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Thank you for presenting Islamic Scholars to speak on the true meaning of Islam. Not one denounced killing of Non-Muslims. It is clear that Islam is truly the faith of killers. Of course moderate Muslims are killed so they are afraid to speak out, but it is clear that Islam is where Christianity was 1000 years ago. They must be contained until they are ready to join a modern world.

Thank you for presenting Islamic Scholars to speak on the true meaning of Islam. Not one denounced killing of Non-Muslims. It is clear that Islam is truly the faith of killers. Of course moderate Muslims are killed so they are afraid to speak out, but it is clear that Islam is where Christianity was 1000 years ago. They must be contained until they are ready to join a modern world.

IN OUR NATION DON´T MIND WHERE WE ARE, ITS WIIL BE IN OUR HEART.WHAT HAPPENS ONLY GOD KNOWS, AND WHAT MORE WNAT IS THAT ONE LIVING IN PEACE, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FEELING IS THE LOVE.
CONGRATULATIONS AND PEACE FOR ALL.

INÁCIO, DONIZETI
BRAZIL.

IN OUR NATION DON´T MIND WHERE WE ARE, ITS WIIL BE IN OUR HEART.WHAT HAPPENS ONLY GOD KNOWS, AND WHAT MORE WNAT IS THAT ONE LIVING IN PEACE, AND THE MOST IMPORTANT FEELING IS THE LOVE.
CONGRATULATIONS AND PEACE FOR ALL.

INÁCIO, DONIZETI
BRAZIL.

One should not miss the point. Islamic core teaching is same but people with different background and understanding understand and live his own individualistic Islam. At the same time, conflict arises when one try to put his own personal interpretation on others who don't want to accept it.

Islamic history is full of this. Sufis are one who have tested orthoxy to its limits. Different sects came in to existance without cutting each other throats, exceptiong being conflict between shia and sunnis, I think it is for power struggle more than their individual beliefs.

Good article but writer didn't answer the questions.

It's a bit hard to follow but I think what he's saying is,

"Our Islam" consists of "My Islam" and "Your Islam", as long as "Your Islam" is not "Their Islam". "Their Islam", by definition, includes the rejection of "My Islam", "Your Islam" and "Our Islam", since They seek to impose "Their Islam" on all Muslims(and all non-Muslims, by the way).

So we know that "Their Islam" implies an outright rejection of "Our Islam". My question is, does "Our Islam" really imply an outright rejection of "Their Islam"? Or does it simply suggest, "...politely refusing to adopt any given element thereof?"

This is the key, in my opinion, to this debate. There can be no hesitation by moderate Muslims to reject militant Islam in the clearest and strongest possible terms. I think this post is a condemnation but it's hard to tell. It's certainly not a clear or a strong one.

Historically Islam has enjoyed the over-tones of deliberation, dilague and discussion. Ironically it was Iraq that was at the fore-front of these types of practices, which included Sunnis, shias, Sufis, and other sects of Islam. Scientists, poets, mathematicians would rountinely express their ides and concerns in forums. The Caliphs themselves often pushed for these types of discusions, as seen in Islamic indian history.

This whole complex of Islamic sect superiority is a relatively new. From the Wahabi expansion to modern day Salafi thought the current trends are leading in a downward spiral. This article is excellent because it emphasis that struggle. You have your own Islam, my Islam, and our Islam....which is more important, and how do you go out about determining our Islam in the current setting? It is not that grey of an area once you really think about it.

thank you for a very human and insightful analysis.

excellent point, their are viewpoints that need to
be stressed more in the chaos that is taking place
right now, I'ts unfortunate that certain scriptures are used to justify what's taking place
as I write this paragraph.

excellent point, their are viewpoints that need to
be stressed more in the chaos that is taking place
right now, I'ts unfortunate that certain scriptures are used to justify what's taking place
as I write this paragraph.

excellent point, their are viewpoints that need to
be stressed more in the chaos that is taking place
right now, I'ts unfortunate that certain scriptures are used to justify what's taking place
as I write this paragraph.

I am a Muslim who admittedly, once had an instructor tell me that If a Muslim is killed by an unbeliever, then the Muslims must kill two unbelievers. If I was asked to pinpoint the particular point in time when the first seeds of Atheism were sown in my heart, It would be the moment after I had my "teacher" utter such words. Although I am still a Muslim now (after trying Atheism about 20 separate times and not being satisfied with it), I laugh when I hear others talking about what "Islam" really teaches, given the ridiculously ambiguous nature of the Quran, and how this makes it utterly impossible for any such thing as "Our Islam" to exist. You are correct in saying that everyone has their own normative version of Islam, and It is best to keep it at that because we all know what happens when people try to force their own views upon others.

Again we have a bred, born and brainwashed Muslim not addressing the real issue of Islamic violence i.e. the militaristic and anti-feminine passages of the koran. One could recommend that these passages be deleted. Also to be deleted would be the Gabriel-Mohammed "communications" since Gabe was a fictional character as all "pretty flying wingie talking thingies" are. The passages plagiarized from the ancient religions to include Judaism and Christianity whould also be deleted.

And what is left, nothing!!!!!!

Not a whole lot left to the OT, NT and the Book of Mormon either if you follow the same reasoning i.e.
1. Abraham founder/father of three major religions was probably a mythical character. If he was real, he was at best a combination of at least three men. 1.5 million Conservative Jews and their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.
From http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

2. Jesus, the illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter possibly suffering from hallucinations, has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth. Analyses of his life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, On Faith panelists)via the NT and related documents have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian sects.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

3. Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

A voice of reason is finally heard this week, one that tries not to excuse the extremism of certain Muslims, but unconditionally rejects their positions. Thank you.

I don't think it's accidental that this voice of reason comes from Indonesia rather than the middle east. The unacknowledged aspect of the whole discussion up to now has been that the west's perceived problems with Islam are a result not of the belief system itself (which CAN exist peacefully with other belief systems), but with the use of Islam as an excuse to propagate the brutal 'civilization' that is at the core of middle eastern and north African life.

I'm hopeful that a new president with better than grade-school comprehension will be able to start repairing the rift between the US and Muslims around the world by starting with strengthening our ties to Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country that has found a way to synthesize the faith with their own island culture, free of the brutality and blood lust that fuels the middle-eastern imagination.