If I were to make a list of Christianity’s ten worst contributions to religion, it would be its emphasis on an afterlife, for more than one reason.
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I can't believe how far away from real Christianity Borg and other liberal scholors now are. It really amazes me, Christianity is hardly even a religion anymore it seems like for them. It's more of just a way to sort of worry about the environment. God is some vague figure, Jesus is not divine for them haha. Wow it's insane, I feel bad for him and others, come back to the Orthodox faith please, it's been the same since the begginings, no change needed, come back, come back!!!
February 24, 2008 4:08 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 24, 2008 16:08
As ususal Dr. Borg gives me somthing deep to consider that I had not heard or considered before. What a gift!
February 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on February 17, 2008 16:38
Chinese are in MEXICO & Russians are in Pocket of CONGRESS!?????
REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.
This is 'illegal' , aka PROXY President by Nepotism! Presidential 'Term-Limits' are being violated. Do not be Stupid! The Communist have infiltrated Sweet Sweet U.S.A's Government of 'THE PEOPLE!
So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!
IMPORTANT , Sweet Sweet America:
A Russian Communist Conspiracy in Sweet Sweet America "i" now EXPOSED!
HARK Humates of America!:
BEWARE:
Senator 'Chuck Schumer' (of N.Y., a 'Senior Senator) is been "BRIBED' by the RUSSIAN-INTERNATIONAL-MAFIA! Example:
He, Mr. Schumer et al, via "L*U*K OIL" got money from them, (via ex-'GETTY gas station(s) moguls, now turned "Russian Mafia Government Front" as Owners in America. Please call FBI & CIA!] and of Which "Chucky-Boy' Senator SCHUMER promoted , knowingly in such a great 'COMMY' Conspiracy!
Forgive me, but it is true!!!!!!!!!!
ATT: You get pais per "CLICK' , then pay 'US' [free Spirited Bloggers] for Stealing OUR ideas/Writings!
Note: You must Post [ALL & not SENSORED] or repost {hours of WORK (free, but NO more!) thinking & typing) what You-Failed to post. There was No Cuseses. Everything was acoording to 'YOUR' rules, not mine.
Yes, 34,000 people a year in AMERICA , the sweet, comit Suicide. So Better they Volunteer for Army & die Protecting the great REPUBLIC & FEDERATION of "Space-Ship" Planet EARTH against SuperStupidStitious Pre-Apocalyptic BIBLIO, QURANO, GEETAO, MANIACS.
WE "i"nellegent "i"ntellectuals "i"ndividuals. aka, HUMATES (not Humans, as JOKTANIAN, not PELEGIAN,Sporades (Wom) & Mavorites (Man)) Live on space-Ship Earth! aka S.S. GAIA, S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng Something instead!!
So please post ALL that you have sieved/selected & sensored! Not jus "i", but many many Bloggers!
NOTICE: "NEWS-WEEK" & WASHINGTON POST & CO, et al,;
IT is about your ten 'FACE's. not about our one honest Face's!
You will be sued , in 'Class' like, in Federal Court very very Soon!
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VOTE:
'NO' to News-Papers Company's owning {your Kids minds future & yours too] against them owning T.V Stations & Satellite Station!
SAY: 'NO' , via F.C.C., to News Paper Company's! 'NO' Broad Casting! Say or Vote, No!
And, Say 'NO' to allowing Religious Satellite Televangelical(s) to broadcast their 'EVIL' Anti-Society Story's & Behavior's too!
Thanks, Eclati-On (nevr Off's) American Mon's & Monsa's!
Take Back your almost Hijacked Nation! Take back Sweet sweet America! Now!
< ?: +)/ Ya Ya!
December 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on December 16, 2007 10:20
vote: no TO monopoly VIA media & Foerigners Control:
REMEMBER: Voting for HilLlary Clinton, is same as re-Voting for Prez B. Clinton.
