving) that involves no fighting, that is, Hajj." This is reported by Abdur Razzaq and At-Tabarani, and all its narrators are trustworthy.

Abu Hurairah narrates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "Hajj is the jihad for the old, the weak and the women." (This is reported by Nasa'i with a reliable chain of narrators)

'Aishah reports that she once said: "O Prophet of Allah! Jihad (striving or fighting in the cause of Allah) is the best deed. Should we (women) then, not actively participate in it?" The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: "The best jihad for you is Hajj Mabrur." (Bukhari and Muslim)

In another report 'Aishah says: "I once asked the Prophet (peace be upon him): 'O Prophet of Allah! Should not we (women) strive and actively participate in the Islamic war with you?' The Prophet (peace be upon him) eplied: 'The best and the most beautiful striving for you in the cause of Allah is Hajj Mabrur."' (Bukhari and Muslim) 'Aishah commented: "After hearing this from the Prophet (peace be upon him) I shall never cease performing Hajj."

It must be pointed out that Islam is a religion that allows lying in three circumstances - the one that should get everyone's attention is the one where it is OK to say something false to reconcile people.

ATHENA

i can see what you want. you want all religions to be understanding. some are some are not. islam never is understanding.
read the quotes from the koran - what understanding religion demands hate and murder? not people who might do what the religion forbids - but hates and murders WHILE FOLLOWING THE RELIGION?

ONLY ISLAM!

RESPONSE:

PUT THIS INTO AN ACCEPTABLE CONTEXT!

The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and practice them as such.
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority."

and put this into context. in ww1 the islamic turks murdered 1.8 million christian armenians because they were christian.
and during ww2 islamic scum joined with the nazi's and even had their own ss division. now put that into context too.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

The enemy is not a single religion, but extremism in the name of religion. I suppose that Randall Terry, Timothy McVeigh, and Eric Rudolph all thought that they were good Christian Soldiers by killing people in the OKC Federal Building and Olympic Park.

Everything you have said was taken completely out of context. Look I can do the same thing...

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

Did Jesus really mean that he was there to kill people and he wanted to wage war against anyone who disagreed with him? Of course not! Jesus speaks of himself as a metaphorical sword that will divide families into believers and non-believers.

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight: Psalm 144:1

He teacheth my hands to war. Psalm 18:34

That thy foot may be dipped in the blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dogs in the same. Psalm 68:23

The Lord is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16, Deuteronomy 25:19

And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people ... So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land. Numbers 21:34-35

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites ... And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones ... And they burnt all their cities....
And Moses was wroth with the officers ... And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:1-18

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain: Deuteronomy 2:33-34

And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them. Deuteronomy 7:2, 7:16

If we take a look at these, I am sure they are taken completely out of context as well just like those Surahs from the Quran were taken out of context

Suicide bombers don't view Allied soldiers or Isreali citizens or even citizens of the "Great Satan" aka the USA as being civilians. They see us as being responsible for their "oppresion". This seems to lead me to believe that while it is wrong for these bombers to detonate themselves amoungst their own people (followers of Islam), which I admit they do do, they feel that any one of the afore mentioned peoples are fair game.

It is just a few hundred million bad apples that support mistaken notions of Islam that spoil things.

I agree with this scholar and FP.

The fact that Islam outlaws suicide and violence must be why you rarely see suicide bombers who are Islamic.

FP,

The Islamic agenda for conquering and pillaging the world of the non-believers continues as shown by the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers in Iraq , the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers in Iraq , the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani koranics, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases and the Filipino koranics i.e. a summary of the War on Terror and its root cause, the Koran !!!!!

Frank:

its "first comes Saturday, then Sunday."

but "First We Take Manhattan" still stands:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSe4cBNhSk

I quote from the statement:

"2. The point of difference here is in the silence of the unasked question: who is responsible for these young people reaching such a point of despair that they would actually want to blow themselves up and others along with them?"

So, the Saudis who blew up the WTC, were they oppressed and in despair?

They came from well-to-do families, and educated, so what is the excuse here?

when a man is attacking you - telling him you want to learn to live together does nothing at all.
tell islamics that - christians are not at war to spread their religion ONLY ISLAM IS!