This is 'illegal' , aka PROXY President by Nepotism! Presidential 'Term-Limits' are being violated. Do not be Stupid! The Communist have infiltrated Sweet Sweet U.S.A's Government of 'THE PEOPLE!
So, Please do not vote for 'Hillary & Bill Clinton! Thank You!
IMPORTANT , Sweet Sweet America:
A Russian Communist Conspiracy in Sweet Sweet America "i" now EXPOSED!
HARK Humates of America!:
BEWARE:
Senator 'Chuck Schumer' (of N.Y., a 'Senior Senator) is been "BRIBED' by the RUSSIAN-INTERNATIONAL-MAFIA! Example:
He, Mr. Schumer et al, via "L*U*K OIL" got money from them, (via ex-'GETTY gas station(s) moguls, now turned "Russian Mafia Government Front" as Owners in America. Please call FBI & CIA!] and of Which "Chucky-Boy' Senator SCHUMER promoted , knowingly in such a great 'COMMY' Conspiracy!
Forgive me, but it is true!!!!!!!!!!
ATT: You get pais per "CLICK' , then pay 'US' [free Spirited Bloggers] for Stealing OUR ideas/Writings!
Note: You must Post [ALL & not SENSORED] or repost {hours of WORK (free, but NO more!) thinking & typing) what You-Failed to post. There was No Cuseses. Everything was acoording to 'YOUR' rules, not mine.
Yes, 34,000 people a year in AMERICA , the sweet, comit Suicide. So Better they Volunteer for Army & die Protecting the great REPUBLIC & FEDERATION of "Space-Ship" Planet EARTH against SuperStupidStitious Pre-Apocalyptic BIBLIO, QURANO, GEETAO, MANIACS.
WE "i"nellegent "i"ntellectuals "i"ndividuals. aka, HUMATES (not Humans, as JOKTANIAN, not PELEGIAN,Sporades (Wom) & Mavorites (Man)) Live on space-Ship Earth! aka S.S. GAIA, S.S. GEOID, S.S. TELLUSng Something instead!!
So please post ALL that you have sieved/selected & sensored! Not jus "i", but many many Bloggers!
NOTICE: "NEWS-WEEK" & WASHINGTON POST & CO, et al,;
IT is about your ten 'FACE's. not about our one honest Face's!
You will be sued , in 'Class' like, in Federal Court very very Soon!
not just "i" , but to many you say,
"Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner"
"Your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner"
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December 16, 2007 12:06 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Morris:
"A more generous God would see that a person practiced the religion and lived up to the highest ideals of the culture they were born in. Such a person would be rewarded in the afterlife regardless of which God they chose."
How do you know what the supposed god or gods are like? Anything that really wants you to worship it isn't likely to smile on your worshipping something else.
And in any case, who needs fairy tales to live up to the "highest ideals" of the culture? What I would expect this ultra-generous god of yours to appreciate most is your appreciation for the one life you've been given, not a focus on the one or infinite number that might or might not occur next.
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October 26, 2007 4:48 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Marcus,
Thank you, as always, for a provocative but kindly message to open our eyes.
I have found it helpful, when afterlife issues come up, to consider the reverse problem. Where did we come from? Where was our soul *before* we came into this world? Most likely, the same place where we will be going. Did we have consciousness and memory? No, not that we know. When we came into the world, it is if we woke up. When we leave, I expect it will be as if we went to sleep.
Jesus said the Kingdom of God is at hand -- meaning right here and now, if we will see it. Not some place in the sky with clouds and pearly gates.
October 17, 2007 10:02 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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BTLOD -
From a Buddhist perspective, no creator is necessary because the universe is eternally existing - no beginning and no end. All sentient beings experience are changes, cycles and transitions.
There are no individual entities or self-existing phenomena, despite appearances and common-sense to the contrary - this is not in disagreement with some views of quantum mechanics - but for reasons of brevity can be ignored!
The intelligence part eg. pure awareness is self-existing and permeates the creation in it's entirety. This can be experienced directly, according to certain systems of esoteric practice found in Zen and Tantric Buddhism, as two examples. However, Buddhism like Christianity is outwardly a philisophy of living as well as one of self-discovery.
On the other hand, physicists do point to a beginning for the universe, and Stephen Hawking maintains that he and a co-worker did the math to prove the Big Bang truly occurred (beyond my 9th grade algebra I presume). But, according to inflation theory, what happens once can happen again, and again - ad infinitum, so then - what beginning??
In my view, it would be impossible to know a cosmic creator intelligence or even postulate such an intelligence - without being of the nature of that intelligence. In the end, I object to the dualism of Christianity (creator/creature dicotomy)...my perspective is that everything is ultimately of one nature and 'one taste'.
If this can be called God so be it!!
all the best -
October 16, 2007 7:04 AM | Report Offensive Comments
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Terry, call me a stodgy hick, but I really can't imagine the sort of consciousness you describe. In Miracles, C.S. Lewis ascribes these theories to a sub-personal conceptions of God, based on faulty analogies with impersonal things (ch 11), so if I'm being dense, I feel I'm in good company.
"We simply may not have evolved to a point of knowing or discovering what we want to know - human truth and understanding may be a bit pre-mature in the category of absolutes - and that's where religion freezes over from my point of view.
One thing we can't escape is the fact of our own consciousness, and how this singularity may be tied to the rest of the mystery."
That may be, I can't really refute that, but I can offer a reaon to reject it- at present there's no empirical evidence for such a cosmic consciousness. And without that evidence we are left with bare materialism. But consciousness isn't the sort of thing that can arise out of bare materialism - that seems to be absurd, so there must be a source of our consciousness transcendent to this universe, which would be God.
Other difficulties I have - if consciousness is a 'given' along with the material universe, why does it seep into such a 'concentrated' form in human beings, then disappears at death, and is not detectable anywhere else (except possibly some animals)? *Who* put that whole system into place? *Who* arranged it?
October 15, 2007 9:15 PM | Report Offensive Comments
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Lepidopteryx, that is a very astute question - I hope the answer won't put you off. The answer is that God regenerates the people he wishes to save, so that they desire Christ and salvation. He cures people who use the life God gave them to strike their Holy creator in the face by denouncing Him and living sinful lives.
He takes stubborn rebels intent on damning themselves and gives them new desires:
Ezekiel 11:19-20:
"19 And I will give them one heart,
and I will put a new spirit within you,
and I will take the stony heart out of their
flesh,
and will give them an heart of flesh.
20 That they may walk in my statutes
and keep mine ordinances
and do them:
and they shall be my people,
and I will be their God."
But God not only determines who will be saved, but how. He determines the means as well as the ends. This may seem counterintuitive, but, for example, it's how Israel was brought out in Egypt. They weren't immediately brought to the promised land, they had to escape from Pharaoh, cross the Red Sea, etc.
Likewise, God regenerates people through the preaching or reading of the Word. His sheep hear the Word, they are convicted in their own hearts by their sins, they repent and put their faith in the Lord who bought them. But throughout all of that, it is God working in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. If you put your faith in him, he will save you to the uttermost:
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." (John 6:44).
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." (John 10:27-28).
If you are regenerate, you will no more be able to resist God than the Prodigal Son was able to stay at the swine trough after his eyes were opened (Luke 15:4-32). You will answer like Peter in John 6:68. When Christ asked him, "Will ye also go away?", he responded, "To whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life."
October 15, 2007 8:36 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 20:36
Anon:
**Left to ourselves, we are incapable of doing anything pleasing to God, or desiring God in any way(Rom 3:10-11,23 Rom 8:7).**
So if man is not capable of desiring God of his own accord, but must ask Jesus into his heart in order to be "saved", isn't that a bit of a contradiction? After all, if man isn't capable of desiring God, why WOULD he ask Jesus into his heart? You don't (or at least I don't) genreally go about asking for things you don't want.