Either we learn to live to live together
or we will all die together.

if you dont hate and murder, or want to murder, then you are not islamic!
here is what the koran demands - if you dont do it you are not islamic - its that simple.
The Hadith No. 284, The Muslim, volume one, says that any Jew or Christian, who heard of Muhammad but did not convert to Islam, and died in disbelief, would rot in hell! Thus Islam withdraws from all Jews and Christians the right to believe in their faiths, and practice them as such.
"The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolators shall be in the Fire of Hell therein dwelling for ever; those are the worst of creatures. But those who believe, and do righteous deeds, those are the best of creatures..." (XCVIII: The Clear Sign: 5)
Here those Jews and Christians, who spurn Islam, have been lumped together with the idolators such as the Hindus, and classified as 'the worst of creatures'. Therefore the Koran commands:
"O believers, take not as your friends those of them, who were given the Book before you, and the unbelievers, who take your religion in mockery and as a sport..." (V: The Table: 60)
"The true believers say: Has not God ordered a chapter that commands the holy war" (Sura 47:22); or elsewhere: "Kill the idolaters wherever you find them, imprison them, besiege them, ambush them" (Sura 9:5); and, "Make war on unbelievers" (Sura 9:29). "When you come upon unbelievers, massacre them, tighten the bands of the captives that you will have taken. Then you will set them free, or you will release them for a ransom" (Sura 8:57).
"To Allah, there are no animals viler than those who do not believe and remain unbelievers" (Sura 8:57). That is why it is necessary to Islamize them by force and by humiliation. And those who resist Islam and its founder must be chastised, according to the Koran: "Here is the fate of those who fight Allah and his messenger: you will put them to death or you will make them suffer the torture of the cross; you will cut their hands and their feet alternately. They will be driven from the country" (Sura 5:37).
"Do not display cowardice, and do not call the infidels to peace when you are superior to them" (Sura 47:22). THIS ALLOWS THEM TO MAKE PEACE SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE WAR AGAIN LATER.
4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
"4.90": Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
"4.91": You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given you a clear authority."

or this:

Qur’an Chapter 2 Verse 65:
And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath (Jews): We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

Ishaq: 250
The bestial transformation occurred when Allah turned Jews into apes, despised.

Tabari VIII: 28
When the Messenger approached the Jews, he said, ‘You brothers of apes! Allah shamed you and cursed you.’

Qur’an Chapter 5 Verse 14:
From those too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the Message that was sent to them: so We estranged them, with enmity and hatred between one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what they have done.

Qur’an Chapter 5 Verse 41:
…Jews, - men who will listen to any lie…For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment.

Qur’an Chapter 5 Verse 82:
Strongest among men in enmity (hatred) to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans.

Ishaq: 262
Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur’an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse.

Qur’an Chapter 5 Verse 51:
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.

Qur’an Chapter 3 Verse 28:
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah. [This verse teaches Muslims not to make friends with unbelievers, but allows them to feign friendship with unbelievers in order to prevent harm befalling themselves]

Ishaq: 364
Muslims, take not Jews and Christians as friends. Whoever protects them becomes one of them, they become diseased, and will earn a similar fate.

Sahih Muslim Book 037, Number 6665:
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire. [All Muslims are saved from Hell because a Jew or a Christian will go to hell in their place]

"Muslims that hate Christians" and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and other Muslims and even their own children..

Maybe we should just say Muslims that hate and leave it there..

This man (Al Habib) has knowledge of the hate of his coreligionists and as a compassionate man must be a pathfinder..

I have to agree with FP. Here is someone who has opened up about his faith and all people can do is call him a liar. My personal experience has taught me that Muslims are usually extremely honest individuals. I'm starting to think this comments section is of very little value. All it seems to do is serve as a platform for people to insult the guest panelists.

What's most amazing to me about this spread in the Washington Post has been the responses. Here we have a group of scholars who go out of their way to logically and analytically explain their faith, and all you see in return is the ugliest nastiest hatred in reply. How are the people on these posts who hate Muslims any better than the Muslims that hate Christians? Its the ultimate irony.

Why should Muslims have to continually apologize when its the US and UK who are directly responsible for the carnage in Iraq?

Al Habib,

Do you fear muslim on muslim violence?

Suicide bombing and terrorism are methods--a strategy. It is that strategy that can and should be criminalized/criticized. You seem to be implying that the justification used by many terrorists (Western attacks against Muslims, cultural imperialism, etc) could be a mitigating circumstance for their acts. I agree that it is certainly important to study the justifications because that can be useful in solving the problem, but it should not lessen the wrongness of what they do. Literally millions (if not billions) of people feel the same anger towards the West and the West's policies that terrorists do. The difference between them is the method they choose to express that anger. Thus, it is wrong to say that the America/the West should share blame for terrorism. I do believe that the West is responsible for the despair and anger that leads SOME to terrorism, but it is other factors that lead those SOME to violence. One big (perhaps the biggest) factor is ideology. That is, a particular interpretation of Islam espoused by groups like Al-Qaeda.