October 15, 2007 3:59 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 15:59
BTLOD -
My own feeling is that theistic religions
have simply tried to explain the unexplainable with an anthropic or anthropomorphic paradigm - the universe is, because man is. In a sense, this was logical at the time - but was not exclusively the case with all ancient religions (eg. the non-Abrahamic schools).
Pythagorian & Buddhist thought, as examples, do not employ this type of cosmology, but certainly do leave a place for transpersonal (cosmic) consciousness as the essence of reality. This could be described as intelligence, but not in an ordinary sense. In like manner, it could also be argued that Ain Sof (Great Unmanifest)as the ultimate cosmic principle of the Kaballah is similarly transpersonal in nature. Hinduism, even with it's great pantheon of gods, recognized Brahman as the transpersonal ultimate (and in fact the one and only 'true' reality - all else is Brahman in disguise).
The 'strong' anthropic view of seems specious now given the advances made in science, not to say that science has ultimate answers. Stephen Hawking along with other astro-physicists and mathematicians don't typically buy into it - on the other hand, quantum physics is a strange world indeed - and no telling where we'll be 50 -100 years from now.
We simply may not have evolved to a point of knowing or discovering what we want to know - human truth and understanding may be a bit pre-mature in the category of absolutes - and that's where religion freezes over from my point of view.
One thing we can't escape is the fact of our own consciousness, and how this singularity may be tied to the rest of the mystery.
October 15, 2007 1:52 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 13:52
Terry, that's a bit heady for me. But I actually have a small amount of sympathy for the hard view. If all initial configurations of the universe are equally probable, we can't say a life permitting universe is 'improbable' since it is no more improbable than any other configuration (even though most of those are life prohibiting). You know - it's improbable that Mr X in particular won the lottery, but it's not improbable that someone did.
I think William Dembski is closer to the mark proving ID, than William Lane Craig.
October 15, 2007 9:37 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 09:37
JDS, does it really seem to you that Borg is saying 'help thou my unbelief'?
You cannont equate the situation of a believer in a state of despair because he has been struck by tragedy (Mk 9:24 you reference), and Borg, who coldly calculatingly denies the plain teaching of scripture and actually proselytizes this POV.
If he had any 'commitment' or 'cared deeply' he'd honestly lay his cards on the table and admit he is no longer a Christian. He wouldn't try to argue that his doubting should be canonized as orthodoxy . The man in Mk 9:24 wasn't trying to do that.
I also find it interesting that Borg (a former Lutheran), Robert M Price (a former Baptist), and James McGreevey (a former Catholic) have all joined the Episcopal Church. It seems to be a sewer trap for ex Christians who still desire the comforts of Christianity while denying its truths.
October 15, 2007 9:26 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 09:26
To Mr. Hovey:
Maybe the commitment is in caring deeply enough to admit not knowing all the answers. I've heard it said that only a rock hard faith dares to doubt. Somewhere in the Bible it says something to the effect, "Lord, I believe. Help thou my unbelief."
October 15, 2007 8:36 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 15, 2007 08:36
Moses and Also Thomas Baum,
It appears you are suffering from a multiple personality disorder. Might want to see a "shrink".
October 13, 2007 11:35 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 13, 2007 23:35
The opening paragraph is contradictory and oxymoronic. To be a "committed Christian" and be an agnostic about the afterlife, by whatever meaning of agnosticism is chosen, is to not believe Christ and everything he taught. It is the same as saying we belief IN Christ, but we don't believe Christ. How committed is THAT?
October 13, 2007 10:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 13, 2007 22:46
TO CONCERNED THE CHRISTIAN NOW LIBERATED: I am not reincarnated, the Old Testament Moses said, "Someone like me will come", He did not say that he would be back. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
October 13, 2007 10:36 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 13, 2007 10:36
BTLOD - just an observation....it appears your view of the cosmos is of the 'hard' anthropic persuasion - also known as Intelligent Design.
Suggest reviewing the anthropic principle in Wikipedia to get a perspective on how physicists view this idea....the 'weak' view would be that intelligent life (not necessarily human) is built into the (self-generated) design of the universe, but without designating an architect.
In that sense, the universe is self-created and evolving intelligence is here to literally give shape to the phenomenal universe while intuiting purpose and meaning - that's our job.
This does not in any way impute or prove a stand-alone creator as apart from the creation.
There are of course other scientific views and cosmologies that consider the anthropic principle unproven & fraudulent, because it's a teleology (putting the cart before the horse).
October 12, 2007 7:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 12, 2007 07:09
The Reincarnated, "Visionair y" "Moses" Baum,
Thump, thump, thump!!!!!!
October 12, 2007 3:57 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 12, 2007 03:57
BTLod,
How wrong you are. McLaren cites many, many scholars who hold this view in his books, including Dallas Willard. Furthermore, entire branches of Christianity (e.g. Eastern Orthodox) have a different view of the afterlife. As I understand it, the Orthodox view is that those who love God will enjoy God's intimate presence in the afterlife, whereas those who worship idols (such as money) over God will feel discomfort being so close to God in the afterlife.
As far as church growth/loss, I am always amazed and stonished at how you fundamentalist pigs rejoice at declining mainline membership. First of all, the cause is mostly due to simple demographics. Perhaps you should be more concerned about the larger trend that those who self-identify as Christians is decreasing at 1% per year according to more than one study. In the recent study by the Barna Group, 40% of those 16-29 age range say they are not Christian. (See the book UnChristian). Their study also showed that the perception of Christians by non-Christians, and even many Christians is highly negative due to perceived self-righteousness, judgmentalism, hypocracy, and political connectedness. In other words, the negative perception and the general erosion of the faith are due to you fundamentalist pigs.
October 12, 2007 12:09 AM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 12, 2007 00:09
"alwaysastudent:
Borg is the only person I've ever read who articulates one of the most troublesome aspects of the concept of "family reunion in heaven."
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And this is supposed to be heaven?"
AAS, read Matthew 22:23-30 and note the punchline in Matthew 22:30. Our relations with others will be different and our natures themselves will be different in heaven. Why is this such a stumbling block for you? Haven't even your earthly relationships with your family members changed over time? Then why can't you believe this to be true after our incomprehensible and glorious translation into the heavenly state. Please, snap out of it for goodness sake!
October 11, 2007 11:09 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 11, 2007 23:09
Neal, we can have great confidence in the clarity of the word. It's only very rarely that a disputed word has *any* bearing whatsoever on doctrine (such as authenteo in 1 Ti 2:12 domineer vs. 'exercise authority' and even in that case, there are clear passages elsewhere about gender roles), and I disagree with your example. There are 2 separate words "lachanon = garden plant" and dendron "= tree" being used. Mt uses both, Mark uses garden plant (or herb in the KJV) and Luke uses tree. Note further that in using the two terms, Jesus is not contradicting himself- the mustard plant is the largest garden plant, as well as a tree (which back then would simply have denoted a large plant).
Christianity isn't silly Mormon science fiction. *They* might actually think if they could locate the planet Kolob in a telescope, they'd see Joseph Smith and Moroni smiling and waving at them through the other end.
The Bible says the heavens and earth shall pass away, and there shall be a new heaven and a new earth (2 Pe 3:10-13). Jesus has gone to prepare this place for us (John 14:3). But we do not know if this is done outside the universe, or at some point within it (Peter was not speaking in our current cosmological categories, so we do not know how these apply to the term 'heavens'). But the essential point is *that* he is doing this, not *how*. You're like a man bleeding to death who wants to know all the mechanisms involved in blood circulation, before you'll let the doctor apply a tourniquet to save you.
October 11, 2007 10:46 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 11, 2007 22:46
frank burns:
"In the absence of meaning they play a litle logical trick -- like when once to explain what held up the earth some cosmologies said it was on the back of a turtle. They push the question of meaning "one step back" but without really answering it. What then, is God's meaning, what is our meaning in heaven?" The truth is, if you cannot find meaning in 70 years, you will hnot find it in 700, 70,000 or 700 billion. And, if you can find meaning in 70, then the amount of that meaning is entirely sufficient."
Interesting objection you bring up, but here's the problem with that. You are right that you can perceive meaning apart from religion, as you can watch television apart from understanding (or even being aware of) electricity. But that doesn't mean electricity isn't necessary to the working of the television.
The universe is such that by its nature, it could never give life whatever meaning you percieve. Therefore there must be something transcendant and personal from which that meaning comes, and that is God.
I assume the meaning you were talking about would be something like love or aesthetics, but there are other types of meanings where the connection to God and eternity are more concrete. Morality, for example. What would it take for our moral intuitions to "mean" something, as opposed to their being mere evolutionary brain-gas (as Doug Wilson puts it).
First, people who do evil must be judged. If they can simply live a life of evil and then escape by death, why should they be moral? If a whole society could find a workable way to do this, why should they not?
Then the judge must be righteous, not subject to bribes or else the judgment is not valid. He must be powerful enough to exact punishment on the condemned. In fact we very much get a picture of postmortem judgment by the Christian God.
October 11, 2007 10:00 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 11, 2007 22:00
always a great POV, marcus. "i do not know" is it so hard for people to say those words? is there no room for mystery in our lives?
www.jesusisnowhere.com
October 11, 2007 7:44 PM | Report Offensive Comments
Posted on October 11, 2007 19:44
TO DG AND THE REST OF HUMANITY: You made some comments about hell and I would like to make some comments not only about hell but spiritual death, it really doesn't matter if anyone believes me but I have experienced both. Some people seem to think that there is a hell and it is where either God or satan sends them, actually hell is built by the person that goes there. Jesus, Himself, went to hell and I do mean the uttermost depths, considering that He took upon Himself the sin and the sins of all of humanity by His choice, He was not forced to do it, He did it out of Love, that is why He chose to become a human being. Also hell is not seperation from God, that is spiritual death, hell is going to God and the consuming fire of Pure Love, instead of being so wonderful beyond words, burns you instead that is why God is trying so hard to get thru to people but right now with free will, He cannot force people to repent. Repenting means being sorry for whatever wrong that anyone does and we all do wrong. We are all God's children and God's brothers and sisters no matter what some "christians" say, page one, "Let us make man in Our Image". We sure seem to be quite an unruly family, don't we? Some people sure would get a totally wrong picture of God from what some of the people that call themselves "christian" present Him to be. God is not the egomaniac that some people think, knowing His Name is not some kind of magic and if you say His Name then it doesn't matter what you do, this is patently absurd. It does matter what you do and why you do it and what you know contrary to what some people say. We have free will and we are resposible for what we do and we will all be judged, it is kind of like asking to be cleaned or being cleaned later, nobody gets away with anything, Thank God that God's Plan is for all of His children, it is sad that a lot of "christians" get really upset about God's inclusivity, I personally am very thankful for God's Plan. Only God knows all of the details since He is God but I am here to declare in advance that God wins, satan loses, a tie is unacceptable. God always sends someone doesn't He? I say that because I have been chosen by God to be the New Testament Moses but if you, and by you I mean everyone, look in the bible it says it all over the place. For those that say that they believe in the bible instead of trying to shove it down other people's throats maybe they should at least attempt to live it. The Divine Commission given to us by Jesus, "PROCLAIM THE GOOD NEWS", and if we look at the angel's announcement of Jesus's birth, "This is Good News for all people" and "Peace to whom God'